Magic the Gathering Mafia - Game Over - Mafia has won!

[Jackofhearts2005]

Actually, yeah, that shit does look pretty pockety.

[MacDougall]

@Kylemii @Epignosis @Made Why are y'all on Falcon? Like I really really don't think he's a hit.

I've said why.

Why am I wrong?

The lack of barbed insult is a scumtell

[MacDougall]

Can people stop worrying about the damn mana? Everyone is going to do what they want to with it anyway.

If your discussion does nothing to help you get a sense if the person you are talking to is trying to banish you to the Spine of the World, what are you having it for?

The mana discussion is part of the reason I am voting Made. You're being theatrically obstinate, why?

wolfy probably

No. I specifically said "if your discussion..."

LC claims his discussion with Made helped him form an opinion on Made. Therefore what I said didn't apply to him.

I'm tired of reading post after post about mana this and mana that when I'm trying to destroy evildoers.

Bullshit detector reads 5 alarm fire

[tedxtr]

[VOTE: Epignosis ] aubergine

trust in tha mac

[MacDougall]

falcon is pretty obviously town and he's been getting scum read by people for the worst reasons

What are some of these worst reasons?

mostly people having minor problems with some of his reads when not paying attention to everything else he's doing that is towny

I have reflected on falcon's posts.

Most of his opinions are dubious and shoddy. The logic in his posts is a stretch. Many of the posts are aggressive reactions that have little follow up. I mean no offense- that's my assessment.

Yet does any of that matter? No. The question I have to ask myself is, "Does Falcon really believe this stuff?"

And you know what? A part of me believes he does. That's enough to move on elsewhere, and besides that, the fact that Falcon clearly does not have a lid or a filter (in the sense that he's spitting out whatever comes to mind in the moment) makes Falcon a piss poor Day 1 vote at this stage.

I would argue ted is a bad Day 1 vote too.

For the same reason?

More so that ted's frustration sounds genuine in that he feels he's getting needlessly shat on early on when by his own admission he doesn't really get cooking until a little later.

I would not call ted a civilian at this stage, but I would call him a bad Day 1 lynch. I won't be voting there myself.

Only mafia talk like this

[tedxtr]

mac, you got any read on jpic?

also, reposting, what mana did you say you need?

also x2, given that mac is requesting mana we could proceed with my early plan and all of us should say what mana they need

[MacDougall]

Less than ten minutes to go. Has Falcon posted at all this hour?

Town Epi never talks like this.

[tedxtr]

and yeah, the quoted post is pretty wolfy (latest one on epi)

[tedxtr]

how's urist a wagon

just vote epi or jpic

[Epignosis]

I am still twelve pages behind, but I have demonstrated to Guillotine that I am not mafia.

[MacDougall]

DrWilgy is going to do random bullshit. It's fun. It's amusing. You are never going to catch him for it or in spite of it.

Why the fuck did Made get lynched?

Gross. Gross.

[Marmot]

[MacDougall]

I am still twelve pages behind, but I have demonstrated to Guillotine that I am not mafia.

Not quite. You may have demonstrated to someone that didn't need it that you are willing to give them additional mana.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

[MacDougall]

it can't be as easy as Ted/Dunya/Wiggles tho, can it? Like that's just too easy

Why is dunya there, and why do you only have three names calling it "too easy?"

Epi has made a tactical decision to defend Dunya from day 1 for no particularly obvious reason. Dunya hasn't been anywhere near as towny here as she is capable of. Epi has an agenda.

[falcon45ca]

I guess it takes Mac to push my Epi read for others to take notice

[Epignosis]

Keep it up Mac.

[Marmot]

I guess it takes Mac to push my Epi read for others to take notice

He is supposed to be a mafia god afterall.

[MacDougall]

The back half of Epi's ISO looks more like town Epi but I dont particularly care. It's almost like an entirely different player started posting. L

[Epignosis]

My workday isn't over. I still have stuff to do.

I'm not mafia. Make a better decision.

[MacDougall]

Keep it up Mac.

Nah I'm done now.

Got legacy?

[MacDougall]

My workday isn't over. I still have stuff to do.

I'm not mafia. Make a better decision.

Sure. Give me someone not named Falcon you'd die wanting dead.

[tedxtr]

mac, you got any read on jpic?

also, reposting, what mana did you say you need?

also x2, given that mac is requesting mana we could proceed with my early plan and all of us should say what mana they need

[MacDougall]

Falcon are you gonna vote Epi or nah?

[hollowkatt]

I dunno what you want from me. I think his play D1 with regards to mana generation is wolfy, and I think it's weird how he's not trying to solve all that hard today while being on the hot seat when he said he'd do good work if he lived through D1. He hasn't been exactly slanking, but like when I'm town and on the hot seat like that I tend to go into overdrive and just churn out posts, reads, and pushes and really get down in the trenches with the people I wolf read.

so i'm a wolf because i am not playing like you would as a town in this situation

No, you're a wolf b/c you're not doing the thing you said you'd do if we didn't chop you D1.

[MacDougall]

mac, you got any read on jpic?

also, reposting, what mana did you say you need?

also x2, given that mac is requesting mana we could proceed with my early plan and all of us should say what mana they need

No I haven't read JPIC yet.

I need 1 red 2 meh.

[falcon45ca]

Falcon are you gonna vote Epi or nah?

I'm more than comfortable with an Epi lynch.


[VOTE: VOTE EPIGNOSIS] aubergine

[MacDougall]

JPIC is probably town just off a gamestate read tho.

[tedxtr]

I dunno what you want from me. I think his play D1 with regards to mana generation is wolfy, and I think it's weird how he's not trying to solve all that hard today while being on the hot seat when he said he'd do good work if he lived through D1. He hasn't been exactly slanking, but like when I'm town and on the hot seat like that I tend to go into overdrive and just churn out posts, reads, and pushes and really get down in the trenches with the people I wolf read.

so i'm a wolf because i am not playing like you would as a town in this situation

No, you're a wolf b/c you're not doing the thing you said you'd do if we didn't chop you D1.

i did do stuff

[Marmot]

JPIC is probably town just off a gamestate read tho.

Go read his iso, or at least today's.

[Epignosis]

If you believe I am mafia, explain this exchange:

I gave you six mana.

Do you really think mafia did that?

I dont think anyone has the capacity to give more than 3 mana at a time, so you must be lying. Why are you fake claiming giving me 6 mana?

You know you got six mana.

How am I lying?

Is anyone going to claim that they gave you mana and I didn't give you six?

If I am lying, why would I do that?

I claimed to have received 6 mana ages ago, i assume it came from two different people.

But ok. Besides red mana, what other color did you send me?

Blue.

Im red and black. Your gesture is appreciated but it was useless and put me in danger for PtF. Don't do it again.

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

You were never in danger of PtF. That's why I sent it to you.

But I understand your concern.

You are a civilian henceforth.

[Enrique]

I’m gonna [VOTE: falcon] aubergine btw.

Quick points before I settle down somehwere:
* Dunya brought up his vig claim. Where I’m at in my catch up he only brought it up as a joke (“I’ll kill you!” posts are classic ultraviolence-era Enrique-core), but I see that more recently he talked about damaging someone. I’m completely unconvinced.
* I talked about him being chaotic earlier. There was an entire page early on that was just him and Kyle discussing whether Kyle’s hotter than dunya. Then he decided Kyle wasn’t his friend for being too silly. It’s fairly minor but leaves a bad taste.
* I don’t want to lynch Ted or Urist. Epignosis I don’t really have an opinion on (I mostly remember two posts by him - one seemed really civ, it was maybe his first one, pointing out the silliness of falcon town-reading LC for reading the rules). If anyone I think JPIC is the better non-falcon option but his posts are pretty much nothing.
* Ted-three-lands-gate is a fake scandal (ik some of my town reads also pushed it but I still don’t like it).
* Is generally just all over the place. Some people he distrusts too easily, some he trusts for no apparent reason. His thought process is very hard for me to follow and I don’t think it’s organic.
* Super early on I thought he was really pushing for Jack and Bolas (separately) to each reveal their role. I actually have this as two separate notes and just noticed the connection. As far as I can tell he hasn’t been doing more of this since neither of them elaborated and faded into the background.

[MacDougall]

Oh Made is alive again?

[112]

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

trying this...

[Enrique]

And yeah I really don’t think the mafia just went and gave somebody 6 mana unless they were teammates lol.

[tedxtr]

you could have a role that gives fake mana for the town cred, dunno.

although 6 mana seems like too overpowered for it lol

[MacDougall]

If you believe I am mafia, explain this exchange:

I dont think anyone has the capacity to give more than 3 mana at a time, so you must be lying. Why are you fake claiming giving me 6 mana?

You know you got six mana.

How am I lying?

Is anyone going to claim that they gave you mana and I didn't give you six?

If I am lying, why would I do that?

I claimed to have received 6 mana ages ago, i assume it came from two different people.

But ok. Besides red mana, what other color did you send me?

Blue.

Im red and black. Your gesture is appreciated but it was useless and put me in danger for PtF. Don't do it again.

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

You were never in danger of PtF. That's why I sent it to you.

But I understand your concern.

You are a civilian henceforth.

My explanation is lame.

[MacDougall]

Forget what I said about Epi.

[tedxtr]

[VOTE: jpic ] aubergine

[MacDougall]

Is Made an inno child?

[MacDougall]

I think I solved it.

LC/Dunya/112.

[hollowkatt]

@falcon45ca

Can we learn we’re both town and yeet someone not cuddly rodent shaped?

Why do you think Marmot is town? I'm sus of him this RD, based off his criticism of 112 for voting the same wagon that 112's scum reads (Marmot & Epi) were voting.


Thing is, both Marmot & Epi were ALSO voting the same wagon as one of their scum reads....me. I've quoted Marmot recently pointing out this hypocrisy...crickets.


Marmot also declined to give a read on my ISO despite being asked several times last RD, and only did so much later when my wagon got some traction.

My perception of today's gamestate is that town players are starting to find each other and establish a towncore. I could be wrong, but a number of players that I townread yesterday still hold that status in my mind today, and not only that, they're seeing it in each other. Epi/Guillo. Jack/HK. Myself/Jack. Dunya/Wilgy.

I'll admit I could be very wrong about any number of them, but I don't think today's the day that happens.


If that is what's happening, that would mean my perception that the outliers sewing discord among those players are the mafia. JPIC and falcon are two players who imo are doing that today.

What does this mean? Sounds like you're hedging a bit, and what do you mean "don't think today's the day that happens"? How on earth is a TP this confident in their reads?


What discord am I sewing amongst the players today?

These seem good? I think?

[MacDougall]

welcome @112 im red peeked by the dr. what do u think?

well if you're redpeeked we should definitely chop you without evaluating

This is a w/w interaction imo.

[hollowkatt]

My perception of today's gamestate is that town players are starting to find each other and establish a towncore. I could be wrong, but a number of players that I townread yesterday still hold that status in my mind today, and not only that, they're seeing it in each other. Epi/Guillo. Jack/HK. Myself/Jack. Dunya/Wilgy.

I'll admit I could be very wrong about any number of them, but I don't think today's the day that happens.


If that is what's happening, that would mean my perception that the outliers sewing discord among those players are the mafia. JPIC and falcon are two players who imo are doing that today.

What does this mean? Sounds like you're hedging a bit, and what do you mean "don't think today's the day that happens"? How on earth is a TP this confident in their reads?


What discord am I sewing amongst the players today?

I'm confident in the POE that I've established, and until it's proved inaccurate, I don't feel the need reconsider my strong townreads.


But to answer your question, it's posts like this. Instead of asking me to clarify or something like that, you're saying that I'm hedging and imo framing my post in a negative light and discrediting me.

I can see where Falcon gets to hedging. I don't think it's wolfy hedging though if that makes sense.

[Marmot]

I’m gonna [VOTE: falcon] aubergine btw.

Quick points before I settle down somehwere:
* Dunya brought up his vig claim. Where I’m at in my catch up he only brought it up as a joke (“I’ll kill you!” posts are classic ultraviolence-era Enrique-core), but I see that more recently he talked about damaging someone. I’m completely unconvinced.
* I talked about him being chaotic earlier. There was an entire page early on that was just him and Kyle discussing whether Kyle’s hotter than dunya. Then he decided Kyle wasn’t his friend for being too silly. It’s fairly minor but leaves a bad taste.
* I don’t want to lynch Ted or Urist. Epignosis I don’t really have an opinion on (I mostly remember two posts by him - one seemed really civ, it was maybe his first one, pointing out the silliness of falcon town-reading LC for reading the rules). If anyone I think JPIC is the better non-falcon option but his posts are pretty much nothing.
* Ted-three-lands-gate is a fake scandal (ik some of my town reads also pushed it but I still don’t like it).
* Is generally just all over the place. Some people he distrusts too easily, some he trusts for no apparent reason. His thought process is very hard for me to follow and I don’t think it’s organic.
* Super early on I thought he was really pushing for Jack and Bolas (separately) to each reveal their role. I actually have this as two separate notes and just noticed the connection. As far as I can tell he hasn’t been doing more of this since neither of them elaborated and faded into the background.

I don't remember that, but I got similar vibes in this post.

Epi, why would you give Guillo 6 mana? Was there a post he made that led you to believe he needed mana?

[MacDougall]

I just iso skimmed everyone. My brain is working decent today and I could sense authenticity in almost everyone except LC (and Epi).

[hollowkatt]

My perception of today's gamestate is that town players are starting to find each other and establish a towncore. I could be wrong, but a number of players that I townread yesterday still hold that status in my mind today, and not only that, they're seeing it in each other. Epi/Guillo. Jack/HK. Myself/Jack. Dunya/Wilgy.

I'll admit I could be very wrong about any number of them, but I don't think today's the day that happens.


If that is what's happening, that would mean my perception that the outliers sewing discord among those players are the mafia. JPIC and falcon are two players who imo are doing that today.

Sewing discord for scumreading you? ok pal

What do you think of my townreads? Do you disagree?

I only townread the following: Jack & HK. maybe guillo is slightly town, i guess

the rest are either null or scum

Hi there, sure is a comfy pocket you've got

[tedxtr]

i could vote for 112 if not just for the cheeky thing on me that they never came back to

[MacDougall]

So if I am right zero mafia have votes on them atm. Which also makes sense.

[falcon45ca]

I guess it takes Mac to push my Epi read for others to take notice

He is supposed to be a mafia god afterall.

Are you saying you agree with the read?