Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[tutuu]

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I don't doubt Dizzy targeted Nutella, but I doubt now it was protection. I don't see how protection would nullify a roleblock, and a thing that could have the result of failed roleblock on n3 could be a strongman kill.
Idk why you don't consider this part of my idea when you answer me, because that would explain some things
Mafia would kill Nutella but she make that move of switching herself with Jack, and all that Dizzy if he is mafia could do was to invent a role to match the result, in a way that could be accepted by everyone.
I don't know if this is true but we shouls check how that claim was posted and when
Nothing explains why Wilgy received Dizzy's role, except mafia imposed a result to be expressed itt to verify a role that may not exist.

But dizzy claimed the role BEFORE wilgy's result

Dizzy claimed after Nutella switched with Jack, so in day 4

Yeah, and wilgy revealed his result on the day we yeeted ted

That was later in the game. Now we know Wilgy as villager would not invent the result, but at contrary, would post what he received

Why received Wilgy, instead of my role, and after i was visited by Ted, a role claimed by someone who wasn't targeted that night ?
Isn't this convenient to confirm that the role is in the game?

The theory that mafia has a framer esque role that implanted a manufactured feedback result for wilgy that dizzy the mafia had full control over and then dizzy the mafia claiming that manufactured feedback result as a role seems like a very far fetched theory and seems less likely than dizzy being town and mafia having some kind of redirecting powers

Lets find the logic of redirections, if Ted targeted Martin, me and himself, then someone targeted Wilgy to receive Dizzy's claimed role? Is this possible? Why exactly Dizzy's?

Are we sure there is one mafia left itg? Or there can be 2?

Radishes attempted to make wilgy target himself too on that night

I dont have the answer for what happened

Busdriver should in theory resolve first

But long con received results from tracking ted, he didnt track u, unless u visited all those 3 people

So bus driver didnt resolve before long cons track

So we have no way of knowing i think, and things are being resolved in ways that arent conventional by the looks of it

[tutuu]

Also if dizzy strongman killed martin i also dont think that martin would have been explicitly told that only him roleblocking nutella has failed

But regardless a protective role is confirmed to exist and dizzy is the one claiming it

I want to understand your first sentence

Martin has two portions to his role - he protects his target from night kill and he roleblocks them

On n3 he said that he received a night result from the hosts telling him that his roleblocking part failed. That and only that

[Michelle]

Also if dizzy strongman killed martin i also dont think that martin would have been explicitly told that only him roleblocking nutella has failed

But regardless a protective role is confirmed to exist and dizzy is the one claiming it

I want to understand your first sentence

Martin has two portions to his role - he protects his target from night kill and he roleblocks them

On n3 he said that he received a night result from the hosts telling him that his roleblocking part failed. That and only that

Yes but i keep asking you about what if Dizzy attempted to strongman Nutella, not Martin, and we talk past each other again

[Michelle]

Spoiler: show

But dizzy claimed the role BEFORE wilgy's result

Dizzy claimed after Nutella switched with Jack, so in day 4

Yeah, and wilgy revealed his result on the day we yeeted ted

That was later in the game. Now we know Wilgy as villager would not invent the result, but at contrary, would post what he received

Why received Wilgy, instead of my role, and after i was visited by Ted, a role claimed by someone who wasn't targeted that night ?
Isn't this convenient to confirm that the role is in the game?

The theory that mafia has a framer esque role that implanted a manufactured feedback result for wilgy that dizzy the mafia had full control over and then dizzy the mafia claiming that manufactured feedback result as a role seems like a very far fetched theory and seems less likely than dizzy being town and mafia having some kind of redirecting powers

Lets find the logic of redirections, if Ted targeted Martin, me and himself, then someone targeted Wilgy to receive Dizzy's claimed role? Is this possible? Why exactly Dizzy's?

Are we sure there is one mafia left itg? Or there can be 2?

Radishes attempted to make wilgy target himself too on that night

I dont have the answer for what happened

Busdriver should in theory resolve first

But long con received results from tracking ted, he didnt track u, unless u visited all those 3 people

So bus driver didnt resolve before long cons track

So we have no way of knowing i think, and things are being resolved in ways that arent conventional by the looks of it

It's impossible for me to visit 3 people, and LCs track of one of them to show my visits

[Michelle]

Time out for me, i have to go to buy something and i can't play on streets

[tutuu]

If he attempted to strongman kill nutella why would martin get told that his roleblock on nutella failed?

Because nutella disappeared and her action cant be roleblocked?

I suppose i cant argue that this cant be a possibility. It is. But we know dizzys role to exist by wilgy. Wilgy said "mega protector" or something

[Michelle]

[VOTE: Dizzy] aubergine

[Michelle]

If he attempted to strongman kill nutella why would martin get told that his roleblock on nutella failed?

Because nutella disappeared and her action cant be roleblocked?

I suppose i cant argue that this cant be a possibility. It is. But we know dizzys role to exist by wilgy. Wilgy said "mega protector" or something

How many times have you seen Dizzy wolfing?

[tutuu]

I know that he is a great wolf but the evidence here points to him being town imo

Also shouldnt strongman kill nullify nutellas role?

At least if i was the game designer i would make it so if nutella was strongman killed her role doesnt get to activate and she doesnt get to revive jack

[Justplayingitcool]

A strongman kill usually takes the highest priority.

there is also zero evidence that a strongman exists, unlike the mega protector or whatever wilgy copped

[tutuu]

Dizzy is the role wilgy revealed. If he is mafia he is mafia but he is still that role

I dont think its likely he would have used his only shot nutella

I suppose its likely that he didnt, and that martin reveived feedback telling him that his roleblocked failed due to nutellas action being unblockable, but then how would dizzy know to chime in? He would have no way of knowing martins role or the feedback martin got if dizzy is mafia its too convoluted i think to take advantage of mech claims like that and make his claim

Dizzy is a great wolf player basesfoff the way he talks and makes posts but i have no reasons to believe he is a scum mech prodigy and i believe his sincerity that convoluted mech games are not his thing

[tutuu]

Butchered that english so bad

[tutuu]

Tim is mafia

[tutuu]

I believe tims role being a vig and that doesnt explain the redirector problem so thats not great

But at this moment i cant imagine yeeting anyone else as the correct play

[Justplayingitcool]

Tim is mafia

I believe tims role being a vig and that doesnt explain the redirector problem so thats not great

But at this moment i cant imagine yeeting anyone else as the correct play

wut

[tutuu]

What?

[Justplayingitcool]

> i believe tim is mafia
> i also believe tim is a vig

[Long Con]

Mafia vig has been theorized.

[Timsup2nothin]

I like that big nutella post.

I thought it was horribly flawed...almost flawed enough to think it had to be intentional...and was considering breaking my intent to ignore the thread for a good chunk of time.

Now I am pissed, because you have forced my hand.

WTF do you find to like in that post?

since when does tim get pissed like that at people and writes WTF in caps?

does this not sound theatrical and fake?

LOLOLOLOL...note that all caps there...the first L is capped because start of sentence...the rest are capped because Lol looks dorky...wtf are you grasping at straws to justify your locked in 'read' here or what?

[Timsup2nothin]

@Michelle + @hollowkatt - why are you voting for Syn?

Can give a tim a pass as it's self-preservation

My vote was the first one on Syn. Self pres has nothing to do with it. I actually have zero interest in self pres at this point. I am just pointing out the prospective wolves so you guys can win for me after you idiotically chop me because Tutuu has a "sounds theatrical" read to back up her "fuck we should have killed Tim before he started paying attention" tunnel.

[Justplayingitcool]

Mafia vig has been theorized.

I always kinda associate vig as being an exclusive town role, just because of the connotations.

[Timsup2nothin]

Aaaaaaand there you have it folks. When people actually start playing mafia and looking at "who hasn't made any sort of logical progression in their reads?" and questions like that...the sleeping lion floods the thread with mech speculation, on the same unanswerable 'questions' that have been pondered a hundred times before.

And of course throws a bit of "sounds theatrical" shade at the person that susses her.

JPIC, you in particular just deserve it if we lose to Tutuu.

[Justplayingitcool]

Aaaaaaand there you have it folks. When people actually start playing mafia and looking at "who hasn't made any sort of logical progression in their reads?" and questions like that...the sleeping lion floods the thread with mech speculation, on the same unanswerable 'questions' that have been pondered a hundred times before.

And of course throws a bit of "sounds theatrical" shade at the person that susses her.

JPIC, you in particular just deserve it if we lose to Tutuu.

I'm happy to take the blame if we lose to w!tutuu

[Kylemii]

kyle thinks he got busdriven, im assuming an ambiguous feedack message

made attempted to target kyle, and ended up targetting himself

so... someone busdrove made with kyle?

or ... made has a role thats like. "target a player. for every other player that targets your chosen player this night, redirect their actions back to them"

based on Made's role I think I just actually got his role

[Kylemii]

the lowest cost option was a +1 vote, I assume that's what I got

[Kylemii]

I assumed I was busdriven because I got a power completely unrelated to what I expected. I had assumed that because I sent my intentions late that made was able to busdrive me to jpic or something.

[Long Con]

Full disclosure, as soon as busdriving comes into the conversation my mind glazes over.

[hollowkatt]

@hollowkatt how much experience do u have with tim? i highly believe he has pocketed u

5 of my last 10 games have been with Tim, and I think somewhere around 8 games total played with him.
We've been town together 3-4 times, wolf together 3 times (I think), and i have wolfed against him a couple times as well.
To my knowledge I have never towned against Wolf Tim.

I think I've got more game and conversational experience with Tim than anyone here does, but that doesn't make me right.
I have a reasonable understanding of how he'd approach a game from wolf perspective having done it with him a few times. What I don't know (yet) is how he would approach a wolf game against town HK.
Truthfully I do not think Tim is a wolf here.

[hollowkatt]

I like that big nutella post.

I thought it was horribly flawed...almost flawed enough to think it had to be intentional...and was considering breaking my intent to ignore the thread for a good chunk of time.

Now I am pissed, because you have forced my hand.

WTF do you find to like in that post?

how is this post real? it's theatrical, is it not? this isn't how tim talks, ever, no?

@hollowkatt

Sometimes, yeah. But keep talking to me/about Tim if you can

[Michelle]

Night 3

The school set up appointments for online grief counselors following the apparent death of Mr. Mason.

Dodo didn't attend. For her, it was just another unfortunate event in a year that had an abundance of them.

To make matters worse, the scheduled guest philosopher Q@A Dodo had been looking forward to for months was canceled for an unrelated reason.

Dodo has heading toward a boil.

Perhaps an afternoon snack would settle her emotions. She got a knife and found what remained of a loaf of bread. She collected two crumbly pieces and put them on a paper plate.

Then she opened the cabinet to acquire the nutella.

There was no nutella. It was gone.

In its place was a playing card.

Why did they have to cancel the scheduled guest philosopher Q&A? Why??? Some questions science can't explain!

Spoiler: show

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME was Daniel Dennett, Mafia.

As a compatibilist, you strive to show that freewill and determinism are compatible. You do this by writing books. That’s great, but this is a Mafia game. Books are no good. You are a vanilla mafia member.

Spoiler: show

nutella has vanished and is no longer here. JackofHearts2005 has returned.

It is now Day 4. The poll closes February 24st, 2021 at 6pm EST.

Do we know Nutella's role?

[Long Con]

Yes, her role was to sacrifice herself to resurrect another player.

[Michelle]

Aaaaaaand there you have it folks. When people actually start playing mafia and looking at "who hasn't made any sort of logical progression in their reads?" and questions like that...the sleeping lion floods the thread with mech speculation, on the same unanswerable 'questions' that have been pondered a hundred times before.

And of course throws a bit of "sounds theatrical" shade at the person that susses her.

JPIC, you in particular just deserve it if we lose to Tutuu.

I'm happy to take the blame if we lose to w!tutuu

I'm not tbh

[Michelle]

Yes, her role was to sacrifice herself to resurrect another player.

Do you have any idea why Martin's negative part of ability would not work on Nutella?

[Justplayingitcool]

Yes, her role was to sacrifice herself to resurrect another player.

Yeah, Mac confirmed this with a btsc, and he knew because of the mason. not sure if nutella ever confirmed in her chats

[Timsup2nothin]

Yes, her role was to sacrifice herself to resurrect another player.

@Michelle

Yes this. Verified through Hyena dead chatting her.

[Timsup2nothin]

Yes, her role was to sacrifice herself to resurrect another player.

Yeah, Mac confirmed this with a btsc, and he knew because of the mason. not sure if nutella ever confirmed in her chats

actually...yeah this is more accurate

[Long Con]

Yes, her role was to sacrifice herself to resurrect another player.

Do you have any idea why Martin's negative part of ability would not work on Nutella?

I forget what that negative is.

Yes, her role was to sacrifice herself to resurrect another player.

Yeah, Mac confirmed this with a btsc, and he knew because of the mason. not sure if nutella ever confirmed in her chats

Yes, her role was to sacrifice herself to resurrect another player.

@Michelle

Yes this. Verified through Hyena dead chatting her.

Guys, I dead-chatted her. This is from the horse's mouth.

[Michelle]

9999

Wow, Rereading the day I found this post. Nice

[Timsup2nothin]

Yes, her role was to sacrifice herself to resurrect another player.

Do you have any idea why Martin's negative part of ability would not work on Nutella?

I forget what that negative is.

Yes, her role was to sacrifice herself to resurrect another player.

Yeah, Mac confirmed this with a btsc, and he knew because of the mason. not sure if nutella ever confirmed in her chats

Yes, her role was to sacrifice herself to resurrect another player.

@Michelle

Yes this. Verified through Hyena dead chatting her.

Guys, I dead-chatted her. This is from the horse's mouth.

My bad...I didn't remember who had dead chatted her so did not recognize you as a horse.

[Timsup2nothin]

BTW, since the wolves obviously would want as much mech confusion in the mix as they could get Hyena setting up the dead chat with the only way we resolved "oooohhhhh, spooky, Nutella missing, wonder what that's about" is heavily town siding and Hyena is just town.

[Timsup2nothin]

BTW, since the wolves obviously would want as much mech confusion in the mix as they could get Hyena setting up the dead chat with the only way we resolved "oooohhhhh, spooky, Nutella missing, wonder what that's about" is heavily town siding and Hyena is just town.

Guess I should have started that Btw.

Wolf slipped again.

Dammit.

[hollowkatt]

@Michelle + @hollowkatt - why are you voting for Syn?

Can give a tim a pass as it's self-preservation

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[Kylemii]

is there any potential solving I can still do with my thief thing or should I solely be using my vote as a vote now

[Michelle]

Yes, her role was to sacrifice herself to resurrect another player.

Do you have any idea why Martin's negative part of ability would not work on Nutella?

I forget what that negative is.

Yes, her role was to sacrifice herself to resurrect another player.

Yeah, Mac confirmed this with a btsc, and he knew because of the mason. not sure if nutella ever confirmed in her chats

Yes, her role was to sacrifice herself to resurrect another player.

@Michelle

Yes this. Verified through Hyena dead chatting her.

Guys, I dead-chatted her. This is from the horse's mouth.

Nutella switched herself with Jack, Martin JKed her, and received answer from host that the negative part of his ability (i understand it's the RBer part) failed.
In the same night Dizzy claimed he targeted Nutella.
In that night were not townies killed, except Nanook's flip is false, but I doubt this.
I want to understand if Dizzy didn't claim he visited Nutella with a protective ability being affraid of a tracker, but instead he visited her with intention to kill her. I didn't find yet in the day the moment when Dizzy started to post, and being on phone will take some time to find it.

If something of the above sounds wrong, please tell me.

[Justplayingitcool]

is there any potential solving I can still do with my thief thing or should I solely be using my vote as a vote now

Steal me for the bants. You probs be a zero voter

[Michelle]

is there any potential solving I can still do with my thief thing or should I solely be using my vote as a vote now

Did you ever steal from tutuu?

[Long Con]

I feel like Tim has put forth sensible new angles on why we should townread another player more than once, and it makes me townread him.

[Timsup2nothin]

is there any potential solving I can still do with my thief thing or should I solely be using my vote as a vote now

IMO the time has come to just vote.

[Michelle]

nobody answer tutuu about who shot nanook

Syn has been referencing The Simpsons since before the game even started.

This is good for Syn ig

[Syn]

It's pretty evident there was some redirection mechanical fuckery in play. Wilgy should have copped himself due to radishes but didn't and claimed he landed on dizzy

@Syn - please can you ask wilgy to clarify the night he received Dizzy's role

catching up, just saw this

have asked, will report back if he responds