Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[TonyStarkPrime]

I don’t think I’ve seen posts from any of these people so it’s at least plausible

[Alison]

Names for the Alison take: Martin, Rej, Grogu

I have not managed to clear Martin. That's a bad sign.

I also said that about BK though.

[Alison]

Rej is implicated by Esooa associatives as well. I'd go there after Chop.

[staypositivefriend]

could someone please give me a brief summary of why chopchop is outed scum? i didn't get to closely read the pages where he got ~outed~

[staypositivefriend]

oh right: epi is not a vault city resident

Why?

Spoiler: show

I'm not reading any of these

Why not?

I'm on mobile and it's too small to read without going through the trouble of making it bigger which meh

@staypositivefriend teach your lover to two finger zoom on mobile before someone mistakes her for an old person.

i'll pass it on :P

[Alison]

could someone please give me a brief summary of why chopchop is outed scum? i didn't get to closely read the pages where he got ~outed~

1) chopchop claims messenger, who sent spacedaisy a message.
2) spacedaisy claims that the message was suspicious (attempting to fish for her role) and contained a scumslip (it left esooa out of the player list, suggesting that the sender knew she would be dead by morning)

[staypositivefriend]

could someone please give me a brief summary of why chopchop is outed scum? i didn't get to closely read the pages where he got ~outed~

1) chopchop claims messenger, who sent spacedaisy a message.
2) spacedaisy claims that the message was suspicious (attempting to fish for her role) and contained a scumslip (it left esooa out of the player list, suggesting that the sender knew she would be dead by morning)

thanks

[MacDougall]

I have placed by vote on Sloonei.

I will make no further posts.

If you want to throw don't sheep me.

Hypothetically what if I were to tell you that I'm a vigilante and if you intend to continue behaving like this then I am going to shoot you at night to resolve your alignment and sheep you if you flip town

Im sorry I just do not have the time to hurl myself mac style into this game. It is not without precedent I assure you.

[MacDougall]

I am actually surprised I've found the time to be here as much as I actually have.

Rej is mafia.

Sloonei and/or Alison are mafia.

Facts.

[MacDougall]

That eod yesterday was the world's most obvious save.

Step 1. Prove it by flipping Rej who will flip Enclave.

Step 2. Obliterate the BoKnows wagon in alphabetical order.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Slips aren’t real but I’ll buy it

Even tho I still don’t know who chopchop is and it’s bugging the shit out of me

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Slips aren’t real but I’ll buy it

Even tho I still don’t know who chopchop is and it’s bugging the shit out of me

This is me calling a chop vote which is uh

Something I didn’t realize I had to do in this game

Sorry jay

In my defense I’m illiterate

[MacDougall]

Nanook stop randing mafia

[staypositivefriend]

Nanook stop randing mafia

ikr

[staypositivefriend]

Nanook stop randing mafia

do u have any thoughts on dom

[MacDougall]

Nanook stop randing mafia

do u have any thoughts on dom

Im probs one of the few ppl in this game with meta on Dom so its important to note my opinion.

I dunno.

[MacDougall]

Im kidding he's probs one of the town crew going on how I remember how people react to town Dom.

[Urist]

i think i know who eldridge is anyway LOL

here's a spicy take

[VOTE: alison] aubergine

Who did you think it was? You obviously didn't think it was me.

Marmot. I thought his "i won't bother reading c4" was bc he had shot him.

[DaughterOfOmega]

yes

[Long Con]

I think Dom is town. As someone said, scum Dom doesn't get so into the vicious back-and-forth - that comes from Dom knowing that he is right, and believing fully that his opponent is a wolf trying to take him down.

I get the feeling that LC is prob vault city so idk why he's getting wagonned atm but i said i'd sheep mac so
Poison's reaction to tsp on d0 is +enclave
C4 & spf are enclave

Like literally everyone is enclave except lc

what is vault city and why is LC that

okay, so this post is probably useful cause it's esooa's reaction to vault city and LC - whom she scum read (up to this point at least). LC can be vault city here and their interaction might have been distancing but I am just going to read this over and over again and get paranoid. tbh, I thought LC was town as far as I remember.

Esooa's reaction (pretending not to know what Vault City was) and her mentioning me... those are two separate things with no connection that Esooa created. Urist is the one who connected me with Vault City for some incomprehensible reason. Esooa just responded directly to that. It could have been any name, and she would have said the same. It was intended to derpclear her.

@staypositivefriend how do you see LC-esooa interaction?

i havent looked at them yet, but the specific point that sloonei brought up about esooa pretending not to know what faction long con was accused of being is 10000000000% something she would do to her partner

i think i worded that badly but w/e

That doesn't make sense. Agaim, her pretending the derpclear had nothing to do with my name, I was only in there because Urist brought me up.

@staypositivefriend how do you see LC-esooa interaction?

i havent looked at them yet, but the specific point that sloonei brought up about esooa pretending not to know what faction long con was accused of being is 10000000000% something she would do to her partner

i think i worded that badly but w/e

that was me who pointed it !!! out but yes it did look bad on LC.

Actually, no it didn't. And it certainly isn't as powerful an indicator as the entirety of my interaction with Esooa, which heavily shows we're not aligned.

That might be a good place to start. Find anything like that in my history and you get to apply to have the right to accuse me of it.

I don't think LC is the kind to go for the "I am so obviously cleared town you're either scum or a moron if you refuse to clear me off this interaction" line as scum. I have positive feelings about LC right now.

You're goddamn right I don't. Like SPF is saying "I'm so towncleared for reasons I won't say that you have to clear me IF you're town" and I'm like "what the hell is this?" I at least have several back-and-forth posts with Esooa backing up my clear, and I don't even usually do that. I certainly don't recall ever doing it when it's not true.

And I wouldn't decide to townread Esooa in the late Day for a single post if we're bad together. I keep on distancing. She wasn't at risk of a yeet at that point.

That might be a good place to start. Find anything like that in my history and you get to apply to have the right to accuse me of it.

I don't think LC is the kind to go for the "I am so obviously cleared town you're either scum or a moron if you refuse to clear me off this interaction" line as scum. I have positive feelings about LC right now.

I dunno, LC is one of the most versatile scum players I've ever seen.

F this. [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine You're just mafia.

Considering the possibility that this entire thing is actually just a ploy to distract us from ... something?

If it's a ploy then Chop is in on it. If Chop is in on it then he's scum. We can lock in our decisions to exe Chop, and talk about other concerns so we don't get distracted.

I don't think it's a ploy.

Who kills Esooa is the other question to have in mind

Mac might kill Esooa - they have history, and she caught him last time he was scum.

LC might kill Esooa. They were pretty harsh on each other, and Esooa was universally townread so killing a hostile player disguised as a generic consensus town kill is not unreasonable.

I don't have a kill.

Theory: mafia piled on BK to make him die over c4, so that c4 and Dom would burn the thread down screaming at each other and block any solving from being done.

I think they were done with the burning, but I could be wrong.

[Alison]

I townread LC. Two people who know Dom's meta have said he is town, and I did feel he was relatively townie D1 despite deepwolf concerns. I don't think Dom should be the D2/D3 exe.

Looking at Rej, possibly Tony, Epignosis.

@Epignosis, your reads?

[falcon45ca]

fine I'll call

[VOTE: ChopChop[\vote]] aubergine

[VOTE:

I’ll raise

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime[\vote]] aubergine] aubergine

[VOTE: [VOTE:

You can't raise a call, jeez don't you know poker?] aubergine] aubergine

[Gavial]

@ChopChop why did you target Spacedaisy out of everyone in the game?

I wanna to go for a Null read that didn’t give that much yesterday so I can get a more solid read on them.

[Gavial]

Wanted*

[Jackofhearts2005]

big brain theory is that chop and daisy are both enclave.

That is a big brain theory. But neither Chop nor Daisy are the kind to come up with a strategy this sneaky, which means there is a mastermind directing this sequence of events from BTSC. Esooa could, I could, neither of us are Enclave. Mac could be the mastermind, but it doesn't suit his style to go full Light Yagami in scum chat and afk in the thread.

Who do you think is the mastermind if this is true? I lean towards it not being true and Daisy just being town. The mix of paranoia and emotion in her post was struck very precisely, and it is not easy to fake.

I don't believe it's true.

but i could see lc pulling something like that. maayyyyybe epi or dom. it's got a very old school syndicate feel.

but i'm not seriously entertaining the theory.

if it's got an old school syndicate feel that I'd also have to include daisy's name on the list. let's not assume she's not a capable schemer.

Sure, but Daisy also has low posted this game. If I consider two options

1) Daisy isn't paying that much attention to the game at large and she comes up with a fancy self clearing gambit

2) Daisy isn't paying that much attention to the game at large so wolves try to pocket her/get a roleclaim out of her

Like that second one makes more sense to me.

I assume this hasn't been addressed yet because I got no notifications from Daisy or Chop but I really want to know why Chop choose Daisy.



And if I'm a townie notepasser, I'm gonna tend to pass a note to someone I trust and idk why town Chop would trust Daisy as of N1.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: VOTE REJ] aubergine


Barely played the game until it was close to NF and he had to save his skin. What's he done lately?

[Urist]

hi @ChopChop

would love to hear a summary of what you sent spacedaisy last night, and why you chose her.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Oh hey, Chop is right here. Chop, answer my question n shit.

[Jackofhearts2005]

hi @ChopChop

would love to hear a summary of what you sent spacedaisy last night, and why you chose her.

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[Gavial]

Still think Jack could easily be scum here but I’m not gonna rush the gun on anything yet.

Why not? Isn't your name "chop chop"?

Yeah my thoughts go Chop Chop!
My vote goes Chop Chop on the hand!
No use my power yet!

Is this a PR claim?

Chop claiming PR as scum here is a little weird.

No, I was referring to my power to vote.
But I am PR, I claimed later down the thread from where you are.

[Jackofhearts2005]

The thing about the "why does Chop do this if he is scum" arguments is this. What if he *is* town? He's never getting NKed. We can't have him around at FX. He has to be resolved by force because this is too huge to ignore. And if Occam's Razor holds true and he is scum, we get a headstart on analyzing all his spew. Just kill the scumslipped slot and move from there rather than mindgaming yourself into a bad exe.

The implication here is that nobody can self clear through nonmechanical means and we should just yeet anyone we're unclear about. I hate that implication and I say that as someone who suspects Chopchop.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Considering the possibility that this entire thing is actually just a ploy to distract us from ... something?

Lissen, my friend's republican mother on Facebook.

[Gavial]

pretty sure chop just claimed wolf

spell this out in case anyone here missed it

I’m not wolf, but I may or may not have been the one to give one of those null’s a letter from the BOS.

oh.

okay.

I see why you're outed now.

If I was wolf, why would I immediately reveal?
It makes more sense to just hide and change my claim.
Reason I revealed is because not revealing now just makes me look worse later.

[TonyStarkPrime]

The thing about the "why does Chop do this if he is scum" arguments is this. What if he *is* town? He's never getting NKed. We can't have him around at FX. He has to be resolved by force because this is too huge to ignore. And if Occam's Razor holds true and he is scum, we get a headstart on analyzing all his spew. Just kill the scumslipped slot and move from there rather than mindgaming yourself into a bad exe.

The implication here is that nobody can self clear through nonmechanical means and we should just yeet anyone we're unclear about. I hate that implication and I say that as someone who suspects Chopchop.

That's a bit of a leap. I think the implication is chop can't self clear through nonmechanical means and we're well beyond this point

[Jackofhearts2005]

Preflipping Chop -> Urist, poison town, Jack wolf? (?) or maybe switch poison and Jack idk

If Chop is what alignment?

[TonyStarkPrime]

wolf

[Jackofhearts2005]

The thing about the "why does Chop do this if he is scum" arguments is this. What if he *is* town? He's never getting NKed. We can't have him around at FX. He has to be resolved by force because this is too huge to ignore. And if Occam's Razor holds true and he is scum, we get a headstart on analyzing all his spew. Just kill the scumslipped slot and move from there rather than mindgaming yourself into a bad exe.

The implication here is that nobody can self clear through nonmechanical means and we should just yeet anyone we're unclear about. I hate that implication and I say that as someone who suspects Chopchop.

That's a bit of a leap. I think the implication is chop can't self clear through nonmechanical means and we're well beyond this point

Fair. But this is my first game with Chop so I'm autocorrecting it to "nobody" and you can't stop me.

[TonyStarkPrime]

small brain: chop is town note passer
big brain: chop is wolf note passer
galaxy brain: chop didn't even send the message but this is a weird cover play for whoever did
universe brain: chop is VT

[Jackofhearts2005]

wolf

Lol okay.

[Gavial]

Regardless it doesn't matter. Chop lied about not using his power. Messenger is not a role you play cagey about - it's not like a one-shot vigilante or a one-shot doctor. There was no reason for town Chop to lie.

No I didn’t lie.
I didn’t vote yet, then later I decided to place my vote.
Called Strat.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Jay should just flip chop as VT no matter his actual role so I can freak out in thread

[Jackofhearts2005]

The thing about the "why does Chop do this if he is scum" arguments is this. What if he *is* town? He's never getting NKed. We can't have him around at FX. He has to be resolved by force because this is too huge to ignore. And if Occam's Razor holds true and he is scum, we get a headstart on analyzing all his spew. Just kill the scumslipped slot and move from there rather than mindgaming yourself into a bad exe.

The implication here is that nobody can self clear through nonmechanical means and we should just yeet anyone we're unclear about. I hate that implication and I say that as someone who suspects Chopchop.

Me in the politics board: Look, I agree with your base evaluation but I dislike the way you're making the argument.

[Urist]

ngl i'm slowly buying into the theory that chopchop and spacedaisy are both wolves

[Gavial]

Honestly the Jack CW faded from yesterday.
Not sure if that means Jack is scum but I’m kinda worried about it.

As for Tony, I really just believe their entire push on me since day 1 is scum faking it here.
I honestly just don’t believe town plays like this.

[Alison]

The thing about the "why does Chop do this if he is scum" arguments is this. What if he *is* town? He's never getting NKed. We can't have him around at FX. He has to be resolved by force because this is too huge to ignore. And if Occam's Razor holds true and he is scum, we get a headstart on analyzing all his spew. Just kill the scumslipped slot and move from there rather than mindgaming yourself into a bad exe.

The implication here is that nobody can self clear through nonmechanical means and we should just yeet anyone we're unclear about. I hate that implication and I say that as someone who suspects Chopchop.

No the implication is that you should exe scummy people because if you're scum you want to exe them and if they're town you don't want them around to lose the game in FX.

[Jackofhearts2005]

i'm surprised at how little i know about jack's behind-the-scenes presence as scum. i think we've only been teammates once, and i was a sub who got chopped almost immediately.

I spend as much time telling unhelpful jokes in wolf chat as I do in game threads.

[Gavial]

The thing about the "why does Chop do this if he is scum" arguments is this. What if he *is* town? He's never getting NKed. We can't have him around at FX. He has to be resolved by force because this is too huge to ignore. And if Occam's Razor holds true and he is scum, we get a headstart on analyzing all his spew. Just kill the scumslipped slot and move from there rather than mindgaming yourself into a bad exe.

Wow.
Thanks for borderline calling me a PL.

[Jackofhearts2005]

who kills wilgy?

Someone with a PR read that was wrong.

Someone who is so deeply embedded in the towncore that they face suspicion if towncore members start dying and they are still alive, so they fake a PR hunt.

Possibly a vigilante, with the Vault City kill blocked by a doctor.

I'm not gonna check but doesn't Vault City have a limited number of factional kills? If so, it wouldn't be out of the question for them to just holster.

[Gavial]

Chop is TWTBAW ez

yuck

Agreed.
Saying I’m “TWTBAW” is flawed logic.
It’s the same as “TWTBT”.
It’s essentially a very low effort evaluation towards my slot.

Indeed, too wolfy to be town

Oh wait it was Alison that sent that message?!?!
Yeah they Town.

[TonyStarkPrime]

The thing about the "why does Chop do this if he is scum" arguments is this. What if he *is* town? He's never getting NKed. We can't have him around at FX. He has to be resolved by force because this is too huge to ignore. And if Occam's Razor holds true and he is scum, we get a headstart on analyzing all his spew. Just kill the scumslipped slot and move from there rather than mindgaming yourself into a bad exe.

Wow.
Thanks for borderline calling me a PL.

scumslip less?