Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[KZA]

What role-related stuff did Grogu do?

He claimed to be green i.e. one of the "somewhat" town roles on D0, I think that's all

[Urist]

Can you explain how you think I TMI'd c4 town? I skimmed some of his ISO and I liked what I saw. Considering the number of players in this game, I didn't feel the need to read his whole ISO. I didn't have time for that. I know you asked me to read him more in depth, but again, I didn't have the time (or really much interest either).

That's not really tmi.

tmi isn't the right expression i guess. more like, the impression i got was that you set c4 aside. convincing other people of your read on him wasn't important, the votes on him weren't concerning, etc. it felt like you were satisfied to simply answer that you town-read him, without taking that read to the next step and doing something with it.

[Gavial]

k galaxy brain: chop thought SD was scum, and then wrote a bad message to try to bridge the gap between the scum teams, which is what the last paragraph is about. then when SD said her first thing, he misunderstood and thought that was recognition of his scuminess and acceptance, and so he claimed it to try to make the connection. everything else has been back pedalling ever since

Thought you SR me?
Or are you suggesting I’m hunting other scum?

[Gavial]

what exactly was in the message? does mafia use up a message ability night one?

If I recall correctly, mafia’s other ability is more useful then the message so if I was mafia I could see myself using the more useful one first before the message.
But I also don’t entirely know because I’d have to be in that position.

[Urist]

What role-related stuff did Grogu do?

He claimed to be green i.e. one of the "somewhat" town roles on D0, I think that's all

this. not worth sorting grogu yet.

[Sloonei]

What role-related stuff did Grogu do?

Said “I’m green” and then dipped for the rest of the game.

[Gavial]

Just give us some reads man

I’ve given multiple.
Any specific read/reads you want?

Just a quick summary of any stronger ones would work best for me

Jack - Scum
Falcon - Town
Urist - Lean Town
Jack - Lean Scum
Daisy - Leany Town
EPig - Leany Null Town

Reads so wild and wacky they can only be from a town. All ChopChop haters are now mafia.

Lmao some scummy I got two scumreads.

If I were to read my entire thing, I posted below the full scum read is on Tony not you.

[Gavial]

Although if you wanna claim scum with Tony I’m all ears.

[Gavial]

ngl, I tried to start getting into this game, and people have non stopped talked about WIFOM about a claimed power

what an interesting day 2

What else would you like to talk about?

something that makes me happy

What do you do on a typical Friday night?

[Urist]

@staypositivefriend are you around

[Gavial]

urist is right there

Well he removes Esooa, Urist, and Rej from his final pool of 5 from the wagon of 8.

Because there's not a sentence about Esooa he's scum?

no he's scum for other reasons but yes also that

Ok mind sharing those “other reasons” with the rest of the class?

[Gavial]

I think we should keep an eye out on this individual.
Never know with that guy.

[Urist]

@staypositivefriend i showed you my reads please respond

[KZA]

@staypositivefriend i showed you my reads please respond

you didn't read me damnit but yes I'll coast

[Marmot]

What role-related stuff did Grogu do?

He claimed to be green i.e. one of the "somewhat" town roles on D0, I think that's all

That's what I thought at first, but Grogu's also a green yoda creature and that's his color, so I don't even know how much to believe it.

[Marmot]

Can you explain how you think I TMI'd c4 town? I skimmed some of his ISO and I liked what I saw. Considering the number of players in this game, I didn't feel the need to read his whole ISO. I didn't have time for that. I know you asked me to read him more in depth, but again, I didn't have the time (or really much interest either).

That's not really tmi.

tmi isn't the right expression i guess. more like, the impression i got was that you set c4 aside. convincing other people of your read on him wasn't important, the votes on him weren't concerning, etc. it felt like you were satisfied to simply answer that you town-read him, without taking that read to the next step and doing something with it.

I guess I don't see anything wrong with that. I was satisfied with his content, so I'm going to hunt for scum elsewhere.

[DaughterOfOmega]

Tried playing league again today, second ranked game played against 3 smurfs, 2 were duo and the AD in the duo was grandmaster main account.

He then was shit talking me in all chat.

Why I want to break my laptop when playing video games

[Urist]

@staypositivefriend i showed you my reads please respond

you didn't read me damnit but yes I'll coast

leaning town

[KZA]

It struck me as tonally off in a way I don't know if I can quite adequately explain but two things--

the scumread on you comes from your read on LC, and they say that LC is "very likely wolf", so presumably thinking w/w. I presume the scumread from the vote but note a bit of a deflection from making a direct read in that post. Anyways, I don't think they've interacted with LC in a way that prompts this sort of associative read. I guess you asked them for the post, so the response was forced, but ok

then back to back "You didn't explain your LC town read and I didn't like that" and "past that I still don't really get why you think the mason thing is towny", which are not two reasonable consecutive thoughts imo.

But the tonal shift thing is good and the sort of thing town would 100 percent be thinking about so idk. I didn't really notice that sort of thing from LC

Like I think Esooa's scumread of LC is contrived and then the fact that they move from that to an associative scumread of Sloonei for townreading LC feels even more contrived

If anything Sloonei is TMIing LC as town with something like that, you don't not like that townread and still think that LC is a wolf

hot take: KZA is Epi bait and this read from Epi is >rand town for Epi and conveys nothing about KZA

So TSP decently town

I encapsulated this quick burst of posts from him and it just feels like actual progression of him talking himself through a read and what could be going on here. It just seems real.

Last quote is simply helpful and probably rings true since Epi stated I was a tough read in Spiderverse (Epi and I both town in Spiderverse)

I'm like 99% on him not being Vault City

There's of course the tinfoil I could explore of TSP being Enclave with some combo of LC and/or Sloonei and/or Epi but I won't worry about that today and think he sounds too natural anyway

[Urist]

hard claim green team I think I am town I guess

i don't think it's really up for debate what he was claiming

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: chopchop] aubergine

Game is silly and I’m tired of thinking about it.

[KZA]

I can't figure out if I actually lose anything by claiming my faction

[Marmot]

Tried playing league again today, second ranked game played against 3 smurfs, 2 were duo and the AD in the duo was grandmaster main account.

He then was shit talking me in all chat.

Why I want to break my laptop when playing video games

That's the worst.

I hope you didn't break your laptop because some conceited grandmaster thought it'd be fun to dunk on you.

[Urist]

Can you explain how you think I TMI'd c4 town? I skimmed some of his ISO and I liked what I saw. Considering the number of players in this game, I didn't feel the need to read his whole ISO. I didn't have time for that. I know you asked me to read him more in depth, but again, I didn't have the time (or really much interest either).

That's not really tmi.

tmi isn't the right expression i guess. more like, the impression i got was that you set c4 aside. convincing other people of your read on him wasn't important, the votes on him weren't concerning, etc. it felt like you were satisfied to simply answer that you town-read him, without taking that read to the next step and doing something with it.

I guess I don't see anything wrong with that. I was satisfied with his content, so I'm going to hunt for scum elsewhere.

i'm not putting a ton of stock in it btw. the more i think about the reasoning for my read on you the less sense it makes, and i'll admit i don't have a great handle on the game state atm and am mostly waiting for more flips.
definitely also taking into account that i misread you twice in the video maf games we played.
there's a reason i have you as a tier-two read anyway, on par with the guy whose main offence is being suspected by the enclave kill.

[Marmot]

hard claim green team I think I am town I guess

i don't think it's really up for debate what he was claiming

Yeah, but this is the correct green color used for this game: #40FF40. Grogu used this one: #40BF40.

[DaughterOfOmega]

Tried playing league again today, second ranked game played against 3 smurfs, 2 were duo and the AD in the duo was grandmaster main account.

He then was shit talking me in all chat.

Why I want to break my laptop when playing video games

That's the worst.

I hope you didn't break your laptop because some conceited grandmaster thought it'd be fun to dunk on you.

oh dw the account just got permabanned after I spent 10 minutes breaking down why he has no life, and how low of a life form he is.

so now I can go back to doing sometihng fun, if that exists

[Marmot]

Can you explain how you think I TMI'd c4 town? I skimmed some of his ISO and I liked what I saw. Considering the number of players in this game, I didn't feel the need to read his whole ISO. I didn't have time for that. I know you asked me to read him more in depth, but again, I didn't have the time (or really much interest either).

That's not really tmi.

tmi isn't the right expression i guess. more like, the impression i got was that you set c4 aside. convincing other people of your read on him wasn't important, the votes on him weren't concerning, etc. it felt like you were satisfied to simply answer that you town-read him, without taking that read to the next step and doing something with it.

I guess I don't see anything wrong with that. I was satisfied with his content, so I'm going to hunt for scum elsewhere.

i'm not putting a ton of stock in it btw. the more i think about the reasoning for my read on you the less sense it makes, and i'll admit i don't have a great handle on the game state atm and am mostly waiting for more flips.
definitely also taking into account that i misread you twice in the video maf games we played.
there's a reason i have you as a tier-two read anyway, on par with the guy whose main offence is being suspected by the enclave kill.

I am a tier-two player afterall.

[Urist]

I can't figure out if I actually lose anything by claiming my faction

enclave probably have a host of potential PR claims and therefore would have a much easier time deducing your role.

[KZA]

hard claim green team I think I am town I guess

i don't think it's really up for debate what he was claiming

Yeah, but this is the correct green color used for this game: #40FF40. Grogu used this one: #40BF40.

ah the old hex colour tell, definitely bagged a few wolves off that one in my day

[KZA]

I can't figure out if I actually lose anything by claiming my faction

enclave probably have a host of potential PR claims and therefore would have a much easier time deducing your role.

yeah probably optimal not to

I don't think my role is that helpful in my hands but

[Urist]

hard claim green team I think I am town I guess

i don't think it's really up for debate what he was claiming

Yeah, but this is the correct green color used for this game: #40FF40. Grogu used this one: #40BF40.

found the web developer

[Marmot]

I can't figure out if I actually lose anything by claiming my faction

enclave probably have a host of potential PR claims and therefore would have a much easier time deducing your role.

Up to you, but I could see it possibly posing a problem if we don't start yeeting Enclave soon.

[DaughterOfOmega]

my heart is racing too much with the anger spike, I'm going to try and lay down and watch gintama, which I don't have crunchyroll premium so more like 10 hours of ads

[Marmot]

I can't figure out if I actually lose anything by claiming my faction

enclave probably have a host of potential PR claims and therefore would have a much easier time deducing your role.

yeah probably optimal not to

I don't think my role is that helpful in my hands but

Are you giving out guns again? Can I have one?

[Marmot]

Tried playing league again today, second ranked game played against 3 smurfs, 2 were duo and the AD in the duo was grandmaster main account.

He then was shit talking me in all chat.

Why I want to break my laptop when playing video games

That's the worst.

I hope you didn't break your laptop because some conceited grandmaster thought it'd be fun to dunk on you.

oh dw the account just got permabanned after I spent 10 minutes breaking down why he has no life, and how low of a life form he is.

so now I can go back to doing sometihng fun, if that exists

If only Grandmaster League players were as cool as Pro NBA players who show up at a random street court, school the local players, but joke and have fun with them anyway rather than trashing talking them.

[Urist]

you're too nice marmot

[Marmot]

I'm just a 9 living my best 9 life.

[Urist]

9_9 what's this

[DaughterOfOmega]

I'm just a 9 living my best 9 life.

marmot is claiming ninja

ez vote

gg

[Urist]

going to bed, hopefully won't wake up to spf shitting all over my reads KNOCK ON WOOD

[Marmot]

going to bed, hopefully won't wake up to spf shitting all over my reads KNOCK ON WOOD

I don't know if Mac has done his pooping thing yet. I'll leave it at that.


9 is in reference to my Enneagram number. But also yes, how do I get this ninja role?

[staypositivefriend]

going to bed, hopefully won't wake up to spf shitting all over my reads KNOCK ON WOOD

im about to ruin this mans whole career

[Sloonei]

Someone in this thread right now is not town.

[KZA]

Someone in this thread right now is not town.

probably the rock squirrel

[Sloonei]

Someone in this thread right now is not town.

probably the rock squirrel

I keep coming back to him too.

[staypositivefriend]

here are some reads, delivered as promised:

Alison, ChopChop, DaughterOfOmega, Grogu are all being given passes due to role-related stuff.
I had some suspicion of Alison pre-claim due to some stuff from d1. In particular, she pushed both c4 and bo, was suspected by esooa, and I felt like she was trying to pocket me a little bit with the whole "oh no we're on the same page something is wrong ha ha" thing. Additionally, the mac read late d1 was pretty bad / shallow; that's what got me looking at alison to begin with.

Esooa pushed a few people d1, but at EoD she was most suspicious of Bo, Alison, Dom and ChopChop. Of these, we can remove Bo and Alison, and I really don't think Esooa is the kill if the enclave are specifically looking to protect ChopChop.
So from a straight kill-analysis perspective, Dom looks the most guilty. His absence from the thread so far is worrisome as well. His d1 did look genuine even if he was pushing a townie (c4) and someone I think is probably town (spf), but kill analysis is definitely a thing.

falcon45ca seemed fine d1, but recently my view of him has gotten a bit more negative. I really do feel like the vote on Alison was a way to sneakily remove his vote from Rej. Tinfoil aside, his focus on Alison throughout the day and his declaration of Grogu as his third-top suspect both ping me a little bit. If Rej flips enclave I would look more closely here.

Marmot kind of TMI'd c4 as town on d1 I think. He never really interacted with c4 at all, and just decided that he was town. He also promoted the BoKnows wagon but never voted there, which is a big red flag for me. He also was voting ChopChop for a while on d1, but refrained from doing the same d2 even while saying that he still thought ChopChop was mafia. I think that if Chop is enclave, I'd look sternly in Marmot's direction foremost.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME is playing his town game, pretty sure. Can't say much more than that it's meta-based.

Poison I still think is likely enclave. She popped in at some point d2 to make a few jokes and sit on ChopChop's fence. She also spent some time specifically looking for vault city members. There are also more questions than conclusions. Like I just read her iso and I have absolutely no idea what her reads are supposed to be. I would be down to yeet this whenever.

Rej just pops in whenever he's mentioned and says nothing of import. Probably enclave. I deeply regret placing what was probably the deciding vote to save him yesterday.

staypositivefriend seems town. I had a slight maf read on her at the start of d1 which I continued throughout the day mostly to annoy her but also because I felt that there was partner indicators between her and c4 at the beginning of the game. Esooa also had a town read on her so I'm comfortable to sheep that for the next few days regardless.

TonyStarkPrime I don't have a strong read either way, probably slightly further on the town side. I'm not interested in solving him any time soon, just mentioning him because someone specifically asked me for my read. I do think that he might be enclave with Poison due to some of the interactions there, but there's mostly interactions from Poison's direction so I wouldn't be interested in continuing that line of thought unless Poison flips enclave.

tl;dr:
Alison, ChopChop, Grogu, DoO, Nanook, spf town of varying degrees.
Rej & Poison primary enclave suspects.
Marmot & Dom are secondary suspects.
falcon tertiary suspect.
No strong reads on the other players.

thank you

i could nitpick this but it just helps in general to hear you explain your reads with any level of detail

[staypositivefriend]

Someone in this thread right now is not town.

yes

[DaughterOfOmega]

Someone in this thread right now is not town.

Slooney says this as he joins the thread

[Marmot]

Whew, good thing I left for a bit

[Sloonei]

Someone in this thread right now is not town.

Slooney says this as he joins the thread

You never told me how you read me earlier.