Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[tutuu]

tim is the second highest living poster im putting him as lock town, if he is scum its insane for him to have made himself so scummy with that claim for no reason and then claiming he shot me and what not, its just way too much insane stuff

its not impossible but its a very convoluted wolf plan and i can think of very few people who would play it that crazy as mafia

i want to post count clear radish too fuck it im nto reading the marmot stuff. if made thinks radish is semi clear then good enough for me

marmot was the highest scum poster, nook right below him, everyone else also below them

[Syn]

my heart is made of paper mache and gasoline, so any time someone volunteers to be yeeted like martin is, or hollowkatt did earlier, it makes me question things, even though i know anyone can just say anything whenever

you're a wolf and you only dreamt you're a civilian, wake up kylemii

[112]

[VOTE: 112] aubergine

i think scum were/are desperate and her reads are like 100% accurate coz their only chance is someone going deep

im not voting her coz i think shes scummy on like, "standard scum read"

i'm just that good actually

[Made]

Tim if I were mafia what do you think the odds of you being alive would be

Tim if I were mafia what do you think the odds of you being alive would be

There's that.

Tim's still town

[112]

[VOTE: This space is intentionally left blank] aubergine

[tutuu]

JackofHearts2005
tutuu
Syn
JustPlayingitcool
Made
Hyena
Timsup2nothin
Master Radishes
Sloonei
Michelle
DrWilgy
Long Con
tedxtr
MartinGG99
Kylemii
TonyStarkPrime
Dyslexicon
hollowkatt
112
Alison

[tutuu]

[VOTE: 112] aubergine

i think scum were/are desperate and her reads are like 100% accurate coz their only chance is someone going deep

im not voting her coz i think shes scummy on like, "standard scum read"

i'm just that good actually

hey thats possible; if you are town your performance has been flawless fmpov

[Made]

[VOTE: This space is intentionally left blank] aubergine

what was the last game you were bad in?

[112]

[VOTE: This space is intentionally left blank] aubergine

what was the last game you were bad in?

spiderverse

[112]

112 voted cat before mac made an argument against cat
at the time 112 was voting falcon
112 was asked why she voted cat, and she said she wanted her vote to be useful rather that voting someone she preferred (dizzy)
112 was the third vote on cat
when the wagon on cat picked up, 112 changed her vote to somewhere less useful
when 112 was wagoned day one, marmot and cat created alternate wagons (nutella & Thunnal)

112 is bad y'all wtf

@Sloonei, what's the counter argument here? sure 112 looks spewed by Cat, but 112's cat vote is still VERY weird

libel

[Made]

[VOTE: This space is intentionally left blank] aubergine

what was the last game you were bad in?

spiderverse

that doesn't count

[112]

I am quite frankly drained from the game for some reason in that aspect everyone should absolutely chop me despite being town

i don't know whether i like this AtE; it has a funny taste but not an outright bad one

[Made]

from the little I haven't repressed from SC, I think 112 look bad this game cuz in that game she was hyper self aware of how "bad" she looked. And she didn't even look very bad that game! If 112 brought up how she looked in this game in the same way she did in SC

112 flying under the radar, expect late game heroism

it would read out of place.

[112]

[VOTE: This space is intentionally left blank] aubergine

what was the last game you were bad in?

spiderverse

that doesn't count

not sure then

i think it was amdibals

[112]

from the little I haven't repressed from SC, I think 112 look bad this game cuz in that game she was hyper self aware of how "bad" she looked. And she didn't even look very bad that game! If 112 brought up how she looked in this game in the same way she did in SC

112 flying under the radar, expect late game heroism

it would read out of place.

not sure what this means

i think i'm playing a decent game in terms of my reads here but would be more effective if i put more effort into casing and outlining why i think the way i do

none of this can distract us from the fact that blindly sheeping me is >rand win% for the town and therefore anyone who is differently opinionated is a negative-utility town or wolf

[Jackofhearts2005]

JackofHearts2005
tutuu
Syn
JustPlayingitcool
Made
Hyena
Master Radishes
Sloonei
Michelle
Timsup2nothin
DrWilgy
Kylemii
tedxtr
Long Con
TonyStarkPrime
MartinGG99
Dyslexicon
hollowkatt
112
Alison

here; i cant come up with anything better

i also think kylemii is 3p for no justifiable reason. but not a harmful 3p, like a neutral 3p

I hope you townread me more than yourself under the idea “maybe I’m secretly mafia and just don’t know it but Jack flipped town.”

[Syn]

JackofHearts2005
tutuu
Syn
JustPlayingitcool
Made
Hyena
Master Radishes
Sloonei
Michelle
Timsup2nothin
DrWilgy
Kylemii
tedxtr
Long Con
TonyStarkPrime
MartinGG99
Dyslexicon
hollowkatt
112
Alison

here; i cant come up with anything better

i also think kylemii is 3p for no justifiable reason. but not a harmful 3p, like a neutral 3p

I hope you townread me more than yourself under the idea “maybe I’m secretly mafia and just don’t know it but Jack flipped town.”

please actually cop check someone tonight

[Jackofhearts2005]

people who townread Syn or Michelle please let me know why

They feel townie.

[Jackofhearts2005]

JackofHearts2005
tutuu
Syn
JustPlayingitcool
Made
Hyena
Master Radishes
Sloonei
Michelle
Timsup2nothin
DrWilgy
Kylemii
tedxtr
Long Con
TonyStarkPrime
MartinGG99
Dyslexicon
hollowkatt
112
Alison

here; i cant come up with anything better

i also think kylemii is 3p for no justifiable reason. but not a harmful 3p, like a neutral 3p

I hope you townread me more than yourself under the idea “maybe I’m secretly mafia and just don’t know it but Jack flipped town.”

please actually cop check someone tonight

No promises.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[Kylemii]

what does >rand mafia and town and other variations of that mean btw

[Made]

what does >rand mafia and town and other variations of that mean btw

i've been too afraid to ask tbh

[Syn]

what does >rand mafia and town and other variations of that mean btw

greater than 50% chance of flipping as that alignment

[112]

and i also don't see why "112 scum equity+" can be so simply derived from my hopping off the cat wagon when it was at 9-10 players strong

is it possible i tried to wifom it? yes. but it nonetheless would have been an outright bizarre play at that point and not one i think i'd be inclined to make

[tutuu]

what does >rand mafia and town and other variations of that mean btw

greater than 50% chance of flipping as that alignment

it means greater or lesser than the default chance to flip town or mafia

the default chance to flip town in most games is around 75% since thats roughly the amount of townies

since this number is a variable from game to game, in short people say > or < rand to reference it

[Made]

Amy and tutuu are both involved in the game in a way I wouldn't expect they could create as scum- townleans there still.

Urist seems to be coasting a little bit and isn't offering too much of substance, but I like their tone and they seem to be inside a cocoon of genuine uncertainty around the gamestate. I maintain my townlean.

Colin is way on the outskirts of things, dropping in to comment little bits here and there without much solving actions. I think he's a good person to put under the microscope.

nutella is p towny and just wrong on her read of me

I read her correctly in the last game I played with her where she was scum and feel good about her here

someone called tenthousandcalories obvious town but i didn't like the only post i remember from that slot

who was it and why are they obvtown?

Amy and tutuu are both involved in the game in a way I wouldn't expect they could create as scum- townleans there still.

Urist seems to be coasting a little bit and isn't offering too much of substance, but I like their tone and they seem to be inside a cocoon of genuine uncertainty around the gamestate. I maintain my townlean.

Colin is way on the outskirts of things, dropping in to comment little bits here and there without much solving actions. I think he's a good person to put under the microscope.

FWIW I think this is NAI for Colin since I've incorrectly read him as scum in a couple of games for doing exactly this. Obviously it doesn't make him town because he can do this as scum too, but it certainly isn't a scumtell.

Fair.

I've played with him before and he does seem a little more reserved than even what I remember, but he's not too far off his meta that it locks him or anything.

anyone who's townreading this is just wrong


this is not town 112

it just isn't

fake fake fake

u was a homie

so this is how 112 was caught last game. This vs the 112 we've seen in this game, plus the wifom city of unvoting cat when it would've been pointless to remove as a save...>rand_Town

cool!! next on the list [VOTE: MasterRadishes] aubergine

[Syn]

i too like nitpicking

[tutuu]

i too like nitpicking

its not a nitpick, im answering the question

[Syn]

Amy and tutuu are both involved in the game in a way I wouldn't expect they could create as scum- townleans there still.

Urist seems to be coasting a little bit and isn't offering too much of substance, but I like their tone and they seem to be inside a cocoon of genuine uncertainty around the gamestate. I maintain my townlean.

Colin is way on the outskirts of things, dropping in to comment little bits here and there without much solving actions. I think he's a good person to put under the microscope.

nutella is p towny and just wrong on her read of me

I read her correctly in the last game I played with her where she was scum and feel good about her here

someone called tenthousandcalories obvious town but i didn't like the only post i remember from that slot

who was it and why are they obvtown?

Amy and tutuu are both involved in the game in a way I wouldn't expect they could create as scum- townleans there still.

Urist seems to be coasting a little bit and isn't offering too much of substance, but I like their tone and they seem to be inside a cocoon of genuine uncertainty around the gamestate. I maintain my townlean.

Colin is way on the outskirts of things, dropping in to comment little bits here and there without much solving actions. I think he's a good person to put under the microscope.

FWIW I think this is NAI for Colin since I've incorrectly read him as scum in a couple of games for doing exactly this. Obviously it doesn't make him town because he can do this as scum too, but it certainly isn't a scumtell.

Fair.

I've played with him before and he does seem a little more reserved than even what I remember, but he's not too far off his meta that it locks him or anything.

anyone who's townreading this is just wrong


this is not town 112

it just isn't

fake fake fake

u was a homie

so this is how 112 was caught last game. This vs the 112 we've seen in this game, plus the wifom city of unvoting cat when it would've been pointless to remove as a save...>rand_Town

cool!! next on the list [VOTE: MasterRadishes] aubergine

thank 4 ur vote

[Made]

tbh, it probably is just MR. if it's not 112, it's almost always Radishes

[Syn]

it is radishes

[Timsup2nothin]

what does >rand mafia and town and other variations of that mean btw

greater than 50% chance of flipping as that alignment

well, no... at the start of the game everyone is rand before they post...and that means if you just said "town town town" all the way down the list you would be right way more than half the time...because rand town is somewhere around 70% depending on the setup

So if someone is >rand mafia that means they are looking more likely than just whatever random shot in the dark is...but they are still maybe not 50/50

Rand is important because when someone says "I had three town reads and they are all town I'm a genius" you have to buffer that with the reality that picking three names totally at random has a better than 50/50 chance of picking three town.

[112]

@Master Radishes - you've suddenly gone deaf quiet on me after sussing me for most of the earlier rounds. why is this and what's your current read on me?

[Syn]

what does >rand mafia and town and other variations of that mean btw

greater than 50% chance of flipping as that alignment

well, no... at the start of the game everyone is rand before they post...and that means if you just said "town town town" all the way down the list you would be right way more than half the time...because rand town is somewhere around 70% depending on the setup

So if someone is >rand mafia that means they are looking more likely than just whatever random shot in the dark is...but they are still maybe not 50/50

Rand is important because when someone says "I had three town reads and they are all town I'm a genius" you have to buffer that with the reality that picking three names totally at random has a better than 50/50 chance of picking three town.

i too like nitpicking

[Kylemii]

what does >rand mafia and town and other variations of that mean btw

greater than 50% chance of flipping as that alignment

it means greater or lesser than the default chance to flip town or mafia

the default chance to flip town in most games is around 75% since thats roughly the amount of townies

since this number is a variable from game to game, in short people say > or < rand to reference it

is there syntax difference between >rand, and rand< since they're mathematically equivalent and the variable is implied? does anyone ever flip the sign?

[tutuu]

what does >rand mafia and town and other variations of that mean btw

greater than 50% chance of flipping as that alignment

it means greater or lesser than the default chance to flip town or mafia

the default chance to flip town in most games is around 75% since thats roughly the amount of townies

since this number is a variable from game to game, in short people say > or < rand to reference it

is there syntax difference between >rand, and rand< since they're mathematically equivalent and the variable is implied? does anyone ever flip the sign?

the sign is always put before rand. <rand or >rand

[Kylemii]

eating cereal without milk is >rand wolf, means that i think that there's correlation between people who eat dry cereal and people who've rolled maf, is that how it's used?

[Timsup2nothin]

what does >rand mafia and town and other variations of that mean btw

greater than 50% chance of flipping as that alignment

it means greater or lesser than the default chance to flip town or mafia

the default chance to flip town in most games is around 75% since thats roughly the amount of townies

since this number is a variable from game to game, in short people say > or < rand to reference it

is there syntax difference between >rand, and rand< since they're mathematically equivalent and the variable is implied? does anyone ever flip the sign?

While mathematically equivalent the second is conversationally awkward.

[Timsup2nothin]

eating cereal without milk is >rand wolf, means that i think that there's correlation between people who eat dry cereal and people who've rolled maf, is that how it's used?

Yes...and even if it weren't people who eat cereal without milk are obviously anti-town and should be chopped

[Timsup2nothin]

Tutuu sweetie it pains me that we really have to chop you here.

[hollowkatt]

ok so i spent a good amount of time reading through the general PoE last night. I think Dyslexicon and Martin should be given some love and attention of the inquisitive kind. HK too, though i remember reading something from either them or thunal and i thought "ah ok" so maybe not. JPIC also should be ogled severely.

tutuu is just 100% town actually, and should be given the license to move and act freely as she pleases, if we were flying in an airplane tutuu should be legally allowed to just walk into the pilot's room where the pilots are. The airplane security guards would see her and say "yeah that's fine. i'm completely okay with that. there's nothing wrong with that at all"

tim is too, even if you consider the possibility that he's lying or just wrong about everything he's saying, there's no benefit to doing any of it at all. like what's the plan if he's mafia? he pretends to be a vigilante, a publicly provable role, and then doesn't kill someone? for what? for why? "but kyle, what about wifom?" wifom doesn't apply if the benefit to doing something is astronomically less than not doing anything and/or nonexistent. i don't think anyone is seriously entertaining this notion

i have no recollection of Syn whatsoever so i may work to rectify that, same is true for Michelle

no

[Made]

ScumBucket:
version 1.D3.0

MasterRadishes
Sloonei
Dizzy
LC
Tutuu
112
Nanook
Wilgy
HK
Falcon
Hyena
Syn
Tim

1.D3.2 Change Log

removed 112: Meta doesn't read like previous scum game. Also voted cat, and then when it hit 9-10 vote changed vote away from cat like a madlad
added Dizzy: If 112 is town, then Dizzy looks sus for susing 112's cat vote EOD1

Spoiler: show

1.D3.0.1 Change Log
formatting fix
Removed nanook(he died lmao), Wilgy (he be vibin)
Added Tutuu, Sloonei, LC

Spoiler: show

1.D2.3 Bucket updated with reasoning for removal
Nanook- he died
Hk/Thunal- this is who cat and marmot pushed when seemingly defending someone. I don't think this slot is bad for the same reason Nutella looks good here
falcon- playing consistent to meta, and Marmot left his vote on him for almost all of D2 with intention to push. Probably just town
Hyena- Sufficiently not involved enough in this situation for me to sus. Vote at time of podrace was on Made, i'm cool with that for now.
Syn- got voted by marmot during Cat wagon, voted Marmot first. probably just town.
Tim- spewed by marmot. this and other reasons, probably just town

[tutuu]

Tutuu sweetie it pains me that we really have to chop you here.

did u check my ping? i think u should consider hollowkatt tomorrow, i believe you're still town

him and 112, please dont clear any of them if either flips scum

also i might not necessarily get chopped here we'll see

im worried if im getting fooled by radish but even if i am i wont be alive so it probably doesnt matter

maybe it matters for my legacy thou in case anyone decides to listen to it

[Made]

Also, there's no more than one scum between HK/Thunnal, tutuu, and Martin, and there's no way it's martin

[tutuu]

Also, there's no more than one scum between HK/Thunnal, tutuu, and Martin, and there's no way it's martin

dunno how u came to this conclusion but it aligns with my reads and alignment

[Kylemii]

thank you everyone for enlightening me i will never use this term or i will use it incorrectly on purpose as a joke love you

[Kylemii]

ok so i spent a good amount of time reading through the general PoE last night. I think Dyslexicon and Martin should be given some love and attention of the inquisitive kind. HK too, though i remember reading something from either them or thunal and i thought "ah ok" so maybe not. JPIC also should be ogled severely.

tutuu is just 100% town actually, and should be given the license to move and act freely as she pleases, if we were flying in an airplane tutuu should be legally allowed to just walk into the pilot's room where the pilots are. The airplane security guards would see her and say "yeah that's fine. i'm completely okay with that. there's nothing wrong with that at all"

tim is too, even if you consider the possibility that he's lying or just wrong about everything he's saying, there's no benefit to doing any of it at all. like what's the plan if he's mafia? he pretends to be a vigilante, a publicly provable role, and then doesn't kill someone? for what? for why? "but kyle, what about wifom?" wifom doesn't apply if the benefit to doing something is astronomically less than not doing anything and/or nonexistent. i don't think anyone is seriously entertaining this notion

i have no recollection of Syn whatsoever so i may work to rectify that, same is true for Michelle

no

what are you saying no to

[tutuu]

@112 do u still think hollowkatt is scum? wanna get him?

[Made]

Also, there's no more than one scum between HK/Thunnal, tutuu, and Martin, and there's no way it's martin

dunno how u came to this conclusion but it aligns with my reads and alignment

this is based on that weird fight/podrace that happened early game with you martin and Thunal. I still have no clue what happened, but there's no way 2 of you were scum.

[Made]

I keep forgetting Ted is in this game