Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[tutuu]

so there is in fact no mafia curse giver. i control + f'd "curse" in made's iso and he seems to use that word liberally to call multiple stuff curses. he called kyle's role thieving ability a curse, he called jackofharts' ability a curse. it was just alison's power

[tutuu]

i really need to update the mech post

[tutuu]

@Justplayingitcool we could be right on our read on the reasons behind the modkill, but its possible radish never roleblocked tim because i think its confirmed that mafia has a redirector

[Justplayingitcool]

what power did alison give to made again? why is made saying that alison gave him the power to curse someone to talk funny?

made was cursed to talk funny. roleplaying Otis from the barn yard (i googled it, its a cow)

he tried to target Kyle but his action got reflected back to him

Wilgy also trie to target Michelle but action ended up being reflected to Dizzy

so mafia still does have a redirector? what were the theories with the redirector earlier

Made received a busdriver I believve

[tutuu]

if i go with the line of thought that mafia has a redirector i wont insist so much that people lock me as town due to kyle's peek then, i still think that u should because he shot tim on the same night he peeked me, so if he was redirected away from me wouldnt that also mess with his target nanook? but yea

[tutuu]

what power did alison give to made again? why is made saying that alison gave him the power to curse someone to talk funny?

made was cursed to talk funny. roleplaying Otis from the barn yard (i googled it, its a cow)

he tried to target Kyle but his action got reflected back to him

Wilgy also trie to target Michelle but action ended up being reflected to Dizzy

so mafia still does have a redirector? what were the theories with the redirector earlier

Made received a busdriver I believve

that was ted

[Michelle]

@Hyena are u still voting Dizzy? how? wilgy rolecopped dizzy and confirmed dizzy as 1-shot protector that protects from all bad stuff. martin also semi-confirmed dizzy because he tried to jailkeep nutella on the same night dizzy targeted her, and martin was told that the roleblock portion of his role didn't work - ergo dizzy prevented nutella from getting roleblocked

we have 2 separate mech sources that prove that Dizzy is a 1-shot protector role, and 1 mech source that prove that dizzy protected nutella on n3

why are u still voting him, what are you doing?

Wiggly role copped me and i was targeted by Ted if we consider LCs tracker claim, that means what Wiggly received is mafia doing shenanigans.
What if Dizzy targeted Nutella with a strongmam NK and after he saw the night results he came up with that role?
Wilgy said he will role cop me, this story of Dizzy confirmed is not right after all.

[tutuu]

@Hyena can you claim everything about your role please?

[Justplayingitcool]

what power did alison give to made again? why is made saying that alison gave him the power to curse someone to talk funny?

made was cursed to talk funny. roleplaying Otis from the barn yard (i googled it, its a cow)

he tried to target Kyle but his action got reflected back to him

Wilgy also trie to target Michelle but action ended up being reflected to Dizzy

so mafia still does have a redirector? what were the theories with the redirector earlier

Made received a busdriver I believve

that was ted

No, I'm pretty sure he received one. I specifically remember having an interaction that he received some sort of redirection

[Justplayingitcool]

if i go with the line of thought that mafia has a redirector i wont insist so much that people lock me as town due to kyle's peek then, i still think that u should because he shot tim on the same night he peeked me, so if he was redirected away from me wouldnt that also mess with his target nanook? but yea

Not if you can redirect yourself with another person. I think Ted was able to redirect himself as well

[Michelle]

@Michelle + @hollowkatt - why are you voting for Syn?

Can give a tim a pass as it's self-preservation

I will think after work, i would like to
[VOTE: unvote] aubergine and i will go in the empty slot for now.

Playing at work is risky after all

[Justplayingitcool]

@Hyena are u still voting Dizzy? how? wilgy rolecopped dizzy and confirmed dizzy as 1-shot protector that protects from all bad stuff. martin also semi-confirmed dizzy because he tried to jailkeep nutella on the same night dizzy targeted her, and martin was told that the roleblock portion of his role didn't work - ergo dizzy prevented nutella from getting roleblocked

we have 2 separate mech sources that prove that Dizzy is a 1-shot protector role, and 1 mech source that prove that dizzy protected nutella on n3

why are u still voting him, what are you doing?

Wiggly role copped me and i was targeted by Ted if we consider LCs tracker claim, that means what Wiggly received is mafia doing shenanigans.
What if Dizzy targeted Nutella with a strongmam NK and after he saw the night results he came up with that role?
Wilgy said he will role cop me, this story of Dizzy confirmed is not right after all.

We know dizzy's role exists because of wilgy

[tutuu]

@Hyena are u still voting Dizzy? how? wilgy rolecopped dizzy and confirmed dizzy as 1-shot protector that protects from all bad stuff. martin also semi-confirmed dizzy because he tried to jailkeep nutella on the same night dizzy targeted her, and martin was told that the roleblock portion of his role didn't work - ergo dizzy prevented nutella from getting roleblocked

we have 2 separate mech sources that prove that Dizzy is a 1-shot protector role, and 1 mech source that prove that dizzy protected nutella on n3

why are u still voting him, what are you doing?

Wiggly role copped me and i was targeted by Ted if we consider LCs tracker claim, that means what Wiggly received is mafia doing shenanigans.
What if Dizzy targeted Nutella with a strongmam NK and after he saw the night results he came up with that role?
Wilgy said he will role cop me, this story of Dizzy confirmed is not right after all.

LC saw that ted tageted himself, you and martin

martin died on that night, so martin was the victim of the factional kill

im not sure if anyone received a ted song on that night. but i think that we can assume that ted busdrove himself with you?

remember that martin claimed that he received feedback from the hosts on night 3 when he targeted nutella telling him that the negative part of his role (the roleblocking) didnt work, only that part. he was expplicitly told about it

no one else have claimed i believe to interact / protectnutella on that night. tony didnt. dizzy is the only claimant

so i believe we have confirmation that some dizzy targeted nutella on n3 and protected nutella from getting roleblocked, i believe this is confirmed

its not a 100% town peek on dizzy i guess u can argue that but i believe its confirmed that dizzy protected nutella from getting roleblocked by martin n3 (even if there are mafia shenanigans i dont see a way in which this isnt confirmed)

[tutuu]

what power did alison give to made again? why is made saying that alison gave him the power to curse someone to talk funny?

made was cursed to talk funny. roleplaying Otis from the barn yard (i googled it, its a cow)

he tried to target Kyle but his action got reflected back to him

Wilgy also trie to target Michelle but action ended up being reflected to Dizzy

so mafia still does have a redirector? what were the theories with the redirector earlier

Made received a busdriver I believve

that was ted

No, I'm pretty sure he received one. I specifically remember having an interaction that he received some sort of redirection

it was ted who received the busdriver

offered bus driver to ted

@tutuu your mech post is slightly wrong, I choose when I offer the bargain if I redirect votes or night actions, it isn't both by default, other than that you're correct

[tutuu]

about made's redirection - yes i just went over that. i dont believe that he knew about it though. but he did say the word "find busdriver at my place" or something. was tht part of his engi role? let me double check

[tutuu]

Day 8...intermission


You may not be able to see yourself dead in your dreams...
but you sure can see others dying.

When a hero sacrifices themselves for the greater good,
is it always in the best interest?

Dodo needs to keep sleeping and keep dreaming to find out.



Made has not made it out alive.

Spoiler: show

Made was Engi Crewmember, Town.

Collect scrap to trade in for a new ability. Scrap for that Day equals the number of votes the Day’s victim received. Every five scrap unlocks the next tier. Example: Five scrap collected and cashed in = a modest ability. Thirty-five scrap collected and cashed in = a superb ability.

Dual Lasers: Your vote is worth two.
Med Bay: Two votes against you will not count.
Halberd Beam: Add a vote by PM to two adjacent names on the poll
Flak Cannon: Make any three additional votes by PM (must be different names)
Mind Control: Control the person your target will target at Night
Zoltan Shield: Any single attempt on your life will fail
Stealth: Take yourself off the poll permanently

It is still Day 8. Made has been removed from the poll. Please vote elsewhere.

right. mind control. made did have a redirector power

okay, i missed that. so does this explain the redirecton on wilgy from michelle to dizzy? let me think

[Justplayingitcool]

@Alison - what did you give Made again?

[tutuu]

so about made's role - looks like he received all of those abilities pretty fast. 1 scrap for 1 vote on the yeet wagon. day 1 we had like what - 10 votes? or maybe less

i think he fully unlocked his ability by like day 4

let me try to dig up if he talk / claimed / implied tht he redirected wilgy to dizzy

but im ttrying to think - does this explain why he redirected himself from kyle to himself?

[Justplayingitcool]

If made redirected he would or should have claimed it. idk why I thought he was given redirection powers from Alison

[tutuu]

kyle stole made's ability

made attempted to give post restriction to kyle on the same night (given by alison)

made ended up targetting himself with it

made is a redirector

how does this all tie

kyle also did mention that there were a bunch of inconsistencies / the hosts overlooking some interactions / the hosts arguing about "should this work like that"

[tutuu]

i need to find out who did kyle targeted after he stole made's ability

[tutuu]

kyle stole made's power on day 7

[tutuu]

i'm confused by the thief process last night

i didn't get a busdrive but i think i maybe got busdrove? but also idk what that even means

my vote is worth 2 today, somehow, because i stole from made

[tutuu]

kyle thinks he got busdriven, im assuming an ambiguous feedack message

made attempted to target kyle, and ended up targetting himself

so... someone busdrove made with kyle?

or ... made has a role thats like. "target a player. for every other player that targets your chosen player this night, redirect their actions back to them"

[tutuu]

or syn is mafia and he somehow inhereted ted's busdriving power after ted got yeeted and he used tht but no lol. syn isnt mafia based off day talk

but i find no reasonabl explanatinos for the mechanics

[tutuu]

surely if made redirected wilgy on the night wilgy claimed that role cop he would have claimed it right? he definitely would have

so yeah scum has ... a busdriver i think. or something like that. redirector-esque

either that, and / or the interactions between the compexity of some of the roles wasnt accounted for, and some resolutions of some of the action were made up on the spot

[tutuu]

you should all just vote tim, he's the last mafia

[tutuu]

wilgy: attempts to visit michelle
radish: makes wilgy visit wilgy
result = wilgy visits dizzy

lol

[Alison]

@Alison - what did you give Made again?

I gave him the power to restrict people's posts

[Justplayingitcool]

@Alison - what did you give Made again?

I gave him the power to restrict people's posts

So like the role I had in radiohead where I could put a cap on people posting?

[Michelle]

@Hyena are u still voting Dizzy? how? wilgy rolecopped dizzy and confirmed dizzy as 1-shot protector that protects from all bad stuff. martin also semi-confirmed dizzy because he tried to jailkeep nutella on the same night dizzy targeted her, and martin was told that the roleblock portion of his role didn't work - ergo dizzy prevented nutella from getting roleblocked

we have 2 separate mech sources that prove that Dizzy is a 1-shot protector role, and 1 mech source that prove that dizzy protected nutella on n3

why are u still voting him, what are you doing?

Wiggly role copped me and i was targeted by Ted if we consider LCs tracker claim, that means what Wiggly received is mafia doing shenanigans.
What if Dizzy targeted Nutella with a strongmam NK and after he saw the night results he came up with that role?
Wilgy said he will role cop me, this story of Dizzy confirmed is not right after all.

LC saw that ted tageted himself, you and martin

martin died on that night, so martin was the victim of the factional kill

im not sure if anyone received a ted song on that night. but i think that we can assume that ted busdrove himself with you?

remember that martin claimed that he received feedback from the hosts on night 3 when he targeted nutella telling him that the negative part of his role (the roleblocking) didnt work, only that part. he was expplicitly told about it

no one else have claimed i believe to interact / protectnutella on that night. tony didnt. dizzy is the only claimant

so i believe we have confirmation that some dizzy targeted nutella on n3 and protected nutella from getting roleblocked, i believe this is confirmed

its not a 100% town peek on dizzy i guess u can argue that but i believe its confirmed that dizzy protected nutella from getting roleblocked by martin n3 (even if there are mafia shenanigans i dont see a way in which this isnt confirmed)

I don't doubt Dizzy targeted Nutella, but I doubt now it was protection. I don't see how protection would nullify a roleblock, and a thing that could have the result of failed roleblock on n3 could be a strongman kill.
Idk why you don't consider this part of my idea when you answer me, because that would explain some things
Mafia would kill Nutella but she make that move of switching herself with Jack, and all that Dizzy if he is mafia could do was to invent a role to match the result, in a way that could be accepted by everyone.
I don't know if this is true but we shouls check how that claim was posted and when
Nothing explains why Wilgy received Dizzy's role, except mafia imposed a result to be expressed itt to verify a role that may not exist.

[Justplayingitcool]

@Hyena are u still voting Dizzy? how? wilgy rolecopped dizzy and confirmed dizzy as 1-shot protector that protects from all bad stuff. martin also semi-confirmed dizzy because he tried to jailkeep nutella on the same night dizzy targeted her, and martin was told that the roleblock portion of his role didn't work - ergo dizzy prevented nutella from getting roleblocked

we have 2 separate mech sources that prove that Dizzy is a 1-shot protector role, and 1 mech source that prove that dizzy protected nutella on n3

why are u still voting him, what are you doing?

Wiggly role copped me and i was targeted by Ted if we consider LCs tracker claim, that means what Wiggly received is mafia doing shenanigans.
What if Dizzy targeted Nutella with a strongmam NK and after he saw the night results he came up with that role?
Wilgy said he will role cop me, this story of Dizzy confirmed is not right after all.

LC saw that ted tageted himself, you and martin

martin died on that night, so martin was the victim of the factional kill

im not sure if anyone received a ted song on that night. but i think that we can assume that ted busdrove himself with you?

remember that martin claimed that he received feedback from the hosts on night 3 when he targeted nutella telling him that the negative part of his role (the roleblocking) didnt work, only that part. he was expplicitly told about it

no one else have claimed i believe to interact / protectnutella on that night. tony didnt. dizzy is the only claimant

so i believe we have confirmation that some dizzy targeted nutella on n3 and protected nutella from getting roleblocked, i believe this is confirmed

its not a 100% town peek on dizzy i guess u can argue that but i believe its confirmed that dizzy protected nutella from getting roleblocked by martin n3 (even if there are mafia shenanigans i dont see a way in which this isnt confirmed)

I don't doubt Dizzy targeted Nutella, but I doubt now it was protection. I don't see how protection would nullify a roleblock, and a thing that could have the result of failed roleblock on n3 could be a strongman kill.
Idk why you don't consider this part of my idea when you answer me, because that would explain some things
Mafia would kill Nutella but she make that move of switching herself with Jack, and all that Dizzy if he is mafia could do was to invent a role to match the result, in a way that could be accepted by everyone.
I don't know if this is true but we shouls check how that claim was posted and when
Nothing explains why Wilgy received Dizzy's role, except mafia imposed a result to be expressed itt to verify a role that may not exist.

But dizzy claimed the role BEFORE wilgy's result

[Justplayingitcool]

Also, nobody has counterclaimed dizzy from having that role

[Michelle]

@Hyena are u still voting Dizzy? how? wilgy rolecopped dizzy and confirmed dizzy as 1-shot protector that protects from all bad stuff. martin also semi-confirmed dizzy because he tried to jailkeep nutella on the same night dizzy targeted her, and martin was told that the roleblock portion of his role didn't work - ergo dizzy prevented nutella from getting roleblocked

we have 2 separate mech sources that prove that Dizzy is a 1-shot protector role, and 1 mech source that prove that dizzy protected nutella on n3

why are u still voting him, what are you doing?

Wiggly role copped me and i was targeted by Ted if we consider LCs tracker claim, that means what Wiggly received is mafia doing shenanigans.
What if Dizzy targeted Nutella with a strongmam NK and after he saw the night results he came up with that role?
Wilgy said he will role cop me, this story of Dizzy confirmed is not right after all.

LC saw that ted tageted himself, you and martin

martin died on that night, so martin was the victim of the factional kill

im not sure if anyone received a ted song on that night. but i think that we can assume that ted busdrove himself with you?

remember that martin claimed that he received feedback from the hosts on night 3 when he targeted nutella telling him that the negative part of his role (the roleblocking) didnt work, only that part. he was expplicitly told about it

no one else have claimed i believe to interact / protectnutella on that night. tony didnt. dizzy is the only claimant

so i believe we have confirmation that some dizzy targeted nutella on n3 and protected nutella from getting roleblocked, i believe this is confirmed

its not a 100% town peek on dizzy i guess u can argue that but i believe its confirmed that dizzy protected nutella from getting roleblocked by martin n3 (even if there are mafia shenanigans i dont see a way in which this isnt confirmed)

I don't doubt Dizzy targeted Nutella, but I doubt now it was protection. I don't see how protection would nullify a roleblock, and a thing that could have the result of failed roleblock on n3 could be a strongman kill.
Idk why you don't consider this part of my idea when you answer me, because that would explain some things
Mafia would kill Nutella but she make that move of switching herself with Jack, and all that Dizzy if he is mafia could do was to invent a role to match the result, in a way that could be accepted by everyone.
I don't know if this is true but we shouls check how that claim was posted and when
Nothing explains why Wilgy received Dizzy's role, except mafia imposed a result to be expressed itt to verify a role that may not exist.

But dizzy claimed the role BEFORE wilgy's result

Dizzy claimed after Nutella switched with Jack, so in day 4

[Justplayingitcool]

@Hyena are u still voting Dizzy? how? wilgy rolecopped dizzy and confirmed dizzy as 1-shot protector that protects from all bad stuff. martin also semi-confirmed dizzy because he tried to jailkeep nutella on the same night dizzy targeted her, and martin was told that the roleblock portion of his role didn't work - ergo dizzy prevented nutella from getting roleblocked

we have 2 separate mech sources that prove that Dizzy is a 1-shot protector role, and 1 mech source that prove that dizzy protected nutella on n3

why are u still voting him, what are you doing?

Wiggly role copped me and i was targeted by Ted if we consider LCs tracker claim, that means what Wiggly received is mafia doing shenanigans.
What if Dizzy targeted Nutella with a strongmam NK and after he saw the night results he came up with that role?
Wilgy said he will role cop me, this story of Dizzy confirmed is not right after all.

LC saw that ted tageted himself, you and martin

martin died on that night, so martin was the victim of the factional kill

im not sure if anyone received a ted song on that night. but i think that we can assume that ted busdrove himself with you?

remember that martin claimed that he received feedback from the hosts on night 3 when he targeted nutella telling him that the negative part of his role (the roleblocking) didnt work, only that part. he was expplicitly told about it

no one else have claimed i believe to interact / protectnutella on that night. tony didnt. dizzy is the only claimant

so i believe we have confirmation that some dizzy targeted nutella on n3 and protected nutella from getting roleblocked, i believe this is confirmed

its not a 100% town peek on dizzy i guess u can argue that but i believe its confirmed that dizzy protected nutella from getting roleblocked by martin n3 (even if there are mafia shenanigans i dont see a way in which this isnt confirmed)

I don't doubt Dizzy targeted Nutella, but I doubt now it was protection. I don't see how protection would nullify a roleblock, and a thing that could have the result of failed roleblock on n3 could be a strongman kill.
Idk why you don't consider this part of my idea when you answer me, because that would explain some things
Mafia would kill Nutella but she make that move of switching herself with Jack, and all that Dizzy if he is mafia could do was to invent a role to match the result, in a way that could be accepted by everyone.
I don't know if this is true but we shouls check how that claim was posted and when
Nothing explains why Wilgy received Dizzy's role, except mafia imposed a result to be expressed itt to verify a role that may not exist.

But dizzy claimed the role BEFORE wilgy's result

Dizzy claimed after Nutella switched with Jack, so in day 4

Yeah, and wilgy revealed his result on the day we yeeted ted

[Michelle]

Also, nobody has counterclaimed dizzy from having that role

Doesn't matter, is not a normal role anyway, maybe doesn't exist at all and Dizzy claimed the visit to Nutella in the idea of a tracker who could see him visiting, inventing a role.

[Justplayingitcool]

why would it not exist. we have evidence from wilgy...

[tutuu]

@Hyena are u still voting Dizzy? how? wilgy rolecopped dizzy and confirmed dizzy as 1-shot protector that protects from all bad stuff. martin also semi-confirmed dizzy because he tried to jailkeep nutella on the same night dizzy targeted her, and martin was told that the roleblock portion of his role didn't work - ergo dizzy prevented nutella from getting roleblocked

we have 2 separate mech sources that prove that Dizzy is a 1-shot protector role, and 1 mech source that prove that dizzy protected nutella on n3

why are u still voting him, what are you doing?

Wiggly role copped me and i was targeted by Ted if we consider LCs tracker claim, that means what Wiggly received is mafia doing shenanigans.
What if Dizzy targeted Nutella with a strongmam NK and after he saw the night results he came up with that role?
Wilgy said he will role cop me, this story of Dizzy confirmed is not right after all.

LC saw that ted tageted himself, you and martin

martin died on that night, so martin was the victim of the factional kill

im not sure if anyone received a ted song on that night. but i think that we can assume that ted busdrove himself with you?

remember that martin claimed that he received feedback from the hosts on night 3 when he targeted nutella telling him that the negative part of his role (the roleblocking) didnt work, only that part. he was expplicitly told about it

no one else have claimed i believe to interact / protectnutella on that night. tony didnt. dizzy is the only claimant

so i believe we have confirmation that some dizzy targeted nutella on n3 and protected nutella from getting roleblocked, i believe this is confirmed

its not a 100% town peek on dizzy i guess u can argue that but i believe its confirmed that dizzy protected nutella from getting roleblocked by martin n3 (even if there are mafia shenanigans i dont see a way in which this isnt confirmed)

I don't doubt Dizzy targeted Nutella, but I doubt now it was protection. I don't see how protection would nullify a roleblock, and a thing that could have the result of failed roleblock on n3 could be a strongman kill.
Idk why you don't consider this part of my idea when you answer me, because that would explain some things
Mafia would kill Nutella but she make that move of switching herself with Jack, and all that Dizzy if he is mafia could do was to invent a role to match the result, in a way that could be accepted by everyone.
I don't know if this is true but we shouls check how that claim was posted and when
Nothing explains why Wilgy received Dizzy's role, except mafia imposed a result to be expressed itt to verify a role that may not exist.

No, youre mixing things up. "The thing that could have the result of a failed roleblock could be a strongman kill" - yes in theory. But it has nothing to do with our case, because nutella was the one getting roleblocked, not dizzy

We know nutella died by her own role, she claimed it after her death using hyenas role

In radiohead mafia there was a town role that protected a target from all disruptive effects including getting roleblocked, i acknowledge that you think that such a role is weird but i dont think its weird, i have seen it before, wilgy also confirmed it

Even if dizzy is a mafia strongman killer, he also proteted nutella from getting roleblocked n3

[Justplayingitcool]

We literally know the role exists because of wilgy, so it's not like the role was invented on the spot. Nobody else has counterclaimed having the role that wilgy copped

[Michelle]

Spoiler: show

@Hyena are u still voting Dizzy? how? wilgy rolecopped dizzy and confirmed dizzy as 1-shot protector that protects from all bad stuff. martin also semi-confirmed dizzy because he tried to jailkeep nutella on the same night dizzy targeted her, and martin was told that the roleblock portion of his role didn't work - ergo dizzy prevented nutella from getting roleblocked

we have 2 separate mech sources that prove that Dizzy is a 1-shot protector role, and 1 mech source that prove that dizzy protected nutella on n3

why are u still voting him, what are you doing?

Wiggly role copped me and i was targeted by Ted if we consider LCs tracker claim, that means what Wiggly received is mafia doing shenanigans.
What if Dizzy targeted Nutella with a strongmam NK and after he saw the night results he came up with that role?
Wilgy said he will role cop me, this story of Dizzy confirmed is not right after all.

LC saw that ted tageted himself, you and martin

martin died on that night, so martin was the victim of the factional kill

im not sure if anyone received a ted song on that night. but i think that we can assume that ted busdrove himself with you?

remember that martin claimed that he received feedback from the hosts on night 3 when he targeted nutella telling him that the negative part of his role (the roleblocking) didnt work, only that part. he was expplicitly told about it

no one else have claimed i believe to interact / protectnutella on that night. tony didnt. dizzy is the only claimant

so i believe we have confirmation that some dizzy targeted nutella on n3 and protected nutella from getting roleblocked, i believe this is confirmed

its not a 100% town peek on dizzy i guess u can argue that but i believe its confirmed that dizzy protected nutella from getting roleblocked by martin n3 (even if there are mafia shenanigans i dont see a way in which this isnt confirmed)

I don't doubt Dizzy targeted Nutella, but I doubt now it was protection. I don't see how protection would nullify a roleblock, and a thing that could have the result of failed roleblock on n3 could be a strongman kill.
Idk why you don't consider this part of my idea when you answer me, because that would explain some things
Mafia would kill Nutella but she make that move of switching herself with Jack, and all that Dizzy if he is mafia could do was to invent a role to match the result, in a way that could be accepted by everyone.
I don't know if this is true but we shouls check how that claim was posted and when
Nothing explains why Wilgy received Dizzy's role, except mafia imposed a result to be expressed itt to verify a role that may not exist.

But dizzy claimed the role BEFORE wilgy's result

Dizzy claimed after Nutella switched with Jack, so in day 4

Yeah, and wilgy revealed his result on the day we yeeted ted

That was later in the game. Now we know Wilgy as villager would not invent the result, but at contrary, would post what he received

Why received Wilgy, instead of my role, and after i was visited by Ted, a role claimed by someone who wasn't targeted that night ?
Isn't this convenient to confirm that the role is in the game?

[Justplayingitcool]

It's pretty evident there was some redirection mechanical fuckery in play. Wilgy should have copped himself due to radishes but didn't and claimed he landed on dizzy

@Syn - please can you ask wilgy to clarify the night he received Dizzy's role

[tutuu]

Spoiler: show

Wiggly role copped me and i was targeted by Ted if we consider LCs tracker claim, that means what Wiggly received is mafia doing shenanigans.
What if Dizzy targeted Nutella with a strongmam NK and after he saw the night results he came up with that role?
Wilgy said he will role cop me, this story of Dizzy confirmed is not right after all.

LC saw that ted tageted himself, you and martin

martin died on that night, so martin was the victim of the factional kill

im not sure if anyone received a ted song on that night. but i think that we can assume that ted busdrove himself with you?

remember that martin claimed that he received feedback from the hosts on night 3 when he targeted nutella telling him that the negative part of his role (the roleblocking) didnt work, only that part. he was expplicitly told about it

no one else have claimed i believe to interact / protectnutella on that night. tony didnt. dizzy is the only claimant

so i believe we have confirmation that some dizzy targeted nutella on n3 and protected nutella from getting roleblocked, i believe this is confirmed

its not a 100% town peek on dizzy i guess u can argue that but i believe its confirmed that dizzy protected nutella from getting roleblocked by martin n3 (even if there are mafia shenanigans i dont see a way in which this isnt confirmed)

I don't doubt Dizzy targeted Nutella, but I doubt now it was protection. I don't see how protection would nullify a roleblock, and a thing that could have the result of failed roleblock on n3 could be a strongman kill.
Idk why you don't consider this part of my idea when you answer me, because that would explain some things
Mafia would kill Nutella but she make that move of switching herself with Jack, and all that Dizzy if he is mafia could do was to invent a role to match the result, in a way that could be accepted by everyone.
I don't know if this is true but we shouls check how that claim was posted and when
Nothing explains why Wilgy received Dizzy's role, except mafia imposed a result to be expressed itt to verify a role that may not exist.

But dizzy claimed the role BEFORE wilgy's result

Dizzy claimed after Nutella switched with Jack, so in day 4

Yeah, and wilgy revealed his result on the day we yeeted ted

That was later in the game. Now we know Wilgy as villager would not invent the result, but at contrary, would post what he received

Why received Wilgy, instead of my role, and after i was visited by Ted, a role claimed by someone who wasn't targeted that night ?
Isn't this convenient to confirm that the role is in the game?

The theory that mafia has a framer esque role that implanted a manufactured feedback result for wilgy that dizzy the mafia had full control over and then dizzy the mafia claiming that manufactured feedback result as a role seems like a very far fetched theory and seems less likely than dizzy being town and mafia having some kind of redirecting powers

[Michelle]

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@Hyena are u still voting Dizzy? how? wilgy rolecopped dizzy and confirmed dizzy as 1-shot protector that protects from all bad stuff. martin also semi-confirmed dizzy because he tried to jailkeep nutella on the same night dizzy targeted her, and martin was told that the roleblock portion of his role didn't work - ergo dizzy prevented nutella from getting roleblocked

we have 2 separate mech sources that prove that Dizzy is a 1-shot protector role, and 1 mech source that prove that dizzy protected nutella on n3

why are u still voting him, what are you doing?

Wiggly role copped me and i was targeted by Ted if we consider LCs tracker claim, that means what Wiggly received is mafia doing shenanigans.
What if Dizzy targeted Nutella with a strongmam NK and after he saw the night results he came up with that role?
Wilgy said he will role cop me, this story of Dizzy confirmed is not right after all.

LC saw that ted tageted himself, you and martin

martin died on that night, so martin was the victim of the factional kill

im not sure if anyone received a ted song on that night. but i think that we can assume that ted busdrove himself with you?

remember that martin claimed that he received feedback from the hosts on night 3 when he targeted nutella telling him that the negative part of his role (the roleblocking) didnt work, only that part. he was expplicitly told about it

no one else have claimed i believe to interact / protectnutella on that night. tony didnt. dizzy is the only claimant

so i believe we have confirmation that some dizzy targeted nutella on n3 and protected nutella from getting roleblocked, i believe this is confirmed

its not a 100% town peek on dizzy i guess u can argue that but i believe its confirmed that dizzy protected nutella from getting roleblocked by martin n3 (even if there are mafia shenanigans i dont see a way in which this isnt confirmed)

I don't doubt Dizzy targeted Nutella, but I doubt now it was protection. I don't see how protection would nullify a roleblock, and a thing that could have the result of failed roleblock on n3 could be a strongman kill.
Idk why you don't consider this part of my idea when you answer me, because that would explain some things
Mafia would kill Nutella but she make that move of switching herself with Jack, and all that Dizzy if he is mafia could do was to invent a role to match the result, in a way that could be accepted by everyone.
I don't know if this is true but we shouls check how that claim was posted and when
Nothing explains why Wilgy received Dizzy's role, except mafia imposed a result to be expressed itt to verify a role that may not exist.

No, youre mixing things up. "The thing that could have the result of a failed roleblock could be a strongman kill" - yes in theory. But it has nothing to do with our case, because nutella was the one getting roleblocked, not dizzy

We know nutella died by her own role, she claimed it after her death using hyenas role

In radiohead mafia there was a town role that protected a target from all disruptive effects including getting roleblocked, i acknowledge that you think that such a role is weird but i dont think its weird, i have seen it before, wilgy also confirmed it

Even if dizzy is a mafia strongman killer, he also proteted nutella from getting roleblocked n3

Let's see:
Step 1 Nutella is Jailkept by Martin
Step 2 Nutella is switching place with Jack
Step 3 Dizzy targets Nutella with strong 'protection'
Step 4 Nutella"s slot is empty, but the roleblock fails and Martin finds out this.

What is the order of operations here?
If we switch 'protect' with 'strongman kill' the result is different?

[Justplayingitcool]

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LC saw that ted tageted himself, you and martin

martin died on that night, so martin was the victim of the factional kill

im not sure if anyone received a ted song on that night. but i think that we can assume that ted busdrove himself with you?

remember that martin claimed that he received feedback from the hosts on night 3 when he targeted nutella telling him that the negative part of his role (the roleblocking) didnt work, only that part. he was expplicitly told about it

no one else have claimed i believe to interact / protectnutella on that night. tony didnt. dizzy is the only claimant

so i believe we have confirmation that some dizzy targeted nutella on n3 and protected nutella from getting roleblocked, i believe this is confirmed

its not a 100% town peek on dizzy i guess u can argue that but i believe its confirmed that dizzy protected nutella from getting roleblocked by martin n3 (even if there are mafia shenanigans i dont see a way in which this isnt confirmed)

I don't doubt Dizzy targeted Nutella, but I doubt now it was protection. I don't see how protection would nullify a roleblock, and a thing that could have the result of failed roleblock on n3 could be a strongman kill.
Idk why you don't consider this part of my idea when you answer me, because that would explain some things
Mafia would kill Nutella but she make that move of switching herself with Jack, and all that Dizzy if he is mafia could do was to invent a role to match the result, in a way that could be accepted by everyone.
I don't know if this is true but we shouls check how that claim was posted and when
Nothing explains why Wilgy received Dizzy's role, except mafia imposed a result to be expressed itt to verify a role that may not exist.

But dizzy claimed the role BEFORE wilgy's result

Dizzy claimed after Nutella switched with Jack, so in day 4

Yeah, and wilgy revealed his result on the day we yeeted ted

That was later in the game. Now we know Wilgy as villager would not invent the result, but at contrary, would post what he received

Why received Wilgy, instead of my role, and after i was visited by Ted, a role claimed by someone who wasn't targeted that night ?
Isn't this convenient to confirm that the role is in the game?

The theory that mafia has a framer esque role that implanted a manufactured feedback result for wilgy that dizzy the mafia had full control over and then dizzy the mafia claiming that manufactured feedback result as a role seems like a very far fetched theory and seems less likely than dizzy being town and mafia having some kind of redirecting powers

Even if the framer role is a thing, it would still require redirection fuckery

[tutuu]

We dont know what the order of operations is unfortunately, some of the syndicate admins are working on setting some kind of standards for future games but its not here yet

Martin (if memory serves) claimed that he was told that only the roleblocking part of his role didnt work on nutella. He wasnt told that his protective part on nutella didnt work.

If his entire action fizzles because the nutella slot was empty, i think he would have gotten the result that his entire action didnt work, and he wouldnt reveive elaboration thay only the "negative"(by his own words) part of his role didnt work

[Michelle]

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LC saw that ted tageted himself, you and martin

martin died on that night, so martin was the victim of the factional kill

im not sure if anyone received a ted song on that night. but i think that we can assume that ted busdrove himself with you?

remember that martin claimed that he received feedback from the hosts on night 3 when he targeted nutella telling him that the negative part of his role (the roleblocking) didnt work, only that part. he was expplicitly told about it

no one else have claimed i believe to interact / protectnutella on that night. tony didnt. dizzy is the only claimant

so i believe we have confirmation that some dizzy targeted nutella on n3 and protected nutella from getting roleblocked, i believe this is confirmed

its not a 100% town peek on dizzy i guess u can argue that but i believe its confirmed that dizzy protected nutella from getting roleblocked by martin n3 (even if there are mafia shenanigans i dont see a way in which this isnt confirmed)

I don't doubt Dizzy targeted Nutella, but I doubt now it was protection. I don't see how protection would nullify a roleblock, and a thing that could have the result of failed roleblock on n3 could be a strongman kill.
Idk why you don't consider this part of my idea when you answer me, because that would explain some things
Mafia would kill Nutella but she make that move of switching herself with Jack, and all that Dizzy if he is mafia could do was to invent a role to match the result, in a way that could be accepted by everyone.
I don't know if this is true but we shouls check how that claim was posted and when
Nothing explains why Wilgy received Dizzy's role, except mafia imposed a result to be expressed itt to verify a role that may not exist.

But dizzy claimed the role BEFORE wilgy's result

Dizzy claimed after Nutella switched with Jack, so in day 4

Yeah, and wilgy revealed his result on the day we yeeted ted

That was later in the game. Now we know Wilgy as villager would not invent the result, but at contrary, would post what he received

Why received Wilgy, instead of my role, and after i was visited by Ted, a role claimed by someone who wasn't targeted that night ?
Isn't this convenient to confirm that the role is in the game?

The theory that mafia has a framer esque role that implanted a manufactured feedback result for wilgy that dizzy the mafia had full control over and then dizzy the mafia claiming that manufactured feedback result as a role seems like a very far fetched theory and seems less likely than dizzy being town and mafia having some kind of redirecting powers

Lets find the logic of redirections, if Ted targeted Martin, me and himself, then someone targeted Wilgy to receive Dizzy's claimed role? Is this possible? Why exactly Dizzy's?

Are we sure there is one mafia left itg? Or there can be 2?

[Michelle]

We dont know what the order of operations is unfortunately, some of the syndicate admins are working on setting some kind of standards for future games but its not here yet

Martin (if memory serves) claimed that he was told that only the roleblocking part of his role didnt work on nutella. He wasnt told that his protective part on nutella didnt work.

If his entire action fizzles because the nutella slot was empty, i think he would have gotten the result that his entire action didnt work, and he wouldnt reveive elaboration thay only the "negative"(by his own words) part of his role didnt work

can we imagine the order fot that night?

[tutuu]

Also if dizzy strongman killed martin i also dont think that martin would have been explicitly told that only him roleblocking nutella has failed

But regardless a protective role is confirmed to exist and dizzy is the one claiming it

[Michelle]

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[Michelle]

Also if dizzy strongman killed martin i also dont think that martin would have been explicitly told that only him roleblocking nutella has failed

But regardless a protective role is confirmed to exist and dizzy is the one claiming it

I want to understand your first sentence