Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[tutuu]

MR is hard defending 112 saying her tone reads like normal based on 10 years of meta. Do we know anything about confirmed Radishes role?

U scumread my spaghetti mech post but u didnt read it ;-;

Yes claimed redirector-esque. N1 nook. N2 112, 112 confirmed something happened and that shes a visiting role. N3 hollowkatt, hollowkat said he is a non visiting passive role that (i think) cant be disrupted he saiid

He hasnt used the tetris roleblock yet

[tedxtr]

lol i forgot tutuu just quoted the posts saying 112 is scum

alright, yeah

[TonyStarkPrime]

tim is gonna shoot me tonight and I won't get to flame him until postgame so I'll work on compiling a legacy set later

[Justplayingitcool]

MR is hard defending 112 saying her tone reads like normal based on 10 years of meta. Do we know anything about confirmed Radishes role?

Preeeety sure MR has been calling 112 scum most of the game

[tutuu]

did nutella have 112 as hard town btw?

No she wanted 112 dead. Wagons were 112 vs jack yesterday. She switched at the last second but was on 112 before and advocated for tim to shoot ppl that included 112

[Made]

112 voted cat before mac made an argument against cat
at the time 112 was voting falcon
112 was asked why she voted cat, and she said she wanted her vote to be useful rather that voting someone she preferred (dizzy)
112 was the third vote on cat
when the wagon on cat picked up, 112 changed her vote to somewhere less useful
when 112 was wagoned day one, marmot and cat created alternate wagons (nutella & Thunnal)

112 is bad y'all wtf

this is the way

Nutella approves

[DrWilgy]

What are PoEs looking like for everyone??

Made are you mech confirmed too?

[DrWilgy]

Where the hell is Martin and what do we have on them?

[Made]

What are PoEs looking like for everyone??

Made are you mech confirmed too?

no, but like keep that on the dl

[Justplayingitcool]

Where the hell is Martin and what do we have on them?

He targeted somebody n1 (can't remember who), me at n2, and dizzy at n3.

Dizzy thinks they can corroborate what martin is saying but I didn't read too much into it

[DrWilgy]

Wilgy supecting me and his reasons are in line with what I think town Wilgy would do. He'd see the suspicion as the inevitable wolf coming after low hanging Wilgy.

This is true.

Also for the same reason I misread Hazelnut at the start of the game.

[tutuu]

Where the hell is Martin and what do we have on them?

I know u will like this

Dizzy has mech reasons to call him town

[DrWilgy]

Where the hell is Martin and what do we have on them?

I know u will like this

Dizzy has mech reasons to call him town

I fucking hate mechanics.

[DrWilgy]

Need some upset old man emoji

[tutuu]

[Made]

MR is hard defending 112 saying her tone reads like normal based on 10 years of meta. Do we know anything about confirmed Radishes role?

Preeeety sure MR has been calling 112 scum most of the game

Ur right. I been sipping on the dumb boy drink a little hard today

[Syn]

tim is gonna shoot me tonight and I won't get to flame him until postgame so I'll work on compiling a legacy set later

tim claimed his shot is 1x, so no dice

[Sloonei]

Taking a quick look at Early Day 2 and the conversation around me before and after it was noticed that I'd been silenced.

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Of course Cat might be smart enough to antispew that hard to get her read as never teammated. That'd be clever. I don't care. What I hate is that Sloonei extracted it all from him. Sloonei was coordinating the creation of the antispew.

alright im not so sure about hyena

mac bringing up sloonei is interesting i

i hate to say this but i can see it


i think it's likely one of hyena/sloon is w

Unsurprisingly, both Mac and nutella come out on Day 2 with a bit of sloonei tinfoil. We do not have nutella's role, but she is presumed town. So these are both more or less legitimate suspicions and there is zero reason to believe that either of them would have any indication that I'd been silenced. Just noting this for the sake of thread progression.

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@cat what is your point in making note of my post count?

I personally don't remember pretty much anything you've done. And you have a lot of posts.
So i thought it would be funny to point it out since you are doing the same thing.

nute's obvtown

Why? Can you explain their meta? I'd say nutella is uncomfortable in the thread.

How much have you read?

Most of it, but i've skimmed when it got too memey.

I feel as though I have been heavily involved in the progression of this game.

What reads do you have to share with us?

The ones i have.

@MacDougall You mentioned Cat might have been ruthlessly bussed and that Sloonei may be spewed wolf from Cat. Are you suggesting that Sloonei was one of the people ruthlessly bussing Cat? If so, why would they just get on the Cat wagon EoD yesterday instead of staying on me? o:

Nice to see Made wagon and me not reading anyone on it as wolf, staying here until i finish reading.
Sloonei i don't understand your question at all. Can you answer it first?

@Sloonei

I'm just asking what kind of mafia player you are. I believe this is our first time playing together (I hosted you in Simpsons, but did not follow that game super closely), so I'm just looking to understand what you're trying to do in this game right now, what sort of things you're looking for, etc.

OK that makes more sense, i thought you were telling me to do something.
I'm trying to catch up but i keep getting distracted by everything. I gave up on reading tutuu because i'm too lazy. When i read i skip memes and i look for people's thought process and trying to figure out how are they approaching the game. Hoping to vote out atleast 1 mafia this game.

That was a softball question from Sloonei compared to the questioning I got from him. And Cat still couldn't answer it without sounding awkward.

Hyena pokes at the suspicion first. Regardless of alignment, Hyena should not know I am silenced at this point so that is not a factor. The prods here are fairly straightforward, and definitely meant to goad Mac into further Sloonfoil. That is not necessarily a bad thing, but my prickly self-preservation doesn't like it much. Meh.
The second post is an observation that can be genuine, but I again don't like it. But I am the target of the suspicion, and I have a tendency to judge things more harshly when they are directed at me.

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let's see what the people think about this

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

@nutella you should vote sloonei with me

Made gets the wagon on me rolling. I think I was moving my vote around by this point, but no one had taken notice. On its own, this isn't much. But I think Made will say a few things later on that demonstrate a civilian mindset. Teasing some townie points for Made.

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Did Sloonei put a vote on me without saying anything in the thread?

Not bothered by the vote so much as him not posting when nute's doing this breakdown.

112 is the first to notice my silence, because my vote is on them (I was cycling through all the top options on the poll because they're the most visible). I'm not in love with the way these thoughts come out in two separate posts. The elaboration in Post #2 feels like the result of nerves at the optics of calling me out in Post #1. Not the best look for 112.

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[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Michelle quietly jumps on the Sloonei wagon. Noted.

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holy fucking shit is sloonei silenced.

lmfao that is uh. unfortunate but also hilarious

and also potentially deliberate


i am continuing to tunnel dont mind me

the old silence your teammate gambit, I don't buy it

Mac and nutella respond to the news that I've been silenced by suggesting that I am scum and this was a gambit to help clear me somehow. Silly, but they are both town and this was just their way of processing the information. Fun fact: I chucked my phone away in annoyance when I read nutella's post here!

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Doesn't sit right to me, I recently played a mash where an obvious tonwie was silenced and lynched in that same day.
I don't think is in the spirit of the game to lynch Sloonei today even if he may be a wolf.
Are everyone affraid to let him speak in the next day?

Michelle immediately backs off the Sloonei wagon after sliding onto it a few minutes earlier. I don't think this is a bad look.

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Who silences Sloonei here? That’s such a bizarre move

Made immediately starts trying to figure out why this happened. This post is simple and doesn't reveal much. The townie points are on their way though.

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Did Sloonei put a vote on me without saying anything in the thread?

@Long Con

he has been here and moving his vote around

Ah, the telltale sign. Good indication, Sloon!

Long Con's response is a bit stiff, rigid. He clearly did not know or expect that I would be silenced, but rather than suggesting confusion or an inclination to understand, he just makes a bland comment about my response to it. This is the forum mafia equivalent of saying "um uh um" when you're unsure what to say in a conversation.

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Who silences Sloonei here? That’s such a bizarre move

I don't think wolf Sloonei would agree to a plan of silencing. I think wolf Sloonei would prefer to silence someone else, like either to frame them or to just silence them. Like he'd hit Joseph or something.

"Well, Wolf Sloonei sure as heck didn't silence himself, I can tell you that much!" - Long Con. He's not Wrong Con, but I got beef again. Admittedly, some of this beef is colored by my response to the previous post, which I think looks like a player caught totally off guard by the news of my silencing. If Long Con is mafia, he knows A) that I am not also mafia, and B) that I have not agreed to a self-silencing, and C) his team's silencer just died, so there presumably should not be any silenced players in the game at all. A Mafia LC would presume points A and B (and possibly also C) to be obvious to everyone, but a few civilians (nutella, mac, probably Made) have been unable to arrive at the conclusion so easily. But LC, thinking it obvious, blurts out that I am unlikely to be a member of the mafia team who has agreed to a self-silence. This after being unable to produce a meaningful response to the news in the moment, possibly because he knows his team's only access to a silencing ability just got chopped on Day 1. These last two posts are a bad look for LC.

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Who silences Sloonei here? That’s such a bizarre move

Me, so that I could speak more freely without getting pushed on. <3

Hyena makes light of my silencing due to my constant hounding of him on Day 1. Gut tells me this is too carefree of an attitude for a mafia member to be displaying in this situation.

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Who silences Sloonei here? That’s such a bizarre move

why?

Wagonomics are just off. Like, when we eventually realize we’re not chopping Sloonei today, we’re going to read what he’s said and see if there’s someone there to chop. A wagon might start there, but someone will eventually say whoever that is is “too easy”, and we’ll seriously consider chopping that person when Sloonei comes back tomorrow.

If Sloonei is town, then mafia is afraid of Sloonei preemptively when they should be afraid of someone like you, Mac—given yesterday’s result

Here's where Made starts to earn his townie points. This is a very specific point about why my silencing is not sensible. This looks very much like a confused civilian trying to make sense of a bizarre new development, and how it fits into the game as a whole.

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LOL Hyena is surely joking.

We interrupt Made's prolific pondering to bring you LC still having nothing to say.

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But yeah, mafia theory for Sloonei silence doesn’t make sense, but neither does the town one. Town normally mutes sus players right?

Contrary to LC having nothing to say, here is Made arriving at the conclusion that no theory about my silencing makes sense, but only after demonstrating his fairly nuanced thought process. He is also not wrong.

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Wasn’t cat the silencer anyway? It’s weird.

Jack, another confirmed townie, is the first to point out that the silencer is dead.

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Wasn’t cat the silencer anyway? It’s weird.

Okay new theory. Sloonei was muted by a role recycler type.

And Made posits the role recycler theory. He is once again not wrong.

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Wasn’t cat the silencer anyway? It’s weird.

LOL totally missed that

Wasn’t cat the silencer anyway? It’s weird.

Okay new theory. Sloonei was muted by a role recycler type.

yeah probably a mafia backup sorta deal

Nutella is the first to suggest a mafia backup, so... a lot of the major points that I was looking for here were introduced by players we already know/presume to be town. Hooray. At least I've gotten solid LC and Made reads out of the exercise.

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@MacDougall

Cat spew

Thunal town
Tutuu slightly town
Sloonei slightly mafia

That's my spew reads

alright im not so sure about hyena

mac bringing up sloonei is interesting i

i hate to say this but i can see it


i think it's likely one of hyena/sloon is w

Mac bringing up Sloonei early in the day before anyone noticed that Sloonei could be silenced makes me think that Mac wanted to make everyone notice early that Sloonei could be silenced. Thus, I think Mac could have had a part in deciding to silence Sloonei.

I have no idea what Hyena is talking about here RE: Mac, but I don't know if I see this post coming from a mafier here.

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He appears to be silenced


Also I tunneled him at sod it was fun

Wasn’t that cat’s role

Maybe mafia have a backup

Nanook also gets the news late, and doesn't seem to know how to respond. This is not too dissimilar to Long Con's response. We know nanook was bad.

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The silence on sloonei could easily be a paranoid bat owner rather than an active silencer

JPIC suggests I targeted a passive silencer. A new theory to the fold. This is one that could come from either alignment. It exists.

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so what's the deal with Sloonei? he's silenced? we know this how?

so what's the deal with Sloonei? he's silenced? we know this how?

he keeps moving his vote around so he's here but hasn't posted

I think when I got muted in UPick it was announced in the thread. Is there any reason Sloonei would fake being muted, other than the obvious "wolf targets are town" assumptions that such fakery would produce?

Tim arrives late as well, but doesn't waste time trying to get to the bottom of it. Post #1 is seeking information, and Post #2 is a thoughtful question based on his own previous experience with being silenced on The Syndicate. Not a bad look for Tim.

tl;dr: Long Con looks bad. Made looks good. 112 might look a little bad.
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

and with that i'll turn the mic back over to my cool, laid back compadre.

[tutuu]

@Kylemii pls make sure u place ur vote appropriately and steal a potential scum power role

[tedxtr]

lolsloonei

[DrWilgy]

PoE
112 > Michelle > Sloonei > Syn

for now.

What happened to Falcon and what's the deal with Alison, are they still a 3p of interest or are they kinda just chillin like kyle?

[Justplayingitcool]

@Sloonei

Do you not think LC is mech cleared with tetris?

[tutuu]

@Sloonei before i skim that, are u aware that
1) kyle mech town info on LC
2) LC played tetris with marmot d2?

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei before i skim that, are u aware that
1) kyle mech town info on LC
2) LC played tetris with marmot d2?

Nope.

[Made]

PoE
112 > Michelle > Sloonei > Syn

for now.

What happened to Falcon and what's the deal with Alison, are they still a 3p of interest or are they kinda just chillin like kyle?

Falcon died lmao

[Sloonei]

What is kyle’s mech info on LC?

[DrWilgy]

kek

[Justplayingitcool]

What is kyle’s mech info on LC?

Claimed that LC + falcon are very likely to be same alignment

[hollowkatt]

I also think HK is spewed pretty town

kinda been counting on that tbh

Wasn't there some sus on you recently? what was the deal with that?

Depending on who you talk to I've been in and out of POE for the last couple of days. Some people are town reading me, some town read my slot before me but aren't sure about my posting, and some people aren't expressing opinions. tbh I haven't really been fighting anyone off, and I don't think I've gotten a wagon much higher than 3-4.
I don't think I'm in any danger of being flashed and I'm definitely not in any danger of being hard wagoned throughout a full game day, at least from my perspective anyways

[Long Con]

How dare you Sloonei?

[DrWilgy]

and LC is just a villager, so one of your only pushes being a villager doesn't look too good

Why is LC just a villager?

Because he was hit with the marmot tetris role, and no one else has cc'd!

If scum decided to hit LC for the 101 Galaxy brain strats then lol

[DrWilgy]

This time I get to relay the mechanic question! huzzah!

[hollowkatt]

Something made michelle be unable to receive votes on d2 (she wasnt in the poll) and it wasnt a host error

This hasnt occured again to my knowledge unless we missed it

Why only on day 2 (so probably used on night 1) and why michelle

Also the ability probably doesnt count from town unless it comes from herself and if shes town

doesn't that open up to a lot of wifom though?
Like ok, Michelle couldn't be voted for D2 and if you're right that it doesn't come from town wouldn't that mean that wolves thought on N1 that Michelle was a likely chop D2?
Does the play on D1 (that I haven't read at all) indicate that would be correct?

Also, like the wifom angle is that sure, the ability doesn't come from town, but isn't prevented from being used on town to make them look sus later, right?

[tutuu]

I dont think the tetris is that clearing u can lose on purpose and make scum LC a scum roleblocker and look towny when marmot dies but kyles info is the biggest factor for me

Kyle did also kill us a wolf and falcon flipped town so

[tutuu]

Something made michelle be unable to receive votes on d2 (she wasnt in the poll) and it wasnt a host error

This hasnt occured again to my knowledge unless we missed it

Why only on day 2 (so probably used on night 1) and why michelle

Also the ability probably doesnt count from town unless it comes from herself and if shes town

doesn't that open up to a lot of wifom though?
Like ok, Michelle couldn't be voted for D2 and if you're right that it doesn't come from town wouldn't that mean that wolves thought on N1 that Michelle was a likely chop D2?
Does the play on D1 (that I haven't read at all) indicate that would be correct?

Also, like the wifom angle is that sure, the ability doesn't come from town, but isn't prevented from being used on town to make them look sus later, right?

Yea i was just wondering

[Sloonei]

Alright fine. I’m willing to [VOTE: 112] aubergine now, I guess.

[Syn]

I dont think the tetris is that clearing u can lose on purpose and make scum LC a scum roleblocker and look towny when marmot dies but kyles info is the biggest factor for me

Kyle did also kill us a wolf and falcon flipped town so

yes, giving scum a roleblock if they don't have one natively is a net good for wolves

[Made]

ScumBucket:
version 1.D3.2.1

MasterRadishes
Sloonei
Dizzy
LC
Tutuu
112
Nanook
Wilgy
HK
Falcon
Hyena
Syn
Tim

1.D3.2.1 Change Log
removed LC: Magic Kyle being Magical. (imo Tetris isn't enough to clear in of itself0
1.D3.2 Change Log
remove tutuu: probably green checked by some sort of kyle magic

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1.D3.1 Change Log

removed 112: Meta doesn't read like previous scum game. Also voted cat, and then when it hit 9-10 vote changed vote away from cat like a madlad
added Dizzy: If 112 is town, then Dizzy looks sus for susing 112's cat vote EOD1

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1.D3.0.1 Change Log
formatting fix
Removed nanook(he died lmao), Wilgy (he be vibin)
Added Tutuu, Sloonei, LC

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1.D2.3 Bucket updated with reasoning for removal
Nanook- he died
Hk/Thunal- this is who cat and marmot pushed when seemingly defending someone. I don't think this slot is bad for the same reason Nutella looks good here
falcon- playing consistent to meta, and Marmot left his vote on him for almost all of D2 with intention to push. Probably just town
Hyena- Sufficiently not involved enough in this situation for me to sus. Vote at time of podrace was on Made, i'm cool with that for now.
Syn- got voted by marmot during Cat wagon, voted Marmot first. probably just town.
Tim- spewed by marmot. this and other reasons, probably just town

Don’t ask me when, but LC was cleared by Kyle???

[Justplayingitcool]

I dont think the tetris is that clearing u can lose on purpose and make scum LC a scum roleblocker and look towny when marmot dies but kyles info is the biggest factor for me

Kyle did also kill us a wolf and falcon flipped town so

Fair point.

[Justplayingitcool]

I still don't really get the MR scum reads tbh

[tutuu]

@Kylemii can u say if u targeted LC n1 or n2?

If u targeted him n1 i think we can safely never worry about LC

If u targeted him n2 then i think this scenario is possible:

Marmot challenges scum!LC to tetris with the intent to lose on purpose and he loses

LC gains roleblock n2

LC roleblocks kyle n2

Kyles funky role results get messed up (he said roleblocks and 3p mess it up)

So this is the only scenario in which LC could be mafia i think

[tutuu]

Or well i guess even if he targeted lc n1 it could get messed up but we would need to see the full flip of his absurd role

[Sloonei]

I put on my fancy scum hunting crown and feel stoked to have caught big bad LC and then y'all are immediately just like "actually he's mech cleared." Can you at least hang my work up on the fridge and tell me you're proud of me?

[DrWilgy]

I put on my fancy scum hunting crown and feel stoked to have caught big bad LC and then y'all are immediately just like "actually he's mech cleared." Can you at least hang my work up on the fridge and tell me you're proud of me?

Sloonbread, I'm always proud of you

[Michelle]

<snip>

Which champion will you retire today?
Poll runs till Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:00 am

112 1 Thunal33
Alison 2 falcon45ca, Hyena
DrWilgy 2 MacDougall, nutella
Hyena 3 tutuu, Sloonei, DrWilgy
Made 1 cat
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 1 112
nutella 1 Syn
tutuu 2 Made, Michelle
No vote 2 TonyStarkPrime, Timsup2nothin

Nutella and Mac scum read early in the game Dr.W, i don't think I need to dig too much to vote there now

[VOTE: Dr.W] aubergine

Darnnit Michelle. You qtpatootie, can't even sus you when you throw such a bad vote.

'I'll sheep these people' - qt

Don't talk about me like this please, i am a serious person

Oh well.

Legacy:
Yeet LC, Yeet Michelle.

Throw Sloonei overboard if I'm wrong on both of these.

Good Luck! <3

With mech info about LC and my own knowledge i am town we have to yeet Sloonei? Idk man, looks like your legacy is not townish

Moving vote to MR for now.

Someone talk to me about what mechanically we have. It'll be very unlikely that I catch up.

Again, what's Michelle's status?

michelle is only posting vc afaict, starting to lose that early towncred

and clears are lc aaaand that's it?

I didn't deserve any town cred, that's why i am very sus of tutuu who put me as top townie.
Idk what are you talking about

So out of the votes on me, there's no way they are all civ right?

No big wagon slow built is usually clean so i agree

[tutuu]

I put on my fancy scum hunting crown and feel stoked to have caught big bad LC and then y'all are immediately just like "actually he's mech cleared." Can you at least hang my work up on the fridge and tell me you're proud of me?

patpat we appreciate the effort ur a cute one

[DrWilgy]

And if it's any consolation, I was feeling like I caught scum LC all game until afew hours ago until the same thing happened.

[Michelle]

I have to read few posts, just came home from work

[Michelle]

I put on my fancy scum hunting crown and feel stoked to have caught big bad LC and then y'all are immediately just like "actually he's mech cleared." Can you at least hang my work up on the fridge and tell me you're proud of me?

patpat we appreciate the effort ur a cute one

Wait LC is not cleared?

[tutuu]

Not 100% or 100% depending on kyles exact role abilities and whether or not he was roleblocked