Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[Jackofhearts2005]

Gimmie a better project.

112

Always just mafia in every game unless I’m mafia, in which case they’re decent bait if you can get it.

huh, lots of very light takes on 112 all around I'm noticing.

Interesting...

From me or from losts of people?

My legit read of 112 is “I didn’t read 112 because idk how to read 112 without a specchat warrior Nutella providing me with a case. I don’t know how to read 112 because I’ve never tried to read them when they were town iirc.”

The joke version of this “read” is “lol chopping 112 always works out in my favor so whatever.”

[Made]

A lot of people. the only players with strong reads on 112 think they're scum

[nutella]

@TonyStarkPrime is your role like a poisoner?

[Justplayingitcool]

A lot of people. the only players with strong reads on 112 think they're scum

Nutella townread 112 earlier in the phase. Dunno if that’s still the case

[nutella]

i dont really have a strong read on 112 either way

i think i had some reason to think she looked good off cat spew but nothing decisive

[Jackofhearts2005]

Actually, for real? Let's do a cat alliance. It can be similar to the X Cult from MU Champs S6W1. We just need to figure out how to subtly signal each other our PR roles and what not.

Triggered

[Made]

(colored using Hyena's key)

Group 1

TurnipHead/ted
Long Con
Made
Hyena
Timsup2nothin
Sloonei
Syn
Thunal33
DrWilgy
sig/dya

Group 2

falcon45ca
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Master Radishes
112
MacDougall
Alison

Group 3

Cat
tutuu
Kylemii
TonyStarkPrime
Michelle
JackofHearts2005

@MacDougall I vote group 1.

I do think tutuu's scum this game, so I don't want to give her immunity.

My guess is there are more teammates in groups 2 and 3 than in group 1.

Group 2 also looks very similar to my bucket. Group 1 looks very town actually.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Actually, for real? Let's do a cat alliance. It can be similar to the X Cult from MU Champs S6W1. We just need to figure out how to subtly signal each other our PR roles and what not.

And I'll be the secret leader like I was for the X Cult.

Actually, I'm willing to extend it to all animals, just so we can include Nutella and Tutuu. We can call our cult "The Animal Kingdom"!

"ExTeNd IT tO aLl AnImAlS jUsT sO wE cAn InClUdE tUtUu"



bitch look at my cat ears and my cat tail, tf u think i am

who u calling non-cat, look at your dog looking ass



hyena the type of dude to get high on catnip and go bark at the mailman

and then he calls me non-cat. man get tf outta here Balto

Animal wolfteam go brrrrr

[Jackofhearts2005]

Why did Mac put me and Michelle and Kyle in that group with wolves?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Calling Hyena "Balto" is pretty fucking funny, tho.

[falcon45ca]

tutuu chop better than falcon chop

tutuu's town, falcon feels baity

Interesting progression here in a matter of minutes

[Jackofhearts2005]

nutella is wolfin'

Do you have an explanation for this? Why is this your only read and who did you steal it from?
If you had no reads at all it would be very towny but this sticks out as a sore thumb.

[VOTE: cat] aubergine

i have to reach but there are 0 scummy posts posted itt fmpov so im aiming at this

perhaps cat could be scum for pre-emptively explaining "If you had no reads at all it would be very towny but this sticks out as a sore thumb." to his scumread syn

perhaps, if one was town, its more likely that they wouldnt pre-emptively "reveal their hand" like this to a scumread of theirs

tutuu
MacDougall
nutella
Michelle
Sloonei
Syn

Made
Timsup2nothin
112
cat
Thunal33
MartinGG99

Marmot
falcon45ca
Dyslexicon
JackofHearts2005
DrWilgy
JustPlayingitcool
Long Con
Master Radishes
sig
TurnipHead
TonyStarkPrime

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Hyena
Kylemii

Alison

The first post is fine if not for the fact that the next time Tutuu mentioned Cat, it was to put them as a townlean on their ranbow.

[Jackofhearts2005]

dont ask for explanations pls too busy i swear i got like a lot important stuff to do i swear i got no time, too busy

tutuu
MacDougall
Michelle
nutella
Sloonei
Syn
JustPlayingitcool
Dyslexicon
Timsup2nothin
dyachei

Marmot
DrWilgy
Thunal33
cat
112

Alison
TurnipHead

JackofHearts2005
Made
MartinGG99
TonyStarkPrime
Long Con
Master Radishes
Hyena
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
falcon45ca
Kylemii

[Jackofhearts2005]

i saw some towny stuff and some scummy stuff im at null

What was towny and what was scummy?

towny sass and humor

scummy logical post scumreading syn by pointing out one game content post of syn stick out like a sore thumb

Where was the sass and humour?

like cmon its there u read his iso right. calling something npc conversation. telling sloonei "and yet u have 150 posts"

Id like quotes. "Sass and humour" isn't alignment indicative most of the time and you're using cat's to diminish their iso down to a null read so I need to believe you believe this.

i dont need to put that much effort, i told you what i townread, his iso isnt that long, you can check for yourself

And now cat is at null for raisens.

I pretty much hate Tutuu's progression on Cat as a whole. The read is all over the place and generally vague.

[Jackofhearts2005]

You will be first against the wall when Cat flips Mafia.

you literally /never/ do this if you know cat is going to flip mafia. never.

Also yuck.

I misread this post when I called it yuck.

I thought Tony was saying "Mac has TMI that Cat is a wolf."

He's saying "Tutuu wouldn't treat Cat like this if Tutuu was a wolf."

I 10000% disagree but it's not a post that makes me suspect TSP upon reading it correctly.

[Made]

Cat, have you paid attention to people voting you? Who do you think could be the scum jumping on your train?

(If you're town and you end up going over, it'd be good to have your perspective noted.)

No i haven't, i've made walls consistantly and the post i left off at was Dyslexicon snapping back at someone. (I forgot who ) From what i can tell the people voting me didn't like my response to MacDougall so i can't say anyone is wolfy. I don't get pinged when i'm voted so i don't know the context.
On the wagon i have a slight scumread on Nutella, and townread on tutuu. Everyone else is either a mixed bag or i have pretty much no opinion on. Like i said the most important people are the people off wagon or dancing around suspiciously and that is where town usually ignores since they are too focused on "wow, voting townie, there must be scum there".

was checking cat's iso for mentions of tutuu and I found this.

This is super w/w

[Jackofhearts2005]

Tutuu's Cat progression continues to be horrendous. I urge anyone to check it out for themselves. I've never seen a player flip their read on another player so many times with so little explanation. It's borderline twtbaw.

[Made]

Anyone know the last games where marmot and cat were bad?

[Justplayingitcool]

Cat, have you paid attention to people voting you? Who do you think could be the scum jumping on your train?

(If you're town and you end up going over, it'd be good to have your perspective noted.)

No i haven't, i've made walls consistantly and the post i left off at was Dyslexicon snapping back at someone. (I forgot who ) From what i can tell the people voting me didn't like my response to MacDougall so i can't say anyone is wolfy. I don't get pinged when i'm voted so i don't know the context.
On the wagon i have a slight scumread on Nutella, and townread on tutuu. Everyone else is either a mixed bag or i have pretty much no opinion on. Like i said the most important people are the people off wagon or dancing around suspiciously and that is where town usually ignores since they are too focused on "wow, voting townie, there must be scum there".

was checking cat's iso for mentions of tutuu and I found this.

This is super w/w

Referring to radish or tutuu?

[Made]

Cat, have you paid attention to people voting you? Who do you think could be the scum jumping on your train?

(If you're town and you end up going over, it'd be good to have your perspective noted.)

No i haven't, i've made walls consistantly and the post i left off at was Dyslexicon snapping back at someone. (I forgot who ) From what i can tell the people voting me didn't like my response to MacDougall so i can't say anyone is wolfy. I don't get pinged when i'm voted so i don't know the context.
On the wagon i have a slight scumread on Nutella, and townread on tutuu. Everyone else is either a mixed bag or i have pretty much no opinion on. Like i said the most important people are the people off wagon or dancing around suspiciously and that is where town usually ignores since they are too focused on "wow, voting townie, there must be scum there".

was checking cat's iso for mentions of tutuu and I found this.

This is super w/w

Referring to radish or tutuu?

Radishes, but can't rule out tutuu, especially re: what Jack is dropping

[Justplayingitcool]

Cat, have you paid attention to people voting you? Who do you think could be the scum jumping on your train?

(If you're town and you end up going over, it'd be good to have your perspective noted.)

No i haven't, i've made walls consistantly and the post i left off at was Dyslexicon snapping back at someone. (I forgot who ) From what i can tell the people voting me didn't like my response to MacDougall so i can't say anyone is wolfy. I don't get pinged when i'm voted so i don't know the context.
On the wagon i have a slight scumread on Nutella, and townread on tutuu. Everyone else is either a mixed bag or i have pretty much no opinion on. Like i said the most important people are the people off wagon or dancing around suspiciously and that is where town usually ignores since they are too focused on "wow, voting townie, there must be scum there".

was checking cat's iso for mentions of tutuu and I found this.

This is super w/w

Referring to radish or tutuu?

Radishes, but can't rule out tutuu, especially re: what Jack is dropping

Meh, I don’t think that interaction is particularly scummy

[Jackofhearts2005]

My suspects right now: Cat, Falcon, MR
People I don't feel great about but don't suspect as strongly as the above three: 112, Dya, Hyena

[VOTE: cat] aubergine

There can be only one.

Cat is looking a bit better. It feels like he's bound by what he believes in when he's defending himself. I feel like he'd be all over me if he was mafia because I'm the most likely yeet option that isn't him.

Do you have any thoughts on any of the people who are voting for you?

Here to wait for my death. Not to solve me, atleast judging from the last few pages. You will wait for D2 and then blame it on inactivity or something. A bunch of people prodding at others to avoid backlash later probably. It took one post to look at Thunal/dyachei interaction that dyachei is completely ignoring Thunal right now to push them . Nutella is being helpful and actually doing stuff. I'm not sure why you are trying to counterwagon right now when i'm the top wagon.

Please name names.
Also is that an accusation directed against dya? Why? I do not know what you are referring to.

Pretty much everyone around is guilty. The people who openly don't give a shit are the towniest right now. Kylemii and Syn from what i can tell.
Inbetween me arriving and making my second post. I don't know the full context, but Thunal writes a defense, and Dyachei skips half of it and focuses on the emotional content. I don't know if Thunal is actually suspicious but it makes thunal look towny from an outsider's perspective.

This is interesting. I actually think not caring about solving is >rand scum because scum doesn't have the same motivation to solve for the other scum as town does to solve for scum. I feel like it would make sense from town!Cat who doesn't care to think the opposite since he's not caring a lot. I'm skimming Cat's ISO right now and it feels different from both the town ISOs and the scum ISO in his previous games. He's putting in more effort than he did in any of those games.

Both Cat and Falcon have a somewhat apathetic response to them being wagons. I like Cat's reaction a bit better than Falcon's because Cat is at least trying a little to give a legacy.

I accidentally chopped off a post where Thunal expressed suspicion of Cat just before these posts.

I think this progression looks townie. Particularly, from a perspective where (and I didn't validate this) Thunal is at risk of being chopped as a cw to Cat.

Like the temptation when you and a partner are both in hot water is to distance. Bus hard or defend in a way that looks like you don't have tmi. It's not to hedge because then when one of you goes down, the other looks bad. Therefore, a wolf tends to not hedge in this scenario and Thunal is hedging. More to the point, it's not a blind hedge, it's a thought out progression. Like the hedge is "Cat isn't in their town or wolf meta" which presumably is just a statement of fact. (I'm not getting into facts vs opinions. You know what I mean, here.)

[Timsup2nothin]

ScumBucket:

MasterRadishes
Falcon
112
Hyena
Nanook
HK
Syn
Tim

Bucket updated.

Why is TSP not in that bucket?

do you have a bone to pick

Jack has barely looked at the game and sees you as wolfy. I've said before that you make these appearances where you

obviously

just

pad

your

postcount.

Not only do you string out like five posts for whatever you have to say, when they get put together most of the time they still don't say anything.

I think you might be a very good prospect for my friend Made to get a pelt and save himself.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yeah, it's super obnoxious when people do that.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Pad their postcount I mean.

[nutella]

Anyone know the last games where marmot and cat were bad?

marmot - shadow corridors, making friends and enemies, overtime
cat - 8ball

[Jackofhearts2005]

I do townread Made, though. He looks exactly like the town Made I've seen in a few games. Just exudes genuineness. Perhaps that's naive but that's my read.

[Hyena]

I think MR and 112 always contains at least one wolf.

I think I more consistently townread 112 throughout the game, but I think MR has surpassed 112 in towny-ness, at least to the point where I probably should re-evaluate 112 at some point!

[Jackofhearts2005]

Super dee duper readlist in color because I'm on my shiny new Warhammer fast loading but doesn't have enough storage space lappy.

Michelle (shiny)
Wilgy (volume/interactions with Cat/Marmot)

Hyena (power read lol)
Thunal (Cat progression)
Made (shiny)
Nutella (stupid gut read)
Tim (idk feels a tad opportunistic and not helpful)
Tony (bad Cat progression)
Tutuu (super bad Cat progression)

I feel like I'm supposed to have more reads and that's spotting myself an unearned Nutella read.

[Jackofhearts2005]

lol I left the hole when I moved Made down

[Timsup2nothin]

Not helpful?

How dare you?

[Long Con]

Not helpful?

How dare you?

[Syn]

Super dee duper readlist in color because I'm on my shiny new Warhammer fast loading but doesn't have enough storage space lappy.

Michelle (shiny)
Wilgy (volume/interactions with Cat/Marmot)

Hyena (power read lol)
Thunal (Cat progression)
Made (shiny)
Nutella (stupid gut read)
Tim (idk feels a tad opportunistic and not helpful)
Tony (bad Cat progression)
Tutuu (super bad Cat progression)

I feel like I'm supposed to have more reads and that's spotting myself an unearned Nutella read.

i like this guy

[Hyena]

WAIT!!!

ANYWAY

It looks like my towncore right now is Nutella, Tutuu, Kylemii, and Thunal? Sloonei, Mac, and Syn are NOT in based on reading this page.

You shouldn't be townreading me. Why are you?

yeah that's a big flag

most of Hyena's posts have been NAI with one that I thought was towny

it's....not a "big flag"....he said he was towncoring animal people and thunal is cat.....

didja just get baited

lol, Nutella saw it, too
Exposed, 112. Exposed.

I totally forgot that this had happened. This could actually have been a thing, even if I think I changed my mind about it later. I forgot why I started townreading 112.

[Made]

[VOTE: cat] aubergine

way better choice than falcon

112 third vote on Cat, no real reason given. If I looked sus for voting cat and leaving thread 112 looks WAAAAYYY worse.

[Hyena]

Also, @Jackofhearts2005 , stop hating on the animal kingdom. <3

[Made]

[VOTE: cat] aubergine

way better choice than falcon

On what grounds?

Just for the record.

if 112 is mafia, Tim is cleared town basically

[Made]

[VOTE: cat] aubergine

way better choice than falcon

On what grounds?

Just for the record.

they're both playing the same superficial, low-content game but falcon's more willing to get into the dirt/nitty-gritty of the game

and i have experience with falcon and am inclined to think he's town, whereas with cat i don't have meta

what the fuck is this read???

[Hyena]

For further clarification of why I thought this was scummy:

ANYWAY

It looks like my towncore right now is Nutella, Tutuu, Kylemii, and Thunal? Sloonei, Mac, and Syn are NOT in based on reading this page.

You shouldn't be townreading me. Why are you?

yeah that's a big flag

most of Hyena's posts have been NAI with one that I thought was towny

lol, 112 is scum

To clarify why, 112 slipped that she hasn't read "most" of my posts.

pretty sure i've read all of them

Tell me why it's a big flag to you then. Why is it a big flag that I'm towncoring people because they're animals?

[Made]

dizzy blatant town lock town innocent child

I'm confirmed town now @112

What do you say to that?

@112 Are you not worried about me anymore? Am I not obvwolfing and stuff? Did you ever resolve anything with me?

I don't think I ever recanted my scum read?

I don't think I ever recanted my scum read?

No, you didn't say anything. Lot of people called me town and asked you to explain yourself more. You didn't really do that. Just left your vote in silence. That's why I'm asking. I find that suspect, you see.

one wolf between Dizzy and 112 imo

[Hyena]

I do have one lock mafia tho. nanook is lock mafia here.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME how dare you rand mafia without me.

Yeah checked the ISO. 95% mafia is Nook. Trust that read. Trust it.

mac obviously isnt trying to be taken seriously here @Sloonei

Mac is trying to impersonate me, but he doesn't understand that I usually have REASONS why I call people mafia early game.

I see you had a not-towncore of Mac, Syn, and 112 at this point. What were those reasons?

They aren't animals! Those that are towncore are animals!

Marmot didn't get that I was towncoring all the animals either. Did the mafia just not realize what I was doing and try to push me without realizing my towncore was mostly me joking around?

[Hyena]

dizzy blatant town lock town innocent child

I'm confirmed town now @112

What do you say to that?

@112 Are you not worried about me anymore? Am I not obvwolfing and stuff? Did you ever resolve anything with me?

I don't think I ever recanted my scum read?

I don't think I ever recanted my scum read?

No, you didn't say anything. Lot of people called me town and asked you to explain yourself more. You didn't really do that. Just left your vote in silence. That's why I'm asking. I find that suspect, you see.

one wolf between Dizzy and 112 imo

Okay, so, I actually did see something interesting involving Dizzy, 112, and the D1 wagons which could influence things. Lemme see if I can pull it up again.

[Kylemii]

I have reason to believe that falcon is town, I think, and tutuu is also probably town.

Like...a reason compelling enough I should switch? What’s your thoughts on the game at large, Kyle?

I think so. In my opinion at least. Will give my thoughts on game at large when I am no longer at work.

I have reason to believe that falcon is town, I think, and tutuu is also probably town.

How confident are you on your reason?

like 70%. I can explain later. It's unlikely that falcon is mafia.

this better be good

well to summarize it, because of some tangential and non-repeatable role shenanigans, LC and Falcon are probably of the same alignment.

I would prefer not to go into the exact mechanics but there are two caveats:
1. if i was roleblocked this is meaningless
2. if either of LC or Falcon is an indie role than this is also meaningless.

[Kylemii]

also they could just both be mafia but probably not

[Hyena]

@Made Okay, so it was actually D2 wagons, not D1 wagons, buuuut...

112(2): TSP, Kyle
Dizzy(2): 112, Falcon

These were two of the wagons from EoD2 after deciding to townread 112 and scumread Dizzy. Coincidentally, both of the people who were voting Dizzy are/were townreads of mine, though one of them is 112. On the other hand, the people who were voting 112 were either scumreads (TSP) or null for me (Kyle). If 112 actually is scum, then that would probably convince me to reevaluate Dizzy, because he could be town then. It would also lead me to to consider reevaluating TSP, too.

[Made]

starting to think the cat vote is too easy

Shouldn't vote me to begin with if you think it's too easy. ...Keep an eye on 112 and whoever else is bringing that up.

Not teamed imo

why can't it be w/w?

eeeekkk

[Sloonei]

I do not have the mental stamina to ISO Marmot tonight. I might get the ball rolling on it later.

Where is the thread currently at RE: hollowkatt?

[Hyena]

Okay, so I didn't find any explanation of why I started townreading 112, but apparently,

nanook's not happening right now

[VOTE: dizzy] aubergine

Here it is. So.

1. Nanook isn't happening, but I am? How? Cause I'm pretty sure I'm not.
2. You don't know me. SNAPSNAPSNAP
3. What was this "scummy" you saw in my posts?
4. You don't know me. SNAP

1. Maybe not but it's worth a shot. #SickRhymes
2. lolcatting
3. I've already said it's mostly down to tone, but I also think you're forcing jokes too much and trying to be go-with-the-flowish but it's fabricated, almost like you're some sort of simulacrum.
4. This is what I'm talking about.

Whenever I see someone claim that they're not happening, I feel obligated to vote for them. Thus, I'll help out. <3
[VOTE: Dizzy] aubergine

I trusted my townread on 112 enough to vote for Dizzy. Granted, it looks like I concluded shortly after that I thought Dizzy was towny:

As far as faking reads being NAI, I disagree with that since town has no incentive to fake reads, but mafia still does because they have to fake reads on their partners and they might strategically tweak some of their reads to fit their agenda. I think if someone fakes a read that person is likely mafia, but faking reads is less common than in other mafia games.

I fake reads as town all the time.

Also: Thunal is mafia.

Okay, I actually remember seeing this post and feeling better after getting annoyed about people not understanding my playstyle. I dunno if Thunal is mafia anymore though after the comparisons to Alison. I think I have to reset my read on Thunal after that.

[Made]

@Made Okay, so it was actually D2 wagons, not D1 wagons, buuuut...

112(2): TSP, Kyle
Dizzy(2): 112, Falcon

These were two of the wagons from EoD2 after deciding to townread 112 and scumread Dizzy. Coincidentally, both of the people who were voting Dizzy are/were townreads of mine, though one of them is 112. On the other hand, the people who were voting 112 were either scumreads (TSP) or null for me (Kyle). If 112 actually is scum, then that would probably convince me to reevaluate Dizzy, because he could be town then. It would also lead me to to consider reevaluating TSP, too.

Spoiler: show

dizzy blatant town lock town innocent child

I'm confirmed town now @112

What do you say to that?

@112 Are you not worried about me anymore? Am I not obvwolfing and stuff? Did you ever resolve anything with me?

I don't think I ever recanted my scum read?

I don't think I ever recanted my scum read?

No, you didn't say anything. Lot of people called me town and asked you to explain yourself more. You didn't really do that. Just left your vote in silence. That's why I'm asking. I find that suspect, you see.

one wolf between Dizzy and 112 imo

I was going to post this seperately, but this seems relevant here. This is all from day 1 tho.

thought I'd go through and read of what happened when we voted to kill cat. I saw that I was the first voter there after mac, and I know I got some flack for that. At the time Mac hadn't given his reasoning on why he thought cat was bad. I did my research contemporaneously and pointed to some sour post in cat's iso, but 112 did not!!! 112 started by saying it was simply a better vote than falcon. I am currently of the opinion that falcon has been spewed green multiple times by cat, and marmot. Dizzy brings up how odd it was for 112 to switch her vote so rapidly instead of voting for dizzy instead, to which 112 responds *meh*. the interesting thing is 112 says she didn't want to vote dizzy because she expected the wagon not to take off. Which is a very odd take considering that falcon was more likely to be killed than cat when 112 switched her vote.

It's pretty suspicious that 112 voted so quick to chop cat. She did this saying she read cat's iso too. Has 112 claimed to read many isos this game? I'm pretty sure she said the opposite. In response to dizzy's comment 112 says that the difference between the two were marginal at best, and said that she didn't really have reason to stay on falcon when the cat wagon as an option...the problem is there was no cat wagon when 112 voted, it was 2 votes, 3 including hers. Further Mac had not yet given his argument of the case against cat. 112 argues that falcon and cat are fairly the same in iso, bland, low in content. 112 then says that she still suspects dizzy, but doesn't feel compelled to place a vote there because she doesn't think "the votes are there for it and I want to vote somewhere with impact". I think that 112 placed to vote as a potential bus, and couldn't remove herself from it before things went too far.

but yeah, those are me reads on 112, thank you for coming. don't for get to vote, comment, and subscribe if you are interested in content similar to this.

[Kylemii]

Hollow kart/Thunal claimed medium right