Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[staypositivefriend]

i think tonystarkprime is town

[DaughterOfOmega]

YO TONY

I NEED YOUR SPICE

[Sloonei]

i think tonystarkprime is town

He is.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Ya’ll ever save a bunch of wrestling gifs and you wanna use them in mafia games but they’re all overreactions and your actual feelings are more subtle?

I’m like that all the time.

[Sloonei]

I would assume that c4 was killed by Eldridge/the "more town" of the two available day vigilantes. It does not make sense for a mafia-esque day vig to take him out there.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I would assume that c4 was killed by Eldridge/the "more town" of the two available day vigilantes. It does not make sense for a mafia-esque day vig to take him out there.

Agreed.

Wolf kp is reserved for players who aren’t likely to get themselves yeeted anyway.

[Sloonei]

We have 4 dead players and 3 are Wastelanders. Do we assume that's the largest faction, or do they just have garbage luck?

[staypositivefriend]

Ya’ll ever save a bunch of wrestling gifs and you wanna use them in mafia games but they’re all overreactions and your actual feelings are more subtle?

I’m like that all the time.

this is me with anime gifs, tbh

[Jackofhearts2005]

Miz’s shades say “Hey Ho” and I’m thinking about shooping them to say “Hee Ho” and making that an avatar.

[Urist]

We have 4 dead players and 3 are Wastelanders. Do we assume that's the largest faction, or do they just have garbage luck?

wastelanders and enclave are the largest factions according to the mod. wastelanders are all vt.

elbridge should not claim. like wtf.

[Urist]

i think i know who eldridge is anyway LOL

[Sloonei]

esooa's role

Senior Councilman McClure

You're the head legislator within the Vault City council, and you answer only to the First Citizen. You're a dedicated public servant and even quite tolerant by the standards of your city, but your responsibility is always to your constituents foremost. Vault City prevails.

You are a 2-shot limited watcher. You're privileged to sensitive information given your political posture. Twice during the game during any separate night phases, you may select a player. You will be told who targeted that player that night if anyone. This does not detect fatal actions.

Separately, you are a 1-shot strongman. You are second in the chain of military command and can order precision kills if you must. Once during the game you may elect to make one of your factional kills unstoppable by protections or disruptions (e.g. doctor, jailkeeper, or role blocker, but not commutes). Any member of Vault City may deliver the kill.

[Urist]

here's a spicy take

[VOTE: alison] aubergine

[falcon45ca]

We have 4 dead players and 3 are Wastelanders. Do we assume that's the largest faction, or do they just have garbage luck?

Is this important to you?

[Sloonei]

We have 4 dead players and 3 are Wastelanders. Do we assume that's the largest faction, or do they just have garbage luck?

Is this important to you?

Does the question bother you?

[Sloonei]

here's a spicy take

[VOTE: alison] aubergine

why?

[Sloonei]

I'm in the middle of an Esooa ISO, but I want to highlight this post in particular because LOL:

I get the feeling that LC is prob vault city so idk why he's getting wagonned atm but i said i'd sheep mac so
Poison's reaction to tsp on d0 is +enclave
C4 & spf are enclave

Like literally everyone is enclave except lc

what is vault city and why is LC that

spoiler: i've been thinking LC looks not great already in this exercise.

[Sloonei]

(and urist already had one post that made me conclude they're never partnered)

[Grogu]

Tough week for me everyone. I’m glad to see we killed a wolf, great job team.
I need to read up tomorrow but today I’m eating and getting drunk.

[Sloonei]

I’m glad to see we killed a wolf, great job team.

grogu enclave confirmed

[KZA]

I’m glad to see we killed a wolf, great job team.

grogu enclave confirmed

I think you're joking a bit but Grogu did do the "wow we killed a wolf great job guys" act in Spiderverse and flipped scum

[KZA]

here's a spicy take

[VOTE: alison] aubergine

I kind of vibe with this based on her uninspiring sus of Mac

[falcon45ca]

We have 4 dead players and 3 are Wastelanders. Do we assume that's the largest faction, or do they just have garbage luck?

Is this important to you?

Does the question bother you?

Bother me? No.



Strike me as an odd thing to be concerned about? Yes.

[Sloonei]

We have 4 dead players and 3 are Wastelanders. Do we assume that's the largest faction, or do they just have garbage luck?

Is this important to you?

Does the question bother you?

Bother me? No.



Strike me as an odd thing to be concerned about? Yes.

I wonder why someone might be concerned about the dwindling numbers of the Wastelanders.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

We have 4 dead players and 3 are Wastelanders. Do we assume that's the largest faction, or do they just have garbage luck?

I think some of both is likely

[Sloonei]

dat esooa iso
wrapping this up in a spoiler because it's massive. This is not essential to read unless you want to check my work or be really really thorough.

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pros: gay
cute
sometimes will vote mafia
cons: dumb
gameplan: understand the setup
misc: will tunnel mac

"will tunnel mac", noted.

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I kinda regret this

Why, did you rand scum?

I prefer scum homie

Gut says falcon is not partnered here, but that's not a firm read and there's no reason this can't be faked.

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she's not lying

lmao hi kza

This feels like an inside joke that I am not part of. Tells me nothing about kza.

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I already want to tunnel falcon so he's town

Falcon not partnered. This is not how teammates talk about each other unprompted at the start of the game.

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kza is town

This again tells me nothing about KZA.

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sloonei is mafia

I'm vibing

Sloonei not partnered. Esooa teams up with Mac to shade me. Mac's read was literally nothing. It still is.

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no one asked me about my kza read

Esooa wants to talk about KZA, but needs to be prompted first. Noted.

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Alright cuties, I have an exam in like 5 hours so I'll be playi g after that. Do we have any post restrictions here? Please @ me.

@Poison no post restriction

Nothing interaction with Poison.

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I kinda regret this

Why, did you rand scum?

I prefer scum homie

she's not lying

kza town read is cause of this post where he very casually gave information to defend me

towny because he felt prompted to say something in it without a clear motive

so I figure the motive is a genuine want for discussion

I'm slightly comfortable saying KZA is not partnered with Esooa here. This reads like a genuine read, and it's a bit too much work for drawing a minor connection between herself and a partner if they are on the same team.

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I kinda regret this

Why, did you rand scum?

I prefer scum homie

she's not lying

kza town read is cause of this post where he very casually gave information to defend me

towny because he felt prompted to say something in it without a clear motive

so I figure the motive is a genuine want for discussion

Which discussion? Whether you prefer scum roles or not? It's towny to want to delve deeper into that? Was he even doing that?? His comment sounds quite offhanded to me, not indicative of "genuine want for discussion" or an opposition to it. Are you sure this is a real read?

yes, the discussion is relating to my alignment, or you know, solving. And the off handed nature of it is why it's genuine. He did it because he wanted to. He didn't have any clear goal with his read

An exchange with LC. This tells me nothing about them.
However I will note that Esooa claims to have scum read me for my early town read on LC. I do not know what to make of that either, but I'm making a note of it anyway. It is possible that she found my LC read dubious because she knows he is not town, but that is a stretch.

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Why, did you rand scum?

I prefer scum homie

she's not lying

kza town read is cause of this post where he very casually gave information to defend me

towny because he felt prompted to say something in it without a clear motive

so I figure the motive is a genuine want for discussion

Which discussion? Whether you prefer scum roles or not? It's towny to want to delve deeper into that? Was he even doing that?? His comment sounds quite offhanded to me, not indicative of "genuine want for discussion" or an opposition to it. Are you sure this is a real read?

yes, the discussion is relating to my alignment, or you know, solving. And the off handed nature of it is why it's genuine. He did it because he wanted to. He didn't have any clear goal with his read

Now you seem to be contradicting yourself.

How can he display a motive of genuine want for discussion and also have no clear goal with his read?

[VOTE: esooa] aubergine You're being fishy.

you don't really get what I'm saying so

I do not struggle to read this as a staged interaction, but it does not need to be that and I'm not entirely sure something like that would exist at this early stage. I would not put that past LC. I don't know Esooa, but I won't put it past her either because she seems like she knew what she was doing.

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I like all of esooa's reads btw

Has she given any outside of Kaz?



This is Wolfy pocket attempt IMO

I thought she had suggested sloon mafia which is the main thing I was getting at, but it was mac who initially suggested that apparently

I did agree with it though

Urist not partnered, cool.

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Like, you don't even consider that it's a casual pocket attempt?

considered it. Didn't think it was. It was too casual, not flattering or showy, and it's not really a thing I'd imagine kza thinks would pocket me

Meh. This continues to feel like a stunted conversation.

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dislike lc so far

lc can you talk about your approach to this game?

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dislike lc so far

As a person or as an alignment?

I think you're pretty cool but the seriousness you're expressing at the start of the first day is making me question you

I'm not totally sure I buy this as an authentic read.

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lc can you talk about your approach to this game?

I'd do better if you ask more specific questions. Self-analysis is not a strength of mine.

well as I just said I feel like you're oddly serious right now

do you agree? Why do you think that is?

Hot take: these two are teammates.

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my scum reads are sloonei, lc, and jjj

RuLe Of ThReE, but she had to include the host to make it a joke. And also she's voting for me while having nothing to say to me and bickering with LC about how serious he's being.

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Because you give us nothing to talk about.

A BIG OLD LINK TO NOTHING

I disagree with the post

Oh

is spf doing this something you think she would need to cognizantly replicate or just something she would do unintentionally?

I don't know. She could do it unintentionally, semi-intentionally, or fully intentionally.

My concern is twofold: A) it is something she has seen me do and earn town credit for in a high profile spot.
B) I do not feel like there was an organic reason for her to utilize that play at that moment.

well I'd argue two things

if spf is aware of you and minor facets of your playstyle to the degree she unintentionally replicates it, it's likely she would do the same as town too

and if it's something spf would need to consciously replicate, well I just don't think spf is someone who considers the player list and get play to that extent as scum because:

I believe she intends to not high effort this game

jess doesn't actively plan out what to do as scum

This is already more substantial than anything she has said to LC, but that could be because Esooa is eager to defend a player she knows well in spf.

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as for the "there wasn't an organic reason to do it"

I'm not so sure about that. Honestly, calling attention to your reads in such a way I almost always dislike; it just feels showy to be

but it's also something that I've seen come from town *at least* as often as scum

What is your motivation for pursuing this discussion to the extent that you are?

I have a theory: she doesn't like that I correctly called her out as scum, and is motivated to get discussion moving elsewhere, with her as the towny discussion motivator.

you're right I had an interest in not talking about your read. Mostly because it was bad and annoying me

LC butts into our conversation and she slaps him away. This might be totally unnecessary if they are partners. If their own argument is staged, LC is now encroaching on an entirely separate interaction to continue driving a wedge between himself and Esooa. I have a harder time seeing that happen between partners.

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[PipBoy 2000]

I'm not reading any of these

Epi and Esooa are not partnered.

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I wish I was a cop so I could just know Jess's alignment so I can just be her buddy all game assuming she's town I don't want jess to be mafia I don't want to have to figure this out

i am mafia, but buddy anyway and let me take you to endgame

if you told me this in private I unironically would let you end game just to keep you around and it would make me not worried

This whole exchange is very silly if spf and esooa are teammates.

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claiming mason with the mayor of gaytown person

Slightly good look for Dom. Esooa doesn't seem fully cognizant of who he is yet, which I think is less likely to happen if she's been waiting for this mysterious "Dom" figure to show up in BTSC.

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I get the feeling that LC is prob vault city so idk why he's getting wagonned atm but i said i'd sheep mac so
Poison's reaction to tsp on d0 is +enclave
C4 & spf are enclave

Like literally everyone is enclave except lc

what is vault city and why is LC that

lol

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I get the feeling that LC is prob vault city so idk why he's getting wagonned atm but i said i'd sheep mac so
Poison's reaction to tsp on d0 is +enclave
C4 & spf are enclave

Like literally everyone is enclave except lc

what is vault city and why is LC that

Vault city is a 2nd scumteam that is kinda bad but not super bad
Enclave is the primary scumteam and there are allegedly more of them so we should be focusing on that team first
Lc is vc bc c4 voted 4 him

lol I see

You're that confident on c4?

This feels like a very nervous response and a quick deflection onto c4. No further mention of LC, who she had been voicing stong, consistent suspicion of until now.

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Seems people don't realize why LC acting serious is weird and I'm kinda annoyed no one cares to wonder *why* I actually found it weird

He is, as has been pointed out, basically never serious, and especially not, from what I've seen, at SoD1

don't think he's certainly scum for him, but the stark playstyle change to his town games I've seen, makes him decently >rand scum imo

But then she makes this post shortly after. Maybe compensating for the lack of response in the previous post? Or maybe I'm just wrong and they're not teammates. But Urist stated as bluntly as one can that LC is aligned with the anti-town faction that Esooa is now confirmed to have belonged to, and her response was to play Noodle Brain and then laugh and deflect, and then a few minutes later type up a separate, independent post casting shade against LC for a read that feels quite bogus to me. Like, I don't know where this read comes from. I don't know what Esooa's experience with LC is, but "LC being serious means he's scum" is absolutely not a read I would ever in a million years suggest, and I've been playing with him for a lot longer than Esooa has. But maybe there is something in her experience that lead her to think this. But then it's weird that she is waving this around so confidently when there are several people here who know LC a lot better than she does.

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Seems people don't realize why LC acting serious is weird and I'm kinda annoyed no one cares to wonder *why* I actually found it weird

He is, as has been pointed out, basically never serious, and especially not, from what I've seen, at SoD1

don't think he's certainly scum for him, but the stark playstyle change to his town games I've seen, makes him decently >rand scum imo

There is nothing that LC never is.

it's the impression I've gotten from playing 3 town games with him

Could be wrong but I don't think my interpretation is generally inaccurate

Three town games. I played three town games with LC for breakfast this morning.

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im gay

You are my friend :3

??? At Dom's focus of me saying a positive thing about him when he did the same thing for the same reason here

@Dom does the fact you did similar things to my "buddying" change your mind about it at all? I saw you make friendly comments towards both myself and spf for saying this so I figured I'd return it

Esooa going out of her way to get a response from Dom again strikes me as not teammates.

Big long exchange between Esooa and spf but I'd be shocked if they are teammates so I'm skipping it for brevity. Clearly that's an important quality to me.

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Hey Dom!
Your signature is too far!
Make it skinny!

Fat*

I think ChopChop coming into thread only to post this then leave was a bad look

This is not what bussing looks like. ChopChop is not Esooa's teammate.

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tsp town lean

I agree with this tsp read.

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yeah [rej]/chop are really scummy lol

Probably not partnered with rej either, but this is kinda reactive and out of the blue, so I won't say it's not bussing. But I think if they were partners then Esooa would be more likely to respond substantively, either asking why rej is suspicious or saying more to contribute to the argument against him.

This is just the first two (technically the last two, cuz reverse order) pages of Esooa's ISO. I'm just gonna split this up into two posts because it's long.

Conclusions so far: LC does not look great. Their early exchange felt subdued for two players who allegedly suspected each other so firmly right off the bat, and I question the validity of Esooa's read on him anyway. Her response when Urist specifically called out LC as a member of Vault City was downright comical.

Speaking of Urist, he looks excellent. I just kind of assume spf is not Esooa's teammate because of the way they danced around each other. It did kind of feel like at least one of them was hiding from the other. My impression yesterday was that that was spf's doing. Maybe they were both trying to hide from each other. Idk.

Dom, falcon, chop, and rej all do not look like partners. KZA also gets a slight not-teammate point early on. I feel like I'm forgetting someone, but this was a lot of posts. Uh

Mac appeared in the very beginning as a shepherd to Esooa but then disappeared. Idk what to do with that.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

The number of roles listed under each faction has no bearing on the actual number of players within each faction with the exception of the Wastelanders and the Enclave, who each have large populations relative to the rest.

Yeah I’d say both

[Sloonei]

oh right: epi is not a vault city resident

[DaughterOfOmega]

I'm just wondering, does anyone need something from me?

[Sloonei]

I'm just wondering, does anyone need something from me?

do whatever you think will help the town factions win this game.

[staypositivefriend]

i dont think mac/esooa are partnered

[Jackofhearts2005]

dat esooa iso
wrapping this up in a spoiler because it's massive. This is not essential to read unless you want to check my work or be really really thorough.

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pros: gay
cute
sometimes will vote mafia
cons: dumb
gameplan: understand the setup
misc: will tunnel mac

"will tunnel mac", noted.

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I kinda regret this

Why, did you rand scum?

I prefer scum homie

Gut says falcon is not partnered here, but that's not a firm read and there's no reason this can't be faked.

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she's not lying

lmao hi kza

This feels like an inside joke that I am not part of. Tells me nothing about kza.

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I already want to tunnel falcon so he's town

Falcon not partnered. This is not how teammates talk about each other unprompted at the start of the game.

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kza is town

This again tells me nothing about KZA.

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sloonei is mafia

I'm vibing

Sloonei not partnered. Esooa teams up with Mac to shade me. Mac's read was literally nothing. It still is.

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no one asked me about my kza read

Esooa wants to talk about KZA, but needs to be prompted first. Noted.

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Alright cuties, I have an exam in like 5 hours so I'll be playi g after that. Do we have any post restrictions here? Please @ me.

@Poison no post restriction

Nothing interaction with Poison.

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I kinda regret this

Why, did you rand scum?

I prefer scum homie

she's not lying

kza town read is cause of this post where he very casually gave information to defend me

towny because he felt prompted to say something in it without a clear motive

so I figure the motive is a genuine want for discussion

I'm slightly comfortable saying KZA is not partnered with Esooa here. This reads like a genuine read, and it's a bit too much work for drawing a minor connection between herself and a partner if they are on the same team.

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I kinda regret this

Why, did you rand scum?

I prefer scum homie

she's not lying

kza town read is cause of this post where he very casually gave information to defend me

towny because he felt prompted to say something in it without a clear motive

so I figure the motive is a genuine want for discussion

Which discussion? Whether you prefer scum roles or not? It's towny to want to delve deeper into that? Was he even doing that?? His comment sounds quite offhanded to me, not indicative of "genuine want for discussion" or an opposition to it. Are you sure this is a real read?

yes, the discussion is relating to my alignment, or you know, solving. And the off handed nature of it is why it's genuine. He did it because he wanted to. He didn't have any clear goal with his read

An exchange with LC. This tells me nothing about them.
However I will note that Esooa claims to have scum read me for my early town read on LC. I do not know what to make of that either, but I'm making a note of it anyway. It is possible that she found my LC read dubious because she knows he is not town, but that is a stretch.

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I prefer scum homie

she's not lying

kza town read is cause of this post where he very casually gave information to defend me

towny because he felt prompted to say something in it without a clear motive

so I figure the motive is a genuine want for discussion

Which discussion? Whether you prefer scum roles or not? It's towny to want to delve deeper into that? Was he even doing that?? His comment sounds quite offhanded to me, not indicative of "genuine want for discussion" or an opposition to it. Are you sure this is a real read?

yes, the discussion is relating to my alignment, or you know, solving. And the off handed nature of it is why it's genuine. He did it because he wanted to. He didn't have any clear goal with his read

Now you seem to be contradicting yourself.

How can he display a motive of genuine want for discussion and also have no clear goal with his read?

[VOTE: esooa] aubergine You're being fishy.

you don't really get what I'm saying so

I do not struggle to read this as a staged interaction, but it does not need to be that and I'm not entirely sure something like that would exist at this early stage. I would not put that past LC. I don't know Esooa, but I won't put it past her either because she seems like she knew what she was doing.

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I like all of esooa's reads btw

Has she given any outside of Kaz?



This is Wolfy pocket attempt IMO

I thought she had suggested sloon mafia which is the main thing I was getting at, but it was mac who initially suggested that apparently

I did agree with it though

Urist not partnered, cool.

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Like, you don't even consider that it's a casual pocket attempt?

considered it. Didn't think it was. It was too casual, not flattering or showy, and it's not really a thing I'd imagine kza thinks would pocket me

Meh. This continues to feel like a stunted conversation.

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dislike lc so far

lc can you talk about your approach to this game?

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dislike lc so far

As a person or as an alignment?

I think you're pretty cool but the seriousness you're expressing at the start of the first day is making me question you

I'm not totally sure I buy this as an authentic read.

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lc can you talk about your approach to this game?

I'd do better if you ask more specific questions. Self-analysis is not a strength of mine.

well as I just said I feel like you're oddly serious right now

do you agree? Why do you think that is?

Hot take: these two are teammates.

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my scum reads are sloonei, lc, and jjj

RuLe Of ThReE, but she had to include the host to make it a joke. And also she's voting for me while having nothing to say to me and bickering with LC about how serious he's being.

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A BIG OLD LINK TO NOTHING

I disagree with the post

Oh

is spf doing this something you think she would need to cognizantly replicate or just something she would do unintentionally?

I don't know. She could do it unintentionally, semi-intentionally, or fully intentionally.

My concern is twofold: A) it is something she has seen me do and earn town credit for in a high profile spot.
B) I do not feel like there was an organic reason for her to utilize that play at that moment.

well I'd argue two things

if spf is aware of you and minor facets of your playstyle to the degree she unintentionally replicates it, it's likely she would do the same as town too

and if it's something spf would need to consciously replicate, well I just don't think spf is someone who considers the player list and get play to that extent as scum because:

I believe she intends to not high effort this game

jess doesn't actively plan out what to do as scum

This is already more substantial than anything she has said to LC, but that could be because Esooa is eager to defend a player she knows well in spf.

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as for the "there wasn't an organic reason to do it"

I'm not so sure about that. Honestly, calling attention to your reads in such a way I almost always dislike; it just feels showy to be

but it's also something that I've seen come from town *at least* as often as scum

What is your motivation for pursuing this discussion to the extent that you are?

I have a theory: she doesn't like that I correctly called her out as scum, and is motivated to get discussion moving elsewhere, with her as the towny discussion motivator.

you're right I had an interest in not talking about your read. Mostly because it was bad and annoying me

LC butts into our conversation and she slaps him away. This might be totally unnecessary if they are partners. If their own argument is staged, LC is now encroaching on an entirely separate interaction to continue driving a wedge between himself and Esooa. I have a harder time seeing that happen between partners.

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[PipBoy 2000]

I'm not reading any of these

Epi and Esooa are not partnered.

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I wish I was a cop so I could just know Jess's alignment so I can just be her buddy all game assuming she's town I don't want jess to be mafia I don't want to have to figure this out

i am mafia, but buddy anyway and let me take you to endgame

if you told me this in private I unironically would let you end game just to keep you around and it would make me not worried

This whole exchange is very silly if spf and esooa are teammates.

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claiming mason with the mayor of gaytown person

Slightly good look for Dom. Esooa doesn't seem fully cognizant of who he is yet, which I think is less likely to happen if she's been waiting for this mysterious "Dom" figure to show up in BTSC.

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I get the feeling that LC is prob vault city so idk why he's getting wagonned atm but i said i'd sheep mac so
Poison's reaction to tsp on d0 is +enclave
C4 & spf are enclave

Like literally everyone is enclave except lc

what is vault city and why is LC that

lol

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I get the feeling that LC is prob vault city so idk why he's getting wagonned atm but i said i'd sheep mac so
Poison's reaction to tsp on d0 is +enclave
C4 & spf are enclave

Like literally everyone is enclave except lc

what is vault city and why is LC that

Vault city is a 2nd scumteam that is kinda bad but not super bad
Enclave is the primary scumteam and there are allegedly more of them so we should be focusing on that team first
Lc is vc bc c4 voted 4 him

lol I see

You're that confident on c4?

This feels like a very nervous response and a quick deflection onto c4. No further mention of LC, who she had been voicing stong, consistent suspicion of until now.

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Seems people don't realize why LC acting serious is weird and I'm kinda annoyed no one cares to wonder *why* I actually found it weird

He is, as has been pointed out, basically never serious, and especially not, from what I've seen, at SoD1

don't think he's certainly scum for him, but the stark playstyle change to his town games I've seen, makes him decently >rand scum imo

But then she makes this post shortly after. Maybe compensating for the lack of response in the previous post? Or maybe I'm just wrong and they're not teammates. But Urist stated as bluntly as one can that LC is aligned with the anti-town faction that Esooa is now confirmed to have belonged to, and her response was to play Noodle Brain and then laugh and deflect, and then a few minutes later type up a separate, independent post casting shade against LC for a read that feels quite bogus to me. Like, I don't know where this read comes from. I don't know what Esooa's experience with LC is, but "LC being serious means he's scum" is absolutely not a read I would ever in a million years suggest, and I've been playing with him for a lot longer than Esooa has. But maybe there is something in her experience that lead her to think this. But then it's weird that she is waving this around so confidently when there are several people here who know LC a lot better than she does.

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Seems people don't realize why LC acting serious is weird and I'm kinda annoyed no one cares to wonder *why* I actually found it weird

He is, as has been pointed out, basically never serious, and especially not, from what I've seen, at SoD1

don't think he's certainly scum for him, but the stark playstyle change to his town games I've seen, makes him decently >rand scum imo

There is nothing that LC never is.

it's the impression I've gotten from playing 3 town games with him

Could be wrong but I don't think my interpretation is generally inaccurate

Three town games. I played three town games with LC for breakfast this morning.

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im gay

You are my friend :3

??? At Dom's focus of me saying a positive thing about him when he did the same thing for the same reason here

@Dom does the fact you did similar things to my "buddying" change your mind about it at all? I saw you make friendly comments towards both myself and spf for saying this so I figured I'd return it

Esooa going out of her way to get a response from Dom again strikes me as not teammates.

Big long exchange between Esooa and spf but I'd be shocked if they are teammates so I'm skipping it for brevity. Clearly that's an important quality to me.

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Hey Dom!
Your signature is too far!
Make it skinny!

Fat*

I think ChopChop coming into thread only to post this then leave was a bad look

This is not what bussing looks like. ChopChop is not Esooa's teammate.

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tsp town lean

I agree with this tsp read.

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yeah [rej]/chop are really scummy lol

Probably not partnered with rej either, but this is kinda reactive and out of the blue, so I won't say it's not bussing. But I think if they were partners then Esooa would be more likely to respond substantively, either asking why rej is suspicious or saying more to contribute to the argument against him.

This is just the first two (technically the last two, cuz reverse order) pages of Esooa's ISO. I'm just gonna split this up into two posts because it's long.

Conclusions so far: LC does not look great. Their early exchange felt subdued for two players who allegedly suspected each other so firmly right off the bat, and I question the validity of Esooa's read on him anyway. Her response when Urist specifically called out LC as a member of Vault City was downright comical.

Speaking of Urist, he looks excellent. I just kind of assume spf is not Esooa's teammate because of the way they danced around each other. It did kind of feel like at least one of them was hiding from the other. My impression yesterday was that that was spf's doing. Maybe they were both trying to hide from each other. Idk.

Dom, falcon, chop, and rej all do not look like partners. KZA also gets a slight not-teammate point early on. I feel like I'm forgetting someone, but this was a lot of posts. Uh

Mac appeared in the very beginning as a shepherd to Esooa but then disappeared. Idk what to do with that.

I hate saying this but this makes me feel better about you. I hate saying it because it's like "Oh, if you're mafia (here or elsewhere) do one interactive iso and I'll townread you." Nevertheless.

The SPF interactions are most convincing. I feel vindicated by your read of LC even if I don't agree in the end based on what LC said today.

[Urist]

here's a spicy take

[VOTE: alison] aubergine

why?

just a hunch

[Sloonei]

I hate saying this but this makes me feel better about you. I hate saying it because it's like "Oh, if you're mafia (here or elsewhere) do one interactive iso and I'll townread you." Nevertheless.

it's multiball.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I hate saying this but this makes me feel better about you. I hate saying it because it's like "Oh, if you're mafia (here or elsewhere) do one interactive iso and I'll townread you." Nevertheless.

it's multiball.

But still.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Like I read players primarily based on "Do I think this player is being honest or are they being agenday?"

So you can basically respond to any of my noninteractive reads in this game like "but Jack, it's multiball" but that's not going to change my reads that much.

Conveniently, townies still tend to hunt and not make shit up more than multiball wolves.

[Sloonei]

I hate saying this but this makes me feel better about you. I hate saying it because it's like "Oh, if you're mafia (here or elsewhere) do one interactive iso and I'll townread you." Nevertheless.

it's multiball.

But still.

I don't believe you.

[staypositivefriend]

btw I'd like everyone who thinks Mac is scum to say so right now

are you scum?

no

would ur answer change if I told you I was

no

I think you're scum

why

cause mac low posting is blatantly to avoid being NK'd and he's done it before

He has no reason to low post as scum

So you scum reading that and not actually thinking about his posts is kinda weird

esooa likes to powerwolf and shield her partners

but it's usually done in a more subtle way (ie: shading one of her partners while still fiercely protecting them at the same time)

in this case, esooa brought a ton of attention to the people scumreading mac, and then outed a very specific meta reason for mac to be town as a way to defend him. i think that this was esooa trying to get into mac's good graces by outing a "detailed" read about him, and we can see esooa's desire to get mac to townread her reflected in her final posts before the day ended (around here: (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2055&p=738710#p738710)

^^the interaction in that whole exchange is just generally a little flat too - esooa is trying to engage with mac and mac is giving short, blunt replies that indicate he doesnt particularly want to get a read on esooa in that moment

it's just generally not how i think they would approach each other if they were teamed. there would be more "oomph" to it

[staypositivefriend]

i have two townreads but im not gonna say who yet = )

Heya, here to play some low effort, this is the first post that pinged me. I personally don't like posts like this because they are confusing as heck. This could be the most unneccessary soft claim, or this could be a bait, or this could be anything.
I always ask myself why a town should do this, the last time I saw someone do this they ended up masons with someone and they got lynched.

Anyone beat me to this.


Also I see Long Con and KZA are voted currently. I feel whenever I play here Long Con gets voted somehow. Will drop my opinions once I am cought up.

So, this post is kinda weird. He says here and in a lot of other places here's here to play some low effort, as well as just sounding not so comfortable with his reads

If he's a wolf here, he's very self conscious, and uncomfortable in thread

i have two townreads but im not gonna say who yet = )

Heya, here to play some low effort, this is the first post that pinged me. I personally don't like posts like this because they are confusing as heck. This could be the most unneccessary soft claim, or this could be a bait, or this could be anything.
I always ask myself why a town should do this, the last time I saw someone do this they ended up masons with someone and they got lynched.

Anyone beat me to this.


Also I see Long Con and KZA are voted currently. I feel whenever I play here Long Con gets voted somehow. Will drop my opinions once I am cought up.

So looks like Rej is Maf

nah, I am the towniest town to ever town through this town

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But then we have posts like this

Rej probably a wolf for that opening gif.

I’m really good at mafia fyi.

cmon pal, since when are opening gifs scummy? this triggers me, they are part of a Rej with positive mindset

and this

Which sounds *very* genuine to me, and give off really towny vibes in a unique way and specifically contrary to the mindset I believe wolf!Rej would have made his earlier posts with. He sounds unsure of himself based on needing to repeat he's going to slank; but these townyness he feels he has isn't awkward, it's not forced or overblown, it's very natural and not unsure/worried! So, I think he's town

^^on the other hand, this DOES look potentially like w/w interaction

[Sloonei]

Hey, I just pinned that Rej post in my ISO with the intention of circling back later.

[staypositivefriend]

Hey, I just pinned that Rej post in my ISO with the intention of circling back later.

you know what they say about great minds

[Poison]

Btw, my daughter was very distressed by Poison’s avatar.

ohhh I will change it right away.

In my defence, Five is not killing an innocent goldfish but a bad man who kills others .

[DaughterOfOmega]

Will there be an umbrella academy season 3

[Gavial]

hot take chop tmied jack as scum

WDYM?

[Gavial]

Do you feel like Jack felt wolfy from my interaction with them?

[Gavial]

Maybe your scum with Jack and Poison trying to save Poison.

[Gavial]

i think tonystarkprime is town

Elaborate.

[Gavial]

i think tonystarkprime is town

He is.

Ok, you elaborate too!

[Sloonei]

Esooa continued

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@Esooa, if you're still here, tell me if it's valid or not to scumread someone for saying "relaxation is towny".

idk, I think it can be, cause like I said before, it's a bit weird you town read me for that post specifically, when imo there's probably a lot more reasons to town read me with a more solid basis

So I'm thinking on whether if you're a wolf you would just use those better reasons, and so doing it is towny cause it's something that specifically stood out to you worth noting

Or whether if you're a wolf you'd bring that up to sound insightful like Alison said

Not sure on it, I can see it though, but I think you're probably town atm

You answered nothing. I say "relaxation is towny". Someone says "saying that is scummy because it's fundamentally wrong". Do you call BS?

I'm saying I can see what Alison is saying

This is about alison in a roundabout way, but it doesn't tell me much. I read it more as Esooa being a bit uncomfortable with c4's question.

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[VOTE: long con] aubergine

A vote for LC. Noted.

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@Sloonei

Question for you.

spf brought Alison up to you as someone you should suspect. She had two posts at the time.

C4 lays into Alison the second she shows up again.

What's up with that?

this doesn't have anything to do with anything tbh lol

[VOTE: Dom] aubergine feels like he's just openly fishing for lynches

Dom still not partnered, and I'm just gonna start ignoring posts about him here unless something changes.

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BK is prolly just Mafia guys, he has no idea how to get in to the thread

yeh

what do you think of Dom and chopchop?

A generic interaction with KZA. Okay.

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I kinda feel like, based on thread state rn, if Jess is scum a lot of her partners are low posters

Do we know how many mafia there are btw?

I think I agree with this, if she had active partners they'd be simping for her and her biggest defenders are on "this is mostly NAI and I'm bored of it"

not just that but the only person actually pushing someone who isn't Jess is Dom, who *probably* isn't scum with Jess, lol. So, I don't think any scum is pushing outside of Jess

I'm pushing outside of SPF. You trust me?

eh, your c4 push hasn't felt very meaningful to me but maybe I've just not been paying attention to it enough. Guess we'll have to pay more attention to you if Jess is scum, lol

This does not read like a teammate interaction, but it would not be impossible for it to be just that. Tentatively a good look for Alison.

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btw, does anyone remember a single content-ful post ChopChop has made

I just looked and he has 33 posts and I remember none

This is not how teammates talks about each other. Especially not unprompted.

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Alison serious enough early and now they’re probably just town.

??? read

(I'm saying questionable read)

Here's an interaction with Jack that exists.

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addendum: you seem to take issue with me not being comfortable outing a townlean on you in the early game but then outing a townlean on you after the "test" - this is because my early townlean on you was mostly "tone/town!sloonei vibes" - the type of vague, uncharacteristic read that contains generic reasoning that any scum on auto-pilot would be able to out. it felt like a better idea to me to wait until i became more sure of your alignment and also to wait until i could articulate my townread on you better before i decided to publicly state it. your reaction to the "test" gave me the confidence to do exactly that

I liked Jess's post but this feels like a slip sagfdgldfasghkdfg

How is it a slip? I don't get the angle here.

she's admitting that her own read is something a scum would say, is the idea

more so that she's thinking about her reads in terms of "reads a scum would out" as if she's trying to out reads a scum wouldn't consciously, which I mean, is never something I've done as town probably even once?

like I never, as town, think "what would I be doing as scum here"

Well, Alison, Esooa, and Long Con are definitely not all teammates. Esooa provides a read on spf, LC questions it, then Alison gives her interpretation, and Esooa responds to Alison (not LC, who asked in the first place) with an attached follow-up immediately after. That's a weird interaction if the three of them are all on the same team. This all occurred within the span of a couple minutes, so it might mean nothing that she did not respond directly to LC, but I do want to note that this can be read more as Esooa wanting to clarify in response to Alison's position, rather than addressing LC's concerns about her. In that scenario, I would read Alison positively and LC null-to-negatively.

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does anyone know how many scum there would be with typical balancing rules? I looked at how many roles each faction has btw and

vault city 5

the USA people 9

lemme see the others

An attemped derp clear, apparently. I highly doubt Vault City has 5 members if the host post says the Enclave is the larger "mafia" faction. Unless I'm misunderstanding that message.

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I think Jess is not scum

what swayed you?

don't really remember. Just not feeling it

Persistence makes me want to continue being skeptical of SPF, but I think this mostly seals the deal for the two of them not being partnered. This is such an underwhelming conclusion to the dramatic saga of Esooa Trying To Read Staypositivefriend. If they are teammates, she has some relatively long-winded spiel about how spf has done something specific that made her see the light. Instead we get "lol idk."

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nanook can be scum. Probably lightly >rand scum
Rej is town
Poison scummy
C4 has had some weird posts tbh and I'm less sure of them right now but I haven't really agreed with ~any reasons people have been scum reading him so lol
Urist idk. They're taking a really weird angle if scum. I'll probably need to ISO them to give real thoughts cause I haven't cared much

spf provides a list of players for esooa to read.
"nanook can be scum" are the first words she has said about him all game. He gets a second sentence that adds nothing new. No one else gets that treatment in this post. Possible nerves.
Rej is town now. He was scummy earlier. I wonder what happened.
Poison is scum. Interesting.
The other names are c4 (rip) and Urist (not on this team), so let's move on. No one comes out of this looking good, except spf I guess but we already knew that.

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what the fuck is this TSP chopchop read I'm kinda ???????????????????????????? Right now

Don't like it at all

Can you explain more TSP?

Maybe when I get to a computer. But read the first 20-30 posts in their iso (starting day 1). Tell me that you see something that is not a wolf

idk what this means

lol. TSP has never even been to vault city.

A big post explaining the town-read on Rej. I don't know what to make of it right now and will circle back in a separate post later.

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what the fuck is this TSP chopchop read I'm kinda ???????????????????????????? Right now

Don't like it at all

Can you explain more TSP?

Maybe when I get to a computer. But read the first 20-30 posts in their iso (starting day 1). Tell me that you see something that is not a wolf

idk what this means

Read Chop’s posts and tell me they’re town. It feels like every single one gives off wolf vibes

I see

I was just confused then because I thought you town read him

He is very probably a wolf, yes

If Chop is Esooa's teammate, she is ruthless. She does not have ruth.

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I mainly TR Falcon, been vibing with em.

Slightly TR Alison or You (whichever one commented on my TWTBW post, you guys are similar so I don’t remember)

TL Urist and SL Tony

kinda think chop is flying solo here. This looks like someone fumbling around in the dark.

moving chop to mixed.

hate this post

A good look for alison.

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btw I'd like everyone who thinks Mac is scum to say so right now

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are you scum?

no

would ur answer change if I told you I was

no

I think you're scum

why

cause mac low posting is blatantly to avoid being NK'd and he's done it before

He has no reason to low post as scum

So you scum reading that and not actually thinking about his posts is kinda weird

This is a bogus read. That could just be because she wants to shade Alison though. Interesting that she did not shade me for it when I literally said that Alison's read on Mac mirrored my own. [ALSO: This might validate SPF's point that Mac + Esooa are not partnered. If Esooa's primary motive here is shielding Mac, she goes after both me and Alison. Instead she focuses singularly on Alison and doesn't even seem to care about my Mac read.]

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Like idk that it’s really scummy but it’s definitely not townie

pretty sure that's why he is but regardless Alison is still scum reading him for it

i don't really know what this post means, just from a grammatical standpoint. But it also tells me nothing about nanook.

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He made an alt he played on on MU specifically so he could slank and not get night killed so I figured you should know it's something he would do

seems a lot more obvious than he's not posting cause he's scum which is ???

no, I didn't know about his alt. I do know that he has been aggressive even in games where he openly complains about always being the N1 kill because he just can't stop himself from murdering mafia when he's town. I also know that he has said he feels unable to fully replicate the spark of towny energy he has when he is scum, which jives with his uninspired and biteless pushes this game.

why does mac go into a game where he thinks alison and sloonei are powerwolfing and decide that his best move is to afk and try to make it through the night alive while forfeiting thread control to them?

I didn't really get the feeling he believed those reads

But Nanook is probably right it's not actually too big of a deal and I kinda assumed you would think the same thing as me knowing him similarly

but maybe not exactly

Alison definitely does not own property in Vault City. I have no idea where nanook resides. The Mac defense kind of ran out of steam after one post, so I'm inclined to say he only lives in Vault City if Esooa got cold feet while defending him, which seems unlikely. I think this whole exchange is more telling about Alison than anyone else.

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Is it Esooa or is it SPF?

Imma go with SPF.

have you not read my posts bro

No

you'd be town reading me if you did

This exchange is so fluffy, tutuu is probably gushing over it right now. Some of Mac's townie* points are being erased.
*"town points" just being a figure of speech here to mean "not-aligned-with-Esooa." I can make no judgments about potential Enclave members in this ISO.

And that brings us to the end. My main takeaway from Part 2 is that Alison is not Esooa's partner. I am also reassured that spf is not on this team as well. TSP is probably not partnered.
Mac and Nanook are inconclusive. spf suggests Rej as a partner, but I haven't got to that yet.

NOW: we don't know how many members the Vault City faction has. There are a total of 5 possible roles listed, but I think it is unlikely that this a 5-person scum team, since the host post indicates that the Enclave is the larger of the two, so that would mean there are at least 11 "mafia-aligned" players in this game, which strikes me as unlikely. I would expect there to be 3-4 Vault City members. Possibly 2 if anti-town powers are concentrated elsewhere. The two most intriguing names in this ISO are LC and Rej, but there are also several players who are entirely absent.

Actually there is one post that I completely skipped over as insubstantial that I'm about to go highlight for reasons that just occurred to me now.

And also as a final and obligatory note, no one who "looks good" in relation to Esooa can be regarded as a civilian by default, obviously. I'm sure many of them are. But interactions alone do not assure that in this game.

[Gavial]

Let’s not forgot that the person executed yesterday voted directly Tony rather then their voters.
They specifically vote the person who had their vote on me.