Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[Gavial]

God I can’t remember how to spell her name.
I think it’s like “Eloon”?

[Sloonei]

this line of reasoning makes sense to me on a certain level, but i would find it more easy to swallow if you didn't carry such an underlying level of confidence that the c4 slot was town up until that point

and the fact that you appear to bre voting me for questioning you about an understandably difficult to believe progression is not doing very much to help me believe that your reads are coming from a pure place

It was Day 1, c4 is someone I've never met before, and he played weird. I thought he looked very good early on, but his response to pressure was a concern. It made me question my read.

I am voting you because I have been unsure about the validity of this concern, and I never got a comfortable sense that you were town on Day 1.

this was my first game with c4 as well (i believe). i agreed with you that he was acting weird, and i actually mentioned at some point on d1 that i was struggling to defend my townread on him when he was playing in such a self-defeating way

even so, i felt the emotion that he was giving out in the specific exchange with alison that you're referencing was actually town-indicative - i pointed it out at the exact moment it happened, so you can know that i'm not making up that read to make my suspicion of you more legitimate

from my point of view, d1 progressed like this:

me and you both start out hard townreading c4, who drops a number of strong towntells throughout early d1. as the momentum on c4 increases and he becomes the leading wagon, i continue to townlean c4, and you appear to drop your townlean on c4 for reasons that i struggle to really understand/rationalize. (again, the specific thing that you found suspicious from c4 is the exact thing that i found towny)

after seeing c4 flip town, i immediately come into today being worried about the fact that our reads on c4 had diverged in such a dramatic fashion - especially since you had seemed more certain about c4 being town than i was for a good portion of d1

again, if you are playing from a town mindset, i struggle to understand why my concern about you is something that you're having a hard time grasping. it seems pretty clear to me, even if you feel that your progression on c4 is perfectly justifiable

You will note that I never ended up voting for c4. I had concerns about him. I never outright scum read him. I voted for BoKnows. He was town too.

Your initial statement of concern about my c4 read looked like a straight misunderstanding of my words. It no longer feels that way, but I still am not sure I see why this is a concern to you. I understand what you are saying, but I don't know why you think any of this might mean that I am mafia.

I also am just kind of annoyed at this game right now.

[Gavial]

I can't believe I finally changed my mind on Esooa.

Nice

Esooa that’s it!

[Long Con]

God I can’t remember how to spell her name.
I think it’s like “Eloon”?

Esooa?

[Poison]

@Jackofhearts2005 start here: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 76#p736276

I don’t see anything in here that says you can’t be teammates.

But I don’t think scum LC does that performance and then turns around and shit I’m at 1% battery just a sec

It felt real to me.

Super close call. Phone shut down right afterwards.

Anyway, as I was saying, I don’t see anything in here that says you can’t be teammates.

But I don’t think scum LC does that performance and then turns around and go "look how good my theatre is" and I don't think other wolf team LC starts D2 like "look how I'm spewed as not the other wolf faction."

So basically we are town reading LC?

Who's "we" and why are you part of it?

We are the LC fan club. I'm a part of it because they give me more poison.

[Gavial]

Urist vault city for TMIing the anime gif spam?

You their partner, tryin take credit eh.

[Poison]

[VOTE: urist] aubergine

That’s a weird way to spell rej

rej can be scum too. i'm just tired of having my read on urist be ignored, especially after he hardtunneled on a town and one of his other hardtunnels (me) was wrong too. i find it difficult to believe that a presumably strong player was 0/2 on d1 than i do to believe that he was just pushing in bad faith like i suspected

i'm not tunneling you wtf

If they are saying "hardtunnel" there must be a sense of tunneling.

[Poison]

I say we nuke the JJJ player.

[KZA]

Urist vault city for TMIing the anime gif spam?

You their partner, tryin take credit eh.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Jackofhearts2005 start here: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 76#p736276

I don’t see anything in here that says you can’t be teammates.

But I don’t think scum LC does that performance and then turns around and shit I’m at 1% battery just a sec

It felt real to me.

Super close call. Phone shut down right afterwards.

Anyway, as I was saying, I don’t see anything in here that says you can’t be teammates.

But I don’t think scum LC does that performance and then turns around and go "look how good my theatre is" and I don't think other wolf team LC starts D2 like "look how I'm spewed as not the other wolf faction."

So basically we are town reading LC?

I am, yeah.

[Gavial]

[VOTE: urist] aubergine

That’s a weird way to spell rej

rej can be scum too. i'm just tired of having my read on urist be ignored, especially after he hardtunneled on a town and one of his other hardtunnels (me) was wrong too. i find it difficult to believe that a presumably strong player was 0/2 on d1 than i do to believe that he was just pushing in bad faith like i suspected

i'm not tunneling you wtf

If they are saying "hardtunnel" there must be a sense of tunneling.

I’ve seen like, tons of TvT Tunnels before.
That’s like.... allot more common then TVS or even SvS Tunnels.

[Long Con]

I'd vote Poison right now but I'm feeling lazy.

[Gavial]

Someone that tunneled town doesn’t mean anything AI.

[Jackofhearts2005]

20 caps to anyone who tells me about 1 thing that happened during day 1 or 0, even without any context

We have C4 several nicknames and then he died.

because of the nicknames?

Kinda unclear tbh.

[KZA]

I say we nuke the JJJ player.

Well this is the first I've seen you and your ISO was pretty howly

Do you still think Sloonei is suspicious?

[Gavial]

Well the tunneling in general doesn’t.
But how they tunneled could depending on what happened.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Jackofhearts2005 start here: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 76#p736276

I don’t see anything in here that says you can’t be teammates.

But I don’t think scum LC does that performance and then turns around and shit I’m at 1% battery just a sec

It felt real to me.

Super close call. Phone shut down right afterwards.

Anyway, as I was saying, I don’t see anything in here that says you can’t be teammates.

But I don’t think scum LC does that performance and then turns around and go "look how good my theatre is" and I don't think other wolf team LC starts D2 like "look how I'm spewed as not the other wolf faction."

So basically we are town reading LC?

Who's "we" and why are you part of it?

Well he responded to Jack’s post so I think Jack!Scum TMI’s Poison!Scum.

Always having to carry my scumteams and they keep doing stuff like this.

[Poison]

would a kindly stranger like to summarize the past 2000 posts for me

Hey.

[Kylemii]

would a kindly stranger like to summarize the past 2000 posts for me

Hey.

hi

[Poison]

I'd vote Poison right now but I'm feeling lazy.

See that's why the Fanclub getting all the poison ~

[staypositivefriend]

this line of reasoning makes sense to me on a certain level, but i would find it more easy to swallow if you didn't carry such an underlying level of confidence that the c4 slot was town up until that point

and the fact that you appear to bre voting me for questioning you about an understandably difficult to believe progression is not doing very much to help me believe that your reads are coming from a pure place

It was Day 1, c4 is someone I've never met before, and he played weird. I thought he looked very good early on, but his response to pressure was a concern. It made me question my read.

I am voting you because I have been unsure about the validity of this concern, and I never got a comfortable sense that you were town on Day 1.

this was my first game with c4 as well (i believe). i agreed with you that he was acting weird, and i actually mentioned at some point on d1 that i was struggling to defend my townread on him when he was playing in such a self-defeating way

even so, i felt the emotion that he was giving out in the specific exchange with alison that you're referencing was actually town-indicative - i pointed it out at the exact moment it happened, so you can know that i'm not making up that read to make my suspicion of you more legitimate

from my point of view, d1 progressed like this:

me and you both start out hard townreading c4, who drops a number of strong towntells throughout early d1. as the momentum on c4 increases and he becomes the leading wagon, i continue to townlean c4, and you appear to drop your townlean on c4 for reasons that i struggle to really understand/rationalize. (again, the specific thing that you found suspicious from c4 is the exact thing that i found towny)

after seeing c4 flip town, i immediately come into today being worried about the fact that our reads on c4 had diverged in such a dramatic fashion - especially since you had seemed more certain about c4 being town than i was for a good portion of d1

again, if you are playing from a town mindset, i struggle to understand why my concern about you is something that you're having a hard time grasping. it seems pretty clear to me, even if you feel that your progression on c4 is perfectly justifiable

You will note that I never ended up voting for c4. I had concerns about him. I never outright scum read him. I voted for BoKnows. He was town too.

Your initial statement of concern about my c4 read looked like a straight misunderstanding of my words. It no longer feels that way, but I still am not sure I see why this is a concern to you. I understand what you are saying, but I don't know why you think any of this might mean that I am mafia.

I also am just kind of annoyed at this game right now.

well, it bothers me because our reads on c4 were so synchronized up until that point - my concern was that your read on c4 fluctuated because you wanted to fit in with the consensus of the thread, which is something i could see scum!sloonei doing but not really see town!sloonei doing

i dont think this makes you lock mafia - it is a concern. and it is a concern that spiraled into more concern when our initial exchange ended up with you voting for me

you can correct me if i'm wrong, but i remember you saying that you tend to struggle/get frustrated by pressure when you're town. i don't want to put you in the position of feeling like your scumhunting is being interrupted by my pressure on you, but i do want to work with you to gain a mutual understanding today. i do not like our current dynamic, and i am struggling to us being unable to find each other when we're both town for this long, as much as i would like it to be true. i want to figure that out today

[Poison]

I say we nuke the JJJ player.

Well this is the first I've seen you and your ISO was pretty howly

Do you still think Sloonei is suspicious?

I am not sure. I'm cleaning my desk now, I'll get on my PC and then I'll start reading back. I had an exam last day so I could read nothing in the game.

[Poison]

Someone that tunneled town doesn’t mean anything AI.

But I kinda think hardtunneling a town Is weirdly a bit townish.

[Sloonei]

well, it bothers me because our reads on c4 were so synchronized up until that point - my concern was that your read on c4 fluctuated because you wanted to fit in with the consensus of the thread, which is something i could see scum!sloonei doing but not really see town!sloonei doing

i dont think this makes you lock mafia - it is a concern. and it is a concern that spiraled into more concern when our initial exchange ended up with you voting for me

you can correct me if i'm wrong, but i remember you saying that you tend to struggle/get frustrated by pressure when you're town. i don't want to put you in the position of feeling like your scumhunting is being interrupted by my pressure on you, but i do want to work with you to gain a mutual understanding today. i do not like our current dynamic, and i am struggling to us being unable to find each other when we're both town for this long, as much as i would like it to be true. i want to figure that out today

I think you are overvaluing the weight I gave to my concern about c4. I simply lost some confidence in my town read on him. He never became a suspect for me.

I am not currently engaged in any scum hunting, so I'm not being distracted. I do have a few things I want to look at but I'm hungry and a little tired so I haven't started on that yet. Jack's the one who said I struggle when I'm pressured as town.

I recommend not worrying about me for like 24 hours, if you can stomach that. I'm kind of just in a deflated mood so I'm not gonna be my best for a bit, but I never stay grumpy for more than a couple hours, so I'll be back to my normal self later. Take a fresh look at me after some more things have happened. I'll take my vote off you as well.

[staypositivefriend]

well, it bothers me because our reads on c4 were so synchronized up until that point - my concern was that your read on c4 fluctuated because you wanted to fit in with the consensus of the thread, which is something i could see scum!sloonei doing but not really see town!sloonei doing

i dont think this makes you lock mafia - it is a concern. and it is a concern that spiraled into more concern when our initial exchange ended up with you voting for me

you can correct me if i'm wrong, but i remember you saying that you tend to struggle/get frustrated by pressure when you're town. i don't want to put you in the position of feeling like your scumhunting is being interrupted by my pressure on you, but i do want to work with you to gain a mutual understanding today. i do not like our current dynamic, and i am struggling to us being unable to find each other when we're both town for this long, as much as i would like it to be true. i want to figure that out today

I think you are overvaluing the weight I gave to my concern about c4. I simply lost some confidence in my town read on him. He never became a suspect for me.

I am not currently engaged in any scum hunting, so I'm not being distracted. I do have a few things I want to look at but I'm hungry and a little tired so I haven't started on that yet. Jack's the one who said I struggle when I'm pressured as town.

I recommend not worrying about me for like 24 hours, if you can stomach that. I'm kind of just in a deflated mood so I'm not gonna be my best for a bit, but I never stay grumpy for more than a couple hours, so I'll be back to my normal self later. Take a fresh look at me after some more things have happened. I'll take my vote off you as well.

i'm in a bit of a grumpy mood too, so it's possible that we just got off on the wrong foot

i'll take a step back as well and we can reconnect later

[Sloonei]

well, it bothers me because our reads on c4 were so synchronized up until that point - my concern was that your read on c4 fluctuated because you wanted to fit in with the consensus of the thread, which is something i could see scum!sloonei doing but not really see town!sloonei doing

i dont think this makes you lock mafia - it is a concern. and it is a concern that spiraled into more concern when our initial exchange ended up with you voting for me

you can correct me if i'm wrong, but i remember you saying that you tend to struggle/get frustrated by pressure when you're town. i don't want to put you in the position of feeling like your scumhunting is being interrupted by my pressure on you, but i do want to work with you to gain a mutual understanding today. i do not like our current dynamic, and i am struggling to us being unable to find each other when we're both town for this long, as much as i would like it to be true. i want to figure that out today

I think you are overvaluing the weight I gave to my concern about c4. I simply lost some confidence in my town read on him. He never became a suspect for me.

I am not currently engaged in any scum hunting, so I'm not being distracted. I do have a few things I want to look at but I'm hungry and a little tired so I haven't started on that yet. Jack's the one who said I struggle when I'm pressured as town.

I recommend not worrying about me for like 24 hours, if you can stomach that. I'm kind of just in a deflated mood so I'm not gonna be my best for a bit, but I never stay grumpy for more than a couple hours, so I'll be back to my normal self later. Take a fresh look at me after some more things have happened. I'll take my vote off you as well.

i'm in a bit of a grumpy mood too, so it's possible that we just got off on the wrong foot

i'll take a step back as well and we can reconnect later

Maybe the reason we can't find each other is that we're both just grumpy gusses.

Stay positive, friend.

[Sloonei]

i'm gonna go eat soup and that will magically transform my mood.

[Kylemii]

gonna just read shit acutally

[TonyStarkPrime]

okay who wants to claim killing c4 like now

[TonyStarkPrime]

I should have done that at the beginning of the day but I was asleep maybe someone's claimed it by now

[Jackofhearts2005]

Why would someone claim that?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Btw, my daughter was very distressed by Poison’s avatar.

[Sloonei]

One of the things I want to look into is which roles could have been responsible for Foresight’s death. But I can’t do that without soup in my belly.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

[VOTE: spf] aubergine

you would almost certainly be townreading me right now if you were town

So would you.

i have townread you for the vast majority of the game. your inability to find my alignment even as i become more clearly threadspewed town and the way that you're responding to my concerns about c4 makes me feel generally uneasy

Threadspewed town doesn’t exist in what’s functionally multiball

[TonyStarkPrime]

@Jackofhearts2005 start here: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 76#p736276

I don’t see anything in here that says you can’t be teammates.

But I don’t think scum LC does that performance and then turns around and shit I’m at 1% battery just a sec

It felt real to me.

Super close call. Phone shut down right afterwards.

Anyway, as I was saying, I don’t see anything in here that says you can’t be teammates.

But I don’t think scum LC does that performance and then turns around and go "look how good my theatre is" and I don't think other wolf team LC starts D2 like "look how I'm spewed as not the other wolf faction."

So basically we are town reading LC?

Who's "we" and why are you part of it?

Well he responded to Jack’s post so I think Jack!Scum TMI’s Poison!Scum.

uh

[Jackofhearts2005]

Lol is that a real read tho @ChopChop?

[Gavial]

Someone that tunneled town doesn’t mean anything AI.

But I kinda think hardtunneling a town Is weirdly a bit townish.

Or a Powerwolf.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Why would someone claim that?

There's one role in the setup that's town and can do it and it's almost definitely in play and it's basically worthless now so if they claim it's almost inno child

[Gavial]

Btw, my daughter was very distressed by Poison’s avatar.

Your a father?
Congrats!

[DaughterOfOmega]

YOOOOOOOO

[Gavial]

Lol is that a real read tho @ChopChop?

I mean if your scum then yeah.
If your not then it’s a pointless read.

[Sloonei]

Why would someone claim that?

There's one role in the setup that's town and can do it and it's almost definitely in play and it's basically worthless now so if they claim it's almost inno child

Save me the time and post that role here

[Jackofhearts2005]

Why would someone claim that?

There's one role in the setup that's town and can do it and it's almost definitely in play and it's basically worthless now so if they claim it's almost inno child

Yeah but innocent children shouldn’t like activate immediately.

Btw, my daughter was very distressed by Poison’s avatar.

Your a father?
Congrats!

Lol thanks. My daughter is a townie at heart. Good kid.

[Gavial]

Why would someone claim that?

There's one role in the setup that's town and can do it and it's almost definitely in play and it's basically worthless now so if they claim it's almost inno child

Save me the time and post that role here

It’s Eldridge

[TonyStarkPrime]

Eldridge

You're the proprietor of the New Reno Arms store, supplying all of the local crime families with powerful munitions and supplies. That might make you the most powerful man in the city... or it might make you a slave to the crime bosses.

You're a 1-shot reckless day vigilante. You love to show off your arsenal, and you don't much care who serves as target practice. Once during the game during any day phase, you may select a player (send a personal message to the host). That player will be killed at end of that day phase. If that player is a member of an enemy faction, there is a 50% chance that a second player will also die. That player will be the member of a non-enemy faction selected at random.


OR

Metzger

You run the infamous Slaver's Guild headquartered in the Den. You and all of your people can be readily identified by the slaver tattoos plastered on your foreheads, leaving no doubts to nearly anyone in the wastes that you are not one to fuck with. Your sawed-off shotgun handles everyone else.

You didn't get to where you are without developing a wide array of wasteland survival skills and connections.
Thanks to the protection of your army of thugs, you are 1-shot bulletproof, immune to the first night kill targeted upon you unless it is enhanced by a strongman ability.
You are a 1-shot day vigilante. Once during the game during any day phase, you may select a player (send a personal message to the host). That player will be killed at the end of that day phase.
You are a 1-shot vigilante. Once during the game during any night phase, you may select a player. That player will be killed.
You are a 1-shot doctor. Once during the game during any night phase, you may select a player. That player will be protected from any fatal actions.
You are an intimidator. For every three consecutive day phases in which you do not receive a vote in the final poll tally, you will begin the following phase with one vote automatically removed from you in the elimination poll. These do not stack.


I think it's the former but if no one claims the former than it's the latter and then we know a bit of what we're up against

[Jackofhearts2005]

Lol is that a real read tho @ChopChop?

I mean if your scum then yeah.
If your not then it’s a pointless read.

I mean like...you think Poison responded to her wolf partner in thread like “Do we townread LC?”

[TonyStarkPrime]

Why would someone claim that?

There's one role in the setup that's town and can do it and it's almost definitely in play and it's basically worthless now so if they claim it's almost inno child

Yeah but innocent children shouldn’t like activate immediately.

yeah but there's another option and it can get cc'ed.

also i want a break from solving someone

[Jackofhearts2005]

Lol is that a real read tho @ChopChop?

I mean if your scum then yeah.
If your not then it’s a pointless read.

I mean like...you think Poison responded to her wolf partner in thread like “Do we townread LC?”

“Yeah, Poison. Cause we’re wolves so we know LC isn’t one of us.” :wowee:

[TonyStarkPrime]

ebwop:

yeah but there's another option and it can get cc'ed.

also i want a break from solving someone

[TonyStarkPrime]

hot take chop tmied jack as scum