Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[tedxtr]

does kyle being 3P matter to us or nah? Alison's claim can scum-side, if I remember correctly, so is that a generally good assumption to make as well about a hypothetical 3P!Kyle?

if i'm correct about his role and what it does then there's pretty much not a single threat

but if we do have kp then we can just take him out anyway, seeing as we have a redcheck and there's probably 2 wolves left at most. just to be safe.

[Justplayingitcool]

Okay!!! Just looked at Syn's ISO. I trust hin critical thinking and if his mech info red's the Radish I favor chopping Radish. I do think Radish is strongly indicative of w!Tutuu as well, so I'll vig her (still love you Tutuu <patpat>

pls dont vig me when a player has claimed mech info that im town lmao

at least wait until kyle flips, if he doesnt flip town then go ahead and kill me

Clearly I need to ISO Kyle and go find this mech info, unless someone can clue me in.

kyle strongly implied parity checking, but then denied being able to parity check

Didn't he give a non-answer to tutuu though? It was a no but yes answer

he said tutuu is town and shouldnt be yeeted i suggest we all listen to kyle he's a smart man

Yes, I know. I was referring to the below. It sounded like a no, but yes, who knows answer.

well that's not exactly correct but it is pretty much correct

And tbh, we've seen falcon flip town, and Long Con is likely town with the tetris thing. I don't really see a reason not to believe kyle has some sort of info other than the 3P theory brandishing out there

[tedxtr]

kyle's original claim was "falcon and long con are same alignment unless i was roleblocked or one of them is 3p"

cool bean

okay it was LC not TSP

all these acronym people

@Kylemii Wouldn't you know if you were roleblocked, if you have an investigative role?

welcome to the discussion we had on D3, lol

tutuu's gonna be mad though

[Kylemii]

Okay!!! Just looked at Syn's ISO. I trust hin critical thinking and if his mech info red's the Radish I favor chopping Radish. I do think Radish is strongly indicative of w!Tutuu as well, so I'll vig her (still love you Tutuu <patpat>

pls dont vig me when a player has claimed mech info that im town lmao

at least wait until kyle flips, if he doesnt flip town then go ahead and kill me

I cannot believe this level of betrayal

[Dyslexicon]

@MartinGG99 You said your role had both a positive and negative effect, and only 1/2 of your role worked last night. Can you please share if it was the negative or positive effect that worked?

[Timsup2nothin]

Okay!!! Just looked at Syn's ISO. I trust hin critical thinking and if his mech info red's the Radish I favor chopping Radish. I do think Radish is strongly indicative of w!Tutuu as well, so I'll vig her (still love you Tutuu <patpat>

If MR flips red, I think it might be better to shoot Dyslexicon instead. Tutuu can in theory be cleared by the rest of town overnight, while Dyslexicon is solidly implicated by wolf!Radish and doesn't have hypothetical mech info backing them.

Wtf. I'm clearly not teamed with Radish. That was like my only firm suspicion at start of D1, and I love him to death and would never put that attention on him if we were scum together. I hate being in PoE so fucking annoying.

Dizzzzayyyyy!!!

C'mon buddy...you knew you were gonna mostly skip day one and your "soul read" was not gonna become fuel for a hard push. Not saying you were just a wolf distancing on day one, but you certainly could have been.

Mac says hi by the way.

He seems to think you are a wolf.

[112]

@tutuu - hollowkatt isn't my first choice but he's still in my PoE

[tutuu]

kyle's original claim was "falcon and long con are same alignment unless i was roleblocked or one of them is 3p"

cool bean

okay it was LC not TSP

all these acronym people

@Kylemii Wouldn't you know if you were roleblocked, if you have an investigative role?

welcome to the discussion we had on D3, lol

tutuu's gonna be mad though

im not mad u guys just havent played in enough quirky syndicate gamez

i just sharing my sage knowledge

there are no uniform standards on the site, everyone host does their own thing, u cant assume anything

if u assume stuff u will get burned

i mean look at jack's role

[tutuu]

@tutuu - hollowkatt isn't my first choice but he's still in my PoE

okiiii

[tutuu]

Okay!!! Just looked at Syn's ISO. I trust hin critical thinking and if his mech info red's the Radish I favor chopping Radish. I do think Radish is strongly indicative of w!Tutuu as well, so I'll vig her (still love you Tutuu <patpat>

pls dont vig me when a player has claimed mech info that im town lmao

at least wait until kyle flips, if he doesnt flip town then go ahead and kill me

I cannot believe this level of betrayal

nooo nono non on i just said like

IN CASE

kyle flips

IN CASE

T_T

kyle lock town in the meantime =w=

[Dyslexicon]

Dizzzzayyyyy!!!

C'mon buddy...you knew you were gonna mostly skip day one and your "soul read" was not gonna become fuel for a hard push. Not saying you were just a wolf distancing on day one, but you certainly could have been.

Mac says hi by the way.

He seems to think you are a wolf.

It was not a soul read, it was a read for a very specific reason. Literally the opposite of soul read.

And lol, who doesn't, I guess. It's "fine", cause town is doing well. I just hate being in PoE anyway. I've clearly pushed attention on Nanook and Radish if he's scum. I've clearly tried to sort through town, tried to take attention off of who I believed to be town in the grey area (like Made and Martin). I just feel I've clearly tried my best with the time I've had on my hand. I wish someone who knows me better would take a non conf bias look instead of whatever else is happening.

But I'm talking too much about me again. =p

[tedxtr]

more debunking of kyle's role and how it fits with my theory:

he claimed a same alignment check between two people and then a single tutuu peek

he probably has a parity cop to narrow down the role he's looking for (maybe another 3p???) and when he gets a difference check there's a chance he narrowed it down to a 3p and any other role (so the narrowing down part)

and then he has a single peek in order to see peek for the role he has to find / kill or whatever

makes sense?

[Syn]

Dizzzzayyyyy!!!

C'mon buddy...you knew you were gonna mostly skip day one and your "soul read" was not gonna become fuel for a hard push. Not saying you were just a wolf distancing on day one, but you certainly could have been.

Mac says hi by the way.

He seems to think you are a wolf.

It was not a soul read, it was a read for a very specific reason. Literally the opposite of soul read.

And lol, who doesn't, I guess. It's "fine", cause town is doing well. I just hate being in PoE anyway. I've clearly pushed attention on Nanook and Radish if he's scum. I've clearly tried to sort through town, tried to take attention off of who I believed to be town in the grey area (like Made and Martin). I just feel I've clearly tried my best with the time I've had on my hand. I wish someone who knows me better would take a non conf bias look instead of whatever else is happening.

But I'm talking too much about me again. =p

If it helps, my position is entirely based on Hyena's ISO. Before then you were just "Dyslexicon is a player who exists, maybe" to me.

[Syn]

more debunking of kyle's role and how it fits with my theory:

he claimed a same alignment check between two people and then a single tutuu peek

he probably has a parity cop to narrow down the role he's looking for (maybe another 3p???) and when he gets a difference check there's a chance he narrowed it down to a 3p and any other role (so the narrowing down part)

and then he has a single peek in order to see peek for the role he has to find / kill or whatever

makes sense?

not at all but continue

[tedxtr]

more debunking of kyle's role and how it fits with my theory:

he claimed a same alignment check between two people and then a single tutuu peek

he probably has a parity cop to narrow down the role he's looking for (maybe another 3p???) and when he gets a difference check there's a chance he narrowed it down to a 3p and any other role (so the narrowing down part)

and then he has a single peek in order to see peek for the role he has to find / kill or whatever

makes sense?

not at all but continue

rip

[Dyslexicon]

If it helps, my position is entirely based on Hyena's ISO. Before then you were just "Dyslexicon is a player who exists, maybe" to me.

Well that just makes it more annoying, cause Hyena is barking up my ass literally because "I have an idea, what if Dizzy was scum", and they know nothing about me or how I work.

Deep breath. Don't know why I always get so mad lol.

[tutuu]

more debunking of kyle's role and how it fits with my theory:

he claimed a same alignment check between two people and then a single tutuu peek

he probably has a parity cop to narrow down the role he's looking for (maybe another 3p???) and when he gets a difference check there's a chance he narrowed it down to a 3p and any other role (so the narrowing down part)

and then he has a single peek in order to see peek for the role he has to find / kill or whatever

makes sense?

omg ur such a nerd i like it

[tedxtr]

anyway, cliffs being kyle is probaaaably not a threat

maybe

[tutuu]

this is @nutella switching with jack heheheheeheh why u so cute nutella whyyyyyyy

[Timsup2nothin]

man if syn and kyle are both town i will laugh

what is this game

3 wolves dead to 4 town dead and a million town vigs and town cops and what not

and what do wolves have - nanook the mafia goon rofl

FWIW I've repeatedly suggested that is a fake flip.

[Dyslexicon]

more debunking of kyle's role and how it fits with my theory:

he claimed a same alignment check between two people and then a single tutuu peek

he probably has a parity cop to narrow down the role he's looking for (maybe another 3p???) and when he gets a difference check there's a chance he narrowed it down to a 3p and any other role (so the narrowing down part)

and then he has a single peek in order to see peek for the role he has to find / kill or whatever

makes sense?

I mean, I like it, just cause he said "unless I was roleblocked", and I think you'd know if you were roleblocked if you have an investigative ability. But I like ...haven't paid attention. But you go, girl.

[Master Radishes]

radishes being here and posting after syn revealed his check probably brings him a few points.

he may just have the WIM though (GoC et all)

syn did say that his thing isnt concrete

i think radish's reaction was scummy, i think calling out hyena of all people for not voting him was weird, wasnt he consensus town? why tinfoil hynea for TMIing u and not other ppl who werent in radish's townreads?

would have to wait until he gets back from work im curious how this goes

i have reasons to distrust syn's reads based off day talk but i have no reason to distrust syn's ability to appropriately react to mechanical insight

if things dont dramatically change im all about killing mr radishy

You're conflating my reaction to Syn with my general solving. I've been suspicious of Hyena all game and have said so on multiple occasions. I found his 'if Radish is indeed scum' curious because the wolves need to choose how to react to my wagon. Most would/should just hop on, and Hyena made a passing comment then focused on someone else entirely. I find that interesting in italics.

[tedxtr]

more debunking of kyle's role and how it fits with my theory:

he claimed a same alignment check between two people and then a single tutuu peek

he probably has a parity cop to narrow down the role he's looking for (maybe another 3p???) and when he gets a difference check there's a chance he narrowed it down to a 3p and any other role (so the narrowing down part)

and then he has a single peek in order to see peek for the role he has to find / kill or whatever

makes sense?

I mean, I like it, just cause he said "unless I was roleblocked", and I think you'd know if you were roleblocked if you have an investigative ability. But I like ...haven't paid attention. But you go, girl.

you've been mindmelding with me for a while..

[Kylemii]

kyle's original claim was "falcon and long con are same alignment unless i was roleblocked or one of them is 3p"

cool bean

okay it was LC not TSP

all these acronym people

@Kylemii Wouldn't you know if you were roleblocked, if you have an investigative role?

well.... this isn't the answer to the question you asked exactly, but I think the answer you're looking for is "no I wouldn't know if I was roleblocked"

[tutuu]

radishes being here and posting after syn revealed his check probably brings him a few points.

he may just have the WIM though (GoC et all)

syn did say that his thing isnt concrete

i think radish's reaction was scummy, i think calling out hyena of all people for not voting him was weird, wasnt he consensus town? why tinfoil hynea for TMIing u and not other ppl who werent in radish's townreads?

would have to wait until he gets back from work im curious how this goes

i have reasons to distrust syn's reads based off day talk but i have no reason to distrust syn's ability to appropriately react to mechanical insight

if things dont dramatically change im all about killing mr radishy

You're conflating my reaction to Syn with my general solving. I've been suspicious of Hyena all game and have said so on multiple occasions. I found his 'if Radish is indeed scum' curious because the wolves need to choose how to react to my wagon. Most would/should just hop on, and Hyena made a passing comment then focused on someone else entirely. I find that interesting in italics.

oh okay i didnt realize u were suspicious of hyena sowwyyyyy fwiendddd pls dont hate me =w=

[Master Radishes]

And if MR flips green, shoot me. It'll be a colossal fuck-up on my part and my town cred will be cratered.

Quoting this to find in my iso later.

[Syn]

man if syn and kyle are both town i will laugh

what is this game

3 wolves dead to 4 town dead and a million town vigs and town cops and what not

and what do wolves have - nanook the mafia goon rofl

FWIW I've repeatedly suggested that is a fake flip.

I'm not sure this is true, and I think I know why he would be vanilla goon, but I don't have anything to confirm that exactly.

And I'm not sure it matters, really. A goon is a good person to carry the kill each night, so it's not like he was a paperweight. (Depending on how Epi decided to resolve wolf actions I guess. Maybe they can do the kill and use their action.)

[Kylemii]

I never said it was a single tutuu peek lol. I also never said it was a parity check

[Justplayingitcool]

more debunking of kyle's role and how it fits with my theory:

he claimed a same alignment check between two people and then a single tutuu peek

he probably has a parity cop to narrow down the role he's looking for (maybe another 3p???) and when he gets a difference check there's a chance he narrowed it down to a 3p and any other role (so the narrowing down part)

and then he has a single peek in order to see peek for the role he has to find / kill or whatever

makes sense?

Yes

[Syn]

more debunking of kyle's role and how it fits with my theory:

he claimed a same alignment check between two people and then a single tutuu peek

he probably has a parity cop to narrow down the role he's looking for (maybe another 3p???) and when he gets a difference check there's a chance he narrowed it down to a 3p and any other role (so the narrowing down part)

and then he has a single peek in order to see peek for the role he has to find / kill or whatever

makes sense?

I mean, I like it, just cause he said "unless I was roleblocked", and I think you'd know if you were roleblocked if you have an investigative ability. But I like ...haven't paid attention. But you go, girl.

based on other roles known, not sure this is true either

jack's role involved watching how his target posts the following day

[Timsup2nothin]

more debunking of kyle's role and how it fits with my theory:

he claimed a same alignment check between two people and then a single tutuu peek

he probably has a parity cop to narrow down the role he's looking for (maybe another 3p???) and when he gets a difference check there's a chance he narrowed it down to a 3p and any other role (so the narrowing down part)

and then he has a single peek in order to see peek for the role he has to find / kill or whatever

makes sense?

I mean, I like it, just cause he said "unless I was roleblocked", and I think you'd know if you were roleblocked if you have an investigative ability. But I like ...haven't paid attention. But you go, girl.

I might have been roleblocked, and the message I got was anything but clear about it. I know my action did not happen, which was pretty obvious anyway since Tutuu was posting. I wouldn't put any weight on "he would know if he was role blocked."

[tedxtr]

I never said it was a single tutuu peek lol. I also never said it was a parity check

then what was it

[Sloonei]

Another thing: Sloonei is not mafia

glad we finally got there.

[tutuu]

i bet kyle vigged nook dude kyle is like that meme. that pornstar guy. man of many talents. firefighter, doctor, astronaut, teacher. i cant wait to read the kyle innocent child reveal

[Master Radishes]

there are no uniform standards on the site, everyone host does their own thing, u cant assume anything

if u assume stuff u will get burned

Tutuu take your own advice in reading Syn's supposed info on me.

Even he keeps saying 'if' I flip red/green because he knows he can't be 100% certain.

[tutuu]

there are no uniform standards on the site, everyone host does their own thing, u cant assume anything

if u assume stuff u will get burned

Tutuu take your own advice in reading Syn's supposed info on me.

Even he keeps saying 'if' I flip red/green because he knows he can't be 100% certain.

i know this radishy ;-;

[Justplayingitcool]

I think I know what kyle is hinting at, and if it is what I think it means then kyle + tutuu lock town

[Dyslexicon]

Trying to sort through, but probably more questions than anything.

If Radish is scum then:

Still town: Hyena (sigh), Syn, Nutella (is she alive), Jack (presumably the same Jack?), Martin (I know he's telling the truth about his claim), Made (Not sure, but I've felt him very different from the one scum game I've seen him in), JPIC (cause people say so and I have no problem with it), Tim (probably legit claim and stuff, also have no problems with Tim). In addition I haven't paid attention to either TSP or Ted very much, but I've liked what I've seen from Ted. And I forget Michelle, who seems fine to me so far, and if others doesn't have concerns, I don't either.

Special case: Tutu (I actually think if Radish is scum, him saying he doesn't want to turn on Tutu when she already has a big wagon probably points towards her being town tbh. On read, she could be anything, so it's not like I have a problem imagining her as town either).

PoE: 112 (unclear, though she could be teamed with Nanook), Sloonei (unclear, not teamed with 112, have dizzy-like concerns than I'm probably not expressing well), Wilgy (unclear, haven't seen much from him), Hollow (unclear, and haven't read any of his posts. If this was Thunal I should do better and actually get a read on her instead, cause I can do that hopefully), Kyle (3p theory?)

3p: Alison.

How does this sound?

[Syn]

there are no uniform standards on the site, everyone host does their own thing, u cant assume anything

if u assume stuff u will get burned

Tutuu take your own advice in reading Syn's supposed info on me.

Even he keeps saying 'if' I flip red/green because he knows he can't be 100% certain.

I'm just taking Tutuu's advice of being less confident!!!

[Master Radishes]

there are no uniform standards on the site, everyone host does their own thing, u cant assume anything

if u assume stuff u will get burned

Tutuu take your own advice in reading Syn's supposed info on me.

Even he keeps saying 'if' I flip red/green because he knows he can't be 100% certain.

i know this radishy ;-;

Ngl I'm feeling a little betrayed. After so vehemently refusing to scumread you despite supposed mech info suggesting you're scum I don't even get the benefit of the doubt.

[tutuu]

there are no uniform standards on the site, everyone host does their own thing, u cant assume anything

if u assume stuff u will get burned

Tutuu take your own advice in reading Syn's supposed info on me.

Even he keeps saying 'if' I flip red/green because he knows he can't be 100% certain.

I'm just taking Tutuu's advice of being less confident!!!

which i appreciate very much synnie i think its the correct and respectful approach!!!

[Dyslexicon]

Another thing: Sloonei is not mafia

glad we finally got there.

Lol. You may very well not be mafia. I'm happy to report.

[Syn]

Trying to sort through, but probably more questions than anything.

If Radish is scum then:

Still town: Hyena (sigh), Syn, Nutella (is she alive), Jack (presumably the same Jack?), Martin (I know he's telling the truth about his claim), Made (Not sure, but I've felt him very different from the one scum game I've seen him in), JPIC (cause people say so and I have no problem with it), Tim (probably legit claim and stuff, also have no problems with Tim). In addition I haven't paid attention to either TSP or Ted very much, but I've liked what I've seen from Ted. And I forget Michelle, who seems fine to me so far, and if others doesn't have concerns, I don't either.

Special case: Tutu (I actually think if Radish is scum, him saying he doesn't want to turn on Tutu when she already has a big wagon probably points towards her being town tbh. On read, she could be anything, so it's not like I have a problem imagining her as town either).

PoE: 112 (unclear, though she could be teamed with Nanook), Sloonei (unclear, not teamed with 112, have dizzy-like concerns than I'm probably not expressing well), Wilgy (unclear, haven't seen much from him), Hollow (unclear, and haven't read any of his posts. If this was Thunal I should do better and actually get a read on her instead, cause I can do that hopefully), Kyle (3p theory?)

3p: Alison.

How does this sound?

where's mr. con, long

[tutuu]

there are no uniform standards on the site, everyone host does their own thing, u cant assume anything

if u assume stuff u will get burned

Tutuu take your own advice in reading Syn's supposed info on me.

Even he keeps saying 'if' I flip red/green because he knows he can't be 100% certain.

i know this radishy ;-;

Ngl I'm feeling a little betrayed. After so vehemently refusing to scumread you despite supposed mech info suggesting you're scum I don't even get the benefit of the doubt.

nooo radish dont make me cry

[Sloonei]

My Sloonei suspicion is more interest than anything. But voting Martin and voting generally off wagon for Sloonei specifically does not sit that well with me.

If it wasn't obvious, I have given up on trying to Be Sloonei this game.

I was silenced for literally a full week, and then missed the majority of Day 3 as well. This town is doing just fine without me, so I'm content to spend my free time doing things other than sifting through ~500 post ISOs for relationship clues. I'm just hopping around and trying to chime in when I think it's worth doing so. But it feels nice to be taking it easy this game, and unless/until it becomes necessary to do more, I don't intend to change that. This is the exact gamestate I've been longing for for months: one in which I'm under no pressure to work hard.

[Master Radishes]

Trying to sort through, but probably more questions than anything.

If Radish is scum then:

Still town: Hyena (sigh), Syn, Nutella (is she alive), Jack (presumably the same Jack?), Martin (I know he's telling the truth about his claim), Made (Not sure, but I've felt him very different from the one scum game I've seen him in), JPIC (cause people say so and I have no problem with it), Tim (probably legit claim and stuff, also have no problems with Tim). In addition I haven't paid attention to either TSP or Ted very much, but I've liked what I've seen from Ted. And I forget Michelle, who seems fine to me so far, and if others doesn't have concerns, I don't either.

Special case: Tutu (I actually think if Radish is scum, him saying he doesn't want to turn on Tutu when she already has a big wagon probably points towards her being town tbh. On read, she could be anything, so it's not like I have a problem imagining her as town either).

PoE: 112 (unclear, though she could be teamed with Nanook), Sloonei (unclear, not teamed with 112, have dizzy-like concerns than I'm probably not expressing well), Wilgy (unclear, haven't seen much from him), Hollow (unclear, and haven't read any of his posts. If this was Thunal I should do better and actually get a read on her instead, cause I can do that hopefully), Kyle (3p theory?)

3p: Alison.

How does this sound?

It sounds more less like MY WORLDVIEW that I've been espousing for a long time and yet somehow I'm the wolf in all this.

Dizzy I swear on everything we've been through together I am town in this game. If you're town too I'm gonna need you to see that.

[Dyslexicon]

I might have been roleblocked, and the message I got was anything but clear about it. I know my action did not happen, which was pretty obvious anyway since Tutuu was posting. I wouldn't put any weight on "he would know if he was role blocked."

Ok, got it. (Cindy Kate can actually be pretty weird action wise, so might have to through assumptions about mech things like that out the door, yeah.)

[tutuu]

izzy I swear on everything we've been through together I am town in this game.

omgggg radishhhh....

[tedxtr]

I think I know what kyle is hinting at, and if it is what I think it means then kyle + tutuu lock town

since i didn't get it from what he said, i'm gonna quote this post and say that whatever it was you were thinking about, it's probably not a thing

[Master Radishes]

@Syn

I have a role that, shall we say, disrupts people choice of target.

N1: Nanook
N2: 112
N3: Hollowkatt