Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[Jackofhearts2005]

how important is it to thoroughly understand the roles in this game

Oh not very. Just great the game like mountainous tbh.

[Gavial]

Also, may I note that I'm obviously not on Esooa's team after that Day 1 exchange?

I’d have to look at the interaction, but that only clears you of not being Vault City where the main scum faction is Enclave.

[Sloonei]

what happened to your read on foresight?

He reads like he wants to die, and his volatility doesn't make sense to me. I have been reading him as Frustrated Town In A New Environment, and a big part of me still sees it that way, but there is also a part of me that thinks he's mafia who does not believe he is capable of overcoming the early pressure he has faced, and so he has tried to draw as much attention to himself to keep us from identifying any of his partners too easily. I didn't think any of the things he said to/about Alison made sense last night, for instance.

Like, I am unclear on why you suggest you need to look into this more, or why this post is unclear. This is a pretty straightforward summary of my progression on c4 from the start of Day 1 to the end. He was town, then he looked like wanted to die, and the best way I could make sense of that was in a world where he was mafia, but I otherwise read him as town.

at staypositivefriend

[MacDougall]

Let the Sloonei tunneling commence

[MacDougall]

I have placed by vote on Sloonei.

I will make no further posts.

If you want to throw don't sheep me.

[Gavial]

how important is it to thoroughly understand the roles in this game

50/50.
Depends how you want to go about this thread.

[DaughterOfOmega]

Awkward timing, but I was going to say Sloony is super town

[Gavial]

I have placed by vote on Sloonei.

I will make no further posts.

If you want to throw don't sheep me.

What if I want to throw?

[Sloonei]

Awkward timing, but I was going to say Sloony is super town

I do not feel super about anything I have done here.

[DaughterOfOmega]

Awkward timing, but I was going to say Sloony is super town

I do not feel super about anything I have done here.

You have a Brady pfp.

[Gavial]

Awkward timing, but I was going to say Sloony is super town

Ah trying to go for the pocket I see.

[Kylemii]

20 caps to anyone who tells me about 1 thing that happened during day 1 or 0, even without any context

[Sloonei]

Awkward timing, but I was going to say Sloony is super town

I do not feel super about anything I have done here.

You have a Brady pfp.

That was for a previous game, it's just a holdover now.

[staypositivefriend]

what happened to your read on foresight?

He reads like he wants to die, and his volatility doesn't make sense to me. I have been reading him as Frustrated Town In A New Environment, and a big part of me still sees it that way, but there is also a part of me that thinks he's mafia who does not believe he is capable of overcoming the early pressure he has faced, and so he has tried to draw as much attention to himself to keep us from identifying any of his partners too easily. I didn't think any of the things he said to/about Alison made sense last night, for instance.

Like, I am unclear on why you suggest you need to look into this more, or why this post is unclear. This is a pretty straightforward summary of my progression on c4 from the start of Day 1 to the end. He was town, then he looked like wanted to die, and the best way I could make sense of that was in a world where he was mafia, but I otherwise read him as town.

at staypositivefriend

i struggle to understand how your progression went from: "c4 is hard town" to "c4 wants to die, so he might just be scum drawing attention away from his partners". that seems like a pretty big leap in logic for you to take, especially given how confident you were about c4 being town up until that point

perhaps it stems from the fact that the meta on my homesite is full of players that constantly ask to die - and it's almost never inherently scum-indicative behavior (if anything, it's usually town indicative). for you to take something as simple as: "this player is frustrated and wants to die" and use it as reasoning to back off of one of your strongest townreads is a progression that i have a lot of trouble connecting with

and even if you justify your progression to me, surely you can understand why i found it puzzling in the first place! the fact that you're acting like it's suspicious for me to ask you about this is fairly baffling to me

[Sloonei]

Awkward timing, but I was going to say Sloony is super town

Ah trying to go for the pocket I see.

what is happening in this game as far as you can tell, choppy?

[Sloonei]

what happened to your read on foresight?

He reads like he wants to die, and his volatility doesn't make sense to me. I have been reading him as Frustrated Town In A New Environment, and a big part of me still sees it that way, but there is also a part of me that thinks he's mafia who does not believe he is capable of overcoming the early pressure he has faced, and so he has tried to draw as much attention to himself to keep us from identifying any of his partners too easily. I didn't think any of the things he said to/about Alison made sense last night, for instance.

Like, I am unclear on why you suggest you need to look into this more, or why this post is unclear. This is a pretty straightforward summary of my progression on c4 from the start of Day 1 to the end. He was town, then he looked like wanted to die, and the best way I could make sense of that was in a world where he was mafia, but I otherwise read him as town.

at staypositivefriend

i struggle to understand how your progression went from: "c4 is hard town" to "c4 wants to die, so he might just be scum drawing attention away from his partners". that seems like a pretty big leap in logic for you to take, especially given how confident you were about c4 being town up until that point

perhaps it stems from the fact that the meta on my homesite is full of players that constantly ask to die - and it's almost never inherently scum-indicative behavior (if anything, it's usually town indicative). for you to take something as simple as: "this player is frustrated and wants to die" and use it as reasoning to back off of one of your strongest townreads is a progression that i have a lot of trouble connecting with

and even if you justify your progression to me, surely you can understand why i found it puzzling in the first place! the fact that you're acting like it's suspicious for me to ask you about this is fairly baffling to me

Because when I say he "wanted to die" I do not mean that he had given up on the game. It looked like he wanted to die, but was acting like he was still fighting. He was saying his chop was inevitable (it wasn't) but that he wanted to keep working on clearing people, and he was continuing to fight with people, but all of it looked staged and, I felt, over the top. He "wanted to die" in the sense that he was trying to set his teammates up to not be linked to him moving forward.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: No elimination] aubergine

Wait for info.

[Long Con]

and more importantly, you dont townread me when i should be incredibly clearly threadspewed as town. i don't feel that i'm speaking from a place of ego when i say that - it just seems obvious at this point

How so?

it feels less obvious if i have to explain it

I think you'd best go with "less obvious" and let the chips fall where they may.

Also, may I note that I'm obviously not on Esooa's team after that Day 1 exchange?

I’d have to look at the interaction, but that only clears you of not being Vault City where the main scum faction is Enclave.

Fair.

[staypositivefriend]

what happened to your read on foresight?

He reads like he wants to die, and his volatility doesn't make sense to me. I have been reading him as Frustrated Town In A New Environment, and a big part of me still sees it that way, but there is also a part of me that thinks he's mafia who does not believe he is capable of overcoming the early pressure he has faced, and so he has tried to draw as much attention to himself to keep us from identifying any of his partners too easily. I didn't think any of the things he said to/about Alison made sense last night, for instance.

Like, I am unclear on why you suggest you need to look into this more, or why this post is unclear. This is a pretty straightforward summary of my progression on c4 from the start of Day 1 to the end. He was town, then he looked like wanted to die, and the best way I could make sense of that was in a world where he was mafia, but I otherwise read him as town.

at staypositivefriend

i struggle to understand how your progression went from: "c4 is hard town" to "c4 wants to die, so he might just be scum drawing attention away from his partners". that seems like a pretty big leap in logic for you to take, especially given how confident you were about c4 being town up until that point

perhaps it stems from the fact that the meta on my homesite is full of players that constantly ask to die - and it's almost never inherently scum-indicative behavior (if anything, it's usually town indicative). for you to take something as simple as: "this player is frustrated and wants to die" and use it as reasoning to back off of one of your strongest townreads is a progression that i have a lot of trouble connecting with

and even if you justify your progression to me, surely you can understand why i found it puzzling in the first place! the fact that you're acting like it's suspicious for me to ask you about this is fairly baffling to me

Because when I say he "wanted to die" I do not mean that he had given up on the game. It looked like he wanted to die, but was acting like he was still fighting. He was saying his chop was inevitable (it wasn't) but that he wanted to keep working on clearing people, and he was continuing to fight with people, but all of it looked staged and, I felt, over the top. He "wanted to die" in the sense that he was trying to set his teammates up to not be linked to him moving forward.

this line of reasoning makes sense to me on a certain level, but i would find it more easy to swallow if you didn't carry such an underlying level of confidence that the c4 slot was town up until that point

and the fact that you appear to bre voting me for questioning you about an understandably difficult to believe progression is not doing very much to help me believe that your reads are coming from a pure place

[Long Con]

@Jackofhearts2005 start here: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 76#p736276

[Jackofhearts2005]

20 caps to anyone who tells me about 1 thing that happened during day 1 or 0, even without any context

We have C4 several nicknames and then he died.

[Sloonei]

this line of reasoning makes sense to me on a certain level, but i would find it more easy to swallow if you didn't carry such an underlying level of confidence that the c4 slot was town up until that point

and the fact that you appear to bre voting me for questioning you about an understandably difficult to believe progression is not doing very much to help me believe that your reads are coming from a pure place

It was Day 1, c4 is someone I've never met before, and he played weird. I thought he looked very good early on, but his response to pressure was a concern. It made me question my read.

I am voting you because I have been unsure about the validity of this concern, and I never got a comfortable sense that you were town on Day 1.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Jackofhearts2005 start here: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 76#p736276

I don’t see anything in here that says you can’t be teammates.

But I don’t think scum LC does that performance and then turns around and shit I’m at 1% battery just a sec

[Gavial]

20 caps to anyone who tells me about 1 thing that happened during day 1 or 0, even without any context

The person that got eliminated soft defended me by voting Tony who was voting me.

[Gavial]

Awkward timing, but I was going to say Sloony is super town

I do not feel super about anything I have done here.

You have a Brady pfp.

Yes, Brady pfp’s are AI.

[Long Con]

@Jackofhearts2005 start here: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 76#p736276

I don’t see anything in here that says you can’t be teammates.

But I don’t think scum LC does that performance and then turns around and shit I’m at 1% battery just a sec

It felt real to me.

[Gavial]

Still think Jack could easily be scum here but I’m not gonna rush the gun on anything yet.

[Poison]

I can't believe I finally changed my mind on Esooa.

Nice

[Sloonei]

Still think Jack could easily be scum here but I’m not gonna rush the gun on anything yet.

what are you waiting for?

[Poison]

Good morning people.

[Gavial]

@Jackofhearts2005 start here: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 76#p736276

I don’t see anything in here that says you can’t be teammates.

But I don’t think scum LC does that performance and then turns around and shit I’m at 1% battery just a sec

Eyyyyyy
Hello fellow Mobile User!

[Gavial]

Good morning people.

If you dare poison me, you’ll end up like the other guy.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Jackofhearts2005 start here: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 76#p736276

I don’t see anything in here that says you can’t be teammates.

But I don’t think scum LC does that performance and then turns around and shit I’m at 1% battery just a sec

It felt real to me.

Super close call. Phone shut down right afterwards.

Anyway, as I was saying, I don’t see anything in here that says you can’t be teammates.

But I don’t think scum LC does that performance and then turns around and go "look how good my theatre is" and I don't think other wolf team LC starts D2 like "look how I'm spewed as not the other wolf faction."

[Poison]

Still think Jack could easily be scum here but I’m not gonna rush the gun on anything yet.

Why not? Isn't your name "chop chop"?

[Gavial]

That Gal that almost had me pocketed.

[staypositivefriend]

this line of reasoning makes sense to me on a certain level, but i would find it more easy to swallow if you didn't carry such an underlying level of confidence that the c4 slot was town up until that point

and the fact that you appear to bre voting me for questioning you about an understandably difficult to believe progression is not doing very much to help me believe that your reads are coming from a pure place

It was Day 1, c4 is someone I've never met before, and he played weird. I thought he looked very good early on, but his response to pressure was a concern. It made me question my read.

I am voting you because I have been unsure about the validity of this concern, and I never got a comfortable sense that you were town on Day 1.

this was my first game with c4 as well (i believe). i agreed with you that he was acting weird, and i actually mentioned at some point on d1 that i was struggling to defend my townread on him when he was playing in such a self-defeating way

even so, i felt the emotion that he was giving out in the specific exchange with alison that you're referencing was actually town-indicative - i pointed it out at the exact moment it happened, so you can know that i'm not making up that read to make my suspicion of you more legitimate

from my point of view, d1 progressed like this:

me and you both start out hard townreading c4, who drops a number of strong towntells throughout early d1. as the momentum on c4 increases and he becomes the leading wagon, i continue to townlean c4, and you appear to drop your townlean on c4 for reasons that i struggle to really understand/rationalize. (again, the specific thing that you found suspicious from c4 is the exact thing that i found towny)

after seeing c4 flip town, i immediately come into today being worried about the fact that our reads on c4 had diverged in such a dramatic fashion - especially since you had seemed more certain about c4 being town than i was for a good portion of d1

again, if you are playing from a town mindset, i struggle to understand why my concern about you is something that you're having a hard time grasping. it seems pretty clear to me, even if you feel that your progression on c4 is perfectly justifiable

[Gavial]

Still think Jack could easily be scum here but I’m not gonna rush the gun on anything yet.

Why not? Isn't your name "chop chop"?

Yeah my thoughts go Chop Chop!
My vote goes Chop Chop on the hand!
No use my power yet!

[Jackofhearts2005]

PC is not as fun because Sloonei's avatar doesn't look like Hank Hill when it's this big.

[Poison]

@Jackofhearts2005 start here: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 76#p736276

I don’t see anything in here that says you can’t be teammates.

But I don’t think scum LC does that performance and then turns around and shit I’m at 1% battery just a sec

It felt real to me.

Super close call. Phone shut down right afterwards.

Anyway, as I was saying, I don’t see anything in here that says you can’t be teammates.

But I don’t think scum LC does that performance and then turns around and go "look how good my theatre is" and I don't think other wolf team LC starts D2 like "look how I'm spewed as not the other wolf faction."

So basically we are town reading LC?

[Long Con]

@Jackofhearts2005 start here: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 76#p736276

I don’t see anything in here that says you can’t be teammates.

But I don’t think scum LC does that performance and then turns around and shit I’m at 1% battery just a sec

It felt real to me.

Super close call. Phone shut down right afterwards.

Anyway, as I was saying, I don’t see anything in here that says you can’t be teammates.

But I don’t think scum LC does that performance and then turns around and go "look how good my theatre is" and I don't think other wolf team LC starts D2 like "look how I'm spewed as not the other wolf faction."

So basically we are town reading LC?

Who's "we" and why are you part of it?

[Gavial]

Still think Jack could easily be scum here but I’m not gonna rush the gun on anything yet.

what are you waiting for?

More Content.

[Gavial]

My TR also flipped Scum so like.
Reeeeee

[Kylemii]

20 caps to anyone who tells me about 1 thing that happened during day 1 or 0, even without any context

We have C4 several nicknames and then he died.

because of the nicknames?

[Kylemii]

rumplestilskin, got it

[Poison]

Good morning people.

If you dare poison me, you’ll end up like the other guy.

But you'll die and you can't chop chop then.

That Gal that almost had me pocketed.

Whoo

[Gavial]

@Jackofhearts2005 start here: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 76#p736276

I don’t see anything in here that says you can’t be teammates.

But I don’t think scum LC does that performance and then turns around and shit I’m at 1% battery just a sec

It felt real to me.

Super close call. Phone shut down right afterwards.

Anyway, as I was saying, I don’t see anything in here that says you can’t be teammates.

But I don’t think scum LC does that performance and then turns around and go "look how good my theatre is" and I don't think other wolf team LC starts D2 like "look how I'm spewed as not the other wolf faction."

So basically we are town reading LC?

Who's "we" and why are you part of it?

Well he responded to Jack’s post so I think Jack!Scum TMI’s Poison!Scum.

[Poison]

20 caps to anyone who tells me about 1 thing that happened during day 1 or 0, even without any context

We have C4 several nicknames and then he died.

because of the nicknames?

Great possibility.

[Gavial]

Good morning people.

If you dare poison me, you’ll end up like the other guy.

But you'll die and you can't chop chop then.

E

That Gal that almost had me pocketed.

Whoo

[KZA]

Urist vault city for TMIing the anime gif spam?

[Poison]

@Jackofhearts2005 start here: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 76#p736276

I don’t see anything in here that says you can’t be teammates.

But I don’t think scum LC does that performance and then turns around and shit I’m at 1% battery just a sec

It felt real to me.

Super close call. Phone shut down right afterwards.

Anyway, as I was saying, I don’t see anything in here that says you can’t be teammates.

But I don’t think scum LC does that performance and then turns around and go "look how good my theatre is" and I don't think other wolf team LC starts D2 like "look how I'm spewed as not the other wolf faction."

So basically we are town reading LC?

Who's "we" and why are you part of it?

Well he responded to Jack’s post so I think Jack!Scum TMI’s Poison!Scum.

It was Jack!scum godfather!Poison but that works.