Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[Dyslexicon]

Can anyone make an even decent looking case anyone here is mafia?

[Long Con]

No, what’s the rush?

Oh, what did you mean by "lock it soon" then?

[Long Con]

Can anyone make an even decent looking case anyone here is mafia?

Maybe we should gather the reasons for townreading each player, and try to break those reasons down.

[Dyslexicon]

No, what’s the rush?

Oh, what did you mean by "lock it soon" then?

If it’s one mafia it pretty much can’t be anyone but Hyena or Syn, I think? Unless totally crazy scenarios.

[Dyslexicon]

WAAAIT! What night did Ted switch himself with Michelle?

[Dyslexicon]

Wait, never mind. It was N5?

[Justplayingitcool]

Wait, never mind. It was N5?

n5

[Dyslexicon]

@Syn When you steal roles that died, do you also get the bargain abilities?

[Dyslexicon]

I wonder if there’s a really obvious answer to the Wilgy mystery that just don’t see.

[Michelle]

I wonder if there’s a really obvious answer to the Wilgy mystery that just don’t see.

I tinfoiled you because I didn't find the answer at the mistery of that night
Idk why the idea of me playing in town meta came to you so late, and your Poe of today looked agenda-y
It's not hard to be paranoid... i still am

[Kylemii]

[VOTE: juststealingiscool] aubergine

[Michelle]

So i will stick with my promise for Syn and target him, is everyone ok with this?

[Justplayingitcool]

So i will stick with my promise for Syn and target him, is everyone ok with this?

I am ok with it, I suppose.

@Syn - please make sure you leave a legacy

[Justplayingitcool]

personally would rather you diverted the yeet to hyena tbh, but I will leave it up to the rest of the folks

[Kylemii]

Bong Undertale

[Justplayingitcool]

that was traumatic

[Syn]

@Syn When you steal roles that died, do you also get the bargain abilities?

no

which is why I said I have no value to the endgame

the remaining roles are useless and I've done basically nothing the past nights except troll Tim

[Syn]

So i will stick with my promise for Syn and target him, is everyone ok with this?

I am ok with it, I suppose.

@Syn - please make sure you leave a legacy

cheese sauces are disgusting and should be banned

[Syn]

@Syn When you steal roles that died, do you also get the bargain abilities?

no

which is why I said I have no value to the endgame

the remaining roles are useless and I've done basically nothing the past nights except troll Tim

wait has any bargainees even died to the chop

maybe?

guess I should ask

lol brb

[Justplayingitcool]

@Syn When you steal roles that died, do you also get the bargain abilities?

no

which is why I said I have no value to the endgame

the remaining roles are useless and I've done basically nothing the past nights except troll Tim

wait has any bargainees even died to the chop

maybe?

guess I should ask

lol brb

Ted + 112 i think were bargainees?

[Syn]

oh in that case I just sent a useless PM

if I was able to use their demon abilities, I definitely wasn't told of it

[Kylemii]

wouldn't it be cool if like the gambit demon was fake the whole time lol

like alison was just mafia and all her targets were just pretending to have gambit demon stuff like "wooooooo watch me steal" "I've got a roleblock " and it was just like ALL imaginary

[Syn]

that would not be cool at all KYLE THE ABILITY THIEF

[Dyslexicon]

I wonder if there’s a really obvious answer to the Wilgy mystery that just don’t see.

I tinfoiled you because I didn't find the answer at the mistery of that night
Idk why the idea of me playing in town meta came to you so late, and your Poe of today looked agenda-y
It's not hard to be paranoid... i still am

It’s not my fault that Wilgy got that result. I have no more to so with that than you. He targeted you.

Also, the idea of you playing town meta did not just come now. I actually thought that most of the game, thought yours are probably the posts I’ve read the least of because I just sponged reads on you in thread. I did this because that usually works as I think several people know how to read you.

As the options got fewer, I did consider you since no mech cleared you. I guess you could call me agenda-y at the start of this day, but that is a pure town agenda. My agenda was 1. I was able to clear jpic and 2. I knew your role and really wanted to see if I could catch you in a lie or if you would tell the truth. This is the most I’ve interacted with you all game, and after that and reflecting on both your role and our interactions and how you’ve played, I concluded that I think you are heavily in town meta and that your role also reflects well on you. But I’m not born with that perspective, I have to get there. Which I’ve worked to do. I’ve had an agenda today and ended up clearing two people with reasons and the mech available to me. That is simply town motivated, and I really don’t think that should be hard to see.

[Dyslexicon]

I’m pretty interested to hear what everyone think the strongest argument for them being town is. I’ll lay out my own.

Also interested to hear who people think I should block.

[Kylemii]

someday when everyone's completely forgotten about this game, in 30 years i'm going to replicate the exact circumstances of this game as mafia and sweep

[Dyslexicon]

wouldn't it be cool if like the gambit demon was fake the whole time lol

like alison was just mafia and all her targets were just pretending to have gambit demon stuff like "wooooooo watch me steal" "I've got a roleblock " and it was just like ALL imaginary

Lol. Play of the century. But I really do have a block.

[Syn]

I’m pretty interested to hear what everyone think the strongest argument for them being town is. I’ll lay out my own.

Also interested to hear who people think I should block.

the strongest argument for me being town will be the flip in 5 hours

[Justplayingitcool]

wouldn't it be cool if like the gambit demon was fake the whole time lol

like alison was just mafia and all her targets were just pretending to have gambit demon stuff like "wooooooo watch me steal" "I've got a roleblock " and it was just like ALL imaginary

Lol. Play of the century. But I really do have a block.

Can confirm. I was the poor victim of it.

[Kylemii]

wouldn't it be cool if like the gambit demon was fake the whole time lol

like alison was just mafia and all her targets were just pretending to have gambit demon stuff like "wooooooo watch me steal" "I've got a roleblock " and it was just like ALL imaginary

Lol. Play of the century. But I really do have a block.

yes and i too also definitely have a role thief ability ;););) no doubt no problem nothing to see here folks

[Dyslexicon]

@Syn When you steal roles that died, do you also get the bargain abilities?

no

which is why I said I have no value to the endgame

the remaining roles are useless and I've done basically nothing the past nights except troll Tim

Ah, I see. Was thinking if we could still use your role, but nvm then

[Dyslexicon]

I’m pretty interested to hear what everyone think the strongest argument for them being town is. I’ll lay out my own.

Also interested to hear who people think I should block.

the strongest argument for me being town will be the flip in 5 hours

I’m jealous.

[Syn]

@Syn When you steal roles that died, do you also get the bargain abilities?

no

which is why I said I have no value to the endgame

the remaining roles are useless and I've done basically nothing the past nights except troll Tim

ok yeah this is confirmed now

original roles only

[Dyslexicon]

Apart from just being obv town the most concrete reason based on facts in the thread is this:

For me to be scum you would have to believe that
- I have a 1-shot super protect role as mafia. This role is confirmed via Wilgy.
- I used that 1-shot protect on Nutella, confirmed town and likely to be a target N3. It’s confirmed that I did this via Martin, since his actions was half disrupted. Only my action could have done that.
- If your argument then is “you targeted Nut to gain town cred”, then that is impossible. I would not know at all that my role would interact with Martin in the way it did and thus be able to confirm that I targeted Nut indeed. That was pure coincidence.
- I claimed my role partly immediately when Martin explained what had happened to his actions. I did this because I knew this meant Martin was telling the truth and it cleared him for me. Martin was getting heat in the thread at that time and I outed my info only to back up Martin who I strongly believed to be town. I would have absolutely no incentive or need to do that as mafia, but every incentive to do it as town. (We also know some mafia tried to go for Martin as an easy target, which was in fact one of the things that ticked me off about Sloonei, who I felt should know better.
- Today I’ve come in with info that I believe clears two players reasonably (jpic and Michelle). I gave Michelle the opportunity to lie (if mafia) or tell the truth. She chose neither, but I feel she could’ve used her role to kill our outed cop or something at an earlier point in any case, and I’ve liked her handling of it. Jpic can only be mafia with someone who did the kill instead of him. Very very unlikely imo.
- I came up with a plan that would actually lock the game in a win AND give us control over Alison while at the same time allowing her to win if she is telling the full truth. Turns out it doesn’t work because mafia can holster (rip), but the intent should be clear.

If anyone cares. Actually they should. And explain around it if they still want to “scum read” me. That I’ve seen three people mention I’m top suspect is abysmal. I’m a pretty likely NK target because of the block if game doesn’t end. I would like to plan who I block with the whole of town, but I can’t because of this new plan. Would still like opinions on who I should block.

[Dyslexicon]

@Syn When you steal roles that died, do you also get the bargain abilities?

ok yeah this is confirmed now

original roles only

Got it.

[Dyslexicon]

It would actually help me for people to go through any mech or important points for them being town. I’d appreciate it.

[Justplayingitcool]

Apart from just being obv town the most concrete reason based on facts in the thread is this:

For me to be scum you would have to believe that
- I have a 1-shot super protect role as mafia. This role is confirmed via Wilgy.
- I used that 1-shot protect on Nutella, confirmed town and likely to be a target N3. It’s confirmed that I did this via Martin, since his actions was half disrupted. Only my action could have done that.
- If your argument then is “you targeted Nut to gain town cred”, then that is impossible. I would not know at all that my role would interact with Martin in the way it did and thus be able to confirm that I targeted Nut indeed. That was pure coincidence.
- I claimed my role partly immediately when Martin explained what had happened to his actions. I did this because I knew this meant Martin was telling the truth and it cleared him for me. Martin was getting heat in the thread at that time and I outed my info only to back up Martin who I strongly believed to be town. I would have absolutely no incentive or need to do that as mafia, but every incentive to do it as town. (We also know some mafia tried to go for Martin as an easy target, which was in fact one of the things that ticked me off about Sloonei, who I felt should know better.
- Today I’ve come in with info that I believe clears two players reasonably (jpic and Michelle). I gave Michelle the opportunity to lie (if mafia) or tell the truth. She chose neither, but I feel she could’ve used her role to kill our outed cop or something at an earlier point in any case, and I’ve liked her handling of it. Jpic can only be mafia with someone who did the kill instead of him. Very very unlikely imo.
- I came up with a plan that would actually lock the game in a win AND give us control over Alison while at the same time allowing her to win if she is telling the full truth. Turns out it doesn’t work because mafia can holster (rip), but the intent should be clear.

If anyone cares. Actually they should. And explain around it if they still want to “scum read” me. That I’ve seen three people mention I’m top suspect is abysmal. I’m a pretty likely NK target because of the block if game doesn’t end. I would like to plan who I block with the whole of town, but I can’t because of this new plan. Would still like opinions on who I should block.

You should block someone unexpected

[Syn]

inb4 LC gets blocked and Dizzy says "wow there really must be a redirector" :zany-face:

[Syn]

i'm just fucking with you

or am I

[Dyslexicon]

inb4 LC gets blocked and Dizzy says "wow there really must be a redirector" :zany-face:

Guuuurl

[Justplayingitcool]

It would actually help me for people to go through any mech or important points for them being town. I’d appreciate it.

- I was tracked not killing n4 (i think). This proves my ability is a non-visiting role
- I was role blocked last night, and the kill still went through. The only way I can be mafia is if there is more than one left. I don't think that's the case because of how towny every one else is (at least from my perspective), and I think 7 mafia is a lot, plus two 3ps (assuming alison is indeed 3p).
- I was jailed n2 and the kill went through.
- I claimed being sent a song n2.
- when kyle hinted at who he should shoot, I suggested nanook

that's all i can think of from top of my head.

[Syn]

It would actually help me for people to go through any mech or important points for them being town. I’d appreciate it.

- I was tracked not killing n4 (i think). This proves my ability is a non-visiting role
- I was role blocked last night, and the kill still went through. The only way I can be mafia is if there is more than one left. I don't think that's the case because of how towny every one else is (at least from my perspective), and I think 7 mafia is a lot, plus two 3ps (assuming alison is indeed 3p).
- I was jailed n2 and the kill went through.
- I claimed being sent a song n2.
- when kyle hinted at who he should shoot, I suggested nanook

that's all i can think of from top of my head.

this unironically is helpful because I've forgotten every single detail of this and was just kinda taking it for granted that you were cleared for some reason

[Dyslexicon]

@tutuu @Kylemii @Hyena @Michelle @Long Con @Justplayingitcool Why are you town?

[Justplayingitcool]

dizzy please

[Kylemii]

- when kyle hinted at who he should shoot, I suggested nanook

this is an interesting point that might be worth revisiting for other people too... a few people mentioned nanook

[Dyslexicon]

It would actually help me for people to go through any mech or important points for them being town. I’d appreciate it.

- I was tracked not killing n4 (i think). This proves my ability is a non-visiting role
- I was role blocked last night, and the kill still went through. The only way I can be mafia is if there is more than one left. I don't think that's the case because of how towny every one else is (at least from my perspective), and I think 7 mafia is a lot, plus two 3ps (assuming alison is indeed 3p).
- I was jailed n2 and the kill went through.
- I claimed being sent a song n2.
- when kyle hinted at who he should shoot, I suggested nanook

that's all i can think of from top of my head.

[Dyslexicon]

dizzy please

Something happened in between =p

[Syn]

maybe it's hyena

[Syn]

doesn't change the plan for today but y'know

d10

[Justplayingitcool]

maybe it's hyena

Somebody should look at sloonei's case against hyena d1 and see how quickly he drops it

i cba tbh