Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[Timsup2nothin]

made, i lvoe you

Yeah this is another reason I want him to be right so I don't have to shoot him.

[112]

tbh i think what clears me on the cat wagon isn't my immediate support of it but my really stupid move to jump off of it after i decided in my head it was wrong

[Kylemii]

made, i lvoe you

Yeah this is another reason I want him to be right so I don't have to shoot him.

you literally don't have to shoot him.

[112]

this is a travesty of justice

[Timsup2nothin]

tbh i think what clears me on the cat wagon isn't my immediate support of it but my really stupid move to jump off of it after i decided in my head it was wrong

Maybe, but I still see no reason for w!112 to just drop everything and jump on the bus because Mac says so.

[Timsup2nothin]

made, i lvoe you

Yeah this is another reason I want him to be right so I don't have to shoot him.

you literally don't have to shoot him.

I am a man of my word. I told him "produce pelt or die." I have my reputation to consider.

[Made]

Is Tim 3p here???????

lol...nope.

Just cuz I don't smooch my fellow townies to butter their bread doesn't mean I am not on the same side.

You’re playing like you need certain player to get chopped at certain times. Do you see what I think that?

Because you are a paranoid crazy with a wild narrative to conf bias against?

The first two days I think I exhibited absolutely no concern for WHO got chopped, much less when. For today I am concerned with chopping a wolf. To the point where holy crap I am actually reading ISOs. I never thought your case on 112 was compelling, and now I think it has a high chance of being outright wrong. So now I'm saying so.

Okay. So I know that I am neither paranoid nor crazy, though I see how you could see me that way

I only ask you give me that same courtesy and try to see why I might be confused by ur POV and we can leave it at that

[112]

Is Tim 3p here???????

lol...nope.

Just cuz I don't smooch my fellow townies to butter their bread doesn't mean I am not on the same side.

You’re playing like you need certain player to get chopped at certain times. Do you see what I think that?

Because you are a paranoid crazy with a wild narrative to conf bias against?

The first two days I think I exhibited absolutely no concern for WHO got chopped, much less when. For today I am concerned with chopping a wolf. To the point where holy crap I am actually reading ISOs. I never thought your case on 112 was compelling, and now I think it has a high chance of being outright wrong. So now I'm saying so.

Okay. So I know that I am neither paranoid nor crazy, though I see how you could see me that way

I only ask you give me that same courtesy and try to see why I might be confused by ur POV and we can leave it at that

Made wanting to be on good terms with Tim... pocket attempt?

[Made]

tbh i think what clears me on the cat wagon isn't my immediate support of it but my really stupid move to jump off of it after i decided in my head it was wrong

WAIT, YOU JUMPED???




Guise we got one

[Timsup2nothin]

Is Tim 3p here???????

lol...nope.

Just cuz I don't smooch my fellow townies to butter their bread doesn't mean I am not on the same side.

You’re playing like you need certain player to get chopped at certain times. Do you see what I think that?

Because you are a paranoid crazy with a wild narrative to conf bias against?

The first two days I think I exhibited absolutely no concern for WHO got chopped, much less when. For today I am concerned with chopping a wolf. To the point where holy crap I am actually reading ISOs. I never thought your case on 112 was compelling, and now I think it has a high chance of being outright wrong. So now I'm saying so.

Okay. So I know that I am neither paranoid nor crazy, though I see how you could see me that way

I only ask you give me that same courtesy and try to see why I might be confused by ur POV and we can leave it at that

Made, this is Mafia...everyone gets crazy paranoid ideas. Goes with the territory. But when we put "Tim is playing from an agenda based on controlling who dies when" up against "Tim gave absolutely no fucks until he suddenly got wagoned on a whim," which is an actual fact it just breaks down.

At any rate, I meant no offense.

[Timsup2nothin]

tbh i think what clears me on the cat wagon isn't my immediate support of it but my really stupid move to jump off of it after i decided in my head it was wrong

WAIT, YOU JUMPED???




Guise we got one

Because town never jumps off a wagon?

[Kylemii]

hmm ok

[Timsup2nothin]

Is Tim 3p here???????

lol...nope.

Just cuz I don't smooch my fellow townies to butter their bread doesn't mean I am not on the same side.

You’re playing like you need certain player to get chopped at certain times. Do you see what I think that?

Because you are a paranoid crazy with a wild narrative to conf bias against?

The first two days I think I exhibited absolutely no concern for WHO got chopped, much less when. For today I am concerned with chopping a wolf. To the point where holy crap I am actually reading ISOs. I never thought your case on 112 was compelling, and now I think it has a high chance of being outright wrong. So now I'm saying so.

Okay. So I know that I am neither paranoid nor crazy, though I see how you could see me that way

I only ask you give me that same courtesy and try to see why I might be confused by ur POV and we can leave it at that

Made wanting to be on good terms with Tim... pocket attempt?

Well, I have need talking about shooting him for the past 24 hours...I would expect him to be trying to improve terms.

[Kylemii]

Tim do you think Made is mafia? is there something beyond just the "produce results or i'll kill you strategy"?

[Made]

tbh i think what clears me on the cat wagon isn't my immediate support of it but my really stupid move to jump off of it after i decided in my head it was wrong

WAIT, YOU JUMPED???




Guise we got one

Because town never jumps off a wagon?

sorry friend, i'm not the one.
is ur N3 vig a shot to the temple or like a guillotine situation? I'd prefer both if we're able to arrange that

[Timsup2nothin]

Tim do you think Made is mafia? is there something beyond just the "produce results or i'll kill you strategy"?

I thought Mac made a good case against Made. I thought when Cat flipped Mafia that case looked even better by a large margin. Because of that I think it would be really dumb for town to take Made to the end game. I have immediate means to prevent that error...available for a limited time since I am outed. So made has a very limited time to prove that case wrong, and where I come from proof is measured in pelts, not posts.

[Timsup2nothin]

tbh i think what clears me on the cat wagon isn't my immediate support of it but my really stupid move to jump off of it after i decided in my head it was wrong

WAIT, YOU JUMPED???




Guise we got one

Because town never jumps off a wagon?

sorry friend, i'm not the one.
is ur N3 vig a shot to the temple or like a guillotine situation? I'd prefer both if we're able to arrange that

If you are confident you have a 112 wolf kill it won't be an issue. Just be right. If you are you can be absolutely sure I won't shoot you...promise.

[Made]

tbh i think what clears me on the cat wagon isn't my immediate support of it but my really stupid move to jump off of it after i decided in my head it was wrong

WAIT, YOU JUMPED???




Guise we got one

Because town never jumps off a wagon?

sorry friend, i'm not the one.
is ur N3 vig a shot to the temple or like a guillotine situation? I'd prefer both if we're able to arrange that

If you are confident you have a 112 wolf kill it won't be an issue. Just be right. If you are you can be absolutely sure I won't shoot you...promise.

no, i mean you can kill me, the sooner the better actually. I'm at peace.

[nutella]

made, i lvoe you

Yeah this is another reason I want him to be right so I don't have to shoot him.

fucking stop

if you shoot made i will never play with you again

shoot in the poe

[Kylemii]

Tim do you think Made is mafia? is there something beyond just the "produce results or i'll kill you strategy"?

I thought Mac made a good case against Made. I thought when Cat flipped Mafia that case looked even better by a large margin. Because of that I think it would be really dumb for town to take Made to the end game. I have immediate means to prevent that error...available for a limited time since I am outed. So made has a very limited time to prove that case wrong, and where I come from proof is measured in pelts, not posts.

but all of that stuff you just said is a direct result of your own actions, right? or did you get outed by someone else

[Timsup2nothin]

made, i lvoe you

Yeah this is another reason I want him to be right so I don't have to shoot him.

fucking stop

if you shoot made i will never play with you again

shoot in the poe

Save the AtE for when you aren't already clear town.

[Kylemii]

@Made ignoring tim, are you town and why?

[Timsup2nothin]

Tim do you think Made is mafia? is there something beyond just the "produce results or i'll kill you strategy"?

I thought Mac made a good case against Made. I thought when Cat flipped Mafia that case looked even better by a large margin. Because of that I think it would be really dumb for town to take Made to the end game. I have immediate means to prevent that error...available for a limited time since I am outed. So made has a very limited time to prove that case wrong, and where I come from proof is measured in pelts, not posts.

but all of that stuff you just said is a direct result of your own actions, right? or did you get outed by someone else

Sure...everything that happens to me, most games, is a result of my own actions...other than the rand.

[nutella]

made, i lvoe you

Yeah this is another reason I want him to be right so I don't have to shoot him.

fucking stop

if you shoot made i will never play with you again

shoot in the poe

Save the AtE for when you aren't already clear town.

maybe listen to your ~clear town~ when theyre telling you who acceptable shot targets are and are not

[112]

[Timsup2nothin]

@Made ignoring tim, are you town and why?

Is there a reason we aren't talking about 112 here? I mean, that is who you guys want to chop, right? If 112 is a wolf as you seem to believe then this whole conversation about whether I should or should not shoot Made is an entirely moot point.

[112]

[Timsup2nothin]

made, i lvoe you

Yeah this is another reason I want him to be right so I don't have to shoot him.

fucking stop

if you shoot made i will never play with you again

shoot in the poe

Save the AtE for when you aren't already clear town.

maybe listen to your ~clear town~ when theyre telling you who acceptable shot targets are and are not

Being town has no bearing whatever on the probability of you being right.

[Made]

@Made ignoring tim, are you town and why?

i am.....and uhhh i'm town because....if i weren't sloonei probably would of dunked one me by now? Unless sloonei is also mafia...

hmm...not sure tbh. I am tho, I promise

[Made]

so in high school, a bunch of friends were weirdly obsessed with what they called "early swans". Is this the swans the were talking about? If so are they really that good?

[nutella]

I'm pretty lost rn. Made what suspicious things did you do again?

So, I think I kinda want to do this right now:
[VOTE: Made] aubergine

I don't have any good reason for it outside of "hey, let's keep the numbers of the top three wagons close together, because that's always fun!"

This is a pretty good reason, and I recall Made being a good vote.

I don't recall the case on Martin, or have a clue on Nanook

Also, just so I can understand the logic going forward, why would a player vote their teammate and then ghost thread?

Iirc, your vote came at a time when cat was not in danger.

As for why you ghosted, I dunno. Why did you not return?

Okay wait. I was the one who convinced you not to vote Martin, Mac's top scum read. No?

Why follow me to change away from a Mac read, but not follow Mac when he changes his scum read on me?

Cuz this is mafia and we do weird stuff.

Did Mac rescind his scumread of you? I don't remember, or know why he would have. Can you point it out?

Tim be like

"Powertown found someone apparently compatible with flipped wolf, obv we just autoyeet it without having to do any additional evaluation on d2, ezclap"

If made turns out to be town that's scum motive out the boots house

This is a really good take.

But also, what if Made isn't town?

if you think made is town you should see the scum motive there on his wagon

Why do you tr Made?

The wagon exists because of associations with cat, or at least that's why I'm voting there. But yeah I don't feel great about it, Made does feel townie today.

@Timsup2nothin

if you can see how falcon may have been a scum-preferred push, you should see the case for made being one as well

just look at this progression

he leans on the association to cat, chills on a vote for made and sorta takes it for granted that there's reasoning, until later in the day when i start to push back and then he backs off and hedges that made might be town

it bothers me that you're so resistant to seeing this logic

i thought it was fairly clear, and you saw it for falcon

[nutella]

marmot entering after the hiatus all like "hurrr my vote was on made but i dont remember why but im sure theres a good case on him and hes a valid wagon we're totally onto something there"

thats not w/w lol

[Timsup2nothin]

I'm pretty lost rn. Made what suspicious things did you do again?

So, I think I kinda want to do this right now:
[VOTE: Made] aubergine

I don't have any good reason for it outside of "hey, let's keep the numbers of the top three wagons close together, because that's always fun!"

This is a pretty good reason, and I recall Made being a good vote.

I don't recall the case on Martin, or have a clue on Nanook

Also, just so I can understand the logic going forward, why would a player vote their teammate and then ghost thread?

Iirc, your vote came at a time when cat was not in danger.

As for why you ghosted, I dunno. Why did you not return?

Okay wait. I was the one who convinced you not to vote Martin, Mac's top scum read. No?

Why follow me to change away from a Mac read, but not follow Mac when he changes his scum read on me?

Cuz this is mafia and we do weird stuff.

Did Mac rescind his scumread of you? I don't remember, or know why he would have. Can you point it out?

Tim be like

"Powertown found someone apparently compatible with flipped wolf, obv we just autoyeet it without having to do any additional evaluation on d2, ezclap"

If made turns out to be town that's scum motive out the boots house

This is a really good take.

But also, what if Made isn't town?

if you think made is town you should see the scum motive there on his wagon

Why do you tr Made?

The wagon exists because of associations with cat, or at least that's why I'm voting there. But yeah I don't feel great about it, Made does feel townie today.

@Timsup2nothin

if you can see how falcon may have been a scum-preferred push, you should see the case for made being one as well

just look at this progression

he leans on the association to cat, chills on a vote for made and sorta takes it for granted that there's reasoning, until later in the day when i start to push back and then he backs off and hedges that made might be town

it bothers me that you're so resistant to seeing this logic

i thought it was fairly clear, and you saw it for falcon

Do you think 112 is a hit?

[nutella]

then after made points out that mac isn't even voting for him, marmot is all "oh shit is sheeping mac not a valid reason anymore" and gets all hesitant about it

[nutella]

i think there are some good points on 112, i wouldn't say it's a slam dunk

i think she and tsp are my two top preferred wagons at the moment

[nutella]

but i want you to recognize that there is a pretty clear case for made being spewed town here and even if he's wrong today you should not blast him

[Timsup2nothin]

Also, just so I can understand the logic going forward, why would a player vote their teammate and then ghost thread?

Iirc, your vote came at a time when cat was not in danger.

As for why you ghosted, I dunno. Why did you not return?

See, this post bothers me. Because Marmot puts right in the post a valid reason that it was safe for him to be distancing Made, if Made is a wolf.

[Kylemii]

@Made ignoring tim, are you town and why?

Is there a reason we aren't talking about 112 here? I mean, that is who you guys want to chop, right? If 112 is a wolf as you seem to believe then this whole conversation about whether I should or should not shoot Made is an entirely moot point.

there is no real correlation between those two things, and it's important to talk about multiple people.

this discussion interrupted 112 discussion, that doesn't mean it's not still happening.

[Timsup2nothin]

@Made ignoring tim, are you town and why?

Is there a reason we aren't talking about 112 here? I mean, that is who you guys want to chop, right? If 112 is a wolf as you seem to believe then this whole conversation about whether I should or should not shoot Made is an entirely moot point.

there is no real correlation between those two things, and it's important to talk about multiple people.

this discussion interrupted 112 discussion, that doesn't mean it's not still happening.

Okay. I'm kinda outta time though so I'll have to check the conclusion later. I think the 112 case is not great. But I have zero influence with Nutella, so it really comes down to whether the rest of you want to hang in there on the 112 case. See ya tomorrow.

[Kylemii]

can someone please crack my back pls ill beg for it

don't do it you'll release the acid

when i read this the first time i thought it was a joke about cracking glowsticks like as if tutuu had a spine made of glowsticks

i just wanted to share

[Justplayingitcool]

[VOTE: cat] aubergine

way better choice than falcon

112 third vote on Cat, no real reason given. If I looked sus for voting cat and leaving thread 112 looks WAAAAYYY worse.

[VOTE: cat] aubergine

way better choice than falcon

On what grounds?

Just for the record.

they're both playing the same superficial, low-content game but falcon's more willing to get into the dirt/nitty-gritty of the game

and i have experience with falcon and am inclined to think he's town, whereas with cat i don't have meta

what the fuck is this read???

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


[VOTE: 112] aubergine

[VOTE: 112] aubergine

[Kylemii]

112 was the 6th vote on cat, thunal had 4 votes at the time..... i think.

stays on for a while. vote gets to about 10 and then 112 drops off, stating nerves....

112's dropping off of the catwagon is probably the best argument for town112

then moves vote around a little between people who aren't necessarily likely to produce counterwagons.

'smart' move for mafia 112 would have been to just stick on cat and get the credit.

potential for wifom is there. others should review as well

[Kylemii]

@Made ignoring tim, are you town and why?

Is there a reason we aren't talking about 112 here? I mean, that is who you guys want to chop, right? If 112 is a wolf as you seem to believe then this whole conversation about whether I should or should not shoot Made is an entirely moot point.

there is no real correlation between those two things, and it's important to talk about multiple people.

this discussion interrupted 112 discussion, that doesn't mean it's not still happening.

Okay. I'm kinda outta time though so I'll have to check the conclusion later. I think the 112 case is not great. But I have zero influence with Nutella, so it really comes down to whether the rest of you want to hang in there on the 112 case. See ya tomorrow.

excited to see what cases you come up with when you get back, goodnight friendo

[Kylemii]

eod is.... 3pm pst right?

[112]

chopping 112 = 0% chance of hitting mafia

chopping someone else = some% chance of hitting mafia

i think the choice is obvious

[Michelle]

Morning

Spoiler: show

Who should get off the phone?
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option


112
6
21%
Voters: Made, nutella, Kylemii, tutuu, Justplayingitcool, Hyena
Alison
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
2
7%
Voters: Dyslexicon, Syn
Dyslexicon
0
No votes
Voters: None
falcon45ca
5
18%
Voters: MartinGG99, Master Radishes, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, tedxtr, 112
Hyena
0
No votes
Voters: None
JackofHearts2005
0
No votes
Voters: None
JustPlayingitcool
0
No votes
Voters: None
Kylemii
0
No votes
Voters: None
Long Con
1
4%
Voters: TonyStarkPrime
Made
0
No votes
Voters: None
MartinGG99
0
No votes
Voters: None
Master Radishes
0
No votes
Voters: None
Michelle
0
No votes
Voters: None
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
0
No votes
Voters: None
nutella
0
No votes
Voters: None
Sloonei
1
4%
Voters: DrWilgy
Syn
0
No votes
Voters: None
hollowkatt
1
4%
Voters: Sloonei
Timsup2nothin
0
No votes
Voters: None
TonyStarkPrime
2
7%
Voters: Long Con, Timsup2nothin
tedxtr
0
No votes
Voters: None
tutuu
4
14%
Voters: Michelle, hollowkatt, falcon45ca, Jackofhearts2005
No vote
0
No votes
Voters: None
No elimination
0
No votes
Voters: None
Mac's Mom (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
6
21%
Voters: Marmot, MacDougall, c4e5g3d5, JaggedJimmyJay, Epignosis, juliets
Total votes: 28

VC

[Justplayingitcool]

made, i lvoe you

Yeah this is another reason I want him to be right so I don't have to shoot him.

fucking stop

if you shoot made i will never play with you again

shoot in the poe

Save the AtE for when you aren't already clear town.

No, really. Please don't shoot Made.

[nutella]

eod is.... 3pm pst right?

yes

[Justplayingitcool]

112 was the 6th vote on cat, thunal had 4 votes at the time..... i think.

stays on for a while. vote gets to about 10 and then 112 drops off, stating nerves....

112's dropping off of the catwagon is probably the best argument for town112

then moves vote around a little between people who aren't necessarily likely to produce counterwagons.

'smart' move for mafia 112 would have been to just stick on cat and get the credit.

potential for wifom is there. others should review as well

I don't think that's AI.

Falcon wagon was growing traction, so it wouldn't be outlandish to think that the removal of a vote was to make the falcon wagon more appealing.

[nutella]

oh weird the poll doesn't have the end time

but yeah hosts will just lock it then anyway