Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[112]

this is dumb

[Justplayingitcool]

[VOTE: JackofHearts] aubergine

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

You can chide me all you want but the bottom line is I’m not going to do it in games it isn’t a rule to and I don’t feel the need to justify it beyond “I don’t want to” so it’s not likely to be a productive conversation

[112]

Sheeping on 112

[VOTE: 112] aubergine

Totally didn't buy his suspicion on me and "there's not enough votes on Dizzy" on D1 anyway.
If 112 is scum, I know I thought D1 that Nanook/112 could be a thing, though tbh I don't remember why.

[Long Con]

We've both seen vote timing analysis in gamesolving, and I am sure that at least some skilled players consider it to be a benefit. You don't see it as a benefit, I guess, and that's fine.

The thing I still don't understand is what benefit you get out of withholding the in-thread vote?

I find it annoying

But you still seem low-key annoyed much of the time even without using vote tags. It's me isn't it.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

We've both seen vote timing analysis in gamesolving, and I am sure that at least some skilled players consider it to be a benefit. You don't see it as a benefit, I guess, and that's fine.

The thing I still don't understand is what benefit you get out of withholding the in-thread vote?

I find it annoying

But you still seem low-key annoyed much of the time even without using vote tags. It's me isn't it.

I’m not annoyed?

[Long Con]

And I'm still not chiding or scolding!

[Sloonei]

this is dumb

Give me 2-3 other names that should get votes instead of you. Falcon can be one of them.

[Long Con]

No, falcon isn't getting yeeted today.

[112]

this is dumb

Give me 2-3 other names that should get votes instead of you. Falcon can be one of them.

nanook, hollowkatt, dizzy i guess

[Long Con]

this is dumb

Give me 2-3 other names that should get votes instead of you. Falcon can be one of them.

nanook, hollowkatt, dizzy i guess

That's an acceptable list to me.

[112]

tbh my poe is a lot bigger than 3 tho

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

And I'm still not chiding or scolding!

Maybe it just read that way to me

Sorry

[112]

wolves r laffing

[Sloonei]

this is dumb

Give me 2-3 other names that should get votes instead of you. Falcon can be one of them.

nanook, hollowkatt, dizzy i guess

Why’s your vote currently on falcon?

Why is hk not a town read for you?

[Justplayingitcool]

tbh my poe is a lot bigger than 3 tho

What's your current PoE?

[Dyslexicon]

@Dyslexicon Did you ever respond to any of the posts I directed to you? Also, I talked about you (and 112) a bunch last night -- have you read it yet? If so, got any comments on it?

Here are the aforementioned posts again:

No, I missed all these posts. Haven't read a lot of the thread.

Is everyone who push me as scum still people who don’t know me? Is cool, but not very smart.

I’ll read EoD at some point.

I'm an alt of someone who has played with you. Maybe.

Why am I scum to you, Tutu? Go! I don't really buy that you think so, but go anyway. Convince me, I might agree.

Also, didn't you town read Martin last day?

Process of elimination im not finding u as town and im finding other ppl as town + nutellas idea that u killed dya n1 and if u werent in a mafia team dya probably doesnt die n1

You found me as town D1. You seemed pretty sure. When did that stop? I've never low posted as mafia btw. Not that it should clear me. This answer is not good enough.

And what the fuck is that lol. @nutella Where did that come from?

Reads can't change? o:

I should do Marmot iso too I guess. Also I did no understand Marmot's role.

Oh, and @Sloonei Why did you vote Marmot?

Oof. No, I don't want to read Marmot's ISO. Didn't know it was so long.

I don't really have much motivation for this game. I'm sorry. =/

So, like, if both Wilgy and Dizzy are mafia, mafia's playing really lazily right now. Falcon might fall into that bracket, too, for the "reading Tim's ISO in 10 minutes" thing than saying Tim was 60% scum from it.

If I have Nut, Radish and Syn as hard town, does that sound reasonable? Anyone I should add?

Tim and Made for being on both the Cat and Marmot wagons unless you think scum would bus twice in two consecutive day phases. o:

I assume joke. =p

Of course they can. I'm not implying they can't. I'm asking Tutu about it. I know how mafia works. Jeez.

If I'm not mistaken, Tim only voted Marmot when asked to in the very end? Made is probably town, and that's one read I actually have had, so yeah.

I'm mostly looking at 112 and Wilgy right now, lot of it sheeping the people I think are town, that I know and understand, and that seems to know what's going on. So Nutella and Radish for example.

[112]

this is dumb

Give me 2-3 other names that should get votes instead of you. Falcon can be one of them.

nanook, hollowkatt, dizzy i guess

Why’s your vote currently on falcon?

Why is hk not a town read for you?

i put it there a while ago because he was kinda sus and had a wagon

kept it there last night because the votes were 5-5 for me/him

it's still on him because i woke up an hour ago and haven't changed it

[Dyslexicon]

I probably have no reservation to vote any of 112, Wilgy, HK or Nanook. I don't feel like I appologizing for not paying that much attention to this game. It is what it is.

I have absolutely no opinion on Sloonei.

Jack replaced Thunal, right? I don't even have an opinion there, though I probably should.

[112]

oh and hk's not a townread for me because i read some of his posts and thought they were scummy

[Justplayingitcool]

I probably have no reservation to vote any of 112, Wilgy, HK or Nanook. I don't feel like I appologizing for not paying that much attention to this game. It is what it is.

I have absolutely no opinion on Sloonei.

Jack replaced Thunal, right? I don't even have an opinion there, though I probably should.

HK replaced thunal

[Dyslexicon]

Actually, I'm moving back to Wilgy, cause I just am.

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

[Dyslexicon]

HK replaced thunal

Oh ok. Well, then no opinion goes for HK. But I saw Radish (I think?) had gripes with him.

[Sloonei]

I probably have no reservation to vote any of 112, Wilgy, HK or Nanook. I don't feel like I appologizing for not paying that much attention to this game. It is what it is.

I have absolutely no opinion on Sloonei.

Jack replaced Thunal, right? I don't even have an opinion there, though I probably should.

What do you make of the thing I just said a few minutes ago re: cat and 112?

[112]

tbh my poe is a lot bigger than 3 tho

What's your current PoE?

dizzy
nanook
hk
made
martin
tsp
falcon

ted and kyle honourable mentions

[Sloonei]

this is dumb

Give me 2-3 other names that should get votes instead of you. Falcon can be one of them.

nanook, hollowkatt, dizzy i guess

Why’s your vote currently on falcon?

Why is hk not a town read for you?

i put it there a while ago because he was kinda sus and had a wagon

kept it there last night because the votes were 5-5 for me/him

it's still on him because i woke up an hour ago and haven't changed it

Talk about dem other names then

[Dyslexicon]

Cat, have you paid attention to people voting you? Who do you think could be the scum jumping on your train?

(If you're town and you end up going over, it'd be good to have your perspective noted.)

No i haven't, i've made walls consistantly and the post i left off at was Dyslexicon snapping back at someone. (I forgot who ) From what i can tell the people voting me didn't like my response to MacDougall so i can't say anyone is wolfy. I don't get pinged when i'm voted so i don't know the context.
On the wagon i have a slight scumread on Nutella, and townread on tutuu. Everyone else is either a mixed bag or i have pretty much no opinion on. Like i said the most important people are the people off wagon or dancing around suspiciously and that is where town usually ignores since they are too focused on "wow, voting townie, there must be scum there".

RE: the 112 wagon, this post from cat suggests to me that those two are not teammates. 112 is the forgotten “someone” that Dizzy was “snapping back at”. I think it is less likely that cat would have forgotten a teammate’s involvement in that exchange than a random non-teammate. If you want to say it was a smokescreen or “anti-spew”, then I’d respond by saying that that would be more meticulous than is expected if anyone.

I don’t have an alternative. The response to my prods about hollowkatt have suggested that people drew more confident positive conclusions about Thunal and cat in Day 1 than I did. I don’t have a case there so much as a lack of a town read.

I think the tutuu votes are way off base. I do not know what to do with falcon.

Sorry for being such a non-participant today. I’m off to work shortly and won’t be done until well after the deadline.

@Sloonei This? I made the exact same point when I read Cat's spew. One of the reasons I'm ok voting off 112. Also general rah rah rah town vibe or something.

[Dyslexicon]

tbh my poe is a lot bigger than 3 tho

What's your current PoE?

dizzy
nanook
hk
made
martin
tsp
falcon

ted and kyle honourable mentions

Is Wilgy in your PoE?

[Justplayingitcool]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

When did wilgy start voting sloonei?

[Sloonei]

Cat, have you paid attention to people voting you? Who do you think could be the scum jumping on your train?

(If you're town and you end up going over, it'd be good to have your perspective noted.)

No i haven't, i've made walls consistantly and the post i left off at was Dyslexicon snapping back at someone. (I forgot who ) From what i can tell the people voting me didn't like my response to MacDougall so i can't say anyone is wolfy. I don't get pinged when i'm voted so i don't know the context.
On the wagon i have a slight scumread on Nutella, and townread on tutuu. Everyone else is either a mixed bag or i have pretty much no opinion on. Like i said the most important people are the people off wagon or dancing around suspiciously and that is where town usually ignores since they are too focused on "wow, voting townie, there must be scum there".

RE: the 112 wagon, this post from cat suggests to me that those two are not teammates. 112 is the forgotten “someone” that Dizzy was “snapping back at”. I think it is less likely that cat would have forgotten a teammate’s involvement in that exchange than a random non-teammate. If you want to say it was a smokescreen or “anti-spew”, then I’d respond by saying that that would be more meticulous than is expected if anyone.

I don’t have an alternative. The response to my prods about hollowkatt have suggested that people drew more confident positive conclusions about Thunal and cat in Day 1 than I did. I don’t have a case there so much as a lack of a town read.

I think the tutuu votes are way off base. I do not know what to do with falcon.

Sorry for being such a non-participant today. I’m off to work shortly and won’t be done until well after the deadline.

@Sloonei This? I made the exact same point when I read Cat's spew. One of the reasons I'm ok voting off 112. Also general rah rah rah town vibe or something.

What? How?

[hollowkatt]

ok to shoot:
112 (if not chop), drwilgy, dyslexicon, falcon, jack, marmot, nanook, tsp

@ towncore feel free to remove names, i'd maybe remove dizzy and falcon atp

tim, shoot in these. don't be a neg util hero shooter. thanks

i've listed all of those other players in my poes earlier in the game minus tsp who wasn't really playing

did i bus my entire team?

it wouldn't be the first time in a high stakes game someone bused their whole team...

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

When did wilgy start voting sloonei?

The moment he arrived. Why are you just noticing this?

[Long Con]

Roughly 4 1/2 hours left in the yeet.

[hollowkatt]

tutuu is just like "you have to assume roles on the syndicate are as maximally bizarre as possible"

i promise u epi is not quite that insane

my role is incredibly straightforward, like two sentences straighforward

[Justplayingitcool]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

When did wilgy start voting sloonei?

The moment he arrived. Why are you just noticing this?

I am unobservant

[Long Con]

tutuu is just like "you have to assume roles on the syndicate are as maximally bizarre as possible"

i promise u epi is not quite that insane

my role is incredibly straightforward, like two sentences straighforward

My role is also straightforward. And the wolf team almost certainly knows what it is. Does that mean I should share it?

[hollowkatt]

Just flicked through Marmots iso again on my phone. Not quoting anything, but...

Reinforces my feeling that he spoke to tutuu not as teammates. Tutuu just town here I think. Marmot treated me the same way on D1.

I do sort of feel it's the same with Falcon. So I guess likely not aligned either and falc is just being a derp.


Marmot quietly defended Thunal. A lot. Not constantly so it didn't stand out as much at the time to me, but little comments here and there. He ignored Cat until clearly realising he had to commit and found an awkward way to join that wagon, so that's different. But looking at how Marmot treated slots like me, tutuu, made, and falcon, all of whom were lightly sussed and kept in the PoE after others had put us there, the hard defense of Thunal stands out.

Also, you know, dya was N1ed.

I'm thinking HK is a good chop choice today.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

How 'bout no

[Sloonei]

I have an unreciprocated relationship with Wilgy where I always tell people to stop suspecting him all the time, and he just rolls out of bed and says that I’m mafia.

[Justplayingitcool]

Just flicked through Marmots iso again on my phone. Not quoting anything, but...

Reinforces my feeling that he spoke to tutuu not as teammates. Tutuu just town here I think. Marmot treated me the same way on D1.

I do sort of feel it's the same with Falcon. So I guess likely not aligned either and falc is just being a derp.


Marmot quietly defended Thunal. A lot. Not constantly so it didn't stand out as much at the time to me, but little comments here and there. He ignored Cat until clearly realising he had to commit and found an awkward way to join that wagon, so that's different. But looking at how Marmot treated slots like me, tutuu, made, and falcon, all of whom were lightly sussed and kept in the PoE after others had put us there, the hard defense of Thunal stands out.

Also, you know, dya was N1ed.

I'm thinking HK is a good chop choice today.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

How 'bout no

Radishes is town

[Kylemii]

@nutella HK isn't in your poe are they town do you think?

[hollowkatt]

What's going on with Dr Wilgy?

Yeah, why shouldn't why yeet Wilgy? Also, why shouldn't we yeet Jack?

What's your case against Jack?

maybe it would be better to just find townies, not chop those people, and everyone else is fair game?
So turn the question around, why protect wiggly or jack?

[hollowkatt]

Ok, Jack's ISO is on it's 4th page, but as of yesterday it was on page 2. He's really picked up the pace, and his posts have developed as well...earlier in the game his posts were more comment than post, fairly light. Jacks built quite a case against Tuutu recently, def getting more involved. I'd say that he is town and getting into their game groove.


One thing tho, early Dr W town read for reasons? And then defends the read later on, tho there hadn't been any interactions I noticed.


I'd say Jacks town

Right ok, so this seems like a good reason not to chop jack then. So put him into your town bucket for now, keep reviewing as needed, and if things change, progress from there.

[hollowkatt]

Does Nanook typically vote with no explanation?

Yes

I think you also vote without calling it in the thread, is that accurate?

Yep!

Why would you make it a habit to do something deliberately anti-town?

don't see that as being anti-town, why do you?

[Sloonei]

I have to go to work for what feels like the 15th time this week. I barely know what is going on this game, but I would advocate against voting for 112. I think we should be looking elsewhere. I’ll leave my vote on hollowkatt for now for the sake of discussion. I should at least be able to glance at the poll before the deadline.

I am noticing wilgy is currently tied with 112 for the lead. Is there more to that vote than “his name is DrWilgy”?

[tutuu]

[VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine sheeping jpic

[Justplayingitcool]

I have to go to work for what feels like the 15th time this week. I barely know what is going on this game, but I would advocate against voting for 112. I think we should be looking elsewhere. I’ll leave my vote on hollowkatt for now for the sake of discussion. I should at least be able to glance at the poll before the deadline.

I am noticing wilgy is currently tied with 112 for the lead. Is there more to that vote than “his name is DrWilgy”?

I thought he had a scummy D1 from recollection

[Kylemii]

actually, asking anyone, what makes hollowkatt town

[hollowkatt]

There are some pretty heavy hitters (ie, people who claim to be reading and ISOing who post quotes and stuff) pushing back on the Tutuu and Falcon wagons...but nothing else seems to gain any traction at all. Is it just me, or does that feel like wolves have settled on a strat of holding TvT wagons in place?

Do you think there's a wolf being voted for then currently?
Looks like wagons are:
112
Wiggly
falcon
LC
Sloonei
HK
TSP
tutuu

Of those I like LC for town, TSP seems ok, haven't gotten anything on sloonei or wiggly, would sheep the 112 arguments, and really still want to brutally day murder tutuu
Falcon wagon comp: I like nutella there, and kinda Radish, and kinda tedxtr

So, just to make sure I'm understanding this correctly, you townread/lean town on everyone in that list except for 112 and Tutuu? Is there anyone outside of these people who you would brutally murder if you had the opportunity?

think of it less as town read and more as "don't wolf read", yeah?
I'd daymurder Radish, I think the way he's pivoting to me over the last couple posts of his I'm seeing without committing to it is sus, especially when there are a plethora of other wagon options open to him, so why do that unless you think all the current wagons are town. Bugs me a lot actually.

so probably would chop this order: radish, tutuu, 112, then pretty much anyone that isn't nutella, tim, made (yes I town read there now), hyena, michelle, syn

[Justplayingitcool]

There are some pretty heavy hitters (ie, people who claim to be reading and ISOing who post quotes and stuff) pushing back on the Tutuu and Falcon wagons...but nothing else seems to gain any traction at all. Is it just me, or does that feel like wolves have settled on a strat of holding TvT wagons in place?

Do you think there's a wolf being voted for then currently?
Looks like wagons are:
112
Wiggly
falcon
LC
Sloonei
HK
TSP
tutuu

Of those I like LC for town, TSP seems ok, haven't gotten anything on sloonei or wiggly, would sheep the 112 arguments, and really still want to brutally day murder tutuu
Falcon wagon comp: I like nutella there, and kinda Radish, and kinda tedxtr

So, just to make sure I'm understanding this correctly, you townread/lean town on everyone in that list except for 112 and Tutuu? Is there anyone outside of these people who you would brutally murder if you had the opportunity?

think of it less as town read and more as "don't wolf read", yeah?
I'd daymurder Radish, I think the way he's pivoting to me over the last couple posts of his I'm seeing without committing to it is sus, especially when there are a plethora of other wagon options open to him, so why do that unless you think all the current wagons are town. Bugs me a lot actually.

so probably would chop this order: radish, tutuu, 112, then pretty much anyone that isn't nutella, tim, made (yes I town read there now), hyena, michelle, syn

I don't like this

[VOTE: Hollowkat] aubergine

[hollowkatt]

ok to shoot:
112 (if not chop), drwilgy, dyslexicon, falcon, jack, marmot, nanook, tsp

@ towncore feel free to remove names, i'd maybe remove dizzy and falcon atp

tim, shoot in these. don't be a neg util hero shooter. thanks

I'd be fine with a shot in that pool

There are some pretty heavy hitters (ie, people who claim to be reading and ISOing who post quotes and stuff) pushing back on the Tutuu and Falcon wagons...but nothing else seems to gain any traction at all. Is it just me, or does that feel like wolves have settled on a strat of holding TvT wagons in place?

Do you think there's a wolf being voted for then currently?
Looks like wagons are:
112
Wiggly
falcon
LC
Sloonei
HK
TSP
tutuu

Of those I like LC for town, TSP seems ok, haven't gotten anything on sloonei or wiggly, would sheep the 112 arguments, and really still want to brutally day murder tutuu
Falcon wagon comp: I like nutella there, and kinda Radish, and kinda tedxtr

Huh, townreads TSP but is also ok with shooting TSP

yeah why not?
I can understand why a chunk of people I think are town think TSP could be a good shot. Just b/c I town lean there doesn't make me right and them wrong, and if they're picking up on things I'm not seeing good on them.