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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
At least the power was already spent. I am now less concerned.
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
Hi Tim, I acknowledge you've posted about me.
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
If there's a redirector then LC and tutuu are back on the table.
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
And following up with the idea of putting LC and Tutuu back on the table kinda sucks.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:12 pm Notice how Radishes is super eager about getting people to claim, but any time he says anything about his own powers and how he used them there is just a gigantic ball of confusion that ends with him suggesting that someone in the ball of confusion is lying?
I'm getting the impression that Dizzy and Wilgy are both town.
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
If it's a redirector then it would have to be mafia, but then how do you explain why mafia targeted tutuu for the thrown ball? That really seems bizarre.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:15 pm If there's a redirector then LC and tutuu are back on the table.
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
Sloonei went full sloonbot on LC. They are not w/w. I don't think it's in Slooneis MO to derpclear a teammate via super bus based on unknown information.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:15 pm If there's a redirector then LC and tutuu are back on the table.
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
tutuu is probably still fine, the night I targeted her I also targeted nanookMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:15 pm If there's a redirector then LC and tutuu are back on the table.
I guess that's something only alison could answer about
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
for clarity, wilgy was redirected twice last night and according to ted I was redirected once?
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
me or all targets on ted were redirected* is that all correct
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
I kind of don't think Wilgy is scum tbh.
He could lie, I guess. But why make it so complicated. Also, I don't think he just pretended to not remember or understand my full claim, cause I've kind of spread it out here and there, only to pretend he got the full role and claim it on Michelle as a whole plot device. Seems too complicated. I think there is a red thread of something that actually happened here.
I'm also reading that Made is claiming yeet proof, and I just think that sounds not town in general. I don't know. I've been ok with Made most of the game though. Should probably read up on things before pointing fingers.
I'll do Sloonei spew at some point.
He could lie, I guess. But why make it so complicated. Also, I don't think he just pretended to not remember or understand my full claim, cause I've kind of spread it out here and there, only to pretend he got the full role and claim it on Michelle as a whole plot device. Seems too complicated. I think there is a red thread of something that actually happened here.
I'm also reading that Made is claiming yeet proof, and I just think that sounds not town in general. I don't know. I've been ok with Made most of the game though. Should probably read up on things before pointing fingers.
I'll do Sloonei spew at some point.
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
I think if Kyle was redirected it can't be on the night of LC,otherwise he would've been dinged later.
Maybe the nights he checked tutuu or Ted though.
Maybe the nights he checked tutuu or Ted though.
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
What if there's a role that scrambles all actions on one particular night?
I feel there's too much weirdness going on right now.
Did Wilgy target Michelle on N4?
I feel there's too much weirdness going on right now.
Did Wilgy target Michelle on N4?
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
Sure. I have a modal power that I can choose between that affects others.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:17 pmI'm still a bit confused as to what has happened and how you became a role checker. Could you please explain what your original role was, when you holstered?
But what you found was my role, and I have already claimed it.
1. Target becomes a rolechecker
2. Target and I gain BTSC
I holstered early as I didn't want to give the power out willy-nilly
Kyle turned my power back on me turning me into a rolechecker
I checked Michelle which revealed your role apparently (I was not aware that you had claimed previously)
MR used their power to turn my power back on me again and I am currently still a rolechecker
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
I mean only alison could answer about it because it depends on how the powers work
I don't remember the specifics but in the gambit demon game I wasn't able to use the power I was given by the gambit demon (a role block) against the gambit demon because blocking their role would block the block I used because it came from LC
I don't remember the specifics but in the gambit demon game I wasn't able to use the power I was given by the gambit demon (a role block) against the gambit demon because blocking their role would block the block I used because it came from LC
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
Alright, thanks. That's a weird power lol. This game seems to be full of them. I do believe your claim though.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:21 pmSure. I have a modal power that I can choose between that affects others.
1. Target becomes a rolechecker
2. Target and I gain BTSC
I holstered early as I didn't want to give the power out willy-nilly
Kyle turned my power back on me turning me into a rolechecker
I checked Michelle which revealed your role apparently (I was not aware that you had claimed previously)
MR used their power to turn my power back on me again and I am currently still a rolechecker
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
MR does have a redirection role though. I think he has claimed it makes the target target themselves?
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
Let it be known that I hate redirection roles of all kind
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
Yeah. Which is why I pushed Wilgy to out his check of Michelle, seeing as he should've checked himself. But I do believe him.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:25 pm MR does have a redirection role though. I think he has claimed it makes the target target themselves?
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
What night did Wilgy target Michelle?
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
What I'm processing now is this:
I can validate that MR is being honest with his redirect of me onto me.
Does w/MR claim that in hopes that the chaos would plunge the game further, or does t/MR claim that wanting to clarify wtf happened?
Further, why does MR wait until now?
I can validate that MR is being honest with his redirect of me onto me.
Does w/MR claim that in hopes that the chaos would plunge the game further, or does t/MR claim that wanting to clarify wtf happened?
Further, why does MR wait until now?
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
I've been softing it all day.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:27 pm What I'm processing now is this:
I can validate that MR is being honest with his redirect of me onto me.
Does w/MR claim that in hopes that the chaos would plunge the game further, or does t/MR claim that wanting to clarify wtf happened?
Further, why does MR wait until now?
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
Last night. N5.
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
Well, more so what about previous days?Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:28 pmI've been softing it all day.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:27 pm What I'm processing now is this:
I can validate that MR is being honest with his redirect of me onto me.
Does w/MR claim that in hopes that the chaos would plunge the game further, or does t/MR claim that wanting to clarify wtf happened?
Further, why does MR wait until now?
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
I'm fine with that. We'll chop you today and chop michelle tomorrow based on her and you being shady today.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:59 amI'll take it to the grave then.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:57 amor, you can die I guess?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:10 amNot without Michelle's consent.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:14 amThere was no 'we'. That was Made's theory.
Are you gonna tell me what you found out about Michelle's role?
thoughts on that?
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
What about them? My role has been out for awhile now.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:29 pmWell, more so what about previous days?Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:28 pmI've been softing it all day.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:27 pm What I'm processing now is this:
I can validate that MR is being honest with his redirect of me onto me.
Does w/MR claim that in hopes that the chaos would plunge the game further, or does t/MR claim that wanting to clarify wtf happened?
Further, why does MR wait until now?
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
secondedJustplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:26 pm Let it be known that I hate redirection roles of all kind
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
please catch up <3hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:29 pmI'm fine with that. We'll chop you today and chop michelle tomorrow based on her and you being shady today.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:59 amI'll take it to the grave then.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:57 amor, you can die I guess?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:10 amNot without Michelle's consent.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:14 amThere was no 'we'. That was Made's theory.
Are you gonna tell me what you found out about Michelle's role?
thoughts on that?
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
So there seems to have been a redirect on Kyle (or something else happened) on N4, since he got a ding ding ding on Ted who is probably 3p.
And there seems to have been a redirect to me on N5.
But why spend a redirect on Wilgy when there's a claimed cop and doctor in the game?
This is all confusing. I'm sure that's the pain you all have been feeling though.
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
Like, what did you do previously? I've stated my details at least 3 times just this day cycle. You can explain to me at least 1 more time.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:29 pmWhat about them? My role has been out for awhile now.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:29 pmWell, more so what about previous days?Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:28 pmI've been softing it all day.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:27 pm What I'm processing now is this:
I can validate that MR is being honest with his redirect of me onto me.
Does w/MR claim that in hopes that the chaos would plunge the game further, or does t/MR claim that wanting to clarify wtf happened?
Further, why does MR wait until now?
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
N1 NanookDrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:31 pmLike, what did you do previously? I've stated my details at least 3 times just this day cycle. You can explain to me at least 1 more time.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:29 pmWhat about them? My role has been out for awhile now.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:29 pmWell, more so what about previous days?Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:28 pmI've been softing it all day.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:27 pm What I'm processing now is this:
I can validate that MR is being honest with his redirect of me onto me.
Does w/MR claim that in hopes that the chaos would plunge the game further, or does t/MR claim that wanting to clarify wtf happened?
Further, why does MR wait until now?
N2 112
N3 HK
N4 Ted
N5 Wilgy
112 confirmed something happened to them that Night. HK says his role is passive and wouldn't be affected. Ted was jailkept too so dunno what happened there.
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
unbelievableJustplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 12:43 pm So I guess that's our first evidence of redirection then? Which sort of bolsters that kyle could have been redirected from ted as well
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
I mean, it could just be a matter of action order. Maybe Wilgy's action has priority over redirect, though that seems a bit weird. But we don't know.
I'm sure it'll all make sense in the end lol
I'm sure it'll all make sense in the end lol
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
so i've ran through the whole ordeal and got none of it
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
can anybody explain how it's not feasible wilgy is a mafia rolecop and he may be telling half the truth about his claim?
i don't get why everyone switched their votes. he could've just rolecopped michelle as stated, and then whatever redirects don't prove he's town at all.
i don't get why everyone switched their votes. he could've just rolecopped michelle as stated, and then whatever redirects don't prove he's town at all.
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
It is feasible. But he did get my result. I believe that.tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:39 pm can anybody explain how it's not feasible wilgy is a mafia rolecop and he may be telling half the truth about his claim?
i don't get why everyone switched their votes. he could've just rolecopped michelle as stated, and then whatever redirects don't prove he's town at all.
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
Dinner time, i will play asap
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
Wait @tedxtr did you say what happened to the strongman you claimed?
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
The Michelle target was last night or the prior night?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:21 pmSure. I have a modal power that I can choose between that affects others.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:17 pmI'm still a bit confused as to what has happened and how you became a role checker. Could you please explain what your original role was, when you holstered?
But what you found was my role, and I have already claimed it.
1. Target becomes a rolechecker
2. Target and I gain BTSC
I holstered early as I didn't want to give the power out willy-nilly
Kyle turned my power back on me turning me into a rolechecker
I checked Michelle which revealed your role apparently (I was not aware that you had claimed previously)
MR used their power to turn my power back on me again and I am currently still a rolechecker
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
i've directly quoted you / mentioned you telling you that you had it wrong from the get go and explained how it worksDyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:40 pm Wait @tedxtr did you say what happened to the strongman you claimed?
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
gj villagers, keep on yeeting the role that kills a mafia role.
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
he got your result...as in... your role?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:40 pmIt is feasible. But he did get my result. I believe that.tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:39 pm can anybody explain how it's not feasible wilgy is a mafia rolecop and he may be telling half the truth about his claim?
i don't get why everyone switched their votes. he could've just rolecopped michelle as stated, and then whatever redirects don't prove he's town at all.
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
dizzy you seem to be the only person that probably has the amount of experience to understand that i'm most likely legit in all worlds and that's currently voting me
any way i can make you change your vote?
any way i can make you change your vote?
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
He says "well, if there's a redirector then..."Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:16 pmAnd following up with the idea of putting LC and Tutuu back on the table kinda sucks.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:12 pm Notice how Radishes is super eager about getting people to claim, but any time he says anything about his own powers and how he used them there is just a gigantic ball of confusion that ends with him suggesting that someone in the ball of confusion is lying?
I'm getting the impression that Dizzy and Wilgy are both town.
And HE is a redirector.
But since he never provides clear answers on whether his did or did not do the redirect on Kyle we are in fact left wondering about whether LC and/or Tutuu really should be "on the table."
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 6]
On the contrary, redirection roles at 1000% necessary for role madness to work.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:26 pm Let it be known that I hate redirection roles of all kind
Cops, trackers, doctors, blockers, jailkeeps, etc are all super freaking powerful. On top of just having the ability to stop kills or make wolf yeets way more likely, townies tend to claim, use and react to mechanical stuff in a townie way. See: Wilgy and Dizzy today.
There's only two ways you can counter this as a host.
First, by giving the wolves a bunch of equally dangerous mechanical abilities. This can be fun in big games but in practice, leads to a lot of games that are imbalanced because the host improperly judges the sheer power of the roles on each side. Maybe your wolf conditional vigilante gets yeeted D1. Maybe they manage to get an extra kill off every night. Maybe your players don't appreciate that don cloak. Maybe wolves still just have no way to get a misyeet. This method is iffy.
Second, you can counter it by giving out redirection powers, especially town random redirectors on top of wolves targeted redirectors (controllers, commanders, controlled misdirectors, whatever you wanna call them) and busdrivers. The town is VERY likely to trip over itself with incorrect information, outting power roles and getting misyeets. Every cop check is a potential error. Every track could be wrong. Roles that default to unchoppable 100% accuracy wolf catchers become choppable and have a 75% accuracy instead. You get everything good about role madness while mitigating the bad.
Redirection roles are the key to good role madness.