Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

What did your message say

[Gavial]

If Grogu targeted Sloonei and the only person who visited him was ChopChop and Sloonei died then like what more do we need to go on?

Also I thought ChopChop was going to target me last night?

You said you got RB’ed when trying to visit Alison so there’s no point because your visit didn’t go through.
Be nice if Grogu actually claimed.

[Gavial]

What did your message say

I already posted it to Urist but here:
/Message Sloon

Congratulations!
You have won a Free Day Vig.
But ONLY and ONLY if you state all you have targeted during the nights in the public chat during today in this day phase.
IF and only IF you have target Alison you will receive an additional Day Vig.
BUT and only BUT if you vote Alison today, you will receive a Universal Janitor to go with it.

[TonyStarkPrime]

though honestly that's so crazy that it might be real

[Marmot]

You have dayvigs to give out? ???

[Gavial]

If Grogu targeted Sloonei and the only person who visited him was ChopChop and Sloonei died then like what more do we need to go on?

Also I thought ChopChop was going to target me last night?

if grogu saw chopchop visit sloonei, it means chopchop didn't kill sloonei because grogu's ability cannot detect fatal actions

@Grogu
Explain!

[Gavial]

why does chop send a message to sloonei if town

Because I SR’ed Sloon and I wanted to see their reaction towards it and I need to target someone who targeted you or else my faction spy is useless.

[Gavial]

You have dayvigs to give out? ???

No.
It’s a reaction test.

[TonyStarkPrime]

@Martin I can't explain my vote on rej but also I don't think I did vote for rej. That one post you called out is in the context of the one right after it

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

How do you expect to get reactions from that there's no role that can do that in the setup

[Gavial]

Oh I figured out who you are

Hi ds

Nope, I’m a guy that you decided to 1V1 in the game where you choose your 1V1’s because it is 4 Town Versus 3 Mafia.

[Marmot]

You have dayvigs to give out? ???

No.
It’s a reaction test.

I was gonna say, how is Tony still alive?

[Gavial]

We had that game on Mafia451.
For some reason you had to choose me but luckily you scum slipped so I won that 1v1.

[Gavial]

I still don't understand why there were 0 enclave voters on the chop wagon yesterday if chop is enclave.

Unless the entire enclave team decided to just vote Mac and hope nobody reads the vote count.

Made, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Alison, TonyStarkPrime, KZA
DaughterOfOmega

So you know that TSP, Nanook and KZA are not enclave how?

Also Made was voting there.

Or is it that you meant to say made wagon in which case

MartinGG99, Long Con, Kylemii, Jackofhearts2005, MacDougall, Sloonei, Marmot
Dom

So you know LC, Kyle, Jack, Mac, Marmot and Dom are not enclave how?

None of what you just said makes sense wot.

If KZA is Enclave I’ll shit my pants and quit FM.
I didn’t sign up for Bastard.

[Gavial]

Usually when someone flips, it’s their actual role.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I still don't understand why there were 0 enclave voters on the chop wagon yesterday if chop is enclave.

Unless the entire enclave team decided to just vote Mac and hope nobody reads the vote count.

Made, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Alison, TonyStarkPrime, KZA
DaughterOfOmega

So you know that TSP, Nanook and KZA are not enclave how?

Also Made was voting there.

Or is it that you meant to say made wagon in which case

MartinGG99, Long Con, Kylemii, Jackofhearts2005, MacDougall, Sloonei, Marmot
Dom

So you know LC, Kyle, Jack, Mac, Marmot and Dom are not enclave how?

None of what you just said makes sense wot.

If KZA is Enclave I’ll shit my pants and quit FM.
I didn’t sign up for Bastard.

i agree with this man

[Marmot]

So Mac and Grogu are both saying they think ChopChop is scum for raisins, but they won't talk about those raisins, and we're going to believe them? Am I understanding this situation correctly?

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

[Gavial]

though honestly that's so crazy that it might be real

Oh don’t try and use this post as an excuse after my flip.
I swear if you go “I had doubts at the end, my bad” and people actually leave you be. Ima lose my mind.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Oh I figured out who you are

Hi ds

Nope, I’m a guy that you decided to 1V1 in the game where you choose your 1V1’s because it is 4 Town Versus 3 Mafia.

Oh yeah I remember that game

Hi seth

[TonyStarkPrime]

if chop flips town i dunno if everyone else could treat me any harsher than I would treat myself

[TonyStarkPrime]

I'm doing VCA leave me alone

[Gavial]

Oh I figured out who you are

Hi ds

Nope, I’m a guy that you decided to 1V1 in the game where you choose your 1V1’s because it is 4 Town Versus 3 Mafia.

Oh yeah I remember that game

Hi seth

[Grogu]

So Mac and Grogu are both saying they think ChopChop is scum for raisins, but they won't talk about those raisins, and we're going to believe them? Am I understanding this situation correctly?

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

Actually I am not sure anymore. I was trying something but chop chop didn’t panic there. He might actually be town I guess, this game is hard.
Mac prob scum still. Not sure they are teamed

[TonyStarkPrime]

Some notes on methodology: my light greens are people who are I think either mostly cleared from one team or are town. These were determined before I started and I think they're consistent throughout. Everyone who's flipped I sorted by their color, Alison gets her own for "potential slaver", and everyone who has decent equity is what's left, no matter if they have just a little bit or if I think they're basically lock wolf.

DAY 1 FINAL:

Spoiler: show

BoKnows(8)
Voters: Urist, Esooa, staypositivefriend, MartinGG99, Rej, Alison, Grogu, Sloonei

c4e5g3d5(3)
Voters: Long Con, Epignosis, Dom

ChopChop(3)
Voters: TonyStarkPrime, c4e5g3d5, Jackofhearts2005

Jackofhearts2005
Voters: DrWilgy, ChopChop

Rej(5)
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, KZA, falcon45ca, Marmot, MacDougall

staypositivefriend
Voters: DaughterOfOmega

TonyStarkPrime
Voters: BoKnows

Not Voting:Daisy, Poison, Kyle

DAY 2 FINAL:

Spoiler: show

ChopChop(4)
Voters: Kylemii, TonyStarkPrime, Alison, Sloonei

MacDougall
Voters: Epignosis

Rej(11)
Voters: KZA, Spacedaisy, MartinGG99, Marmot, Urist, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, MacDougall, Long Con, Jackofhearts2005, Grogu, staypositivefriend


Sloonei
Voters: ChopChop

Not Voting: Dom, Poison, Rej, Omega

DAY 3 FINAL:

Spoiler: show

ChopChop (5)
Voters: Made, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Alison, TonyStarkPrime, KZA

Made (7)
Voters: MartinGG99, Long Con, Kylemii, Jackofhearts2005, MacDougall, Sloonei, Marmot

KZA
Voters: ChopChop

MacDougall
Voters: Dom, Grogu, Epignosis

NOT VOTING:
Voters: Urist, Poison, Daisy

First thoughts, I'll sleep on it and come up with more.

Day 1 count seems to support the claim that either enclave is holding back or are just not present. Still, I think one of those three light greens on Bo is probably enclave just by balance of probability. The Rej wagon looks damning for Marmot for similar reasons-- everyone else looks good and I'd expect one of something. But the all gone team has some appeal, and VC might be spread thin. Maybe only 2-3 members at start.

Day 2, hard to look at. Not enough intrigue. Too much Rej voting. A bad look for Kyle no matter Chop's alignment. We also lose all track of what VC is doing at this point, but my bold read from all three days is Dom VC, just from this.

Day 3: We've already gone over. I think it's a bad look for Chop on net -- it's hard to construct teams when chop is town, assuming the wolf team had a basic idea of what was going on. Not getting the sense they did. In which case, okay, anything's possible. Poison is at least a wolf option in most worlds with chop town or wolf.

Mostly nothing new.

[TonyStarkPrime]

is it just me or does the dark theme like make everything wide and bad

[TonyStarkPrime]

and the font colors aren't consistent

[MacDougall]

I still don't understand why there were 0 enclave voters on the chop wagon yesterday if chop is enclave.

Unless the entire enclave team decided to just vote Mac and hope nobody reads the vote count.

Made, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Alison, TonyStarkPrime, KZA
DaughterOfOmega

So you know that TSP, Nanook and KZA are not enclave how?

Also Made was voting there.

Or is it that you meant to say made wagon in which case

MartinGG99, Long Con, Kylemii, Jackofhearts2005, MacDougall, Sloonei, Marmot
Dom

So you know LC, Kyle, Jack, Mac, Marmot and Dom are not enclave how?

None of what you just said makes sense wot.

KZA is flipped town.

Nanook red checked a flipped enclave.

If ChopChop is enclave then TSP is not enclave because they've been fighting way too harshly to be buddies.

Look this is all kinda reasonable I guess

[MacDougall]

The thing that disturbs me about this game is the number of players I'd be ok voting off right now.

What's even more disturbing is that I'm not one of them

[MacDougall]

I don't have a red check exactly. But I am like 70% sure it equates to a red check. And if you add Grogu's feels to it then...

What are you claiming?

I am a 1 shot claim checker. I checked your claim and it was fake.

[MacDougall]

I thought maybe you were softing some sort of weird investigative role.
Like how can you be 70%?
Tracker?

Here’s my actions:
N1: Daisy - Message
N2: No One
N3: Sloon - Message

If you ever tracked me, these should be your results for the equivalent nights.

what about the other part of your role?

[MacDougall]

@ChopChop you have hard claimed this role ay?

Luke

You command the Brotherhood outpost located at the NCR capital city. You're regarded with some suspicion by the locals who don't understand the importance of the Brotherhood mission.

You're a 2-shot messenger. One of your chief duties is to keep the Brotherhood command to the south appraised of NCR social and technological development. Twice during the game during any separate night phases, you may craft a personal message to be sent to a player you select through the host. The message can be anything.

Separately, you are a 1-shot faction spy. You keep a close eye on the NCR Rangers and their conflict with the Slavers to aid in your own mission. Once during the game during any night phase, you may select a player. You will be told whether or not that player has ever targeted the Slaver during any previous night phase.

Yes I only have Faction Spy left.
Ya target Alison by any chance?

I already told you that I did

[MacDougall]

though honestly that's so crazy that it might be real

yeah it probably is and I probably just misinterpreted something

my bad

[MacDougall]

so that means TSP is mafia

[MacDougall]

So Mac and Grogu are both saying they think ChopChop is scum for raisins, but they won't talk about those raisins, and we're going to believe them? Am I understanding this situation correctly?

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

Why are you voting for someone that you don't want to vote off?

[MacDougall]

TSP is seriously very mafia in this game though.

[Marmot]

So Mac and Grogu are both saying they think ChopChop is scum for raisins, but they won't talk about those raisins, and we're going to believe them? Am I understanding this situation correctly?

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

Why are you voting for someone that you don't want to vote off?

Because I'm confused.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

What alignment is that

I don't want to dig through them all to find it tbh

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I don't understand what you're claiming Joe or if you're actually claiming anything but that may have something to do with the sleep deprivation

[MacDougall]

I don't understand what you're claiming Joe or if you're actually claiming anything but that may have something to do with the sleep deprivation

I retract it at any rate

[Long Con]

We're almost there.

[Long Con]

That post was not for this game sorry.

[Dom]

did choppy ever end up sending a second message? lol

He says to sloonei

my interactions with doom / made kind of confirm me as nonclave though

That post was not for this game sorry.

What was it for?

[VOTE: Chop] aubergine

[Long Con]

Other game in progress.

[Urist]

Oh I figured out who you are

Hi ds

Nope, I’m a guy that you decided to 1V1 in the game where you choose your 1V1’s because it is 4 Town Versus 3 Mafia.

Oh yeah I remember that game

Hi seth

Oh nooooooooooo

[Dom]

Other game in progress.

Gotcha.

[Dom]

I don't know the case against Tony. Is it all counter claim-y to the chop stuff?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Oh I figured out who you are

Hi ds

Nope, I’m a guy that you decided to 1V1 in the game where you choose your 1V1’s because it is 4 Town Versus 3 Mafia.

Oh yeah I remember that game

Hi seth

Oh nooooooooooo

I did say we were among royalty so I'm gonna say I was half correct

[Gavial]

I don't have a red check exactly. But I am like 70% sure it equates to a red check. And if you add Grogu's feels to it then...

What are you claiming?

I am a 1 shot claim checker. I checked your claim and it was fake.

Thought that might have been what your claiming but
I didn’t see that role in any of the rolecards.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I don't have a red check exactly. But I am like 70% sure it equates to a red check. And if you add Grogu's feels to it then...

What are you claiming?

I am a 1 shot claim checker. I checked your claim and it was fake.

though honestly that's so crazy that it might be real

yeah it probably is and I probably just misinterpreted something

my bad

Mind blown.

[Gavial]

So Mac and Grogu are both saying they think ChopChop is scum for raisins, but they won't talk about those raisins, and we're going to believe them? Am I understanding this situation correctly?

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

Actually I am not sure anymore. I was trying something but chop chop didn’t panic there. He might actually be town I guess, this game is hard.
Mac prob scum still. Not sure they are teamed

Oh no, you were quite confident.
“100%”
Why don’t you spit it out!