Bee Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Quin]

Seanzie, why do you think BK is scum?

BK didn't understand the post I originally made, which is understandable since BK wasn't in the first game. He then said he initially thought it was mudslinging. Maybe this was a throwaway thought by town, or maybe this was him as scum seeing a weird post and trying to be opportunistic, using it to subtly shade me. Looking back at the post, I really don't see any way it slings mud, and so I am still confused how Town!BK could have come to that thought. When pressed for how he came to that thought, he couldn't give anything, he dodged the question, and only a day later was he able to give any sort of explanation for why he mentioned mudslinging in the first place, and the explanation was not great imo. I'm not convinced he is scum, but this doesn't look good on his part.

You do realize that your post was weird out of context, right? Context BK doesn't have

I actually haven't read the back and forth much because I assumed it was just BK not having that context but I'll look

Yes, I do. And I specifically didn't initially answer BK about the context to see what he would say about why he saw it as mudslinging. If he would have said something like "I just didn't understand it, and so kind of assumed it would have some scum motive behind it", then that would have satisfied me then and there probably, but he didn't do that. He mentioned mudslinging, but then looked uncomfortable when pressed about that.

i think you and BK are teammates. your reasoning to lynch BK is so much easier to understand than your reasoning to lynch alison. yet at the time of this post BK isn't receiving your vote.

[Quin]

finger town

fingersplints has one post. why do you like fingersplints?

this post is good if Fingersplints is town

Otherwise not much to say about this ISO. Slightly towny and considering the ISO's I went through just barely that's enough to never go there today

who's ISO? mine or fingersplints's?

[Quin]

isn't a gish someone who specializes in both swords and magic

hey kyle, the fog of love of my life, give me some content i can understand

[Quin]

that finger is comfortable. I thought they were new, though. If they've played an okay amount of mafia their posts are generally uninspiring though still very lightly >rand v

They apparently know LC from some indeterminate amount of time ago. I don't think they are new.

fingersplints is OG syndicate but hasn't played actively in while. i'm not worried about her being comfortable.

[Quin]

Nanook has zero posts which are towny and zero reads which are good. Probably worth killing if we don't want to just yeet into a no poster today

show me which posts are specifically not good.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nanook has zero posts which are towny and zero reads which are good. Probably worth killing if we don't want to just yeet into a no poster today

I think i have a lot of good reads and believe fully in them

I have also been mega townie to the point of being near-confirmed town tbh

[Quin]

@Seanzie what's your Falcon read

I thought he looked very abrasive at the start. I thought he asked a few good questions, but also seemed awkward about it, and remember initially thinking about if he was scum. I don't remember anything from him after I became focused on BK though. I'd have to ISO him or reread to say anything else.

Also, its my birthday!

...

i don't want to lynch someone on their birthday.

[Quin]

also, happy birthday.

[Quin]

@BoKnows
@c4e5g3d5
@falcon45ca
@fingersplints
@MartinGG99
@Quin
@Ratrug
@ts account

I am mandating that you vote someone when you see this

Most preferably within

"BoKnows
Falcon
Ratrun
TS account

Nanook if you're feeling spicy"

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I love you quin

[falcon45ca]

Nanook has zero posts which are towny and zero reads which are good. Probably worth killing if we don't want to just yeet into a no poster today

I think i have a lot of good reads and believe fully in them

I have also been mega townie to the point of being near-confirmed town tbh

Hubris is not a townie trait

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nanook has zero posts which are towny and zero reads which are good. Probably worth killing if we don't want to just yeet into a no poster today

I think i have a lot of good reads and believe fully in them

I have also been mega townie to the point of being near-confirmed town tbh

Hubris is not a townie trait

I'm just stating objective fact

[Quin]

seanzie is right that many of alison's reads are reliant on her read on him, which is an unusual amount of confidence for of a day 1 read. if alison is mafia and seanzie town, alison benefits from this by putting in work that ends up not mattering nor pushing the game forward, needing to be redone.

seanzie's point's about alison possibly lucking into a correct scumread on the people she's connected him to due to her read on him, seems inconsistent with the idea that seanzie also suspects alison

i've seen town (myself included) throw out entire team reads this early. i'm sure in all our experience playing together you've seen it too.

do you think alison doing the same is scum indicative in this game?

[falcon45ca]

BK probably scum. I feel somewhat guilty for getting him lynched as TP recently for the same things, but he's def in his scum meta.


[VOTE: VOTE BK] aubergine

[Quin]

@Seanzie do suspect esooa

A little bit, but not a lot. She was one of the first people to start suspecting me, and I thought her reasons were valid enough given early game, but I remember waffling for a bit about her over something. Later on, she was looking very towny trying to consolidate things, but her 4-person PoE seems... easy. Not scum-indicative persay, but two lurkers, BK and Falcon isn't exactly the hardest PoE to put together for scum. I like that she is pushing for votes, and while I'm not happy about her voting me for non-conformity, my vote on her is more calling her bluff and partially in jest than anything else right now (that may change, but I did kind of hint that my vote isn't locked there).

it's like BK and Alison don't exist.

[Quin]

okay I found it
so kyle gets to be town that means kyle/seanzie/c4 town core for now
kind of feeling the alison vote, kind of wanting to self vote because lolEsooa

please elaborate on literally every single part of this post

[falcon45ca]

Nanook has zero posts which are towny and zero reads which are good. Probably worth killing if we don't want to just yeet into a no poster today

I think i have a lot of good reads and believe fully in them

I have also been mega townie to the point of being near-confirmed town tbh

Hubris is not a townie trait

I'm just stating objective fact

Oh, well that changes everything

[Quin]

Sorry, let me clarify,

Why do you believe in me?

my PhD is in mislynch bait and alison is treating you like a deer stand

cool beans. c4 and kyle though.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Also hubris may or may not be a desirable trait, but it most certainly is a townie one. Town loses games to hubris all the time

[Quin]

do we have to lynch in alison/seanzie? Seems really stupid js

we don't.

go on.

[falcon45ca]

Also hubris may or may not be a desirable trait, but it most certainly is a townie one. Town loses games to hubris all the time

If town loses the game TO hubris, that would mean it's not a townie trait.

[falcon45ca]

Why is Ratrug self voting? Pretty reactionary response to Alison's shade

[Quin]

Have some takes I want to sleep on. Be back tomorrow.

you told seanzie you didn't want to create a thunderdome or whatever, but he did it anyway. like, im actually kinda sick of reading your name in the thread at this point.

i don't like the suicide bombing thingn either, but i don't believe scum does this. do you believe scum does this?

[Kylemii]

Seanzie SRing Alison for not doing enough while Kyle TRs her for posting is hilarious

i mean i bet part of it is that the posts i like of hers are specifically targetting seanzie

which posts are these and why?

i was referring to the posts immediately following my vote for alison in which she immediately started popping off

isn't a gish someone who specializes in both swords and magic

hey kyle, the fog of love of my life, give me some content i can understand

i will never do that <3

seanzie is right that many of alison's reads are reliant on her read on him, which is an unusual amount of confidence for of a day 1 read. if alison is mafia and seanzie town, alison benefits from this by putting in work that ends up not mattering nor pushing the game forward, needing to be redone.

seanzie's point's about alison possibly lucking into a correct scumread on the people she's connected him to due to her read on him, seems inconsistent with the idea that seanzie also suspects alison

i've seen town (myself included) throw out entire team reads this early. i'm sure in all our experience playing together you've seen it too.

do you think alison doing the same is scum indicative in this game?

i don't think it's necessarily alignment indicative at all, i was just trying to see it from seanzie's point of view because they asked me to. wbu?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Also hubris may or may not be a desirable trait, but it most certainly is a townie one. Town loses games to hubris all the time

If town loses the game TO hubris, that would mean it's not a townie trait.

It may not be a POSITIVE trait but it's still a town trait

[Alison]

Good afternoon. I currently read Seanzie as town. If that is true then c4, fingersplints, ts account and Quin all look good. I am currently looking at the following options: BK, falcon, Ratrug.

BK makes sense because he has wolf equity regardless of Sean's alignment and has generally uninspiring posting.

falcon makes sense because he is obvtown perhaps 80% of the time when he is town, and he is currently not obvtown. Furthermore, the wagon on him is afaict extremely pure.

Ratrug makes sense because every post he makes is trash and he only comes in to defend himself and doesn't see to care a single bit about solving the game.

After laying these reasons out I am inclined to desire falcon/Ratrug competing wagons.

[fingersplints]

I’m unfamiliar with some of the lingo so can someone define:

NPC
PoE
Al
(TO) hubris

Talk to me like I’m your 80 year old grandma

Thank you

[Esooa]

finger town

fingersplints has one post. why do you like fingersplints?

this post is good if Fingersplints is town

Otherwise not much to say about this ISO. Slightly towny and considering the ISO's I went through just barely that's enough to never go there today

who's ISO? mine or fingersplints's?

yours

[Alison]

I’m unfamiliar with some of the lingo so can someone define:

NPC
PoE
Al
(TO) hubris

Talk to me like I’m your 80 year old grandma

Thank you

NPC - a character in a video game. Static, lifeless, repeats the same lines over and over.
POE - process of elimination. If your POE has three people in it, it means you want those three dead and believe if they all died the game would be solved.
AI - alignment indicative. NAI means not alignment indicative
hubris - overconfidence

[fingersplints]

falcon makes sense because he is obvtown perhaps 80% of the time when he is town, and he is currently not obvtown. Furthermore, the wagon on him is afaict extremely pure.

I find it interesting you find the wagon on him pure, because it feels weird to me. However I don’t have any real read on falcon, just the reasons for the wagon feel off, so I find their lynch a better option than the Seanzie one who I think i think is town.

[Quin]

myself I think there's room for seanzie to be trying to navigate to a scenario where they can stumble into an alison town read but alison's refusal to interact is forcing them into the tunnel? It's just kind of a lot of theater for something that ultimately ends in self destruction either way so I'm inclined to believe seanzie's real

Thank you for being a voice of reason here. If I am wrong about Alison, I would love to know that, because it isn't good for town for me to continue this 1v1 if I am wrong here. She is refusing to interact with me though, which is extremely anti-town, and idk what to do with that other than assume I'm right that she is scum.

there is a difference between saying 'i am not going to answer these questions because...' and not interacting with you.

as an aside, just about everything i've read in the seanzie v alison thing has been from your posts. i don't have the time to review it from alison's.

i'm not voting for either of you today.

to be honest, i'm just looking for an excuse not to lynch the birthday boy. please say things that aren't about alison tonight.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Hubris is the fatal flaw that felled Caesar (that and a shit ton of knives)

[Esooa]

Good afternoon. I currently read Seanzie as town. If that is true then c4, fingersplints, ts account and Quin all look good. I am currently looking at the following options: BK, falcon, Ratrug.

BK makes sense because he has wolf equity regardless of Sean's alignment and has generally uninspiring posting.

falcon makes sense because he is obvtown perhaps 80% of the time when he is town, and he is currently not obvtown. Furthermore, the wagon on him is afaict extremely pure.

Ratrug makes sense because every post he makes is trash and he only comes in to defend himself and doesn't see to care a single bit about solving the game.

After laying these reasons out I am inclined to desire falcon/Ratrug competing wagons.

I agree completely with these wagons, though not so much that BK is scum

[Kylemii]

Yeah I don't care about talking to people who I'm 1v1ing. I don't bother pressing them about their reads or trying to figure out their thought process because guess what, the mod is going to reveal their alignment for me one way or the other.

If the other people in the thread have any concerns about my fingersplints read they can express it themselves.

wait is this really how you play? you just decide something is true and then wait to find out if you're right after they're dead?

[Quin]

Martin can I have a quick readslist please?

GTH off the top of my head

LC town
BK town
Seanzie lean town
Alison lean town
Finger lean town
Kyle null
Nanook town
TS lean town
Esooa null -
Falcon scum
Quin null
Ratrug null -
C4 null -

Those with dashes I haven't really thought about or looked at yet.

esooa and i both have enough posts for you to sort us one way or another. maybe c4 too. please do that.

[Alison]

falcon makes sense because he is obvtown perhaps 80% of the time when he is town, and he is currently not obvtown. Furthermore, the wagon on him is afaict extremely pure.

I find it interesting you find the wagon on him pure, because it feels weird to me. However I don’t have any real read on falcon, just the reasons for the wagon feel off, so I find their lynch a better option than the Seanzie one who I think i think is town.

Seanzie probably is town he just acts scummy and anti town. The good news is that all his drum banging has helped me get a decent read on a few slots.

[fingersplints]

Thank you very much for the answers Alison. I took a while trying to figure them out. I looked at one of the read lists earlier and thought the w was 2 v’s like extra townie I’m learning the terms. Funny how the lingo changes over time/from different sites

[Alison]

falcon makes sense because he is obvtown perhaps 80% of the time when he is town, and he is currently not obvtown. Furthermore, the wagon on him is afaict extremely pure.

I find it interesting you find the wagon on him pure, because it feels weird to me. However I don’t have any real read on falcon, just the reasons for the wagon feel off, so I find their lynch a better option than the Seanzie one who I think i think is town.

Which of the people voting falcon don't you trust?

[c4e5g3d5]

Aliison is town.

[c4e5g3d5]

Thank you very much for the answers Alison. I took a while trying to figure them out. I looked at one of the read lists earlier and thought the w was 2 v’s like extra townie I’m learning the terms. Funny how the lingo changes over time/from different sites

My role PM says I'm an extra townie

[Quin]

People don't care because they don't believe it's AI and think I could make that read on fingersplints either way. They're also well aware that I can adequately back up my read any time I want regardless of my alignment. The people in the thread who have responded to your little soapbox generally prioritize thread health and not gumming up the thread with 10000 walls of text that won't convince anyone over random nitpicks. If you're going to talk about anti-town you should know that you're being the most anti-town person in the entire thread right now. I'm refusing to interact with what you're saying because I'm convinced that it's the best strategy, if you don't like it then too bad.

i just want seanzie to know that the posse of mafia players alison claims to have behind her on this doesn't exist and he should not feel threatened by it.

[Alison]

He should definitely feel threatened by it, every time he feels threatened he spews 4 people town from their reactions to it.

[Quin]

Please elaborate on your Falcon read.

He doesn't seem to have similar reads as I do, such as town-reading BK as he has questioned me on that, and he seemingly scum-reads LC.

Also they haven't voted. Additionally, the LC reasons I've mentioned earlier.

Why am I a town lean?

This D1 thing pings me as being slightly reminiscent of Overtime Mafia, though I could be misremembering as its been awhile.

Additionally, nothing by you has pinged me as scummy. I also kinda feel like scum you would not get into a tunnel d1 very swiftly without first interacting with others, but that may be a part of how I generalize scums.

alison doesn't strike me as the one in the tunnel.

[c4e5g3d5]

I don't get the falcon and Bo cases at all. Afaict they're both for being slightly underwhelming. Still like Bo's early posting for effort pure smth smth. Someone tell me what I'm missing.

[fingersplints]

falcon makes sense because he is obvtown perhaps 80% of the time when he is town, and he is currently not obvtown. Furthermore, the wagon on him is afaict extremely pure.

I find it interesting you find the wagon on him pure, because it feels weird to me. However I don’t have any real read on falcon, just the reasons for the wagon feel off, so I find their lynch a better option than the Seanzie one who I think i think is town.

Which of the people voting falcon don't you trust?

Mostly ts account, because the reason given was “because LC did” and I just find that an easy excuse to hide behind. They wouldn’t have to claim any accountability for the lynch if Falcon is town, or if Falcon is mafia and potential teammate it could be an easy way of early distancing without adding much traction to the vote. Those scenarios both assuming ts account is mafia in them, however his response to me later felt more genuine.

[Seanzie]

He should definitely feel threatened by it, every time he feels threatened he spews 4 people town from their reactions to it.

I find it funny that you call me antitown then talk about how much what I am doing is helping town.

[Quin]

He should definitely feel threatened by it, every time he feels threatened he spews 4 people town from their reactions to it.

like, i'm hoping your strategy is more of a "lets push seanzie to his most genuine point" thing with this whole confirmation bias thing but if you're not then this whole thing sucks and i want to go home

[fingersplints]

Thank you very much for the answers Alison. I took a while trying to figure them out. I looked at one of the read lists earlier and thought the w was 2 v’s like extra townie I’m learning the terms. Funny how the lingo changes over time/from different sites

My role PM says I'm an extra townie

We found the queen bee

[Quin]

Not to mention how we seemingly have different thought patterns and you always seem to get a correct read on me, and so I hope one day I might be able to do the same if we're on opposing alignments when I'm town.

So it kinda adds to this feel of "if you're scum, I would know it" idea.

Pretty townie thought.

no

[Alison]

[VOTE: Ratrug] aubergine

ISO has 6 posts. Naked bee claim, beetlejuice, self defense + shading me, "I haven't read anything" + self vote, self defense, either a NAI meta question or an attempt at casting shade.

No townie posts. No attempt at solving.