Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[Gavial]

Trust me on this Urist.
If Alison is Slaver, we will know by morning.
Just make sure I’m able to live another day to determine Falcon’s accusation on Alison.

[Gavial]

@falcon45ca
Don’t target anyone else tonight just in case Alison isn’t Slaver and you target the actual one.

We need to confirm Alison tonight.

[Gavial]

I should be able to confirm Falcon’s check tonight.
Then we can be real Masons if he Legit.

Do it. We'll be Mason pals for life...or at least until the end of this game

Hey we can also be Masons in other games we play together too!

[Urist]

I should be able to confirm Falcon’s check tonight.
Then we can be real Masons if he Legit.

i have a feeling that grogu isn't going to be claiming tracker/watcher LOL

[falcon45ca]

I should be able to confirm Falcon’s check tonight.
Then we can be real Masons if he Legit.

i have a feeling that grogu isn't going to be claiming tracker/watcher LOL

Do tell. What do you think Grogu's role is then?

[Gavial]

I should be able to confirm Falcon’s check tonight.
Then we can be real Masons if he Legit.

i have a feeling that grogu isn't going to be claiming tracker/watcher LOL

Why’s that?

[Gavial]

When’s EoD?

[Urist]

I should be able to confirm Falcon’s check tonight.
Then we can be real Masons if he Legit.

i have a feeling that grogu isn't going to be claiming tracker/watcher LOL

Why’s that?

setting aside the likely situation where grogu hasn't read anything all game...
let's say that grogu watches alison and sees only falcon visit her.
even if he's paying close attention and gleans the fact that falcon role-copped alison, why would that make him a wolf in grogu's eyes? that doesn't make any sense. the more rational action for grogu to take there is to back falcon up, not call him a wolf.

[Urist]

When’s EoD?

about 8.5h

my daughter's first birthday is today so i have to leave the thread at like 5pm. might be able to check in ~15mins before deadline but idk yet.

[falcon45ca]

I should be able to confirm Falcon’s check tonight.
Then we can be real Masons if he Legit.

i have a feeling that grogu isn't going to be claiming tracker/watcher LOL

Why’s that?

setting aside the likely situation where grogu hasn't read anything all game...
let's say that grogu watches alison and sees only falcon visit her.
even if he's paying close attention and gleans the fact that falcon role-copped alison, why would that make him a wolf in grogu's eyes? that doesn't make any sense. the more rational action for grogu to take there is to back falcon up, not call him a wolf.

Why are you assuming that Grogu is being honest? Look at my push of Alison, tell me you don't believe that I checked her

[falcon45ca]

When’s EoD?

about 8.5h

my daughter's first birthday is today so i have to leave the thread at like 5pm. might be able to check in ~15mins before deadline but idk yet.

Happy Birthday to the lil' one!

[Grogu]

Has falcon claimed anything? I have reasons to believe he is a baddie

Do tell.




Lemme guess, your scum chat has told you I've been calling you out for days now, and you'd better make a soft claim re: his role?



I'm all ears dude. This'll be good

No. More like I was annoyed why you were pushing me since I am town and claimed as such. Then I targeted you and there’s something you not telling us. So I now know you are scum based on this. Therefore I want to kill you now, you picked on the baby but I have powers and I will end you. Kindly

[Alison]

I am not the Slaver. Falcon is full of shit.

[Grogu]

OOOOOO MORE SPICE

Sadly that’s all the spice I got. Your move scum @falcon45ca

Why don't you look at my pushes this past RD, I'm sure you'll be able to figure it out

grogu is claiming you are 100% guilty, you should just fullclaim.

As far as I can see, Grogu hasn't said I'm 100% guilty of. I'd like to hear what he has to say I'm guilty of first.

What did you do last night. What action did you use on Alison?

[Urist]

I should be able to confirm Falcon’s check tonight.
Then we can be real Masons if he Legit.

i have a feeling that grogu isn't going to be claiming tracker/watcher LOL

Why’s that?

setting aside the likely situation where grogu hasn't read anything all game...
let's say that grogu watches alison and sees only falcon visit her.
even if he's paying close attention and gleans the fact that falcon role-copped alison, why would that make him a wolf in grogu's eyes? that doesn't make any sense. the more rational action for grogu to take there is to back falcon up, not call him a wolf.

Why are you assuming that Grogu is being honest? Look at my push of Alison, tell me you don't believe that I checked her

you didn't start pushing the idea that she was the slaver until after she claimed, so yeah I find it hard to believe that you had a guilty result on her at the start of day.

[Urist]

When’s EoD?

about 8.5h

my daughter's first birthday is today so i have to leave the thread at like 5pm. might be able to check in ~15mins before deadline but idk yet.

Happy Birthday to the lil' one!

thanks!

[falcon45ca]

Has falcon claimed anything? I have reasons to believe he is a baddie

Do tell.




Lemme guess, your scum chat has told you I've been calling you out for days now, and you'd better make a soft claim re: his role?



I'm all ears dude. This'll be good

No. More like I was annoyed why you were pushing me since I am town and claimed as such. Then I targeted you and there’s something you not telling us. So I now know you are scum based on this. Therefore I want to kill you now, you picked on the baby but I have powers and I will end you. Kindly

How do you know I was pushing you? I've made roughly 5 posts about you, you read all that catch up in your short time? Also, you're saying I pushed you BEFORE your action, which is why you targeted me, but let's take a look at my ISO and see how often I pushed you before last NF.



How about you tell us what you suspect I'm not telling? Cuz' it's pretty clear that I've been on Alison since the start of this RD, as a result of my action on her during the night phase.

[Alison]

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Grogu says he's lying. I say he's lying. Flip him and clear me. If I am Slaver then his flipping investigative outs me and I lose the game, so I have nothing to gain from flipping him if I am Slaver. If Falcon is cop then he should be more than happy to flip and out me and Grogu. No town would balk at trading their lives for two scum.

[Grogu]

I should be able to confirm Falcon’s check tonight.
Then we can be real Masons if he Legit.

i have a feeling that grogu isn't going to be claiming tracker/watcher LOL

Why’s that?

setting aside the likely situation where grogu hasn't read anything all game...
let's say that grogu watches alison and sees only falcon visit her.
even if he's paying close attention and gleans the fact that falcon role-copped alison, why would that make him a wolf in grogu's eyes? that doesn't make any sense. the more rational action for grogu to take there is to back falcon up, not call him a wolf.

Why are you assuming that Grogu is being honest? Look at my push of Alison, tell me you don't believe that I checked her

Oh so it was a check? Hmm that kinda makes sense. Nvm
I saw falcon not claiming as him hiding info from us but makes sense if he wants to stay alive plus he stopped being annoying and talking about me. I just never thought it would be a check because why not check me? I guess it makes sense now that you mention it.
Ok VOTE Alison

[Grogu]

I am not the Slaver. Falcon is full of shit.

I do not think so. He must have info on you for a fact. Sorry I wished he was lying and hiding info but it makes sense now.

[Alison]

Falcon's actions do not make sense as a check.

He voted me on the pretext that he thought I was TMI-ing the existence of Metzger. He did not vote me at the start of the Day and he did not vote me after I made my claim.

If you tracked him to me (or watched him visiting me), it's more than likely he was performing a scum action on me.

[Alison]

I am not the Slaver. Falcon is full of shit.

I do not think so. He must have info on you for a fact. Sorry I wished he was lying and hiding info but it makes sense now.

He does not. I repeat, if I am Slaver I have no incentive to flip Falcon because once he flips investigative I lose the game immediately. 3Ps want to survive at all cost, and confirming the person who checked them as being town is a death knell. Falcon is scum, and he's locked into claiming a red check on me so he's trying to suicide bomb me.

[Grogu]

Falcon I get alerts when you say my name and I saw the last page in the End of day of you calling me scum. That is all

[Grogu]

I am not the Slaver. Falcon is full of shit.

I do not think so. He must have info on you for a fact. Sorry I wished he was lying and hiding info but it makes sense now.

He does not. I repeat, if I am Slaver I have no incentive to flip Falcon because once he flips investigative I lose the game immediately. 3Ps want to survive at all cost, and confirming the person who checked them as being town is a death knell. Falcon is scum, and he's locked into claiming a red check on me so he's trying to suicide bomb me.

Did he claimed a check or some other info?

[Alison]

I am not the Slaver. Falcon is full of shit.

I do not think so. He must have info on you for a fact. Sorry I wished he was lying and hiding info but it makes sense now.

He does not. I repeat, if I am Slaver I have no incentive to flip Falcon because once he flips investigative I lose the game immediately. 3Ps want to survive at all cost, and confirming the person who checked them as being town is a death knell. Falcon is scum, and he's locked into claiming a red check on me so he's trying to suicide bomb me.

Did he claimed a check or some other info?

He has refused to claim anything. Probably because he doesn't want to accidentally contradict whatever info you have and reveal himself to be a liar.

[falcon45ca]

having a real shit day so here's some slank cover

hope your day gets better Mac!

Being mafia back to back is tough. I wouldn’t want to play either. Sorry we not on the same team this time mac.

How does Grogu know what team Mac is on?


Why is Grogu voting Essoa?

Check out his ISO from the Spiderverse game to this game, tell me what you think.

boknow's iso in spiderverse is full of pointless questions that go nowhere and overly confident reads that come off like TMI

boknow's iso in this game contains zero reads and zero questions

the main similarity is that his tone in both of those games is laid-back/relaxed - but i struggle to see that as being more alignment indicative than it is personality indicative

i don't think he's posted enough in this game for that type of comparison to work

He's struggling to get involved in the game, I suspect cuz' he's concerned about getting tone busted by Kaz & I as he was in Spiderverse. So, he's electing to barely participate as a means of avoiding the same scenario.

is boknows usually a high-activity player when he's town?

I wouldn't call him "high-activity" per se, but he's more than capable of contributing far more than he has thus far, and def capable of trying to solve, again something he's not doing this game.

interesting. i feel like the game is still enough in the early stages (ie: less than 24 hours in) for me to feel a bit uncomfortable with getting anything alignment indicative out of a persons lack of interest in the game - especially if i don't have a frame of reference for how active/invested they typically are. i think your reasoning against him is useful in the sense that it sounds self-resolving - if he is trying to avoid being ~tone busted~, then it's probably going to become more obvious in the next ~24 hoursish if he continues to show any lack of investment or interest

anyone else youre actively worried about right now?

Jack is lynch worthy IMO.


Grogu is also lookin' slimey

He's struggling to get involved in the game, I suspect cuz' he's concerned about getting tone busted by Kaz & I as he was in Spiderverse. So, he's electing to barely participate as a means of avoiding the same scenario.

is boknows usually a high-activity player when he's town?

I wouldn't call him "high-activity" per se, but he's more than capable of contributing far more than he has thus far, and def capable of trying to solve, again something he's not doing this game.

interesting. i feel like the game is still enough in the early stages (ie: less than 24 hours in) for me to feel a bit uncomfortable with getting anything alignment indicative out of a persons lack of interest in the game - especially if i don't have a frame of reference for how active/invested they typically are. i think your reasoning against him is useful in the sense that it sounds self-resolving - if he is trying to avoid being ~tone busted~, then it's probably going to become more obvious in the next ~24 hoursish if he continues to show any lack of investment or interest

anyone else youre actively worried about right now?

Jack is lynch worthy IMO.


Grogu is also lookin' slimey

why is grogu lookin' slimey? is it just the lack of content? i thought his early posts were fine even if they lacked substance

Grogu's comment to mac about "sorry we're not on the same team" is one thing, his vote on Alison w/ no reasoning is another.



Rej is another player I'm suspect of as well

Alison, esooa, grogu, nanook, dom, mac, chopchop, sloonei, falcon, epi, tsp all seem townish in roughly that order

C4 still obviously maf
Poison still maf
Spf still maf

Grogu has 5 posts, wtf is this happy horse shit?

This post has more to do with Urist town reading Grogu off limited posts than how I feel about Grogu

Sorry, Grogu's vote on Essoa, not Alison. My bad.

@Grogu



where are uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

Prolly eating endangered babies

Grogu merits discussion

[Alison]

All he's said is that he visited me, and that he got some kind of info on me that proves I am Metzger, which I am not. Falcon permitted the Rej and Chop wagons to build up momentum even though he "knew" the identity of a hostile 3P. A real cop would out instantly and redirect the votes. There is also no reason for him to continue staying shy about his actual role now that he's claimed investigative.

What makes far more sense is that he was caught visiting me - probably to roleblock me - and the only plausible explanation that he could have given his behavior this day phase is that he checked me as Metzger, so he's hard committed to pushing that line now.

[falcon45ca]

Falcon's actions do not make sense as a check.

He voted me on the pretext that he thought I was TMI-ing the existence of Metzger. He did not vote me at the start of the Day and he did not vote me after I made my claim.

If you tracked him to me (or watched him visiting me), it's more than likely he was performing a scum action on me.

No, I voted for you so you lose your intimidator ability, no pretext. I know you're a Slaver. Nice try tho, you are putting up a valiant effort.

[falcon45ca]

I didn't say I had info that proves you're Metzger, I have info that proves you're Slaver. I gleaned you're Metzger when you claimed the day vig

[Alison]

Falcon's actions do not make sense as a check.

He voted me on the pretext that he thought I was TMI-ing the existence of Metzger. He did not vote me at the start of the Day and he did not vote me after I made my claim.

If you tracked him to me (or watched him visiting me), it's more than likely he was performing a scum action on me.

No, I voted for you so you lose your intimidator ability, no pretext. I know you're a Slaver. Nice try tho, you are putting up a valiant effort.

This is not how cops with a red check act. If you are a cop you have a red check and town is falsely clearing your target/insisting on chopping something else, you claim and get them back on track. You do not sit around and park a vote on them so they will not get one less vote 3 day phases later.

[Alison]

I didn't say I had info that proves you're Metzger, I have info that proves you're Slaver. I gleaned you're Metzger when you claimed the day vig

No you didn't.

You first claimed to think I was Metzger because you thought I was TMI-ing that Metzger is in the game.

[Grogu]

Falcon's actions do not make sense as a check.

He voted me on the pretext that he thought I was TMI-ing the existence of Metzger. He did not vote me at the start of the Day and he did not vote me after I made my claim.

If you tracked him to me (or watched him visiting me), it's more than likely he was performing a scum action on me.

No, I voted for you so you lose your intimidator ability, no pretext. I know you're a Slaver. Nice try tho, you are putting up a valiant effort.

What is that?

[Grogu]

Falcon's actions do not make sense as a check.

He voted me on the pretext that he thought I was TMI-ing the existence of Metzger. He did not vote me at the start of the Day and he did not vote me after I made my claim.

If you tracked him to me (or watched him visiting me), it's more than likely he was performing a scum action on me.

No, I voted for you so you lose your intimidator ability, no pretext. I know you're a Slaver. Nice try tho, you are putting up a valiant effort.

This is not how cops with a red check act. If you are a cop you have a red check and town is falsely clearing your target/insisting on chopping something else, you claim and get them back on track. You do not sit around and park a vote on them so they will not get one less vote 3 day phases later.

This is why I didn’t believe it at first. But what if they want to be sneaky?

[Alison]

The intimidator ability functions if Metzger receives no votes 3 day phases in a row.

You planned to leave a checked Slaver alive for 3 days and just sit back and coast while town exes unrelated targets?

You're so full of shit.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Grogu says he's lying. I say he's lying. Flip him and clear me. If I am Slaver then his flipping investigative outs me and I lose the game, so I have nothing to gain from flipping him if I am Slaver. If Falcon is cop then he should be more than happy to flip and out me and Grogu. No town would balk at trading their lives for two scum.

So I visited you to roleblock you? How did your day vig go thru then if I role blocked you? Eldridge doesn't have an unblockable day vig.

[Alison]

You visited me NIGHT ONE. The day vig happened DAY ONE.

[falcon45ca]

The intimidator ability functions if Metzger receives no votes 3 day phases in a row.

You planned to leave a checked Slaver alive for 3 days and just sit back and coast while town exes unrelated targets?

You're so full of shit.

Only need to interrupt the cycle once. I've been pushing you for a lynch, but nobody else sees it. Perhaps now they will.



You are a Slaver. 'Nuff said.

[falcon45ca]

If y'all ever been curious to know what a worm on a hook looks like, Alison is doing a pretty good impression right now

[Alison]

The intimidator ability functions if Metzger receives no votes 3 day phases in a row.

You planned to leave a checked Slaver alive for 3 days and just sit back and coast while town exes unrelated targets?

You're so full of shit.

Only need to interrupt the cycle once. I've been pushing you for a lynch, but nobody else sees it. Perhaps now they will.



You are a Slaver. 'Nuff said.

You know perfectly well that your push was never going to convince anyone. Anyone with two functional eyeballs could see that the exe today was going to be either Chop or Rej. You have no reason to allow a Slaver to live, especially when you could easily be killed in the night before you could out your results.

Here's the big clincher.

You've said your night action told you I was a slaver, but not that I was Metzger, right?

What role are you exactly? Because I went through a list of all the cops in the game, and not a single one of them would give you that exact information. Westin only confirms if someone is New Reno or not. Luke tells you if someone has targeted the Slaver, but not if they're the Slaver themselves. Dan McGrew is told if a player is Jagged Jimmy J. John Bishop is told if a player is with the NCR. Orville Wright is told a player's exact role - which means you would know in advance which Slaver I was. AHS-9 would confirm what type of ability I had, or if I had multiple, but not my faction. Every other investigative ability can only be brought into play Night 2 or later (eg. those dispensed by inventors).

So yeah, you tell me, Falcon - what role do you have that would tell you I was a Slaver but not which Slaver I was on Night 1?

[falcon45ca]

The intimidator ability functions if Metzger receives no votes 3 day phases in a row.

You planned to leave a checked Slaver alive for 3 days and just sit back and coast while town exes unrelated targets?

You're so full of shit.

Only need to interrupt the cycle once. I've been pushing you for a lynch, but nobody else sees it. Perhaps now they will.



You are a Slaver. 'Nuff said.

You know perfectly well that your push was never going to convince anyone. Anyone with two functional eyeballs could see that the exe today was going to be either Chop or Rej. You have no reason to allow a Slaver to live, especially when you could easily be killed in the night before you could out your results.

Here's the big clincher.

You've said your night action told you I was a slaver, but not that I was Metzger, right?

What role are you exactly? Because I went through a list of all the cops in the game, and not a single one of them would give you that exact information. Westin only confirms if someone is New Reno or not. Luke tells you if someone has targeted the Slaver, but not if they're the Slaver themselves. Dan McGrew is told if a player is Jagged Jimmy J. John Bishop is told if a player is with the NCR. Orville Wright is told a player's exact role - which means you would know in advance which Slaver I was. AHS-9 would confirm what type of ability I had, or if I had multiple, but not my faction. Every other investigative ability can only be brought into play Night 2 or later (eg. those dispensed by inventors).

So yeah, you tell me, Falcon - what role do you have that would tell you I was a Slaver but not which Slaver I was on Night 1?

You're a Slaver, that's all I know. It seems your argument against this is that I should know exactly which Slaver, but alas I do not. Just that you're a Slaver.

[Alison]

That is mechanically impossible. I repeat, it is mechanically impossible for an investigative role to know that someone is a Slaver but not which. Falcon has been outed.

Check the list of cops for yourself if you don't believe me. Not a single one of 'em says the faction but not the exact role.

[falcon45ca]

That is mechanically impossible. I repeat, it is mechanically impossible for an investigative role to know that someone is a Slaver but not which. Falcon has been outed.

Check the list of cops for yourself if you don't believe me. Not a single one of 'em says the faction but not the exact role.

This is not true.



We should def lynch Alison & night vig Rej IMO. Metzger has a 1 shot bullet proof vest.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Has falcon claimed anything? I have reasons to believe he is a baddie

Do tell.




Lemme guess, your scum chat has told you I've been calling you out for days now, and you'd better make a soft claim re: his role?



I'm all ears dude. This'll be good

No. More like I was annoyed why you were pushing me since I am town and claimed as such. Then I targeted you and there’s something you not telling us. So I now know you are scum based on this. Therefore I want to kill you now, you picked on the baby but I have powers and I will end you. Kindly

I am town and claimed as such, new best line

[Urist]

What role are you exactly? Because I went through a list of all the cops in the game, and not a single one of them would give you that exact information. Westin only confirms if someone is New Reno or not. Luke tells you if someone has targeted the Slaver, but not if they're the Slaver themselves. Dan McGrew is told if a player is Jagged Jimmy J. John Bishop is told if a player is with the NCR. Orville Wright is told a player's exact role - which means you would know in advance which Slaver I was. AHS-9 would confirm what type of ability I had, or if I had multiple, but not my faction. Every other investigative ability can only be brought into play Night 2 or later (eg. those dispensed by inventors).

Technically Westin would confirm whether or not you're the slaver, since Eldridge is from New Reno. That would also explain why he didn't suspect you until after you claimed dayvig.
@falcon45ca are you claiming Westin?

[TonyStarkPrime]

That is mechanically impossible. I repeat, it is mechanically impossible for an investigative role to know that someone is a Slaver but not which. Falcon has been outed.

Check the list of cops for yourself if you don't believe me. Not a single one of 'em says the faction but not the exact role.

but they can check whether you /are/ eldridge

[TonyStarkPrime]

What role are you exactly? Because I went through a list of all the cops in the game, and not a single one of them would give you that exact information. Westin only confirms if someone is New Reno or not. Luke tells you if someone has targeted the Slaver, but not if they're the Slaver themselves. Dan McGrew is told if a player is Jagged Jimmy J. John Bishop is told if a player is with the NCR. Orville Wright is told a player's exact role - which means you would know in advance which Slaver I was. AHS-9 would confirm what type of ability I had, or if I had multiple, but not my faction. Every other investigative ability can only be brought into play Night 2 or later (eg. those dispensed by inventors).

Technically Westin would confirm whether or not you're the slaver, since Eldridge is from New Reno. That would also explain why he didn't suspect you until after you claimed dayvig.
@falcon45ca are you claiming Westin?

toany mindmeld

[TonyStarkPrime]

Day vig Chop IMO

I can't, I've already used my shot. The only other role who can dayvig is Metzger, and since that's a hostile 3P I doubt they'll be kind enough to clear our POE for us lol.

Cool, so Alison is prolly Metzger

elaborate

There's only one Slaver role guaranteed, and Alison is assuming that it's Metzger. It's TMI, I'd bet good caps that's her role.

I do not read this as falcon indicating he has information on alison. I read it as him misunderstanding the context of what Alison was saying and then running with it.

things that may or may not have aged poorly

[KZA]

The slaver isn't listed as my enemy so idc

[Alison]

That is mechanically impossible. I repeat, it is mechanically impossible for an investigative role to know that someone is a Slaver but not which. Falcon has been outed.

Check the list of cops for yourself if you don't believe me. Not a single one of 'em says the faction but not the exact role.

but they can check whether you /are/ eldridge

But Falcon said he came into the day phase knowing I was exactly Slaver, and only thought I was Metzger after I claimed dayvig.

[KZA]

What role are you exactly? Because I went through a list of all the cops in the game, and not a single one of them would give you that exact information. Westin only confirms if someone is New Reno or not. Luke tells you if someone has targeted the Slaver, but not if they're the Slaver themselves. Dan McGrew is told if a player is Jagged Jimmy J. John Bishop is told if a player is with the NCR. Orville Wright is told a player's exact role - which means you would know in advance which Slaver I was. AHS-9 would confirm what type of ability I had, or if I had multiple, but not my faction. Every other investigative ability can only be brought into play Night 2 or later (eg. those dispensed by inventors).

Technically Westin would confirm whether or not you're the slaver, since Eldridge is from New Reno. That would also explain why he didn't suspect you until after you claimed dayvig.
@falcon45ca are you claiming Westin?

Westin wouldn't care about the slaver being alive

Well he shouldn't at least