Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Enrique]

meh i feel like i've explained my general positions to the best of my abilities. yeah i feel stuck but i don't have a better solution than just seeing what's up with grogu. i've asked to be blocked tonight and i'll probably be in trouble if the mafia doesn't kill again... so no matter what i can hardly count on winning this game.

[fingersplints]

I’m definitely less trusting of Alison after today as well, but there is a part of me ignoring that suspicion right now in favour of stronger ones and also because I don’t know if it’s too emotional as she was throwing out words such as “clueless” and “insane” regarding thoughts. I stepped away earlier from it and still want to give it some time to see if there is anything there or if it’s just my pregnancy hormones making me reactive lol maybe both

[Epignosis]

This is post 12.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It's flatly nonsense to suggest that "ignoring a block is insane" when Long Con flipped civilian.

@Alison where's your head at

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I have 8 posts left after this one.

Can anyone provide an Alison-mafia theory that doesn't rely on her abstaining kills or being teamed with a blocked player (Enrique and/or Scirrus)?

[Grogu]

3 people with votes. Each one has someone I trust and at least one I don’t know. I’m mostly ok with a grogu or scirrus lynch.
To summarise my thoughts:
scirrus, I am less trusting of the vole claim. I don’t know if I necessarily by the mafia had a vig kill as well, although it’s been pointed out there are a lot of roles claimed so it could be explained by balance. I still think it’s possible that was just the mafia kill with a false claim out there in hopes we would lynch someone on the basis of block, which we did. A risky move but not unheard of for mafia, especially at that point IF the mafia has three members that would have meant only 7 civvies left in the game at that point. Some smart moves would certainly win the game.
Grogu: I still think some of the mafia is inactive players based on process of elimination even if we take out the talk of if the kills were missed. I find it really suspicious how they were in the thread the moment votes were cast against them. It all just reads entirely too convenient to me.
reywas/KZA: welcome to the game and sorry, but again process of elimination makes me suspicious of you. I don’t plan on voting for you today though, because there are stronger suspects and well I just think that’s generally bad form.
I’m really torn on Enrique. I see the points on him but I really want to trust him. Maybe he just has me fooled.

I chalk that to coincidence. I came in when I woke up and it just so happen that is the time I could post. It is not scummy just what it is.

[Grogu]

I claimed my role. I am bodyguard.
I can protect someone and eat a kill. Is there anyone worth saving?

[fingersplints]

I have 8 posts left after this one.

Can anyone provide an Alison-mafia theory that doesn't rely on her abstaining kills or being teamed with a blocked player (Enrique and/or Scirrus)?

Long Con had a copying ability? I don’t know what to make of his use of that because his posts made it seem like he was vanilla.

That wouldn’t explain night 2 as obviously he was blocked.

Not so much as a theory as much as pointing out that at least N1 there might have been more power abilities out there that we aren’t accounting for with his copy. I doubt LC would miss or abstain from using this ability.

[Epignosis]

meh i feel like i've explained my general positions to the best of my abilities. yeah i feel stuck but i don't have a better solution than just seeing what's up with grogu. i've asked to be blocked tonight and i'll probably be in trouble if the mafia doesn't kill again... so no matter what i can hardly count on winning this game.

Why can't you win?

[Epignosis]

As long as one mafia member is active, they aren't sending in nokills. So yes it is insane.

Scirrus can be a mafia vigilante.

We should always vote the mechanically outed scum. Always.

Not one person has been "mechanically outed."

As long as one mafia member is active, they aren't sending in nokills. So yes it is insane.

Scirrus can be a mafia vigilante.

We should always vote the mechanically outed scum. Always.

I don’t know that I buy in this small of a game the mafia would be given an extra kill.

We just lynched a civ by following “mechanically outed”

The possibility here is that Scirrus is lying about being a civilian vigilante and is just straight up mafia.

As long as one mafia member is active, they aren't sending in nokills. So yes it is insane.

Scirrus can be a mafia vigilante.

We should always vote the mechanically outed scum. Always.

I don’t know that I buy in this small of a game the mafia would be given an extra kill.

We just lynched a civ by following “mechanically outed”

LC could be town and the kill was protected. There is no explanation for why the kill is missing tonight other than a mafia being blocked. None. Nada. Zilch. "The mafia were afk" doesn't cut it because even a single mafia member alive lets them carry a kill.

I've hosted a shit ton of games in my day.

You'd be surprised what doesn't get sent in at Night.

you're implicated by the roleblock so obviously you have an incentive to argue that the mafia kill was simply forgotten and not blocked

but I do not accept facetious arguments like "what if the mafia team all just vanished into thin air and totally forgot to submit an NK" when I have 2 roleblocks on the table

The fallacy here is that almost anyone could be implicated by the block. If I had chosen fingersplints, for example, and the same Night results occurred, we'd be talking about her. Likewise JJJ.

If we're dealing with a two-man team, Grogu and reywaS could be it.

3 voters on enrique. 2 voters on grogu. 0 votes on scirrus.

enrique and scirrus are implicated by the roleblock.

scirrus' teammates are trying to save him. vote scirrus.

Which teammates?

The flipside for you in case of a Grogu scum flip: we couldn’t really say you’re cleared for Night 1 anymore (I had been operating under the assumption mafia failed to kill you), but you’d still pretty much get cleared on Night 2, when you would have been free to kill someone.

i can, because I was around n1 and could have submitted the kill

lol

So why didn't you?

lol

[VOTE: Scirrus] aubergine

Mafia vig is easier to buy with 90 protective roles. Even my role can be pseudo-protective.

I am inclined to agree. I have to think on this.

[fingersplints]

As long as one mafia member is active, they aren't sending in nokills. So yes it is insane.

Scirrus can be a mafia vigilante.

We should always vote the mechanically outed scum. Always.

I don’t know that I buy in this small of a game the mafia would be given an extra kill.

We just lynched a civ by following “mechanically outed”

The possibility here is that Scirrus is lying about being a civilian vigilante and is just straight up mafia.

I know. That is what I had been hoping to test with my block last night.

[Epignosis]

As long as one mafia member is active, they aren't sending in nokills. So yes it is insane.

Scirrus can be a mafia vigilante.

We should always vote the mechanically outed scum. Always.

I don’t know that I buy in this small of a game the mafia would be given an extra kill.

We just lynched a civ by following “mechanically outed”

The possibility here is that Scirrus is lying about being a civilian vigilante and is just straight up mafia.

I know. That is what I had been hoping to test with my block last night.

[VOTE: Scirrus] aubergine

On board.

[VOTE: Enrique] aubergine

Maybe since my reads have been shit all game I should just do the opposite

I don't know. I'll come back before EoD

This is it?

[KZA]

Why does Alison have a completely useless role?

[KZA]

I have 8 posts left after this one.

Can anyone provide an Alison-mafia theory that doesn't rely on her abstaining kills or being teamed with a blocked player (Enrique and/or Scirrus)?

Long Con had a copying ability? I don’t know what to make of his use of that because his posts made it seem like he was vanilla.

That wouldn’t explain night 2 as obviously he was blocked.

Not so much as a theory as much as pointing out that at least N1 there might have been more power abilities out there that we aren’t accounting for with his copy. I doubt LC would miss or abstain from using this ability.

Can you clarify what sentence 2 is about? LC was chopped D2 and thus dead for N2

[KZA]

The good news is I clear my slot with this here role thingy

[fingersplints]

I have 8 posts left after this one.

Can anyone provide an Alison-mafia theory that doesn't rely on her abstaining kills or being teamed with a blocked player (Enrique and/or Scirrus)?

Long Con had a copying ability? I don’t know what to make of his use of that because his posts made it seem like he was vanilla.

That wouldn’t explain night 2 as obviously he was blocked.

Not so much as a theory as much as pointing out that at least N1 there might have been more power abilities out there that we aren’t accounting for with his copy. I doubt LC would miss or abstain from using this ability.

Can you clarify what sentence 2 is about? LC was chopped D2 and thus dead for N2

You are correct. That is just me being stupid and feeling like this game has been going on for longer than it has I added an extra day in my head

Well scratch all that than I have no ideas on that front.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I like KZA so far.

Alison's role is indeed useless, and it's the only such claim to this point.

[Epignosis]

I like KZA so far.

Alison's role is indeed useless, and it's the only such claim to this point.

If Scirrus is mafia, I'm inclined to believe Alison is bussing Scirrus.

[fingersplints]

I’ll switch there too.

vote scirrus

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I like KZA so far.

Alison's role is indeed useless, and it's the only such claim to this point.

If Scirrus is mafia, I'm inclined to believe Alison is bussing Scirrus.

I'm inclined to agree. It'd sort out much of the overstated bravado on her part.

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[KZA]

Are roleblocks typically capable of stopping a factional kill?

I mean yeah Scirrus is probably scum here but my question could help me sort whether I think Alison is too

I'm operating on the theory that the scum deliberately didn't kill to frame inactives

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Are roleblocks typically capable of stopping a factional kill?

I mean yeah Scirrus is probably scum here but my question could help me sort whether I think Alison is too

I'm operating on the theory that the scum deliberately didn't kill to frame inactives

Not sure I've seen any games here where a role block doesn't stop a factional kill unless it explicitly says so.

[KZA]

Are roleblocks typically capable of stopping a factional kill?

I mean yeah Scirrus is probably scum here but my question could help me sort whether I think Alison is too

I'm operating on the theory that the scum deliberately didn't kill to frame inactives

Not sure I've seen any games here where a role block doesn't stop a factional kill unless it explicitly says so.

Huh. I guess I'll store that one.

I was thinking maybe Alison was a wolf and orchestrated a no kill so she could push the narrative of killing within the blocked people OR framing inactives. Although she wouldn't have known who was getting blocked so idk if it holds enough water

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I'm gonna say Splints Epi Enrique gotta be town

JJJ is PROBABLY town but I'm a little paranoid of him due to his role in Nanook's chop, although at the end of the day town are allowed to be wrong

[KZA]

I'm inclined to believe Grogu since his role claim is basically an inverse of JJJ's which makes me believe it could be in the game

[KZA]

I'm voting Scirrus btw

and yeah there's a chance of coached Grogu. I have worlds of trouble reading that guy because of the baby yoda pic and his natural tone

[KZA]

Another strike against Alison is that I got really strong gut vibes that Chardonnay was a wolf, he was way too nicey nice and talked about irrelevant things (scumreading people for pfp) for just a bit too long

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Worth note is that if we started in a 9 vs. 3 game, we're at 6 vs. 3 now -- one mistake short of zero margin of error.

Agreed about chardonnay.

[Scirrus]

wow

I don't really have much to say tbh

I don't see myself ever getting out of the POE at this point, and I don't think there's much I can really say to convince anyone

I don't have any way I can prove my role

I have no idea who mafia are

Maybe it's best if I do die

[JaggedJimmyJay]

wow

I don't really have much to say tbh

I don't see myself ever getting out of the POE at this point, and I don't think there's much I can really say to convince anyone

I don't have any way I can prove my role

I have no idea who mafia are

Maybe it's best if I do die

if you had to guess three mafia members and your actual real life depended on it, who'd they be

[Scirrus]

I honestly don't think the whole scum team just forgot to kill.

I feel like it's either one of two things

1. Enrique submitted the kill and was blocked

2. Scum team purposely not killing anyone and letting townies be "outed" by blocks

because people are more willing to let mechanics do the solving for them

[KZA]

Enrique's last post just feels really damn townie to me

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[Scirrus]

wow

I don't really have much to say tbh

I don't see myself ever getting out of the POE at this point, and I don't think there's much I can really say to convince anyone

I don't have any way I can prove my role

I have no idea who mafia are

Maybe it's best if I do die

if you had to guess three mafia members and your actual real life depended on it, who'd they be

Alison, Poison, honestly maybe Epignosis

I know the "correct" person for me to go for should be Enrique as he was claimed to be blocked but like I just don't feel it

Alison's solving process has been very inorganic to me, "LC was blocked, he's probably scum" flips town "Scirrus was blocked" and when I flip town she'll be like "guess it's Enrique, after all, he was blocked"

Feels like words that I could expect coming from someone who would purposely not kill in order to follow this exact path

I don't think Poison has actually influenced the game in any meaningful way shape or form, despite most people getting a "towny vibe"

As for Epignosis, was his claim really all that towny? Would it be out of the realm of possibility that he/Alison set up the doctor thing to clear her? He was the one who RB'd Enrique. And honestly I still feel like Enrique is town

[Scirrus]

Fuck this i'm voting Alison

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

I just feel it more. Feels like a "fuck mechanics" scenario frankly. If I'm wrong whatever.

[28]

[Epignosis]

wow

I don't really have much to say tbh

I don't see myself ever getting out of the POE at this point, and I don't think there's much I can really say to convince anyone

I don't have any way I can prove my role

I have no idea who mafia are

Maybe it's best if I do die

if you had to guess three mafia members and your actual real life depended on it, who'd they be

Alison, Poison, honestly maybe Epignosis

I know the "correct" person for me to go for should be Enrique as he was claimed to be blocked but like I just don't feel it

Alison's solving process has been very inorganic to me, "LC was blocked, he's probably scum" flips town "Scirrus was blocked" and when I flip town she'll be like "guess it's Enrique, after all, he was blocked"

Feels like words that I could expect coming from someone who would purposely not kill in order to follow this exact path

I don't think Poison has actually influenced the game in any meaningful way shape or form, despite most people getting a "towny vibe"

As for Epignosis, was his claim really all that towny? Would it be out of the realm of possibility that he/Alison set up the doctor thing to clear her? He was the one who RB'd Enrique. And honestly I still feel like Enrique is town

"honestly maybe" is going to be a no from me dog.

You're guilty.

And my claim wasn't meant to be "towny." It was meant to get people off my ass at the eleventh hour when I had not been around. No one has disputed anything I have done. And if I'm bad, I'm sending in kills. Or somebody is.

[KZA]

I'm town. Gonna read the whole thread in a bit.

There are two afks player slots.

The mafia team did not submit a night action last night. No protective abilities were used, and nobody was blocked or jailkept.

Tell me why you and Poison aren't just the outed team.

This was a test right?

[Scirrus]

KZA is town. I feelz it

[KZA]

Let's see what happens if I go to Alison.

Will be floating around until EoD if anyone wants something

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't think a team with both Epignosis and Alison declines to kill, so there'd still need to be a blocked third. Scirrus or Enrique are about equally appropriate in my eyes without knowing how many mafia exist.

I've one more post this phase. I'll save it for now, and if needed just move my vote without calling it.

[Scirrus]

yes Alison/Enrique makes more sense from a mechanics view if I want to throw my gut feels away

[Scirrus]

Has anyone seen poison wolf before? was she active or kinda staying back away from stuff?

[KZA]

Has anyone seen poison wolf before? was she active or kinda staying back away from stuff?

I think I've heard they're low activity

I'm not 100% tho and have little experience

[Enrique]

I will be busy tonight at my usual posting time. So it looks like I have to decide between Alison and Scirrus now. Awesome, no pressure.

[Enrique]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

I just feel it more. Feels like a "fuck mechanics" scenario frankly. If I'm wrong whatever.

[28]

I agree that feels say Alison, mechanics say Scirrus. I don't know that I trust the former more.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

I just feel it more. Feels like a "fuck mechanics" scenario frankly. If I'm wrong whatever.

[28]

I agree that feels say Alison, mechanics say Scirrus. I don't know that I trust the former more.

You don't seem to be willing in this situation to demonstrate your role power that you claimed.

[Enrique]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

I just feel it more. Feels like a "fuck mechanics" scenario frankly. If I'm wrong whatever.

[28]

I agree that feels say Alison, mechanics say Scirrus. I don't know that I trust the former more.

You don't seem to be willing in this situation to demonstrate your role power that you claimed.

So... you think I should vote for Scirrus?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I have to go get dinner before the entire city closes tonight, so I won't be here for the deadline. This is my last post. I endorse an Alison elimination. Apart from certain behavioral concerns I've voiced enough already, I find her role claim to be the least believable. It's 100% pointless, especially if she is informed of its investigative limitations. I think she could be teamed with Enrique and/or Scirrus, one who was blocked.

I liked KZA today. I was less thrilled with Grogu. Poison vanished and deserves more scrutiny than I have given her. Epignosis can fool me and win at this point if he's mafia. The same goes for fingersplints.

Gun to my head the entire team, whether it goes 2 or 3 deep, is contained in this space: [Alison, Enrique, Scirrus, Grogu]. If one of those needs swapped out, Poison goes in.

I'll stay on Alison. She's the common denominator for me.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

I just feel it more. Feels like a "fuck mechanics" scenario frankly. If I'm wrong whatever.

[28]

I agree that feels say Alison, mechanics say Scirrus. I don't know that I trust the former more.

You don't seem to be willing in this situation to demonstrate your role power that you claimed.

So... you think I should vote for Scirrus?

Vote where you want. Why are you asking me? Who is bad?

[Epignosis]

Alison and Enrique are teammates. Enrique is asking me permission to vote Scirrus.