Bee Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Esooa]

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME is scummy for "sheeping" lcs vote on me then completely neglecting lc or other players voting falcon to continue his shit read and etc

[fingersplints]

Went into Mikey's ISO thinking there would be more clearing material than I actually found. Huh.

Who is Mikey? I don’t know if this was elaborated on before they were killed at night

[Alison]

Seanzie’s reactions during the day really felt like town. If they were acting, then well done I totally bought it. Felt really genuine to me

It's why I shifted to a townread of him near the end, and is a point in his favor. I have to weigh all the evidence though and there's other stuff that points towards Seanzie.

I recall nook saying Seanzie was scum D1 but not voting him, and getting offended when I said he was scum with Seanzie. Could see a nook/Seanzie team based on that.

[Seanzie]

I think it's very possible seanzie is scum and didn't want to vote in my poe I gave him and instead put a trash vote on me because two of his teammates were in my poe

which would be falcon/nanook imo

Didn't you have BK in your POE? Wouldn't wolf Seanzie just vote BK since he was telegraphing a BK scumread anyway?

I mean, I did vote BK. My Esooa vote was never particularly serious as I indicated when I made it.

[Alison]

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME is scummy for "sheeping" lcs vote on me then completely neglecting lc or other players voting falcon to continue his shit read and etc

This is true. His good interactions with falcon (the hubris stuff) are probably the weakest clear I've had based off falcon spew.

would not mind moving nook to bottom POE, he's sort of borderline.

[Alison]

Went into Mikey's ISO thinking there would be more clearing material than I actually found. Huh.

Who is Mikey? I don’t know if this was elaborated on before they were killed at night

ts account.

In ordinary circumstances I would actually use this post as a reason to scumread ts account, since the one person who doubted the consensus townread on that slot was killed (over anyone on the falcon wagon, even).

But, hm, let's say that ts account/Mikey has a strong and well established meta of not bussing partners. I don't think it's within his scum range to be the first vote on falcon and hold it through the whole day until falcon dies.

[fingersplints]

Seanzie’s reactions during the day really felt like town. If they were acting, then well done I totally bought it. Felt really genuine to me

It's why I shifted to a townread of him near the end, and is a point in his favor. I have to weigh all the evidence though and there's other stuff that points towards Seanzie.

I recall nook saying Seanzie was scum D1 but not voting him, and getting offended when I said he was scum with Seanzie. Could see a nook/Seanzie team based on that.

If Seanzie has fooled us and is mafia then it could make sense why they were focusing on you so much (and throwing my name out there in the process as well). Attempt to shift attention off team suspicion. Perhaps they didn’t think the line of questioning would look as bad for them as it did.

[fingersplints]

Went into Mikey's ISO thinking there would be more clearing material than I actually found. Huh.

Who is Mikey? I don’t know if this was elaborated on before they were killed at night

ts account.

In ordinary circumstances I would actually use this post as a reason to scumread ts account, since the one person who doubted the consensus townread on that slot was killed (over anyone on the falcon wagon, even).

But, hm, let's say that ts account/Mikey has a strong and well established meta of not bussing partners. I don't think it's within his scum range to be the first vote on falcon and hold it through the whole day until falcon dies.

Ts account again lol that is really interesting as it is the one I felt worst about yesterday. But I just said I was going to put that all on hold for the time being, and I did mean that. I think we have enough other suspects to look at who are “more likely”
I still have suspicion there though. I don’t know how they play at all to feel confident it isn’t something that would be done. And tbh when everyone thinks you wouldn’t vote a teammate early is the best time to vote a teammate early. I wouldn’t put moves like that past anyone in this game.

[Alison]

Seanzie who are your suspects?

[Alison]

Ts account again lol that is really interesting as it is the one I felt worst about yesterday. But I just said I was going to put that all on hold for the time being, and I did mean that. I think we have enough other suspects to look at who are “more likely”
I still have suspicion there though. I don’t know how they play at all to feel confident it isn’t something that would be done. And tbh when everyone thinks you wouldn’t vote a teammate early is the best time to vote a teammate early. I wouldn’t put moves like that past anyone in this game.

Ok, let me be more direct. They have a trust tell of not voting their partners as mafia.

[Kylemii]

is "I don't respond well to peer pressure" a saying somewhere or like a reference or something

[Alison]

Esooa, why does a nanook team leave you alive?

[Esooa]

Esooa, why does a nanook team leave you alive?

idk why any team kills c4

[Seanzie]

Seanzie who are your suspects?

I haven't ISO'd Falcon yet, so not much has changed for me since EoD yesterday. I was suspicious of BK, you, and to a lesser degree LC. Considering that Falcon ended up on BK rather than Esooa or Ratrug though bodes well for BK, so I am thinking about am BarKing up the wrong tree there. Your analysis today looks okay, so I am also not super concerned with you anymore. Once I read Falcon's ISO, I'll let you know more thoughts.

[Kylemii]

falcon and seanzie both independently used the phrase "don't respond 'well' to peer pressure" and it's been bothering me cus that's like.... that's nothing right. is it an anime thing

[Esooa]

Seanzie who are your suspects?

I haven't ISO'd Falcon yet, so not much has changed for me since EoD yesterday. I was suspicious of BK, you, and to a lesser degree LC. Considering that Falcon ended up on BK rather than Esooa or Ratrug though bodes well for BK, so I am thinking about am BarKing up the wrong tree there. Your analysis today looks okay, so I am also not super concerned with you anymore. Once I read Falcon's ISO, I'll let you know more thoughts.

and you don't mention lc votes falcon early? I mean idk

this post sounds pretty scummy but okay iso falcon or whatever

[Seanzie]

Seanzie who are your suspects?

I haven't ISO'd Falcon yet, so not much has changed for me since EoD yesterday. I was suspicious of BK, you, and to a lesser degree LC. Considering that Falcon ended up on BK rather than Esooa or Ratrug though bodes well for BK, so I am thinking about am BarKing up the wrong tree there. Your analysis today looks okay, so I am also not super concerned with you anymore. Once I read Falcon's ISO, I'll let you know more thoughts.

and you don't mention lc votes falcon early? I mean idk

this post sounds pretty scummy but okay iso falcon or whatever

I didn't even remember that LC voted Falcon, so I couldn't have mentioned it.

[Long Con]

Lots of great legwork being done out here already. Alison, you are a mafia machine. I was probably going to vote Seanzie anyway, in that I like Alison's conclusions and observations, and Seanzie shading me just now makes it a lot easier.

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

Also, I looked back at my reasons for voting falcon during the night, and I thought that stuff looked pretty towny on me as well. So that felt nice.

[Seanzie]

Lots of great legwork being done out here already. Alison, you are a mafia machine. I was probably going to vote Seanzie anyway, in that I like Alison's conclusions and observations, and Seanzie shading me just now makes it a lot easier.

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

Also, I looked back at my reasons for voting falcon during the night, and I thought that stuff looked pretty towny on me as well. So that felt nice.

How am I shading you? I didn't say anything about you, other than you were someone I suspected yesterday.

[Long Con]

so not much has changed for me since EoD yesterday. I was suspicious of BK, you, and to a lesser degree LC

This means you still suspect me, because not much has changed.

[fingersplints]

falcon and seanzie both independently used the phrase "don't respond 'well' to peer pressure" and it's been bothering me cus that's like.... that's nothing right. is it an anime thing

I don’t know

Just wanted someone to answer you

[Alison]

LC buried falcon 6 feet into the ground while falcon was doing everything he can to shade LC.

LC is an innocent child.

[Kylemii]

falcon and seanzie both independently used the phrase "don't respond 'well' to peer pressure" and it's been bothering me cus that's like.... that's nothing right. is it an anime thing

I don’t know

Just wanted someone to answer you

i'm not going to push this because it's dumb and circumstantial and there's obviously more important stuff happening but also

what if

[Seanzie]

so not much has changed for me since EoD yesterday. I was suspicious of BK, you, and to a lesser degree LC

This means you still suspect me, because not much has changed.

Yeah but I'm pretty clearly taking my suspicions from yesterday with a big grain of salt since none of it includes an analysis of Falcon's or C4's flips. I answered the question I was asked, nothing more, nothing else.

[fingersplints]

I agree it looks like Seanzie is shading LC

Seanzie who are your suspects?

I haven't ISO'd Falcon yet, so not much has changed for me since EoD yesterday. I was suspicious of BK, you, and to a lesser degree LC. Considering that Falcon ended up on BK rather than Esooa or Ratrug though bodes well for BK, so I am thinking about am BarKing up the wrong tree there. Your analysis today looks okay, so I am also not super concerned with you anymore. Once I read Falcon's ISO, I'll let you know more thoughts.

and you don't mention lc votes falcon early? I mean idk

this post sounds pretty scummy but okay iso falcon or whatever

I didn't even remember that LC voted Falcon, so I couldn't have mentioned it.

Bk + Alison + LC - bk (“barking up wrong tree”) - Alison (agreeing with today) = only LC left

What was your suspicion of LC yesterday if it had nothing to do with voting? I don’t remember much else LC talked about

[fingersplints]

falcon and seanzie both independently used the phrase "don't respond 'well' to peer pressure" and it's been bothering me cus that's like.... that's nothing right. is it an anime thing

I don’t know

Just wanted someone to answer you

i'm not going to push this because it's dumb and circumstantial and there's obviously more important stuff happening but also

what if

I understand. Mafia makes us all paranoid about “dumb and circumstantial” stuff from time to time.

[Kylemii]

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

[Long Con]

so not much has changed for me since EoD yesterday. I was suspicious of BK, you, and to a lesser degree LC

This means you still suspect me, because not much has changed.

Yeah but I'm pretty clearly taking my suspicions from yesterday with a big grain of salt since none of it includes an analysis of Falcon's or C4's flips. I answered the question I was asked, nothing more, nothing else.

That's reasonable.

Did you know that "barking up the wrong tree" is a classic mafia tell around here? Honestly, not joking. I never ever say it anymore for that reason. I'm very interested to see if it holds up in this game.

[Seanzie]

I agree it looks like Seanzie is shading LC

Seanzie who are your suspects?

I haven't ISO'd Falcon yet, so not much has changed for me since EoD yesterday. I was suspicious of BK, you, and to a lesser degree LC. Considering that Falcon ended up on BK rather than Esooa or Ratrug though bodes well for BK, so I am thinking about am BarKing up the wrong tree there. Your analysis today looks okay, so I am also not super concerned with you anymore. Once I read Falcon's ISO, I'll let you know more thoughts.

and you don't mention lc votes falcon early? I mean idk

this post sounds pretty scummy but okay iso falcon or whatever

I didn't even remember that LC voted Falcon, so I couldn't have mentioned it.

Bk + Alison + LC - bk (“barking up wrong tree”) - Alison (agreeing with today) = only LC left

What was your suspicion of LC yesterday if it had nothing to do with voting? I don’t remember much else LC talked about

LC seemed scared to jokingly openwolf with me, which I thought maybe indicated he was worried about attracting attention. He also had a pretty weird push on me with the "calm my qualms" scumread. I had some tinfoil that maybe LC and Alison were wolfs together and had me in their sights, but I don't really think this anymore.

[Seanzie]

so not much has changed for me since EoD yesterday. I was suspicious of BK, you, and to a lesser degree LC

This means you still suspect me, because not much has changed.

Yeah but I'm pretty clearly taking my suspicions from yesterday with a big grain of salt since none of it includes an analysis of Falcon's or C4's flips. I answered the question I was asked, nothing more, nothing else.

That's reasonable.

Did you know that "barking up the wrong tree" is a classic mafia tell around here? Honestly, not joking. I never ever say it anymore for that reason. I'm very interested to see if it holds up in this game.

I get accused of classic mafia tells about twice a game every game it seems. If it isn't mentioning coffee, or saying the word "weird", it's "barking up the wrong tree" apprently. Oh well.

[Seanzie]

so not much has changed for me since EoD yesterday. I was suspicious of BK, you, and to a lesser degree LC

This means you still suspect me, because not much has changed.

Yeah but I'm pretty clearly taking my suspicions from yesterday with a big grain of salt since none of it includes an analysis of Falcon's or C4's flips. I answered the question I was asked, nothing more, nothing else.

That's reasonable.

Did you know that "barking up the wrong tree" is a classic mafia tell around here? Honestly, not joking. I never ever say it anymore for that reason. I'm very interested to see if it holds up in this game.

I get accused of classic mafia tells about twice a game every game it seems. If it isn't mentioning coffee, or saying the word "weird", it's "barking up the wrong tree" apprently. Oh well.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Good job guys I knew we'd get it right

[Seanzie]

Okay, Falcon's ISO was way shorter than I thought it was going to be, so idk why I didn't just read it yesterday after the flip.

Takeaways: First, Falcon talks a lot to Kyle and LC, and very little to anyone else. I see now what people were saying about LC, it looks like Falcon is trying to shade LC for most of the day. Similarly, I think Falcon wanted to shade BK, probably due to the interactions BK and I had early in the day. I'd guess LC and BK are both not teamed with Falcon. Kyle is also probably not, but this I am less confident than LC or BK.

Martin mentions that BK looks towny, and Falcon seems to try to change Martin's mind, and that interaction looks like Falcon is trying to manipulate a towny rather than talking to a teammate, so I think that is a point for Martin.

Someone said Falcon/Nanook interactions looked good for Nook I think, but I disagree. I could easily see the "hubris" conversation being an attempt at distancing. It looks like Falcon and Nook are disagreeing, but almost no actual shade is being thrown around (I mean, Falcon says hubris is not a townie trait, but more-or-less clarifies that it is a trait that is anti-town for a towny to have, NOT that townies don't have the trait). I

Falcon's last post is about Ratrug self voting. Kind of a tinfoil, but I wonder if this is not Falcon getting upset that an afk teammate has a vote in a place that makes it so that Falcon can't save himself. Granted, Ratrug ended up not voting, so I'm not sure this makes sense.

Falcon had 0 interactions with Quin or FingerSplints. Not sure what that means. If you told me one of those two was a wolf though, I would lean towards Quin GTH.

Based just on Falcon's ISO, I'd put the game at something like this:

LC
BK

Martin
Kyle

Everyone else

Ratrug

Nanook

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

The more relevant reason to TR me is that I actively defended him instead of bussing

[Esooa]

The more relevant reason to TR me is that I actively defended him instead of bussing

nah

[Alison]

The more relevant reason to TR me is that I actively defended him instead of bussing

Why's this a reason to TR you? Falcon wasn't a goner, he could still have been saved.

[Alison]

finger town

fingersplints has one post. why do you like fingersplints?

falcon made a very similar post.

Not sure how to interpret this, just noting it down.

[Alison]

I presuming you mean me with "he", because I don't think BK was wrapping anything in appealing words.

i mean BK. for that whole exchange he's talking about 'motives' and 'suspicions' but never in a way that's actually meaningful.

Quin sets forward a pretty clear scumread/shade of BK. Not a good look because this is the same line falcon was pushing and I'm pretty sure BK is town.

[Alison]

You wanna know why I'm not bothering to respond to your points? Because I don't need to defend myself against you. You're scummy and everyone knows it. You're trying to bait me into a long drawn out anti town thunderdome, but what you don't understand is that I have no reason to bite. Right now you are butt naked pants on head neon sign flashing mafia, which means I don't have to listen to a word you say, just bury you. Even if you somehow convince the town that I am mafia and get me exed I know this player list well enough to know that you're most likely a goner afterwards, and 1 for 1 with enough evidence to expose your whole team afterwards is a perfectly fine trade in my book.

Would you bet your life on me being mafia? Because I am okay with that. Flip me today, if Alison is okay being flipped tomorrow after I turn up town.

and my townread just went down the proverbial. it's day 1. nobody is going to take you up on this offer. offering to lynch yourself provides nothing of value and only serves to lure in sympathy.

If Seanzie is scum, he asked people to exe him as a performative move to get townread.

Quin dismantles that narrative. Quin is not scum with Seanzie.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

The more relevant reason to TR me is that I actively defended him instead of bussing

Why's this a reason to TR you? Falcon wasn't a goner, he could still have been saved.

I very rarely openly and actively defend partners

[Alison]

do we have to lynch in alison/seanzie? Seems really stupid js

we don't.

go on.

Up until this post, Quin has expressed fairly harsh suspicion of Seanzie, both the post about garnering sympathy above as well as a later post where they argue that Seanzie and BK are wolves together. Yet they seem to believe that Seanzie should not be exed here.

@Quin Can you elaborate on this post a little more?

[Alison]

there is a difference between saying 'i am not going to answer these questions because...' and not interacting with you.

as an aside, just about everything i've read in the seanzie v alison thing has been from your posts. i don't have the time to review it from alison's.

i'm not voting for either of you today.

to be honest, i'm just looking for an excuse not to lynch the birthday boy. please say things that aren't about alison tonight.

Pretty weak reason to avoid voting for someone you were harsh on earlier.

[Seanzie]

The more relevant reason to TR me is that I actively defended him instead of bussing

You didn't actively defend him. You made one post where you said you thought he was town, and then just didn't vote there. You ended up on a wagon that at the time of your vote was the leading counterwagon, and since Falcon wasn't exactly losing by a lot, and you were afk hours before EoD, Idk if you would have bussed in this situation since Falcon was reasonably savable here, and you bussing while afk would make him very much not savable. 0 town points for Nook.

[Alison]

You wanna know why I'm not bothering to respond to your points? Because I don't need to defend myself against you. You're scummy and everyone knows it. You're trying to bait me into a long drawn out anti town thunderdome, but what you don't understand is that I have no reason to bite. Right now you are butt naked pants on head neon sign flashing mafia, which means I don't have to listen to a word you say, just bury you. Even if you somehow convince the town that I am mafia and get me exed I know this player list well enough to know that you're most likely a goner afterwards, and 1 for 1 with enough evidence to expose your whole team afterwards is a perfectly fine trade in my book.

Would you bet your life on me being mafia? Because I am okay with that. Flip me today, if Alison is okay being flipped tomorrow after I turn up town.

and my townread just went down the proverbial. it's day 1. nobody is going to take you up on this offer. offering to lynch yourself provides nothing of value and only serves to lure in sympathy.

Have some takes I want to sleep on. Be back tomorrow.

you told seanzie you didn't want to create a thunderdome or whatever, but he did it anyway. like, im actually kinda sick of reading your name in the thread at this point.

i don't like the suicide bombing thingn either, but i don't believe scum does this. do you believe scum does this?

Kindly elaborate on your progression here. You start from throwing away your Seanzie townread because he asked to be exed, and then later on said that it was a towntell.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

The more relevant reason to TR me is that I actively defended him instead of bussing

You didn't actively defend him. You made one post where you said you thought he was town, and then just didn't vote there. You ended up on a wagon that at the time of your vote was the leading counterwagon, and since Falcon wasn't exactly losing by a lot, and you were afk hours before EoD, Idk if you would have bussed in this situation since Falcon was reasonably savable here, and you bussing while afk would make him very much not savable. 0 town points for Nook.

I was explicitly and openly looking for wagons to save him dude

[Alison]

Not to mention how we seemingly have different thought patterns and you always seem to get a correct read on me, and so I hope one day I might be able to do the same if we're on opposing alignments when I'm town.

So it kinda adds to this feel of "if you're scum, I would know it" idea.

Pretty townie thought.

no

Martin and Mikey (ts account) are probably town.

i would like to know more about ts. to me, he's done the bare minimum.

Quin is not a fan of me clearing Martin and Mikey. I am pretty sure that both slots are just town - they buried a wolf D1 and neither are the kind to hard bus early. Not a good look for Quin.

[Alison]

okay it's 5:20 and i am still awake and that makes me sad so

i'm caught up.

i'm not voting for alison or seanzie until i've given them both proper reading.

nobody is even talking about falcon beyond meta reads and somehow he's the lead wagon. fuck that.

[VOTE: BK] aubergine because of things i have said early on.

Very bad look for Quin. Openly discredits the falcon wagon and then pushes the counterwagon that falcon was pushing (who is probably town).

I started out my ISO without any strong suspicions of Quin, but after reading through it knowing falcon's alignment, I'm inclined to believe that Quin is a strong candidate for falcon's teammate.

[Alison]

[Quin, Seanzie, Nanook, Ratrug]

I would tend towards believing both mafia are in this pool, and I would be seriously shocked if there wasn't at least one.

[Seanzie]

The more relevant reason to TR me is that I actively defended him instead of bussing

You didn't actively defend him. You made one post where you said you thought he was town, and then just didn't vote there. You ended up on a wagon that at the time of your vote was the leading counterwagon, and since Falcon wasn't exactly losing by a lot, and you were afk hours before EoD, Idk if you would have bussed in this situation since Falcon was reasonably savable here, and you bussing while afk would make him very much not savable. 0 town points for Nook.

I was explicitly and openly looking for wagons to save him dude

Okay, sure. I see a post now where you don't want to vote Ratrug because it would make Falcon more likely to die. The rest of your posts don't look like you're actively saving him, just trying to find a viable wagon that you feel good about (Of course, this does in effect help save him, but it isn't clear from your other posts that saving him was your main motivation). I'll think on this.

[Alison]

I kind of want to vote in Seanzie/Quin because I think there's clear evidence that they aren't wolves together so if one flips red the other gets green checked. I'm at the point where I'm just, like, all of these people are scummy as shit, I don't care which of them goes first, so maximizing the probability of a free green check is ideal.