Bee Mafia [GAME OVER]

[MartinGG99]

[VOTE: ts account] aubergine

pretty 4head vote considering I was on a wolf all day yesterday

Okay and?

and I'm town

Do you have anything to support this rather than parking your vote on scum when they were on the hot seat?

BK I think his vote parking was not w/w.

See before, if you haven't read it by the the time you read this:
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 00#p757057

[MartinGG99]

Gth I'm not really feeling the concept of deleting Quin here.

The tone or something for the day phase so far feels calm in a non-wolfy way. I would imagine them being more panicked here if they were w/w with Falcon.

Besides, I think Quin's concerns and reasons wrt to the Falcon wagon were valid. I don't know how long its been since they last played, but I would imagine if I found meta to be one of the main reasons a person is voting a wagon I would find it hella suspect. They don't really look bad to me and I have some difficulty seeing the arguments that they are a bad look.

Additionally, them interacting with kyle recently, a player whom I suppose they know from the past, kinda strikes me as town for how it was conducted under pressure.

[Alison]

The more relevant reason to TR me is that I actively defended him instead of bussing

Why's this a reason to TR you? Falcon wasn't a goner, he could still have been saved.

Idk if his voting or defending shows either way, assuming I read the VC history right then at the time he voted Esooa, BK had 2 votes and Esooa only had 1.

he could've put his vote on a higher wagon but didn't , and Esooa doesn't strike me as the sort of slot that gets commonly day 1'ed for elimination.

I cant make a confident determination about that aspect for him being towny or scummy so I'm going to avoid taking that into my reads for now.

Which means I think he's towny for his early-game sheep, and perhaps during that time he honestly believed Esooa was suspect more than BK and voted there. Its hard to tell though given his ISO barely mentions anything about BK.

A wolf hiding on a vanity wagon when the top two wagons are town and wolf is common. They don't want to contribute to the death of a teammate but they don't want to be caught pushing a town counterwagon to a wolf either, so they essentially no-vote by voting a vanity wagon that won't go anywhere, and pray the town wagon wins out (at which point they can lead the charge on everyone who was on that wagon).

[fingersplints]

[VOTE: vote ratrug] aubergine
Posts are seriously underwhelming. Please contribute to the discussion more.

I’m trying to make my mind up how I feel about the current lynch candidates. Good points have been made. I go back and forth. Logic is telling me one thing and gut feelings are telling me another.

[Long Con]

squirrel quarrel

[BoKnows]

Esooa, why does a nanook team leave you alive?

idk why any team kills c4

Maybe it was because they were in the process of re-evaluating their reads while being roughly town-read.

Which would lead them being unpredictable for day 2.

I can see a ratrug team killing c4 /shrug

Can you expand on this thought please?

[VOTE: ts account] aubergine

pretty 4head vote considering I was on a wolf all day yesterday

Okay and?

and I'm town

Do you have anything to support this rather than parking your vote on scum when they were on the hot seat?

BK I think his vote parking was not w/w.

See before, if you haven't read it by the the time you read this:
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 00#p757057

Good insight, I still don't want to completely disregard the possible w/w scenario.

[BoKnows]

squirrel quarrel

What are you thinking so far?

[BoKnows]

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

[BoKnows]

I just went through ratrugs iso. By the looks of it they townread kyle and voted for themselves. I don't see why a townie would vote for themselves at any point in the game.

[BoKnows]

[VOTE: ratrug] aubergine

[Long Con]

squirrel quarrel

What are you thinking so far?

Alison's analyses are still quite compelling. I am willing to sheep her at this point. I may be allowing myself to get a little lazy at this exact point in the game on that front. I usually get more analytically involved in the game on days 3-4, or if I am in the accusation spotlight in either alignment, and when I get townread I feel like I have done my duty in a way. Not ideal, not that respectable, but it's how it is. Maybe I could save a villager life by diving in and shining a light on an interaction no one has noticed or something, and maybe if I do that I'll save a wolf life. I'll exert my will upon this game after another yeet if we don't hit a wolf today.

Right now I'm starting a lazy Saturday of a weekend I've been looking forward to, and I was out late last night and smoked too much, which gave me a headache that is still lingering. I'm on my second cup of tea, and I made a home version of a sausage and egg McMuffin, and I'm going to see how it goes when I'm feeling a little more solid, maybe.

[Long Con]

I just went through ratrugs iso. By the looks of it they townread kyle and voted for themselves. I don't see why a townie would vote for themselves at any point in the game.

I'm not ready to condemn Ratrug yet.

[BoKnows]

squirrel quarrel

What are you thinking so far?

Alison's analyses are still quite compelling. I am willing to sheep her at this point. I may be allowing myself to get a little lazy at this exact point in the game on that front. I usually get more analytically involved in the game on days 3-4, or if I am in the accusation spotlight in either alignment, and when I get townread I feel like I have done my duty in a way. Not ideal, not that respectable, but it's how it is. Maybe I could save a villager life by diving in and shining a light on an interaction no one has noticed or something, and maybe if I do that I'll save a wolf life. I'll exert my will upon this game after another yeet if we don't hit a wolf today.

Right now I'm starting a lazy Saturday of a weekend I've been looking forward to, and I was out late last night and smoked too much, which gave me a headache that is still lingering. I'm on my second cup of tea, and I made a home version of a sausage and egg McMuffin, and I'm going to see how it goes when I'm feeling a little more solid, maybe.

Enjoy your morning. Now you got me craving a sausage farmers wrap.

I do agree with you on Alison, she has definitely been doing the most in my eyes.

[BoKnows]

I just went through ratrugs iso. By the looks of it they townread kyle and voted for themselves. I don't see why a townie would vote for themselves at any point in the game.

I'm not ready to condemn Ratrug yet.

Why? Out of the PoE that's starting to form who do you want to see flipped the most?

[BoKnows]

I feel bad. Told LC to enjoy the morning then I started questioning him again.

[Long Con]

I feel bad. Told LC to enjoy the morning then I started questioning him again.

You PEOPLE never let UP! GAWD!

I had started to respond that we don't need to do the low-poster yeet when there's slightly meatier interactions to hash out, then I looked at Ratrug's ISO and saw it wasn't quite as low as I had thought... still low, but there's gameplay there. I may have only skimmed half or so, but it didn't rocket Ratrug to the top of my ethereal yeet list. I think they will give us more content to work with, maybe, and that there are more compelling yeet targets on this day.

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: vote ratrug] aubergine
Posts are seriously underwhelming. Please contribute to the discussion more.

I’m trying to make my mind up how I feel about the current lynch candidates. Good points have been made. I go back and forth. Logic is telling me one thing and gut feelings are telling me another.

What are the things that logic is telling you, and what are the thinkgs that gut feelings are telling you?

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: vote ratrug] aubergine
Posts are seriously underwhelming. Please contribute to the discussion more.

I’m trying to make my mind up how I feel about the current lynch candidates. Good points have been made. I go back and forth. Logic is telling me one thing and gut feelings are telling me another.

What are the things that logic is telling you, and what are the thinkgs that gut feelings are telling you?

[BoKnows]

I feel bad. Told LC to enjoy the morning then I started questioning him again.

You PEOPLE never let UP! GAWD!

I had started to respond that we don't need to do the low-poster yeet when there's slightly meatier interactions to hash out, then I looked at Ratrug's ISO and saw it wasn't quite as low as I had thought... still low, but there's gameplay there. I may have only skimmed half or so, but it didn't rocket Ratrug to the top of my ethereal yeet list. I think they will give us more content to work with, maybe, and that there are more compelling yeet targets on this day.

Yeeting a low-poster is never a great idea, but at the same time we don't want to give a low poster a free pass to end game. When I read Rat's ISO nothing in there gave me the feeling of "Yeah this guy is town". But we also only have 14 posts to judge their alignment with... This is tough.

[Long Con]

I feel bad. Told LC to enjoy the morning then I started questioning him again.

You PEOPLE never let UP! GAWD!

I had started to respond that we don't need to do the low-poster yeet when there's slightly meatier interactions to hash out, then I looked at Ratrug's ISO and saw it wasn't quite as low as I had thought... still low, but there's gameplay there. I may have only skimmed half or so, but it didn't rocket Ratrug to the top of my ethereal yeet list. I think they will give us more content to work with, maybe, and that there are more compelling yeet targets on this day.

Yeeting a low-poster is never a great idea, but at the same time we don't want to give a low poster a free pass to end game. When I read Rat's ISO nothing in there gave me the feeling of "Yeah this guy is town". But we also only have 14 posts to judge their alignment with... This is tough.

He doesn't have a pass to endgame, he gets another day to make more posts to work with.

[BoKnows]

I can get behind a Day 3 expiry date. Unvote

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Sup

[Ratrug]

Why is Ratrug self voting? Pretty reactionary response to Alison's shade

This doesn't look teamed with Ratrug.

Maybe I'm wrong on Rat.

@Ratrug why did you not vote at the EOD? Why not self pres?

Self pres? I also just learned anti-spew today as well. I didn’t vote at the EOD because I was getting flak for my self vote. Even if I voted, would that have mad much of a difference though?

Okay, Falcon's ISO was way shorter than I thought it was going to be, so idk why I didn't just read it yesterday after the flip.

Takeaways: First, Falcon talks a lot to Kyle and LC, and very little to anyone else. I see now what people were saying about LC, it looks like Falcon is trying to shade LC for most of the day. Similarly, I think Falcon wanted to shade BK, probably due to the interactions BK and I had early in the day. I'd guess LC and BK are both not teamed with Falcon. Kyle is also probably not, but this I am less confident than LC or BK.

Martin mentions that BK looks towny, and Falcon seems to try to change Martin's mind, and that interaction looks like Falcon is trying to manipulate a towny rather than talking to a teammate, so I think that is a point for Martin.

Someone said Falcon/Nanook interactions looked good for Nook I think, but I disagree. I could easily see the "hubris" conversation being an attempt at distancing. It looks like Falcon and Nook are disagreeing, but almost no actual shade is being thrown around (I mean, Falcon says hubris is not a townie trait, but more-or-less clarifies that it is a trait that is anti-town for a towny to have, NOT that townies don't have the trait). I

Falcon's last post is about Ratrug self voting. Kind of a tinfoil, but I wonder if this is not Falcon getting upset that an afk teammate has a vote in a place that makes it so that Falcon can't save himself. Granted, Ratrug ended up not voting, so I'm not sure this makes sense.

Falcon had 0 interactions with Quin or FingerSplints. Not sure what that means. If you told me one of those two was a wolf though, I would lean towards Quin GTH.

Based just on Falcon's ISO, I'd put the game at something like this:

LC
BK

Martin
Kyle

Everyone else

Ratrug

Nanook

I think your reasoning on me is bad to be honest, seems like fence sitting to me. Plus, I don’t remember you have a scum opinion on me on Day 1 earlier, and I seem to be pretty high on your POE all of a sudden.

Considering it seemed like either me or Falcon yesterday, made sense for him to try and shade me to make me look bad. Who was the one who advocated for BK, and or me, more over Falcon?

[BoKnows]

Why is Ratrug self voting? Pretty reactionary response to Alison's shade

This doesn't look teamed with Ratrug.

Maybe I'm wrong on Rat.

@Ratrug why did you not vote at the EOD? Why not self pres?

Self pres? I also just learned anti-spew today as well. I didn’t vote at the EOD because I was getting flak for my self vote. Even if I voted, would that have mad much of a difference though?

Okay, Falcon's ISO was way shorter than I thought it was going to be, so idk why I didn't just read it yesterday after the flip.

Takeaways: First, Falcon talks a lot to Kyle and LC, and very little to anyone else. I see now what people were saying about LC, it looks like Falcon is trying to shade LC for most of the day. Similarly, I think Falcon wanted to shade BK, probably due to the interactions BK and I had early in the day. I'd guess LC and BK are both not teamed with Falcon. Kyle is also probably not, but this I am less confident than LC or BK.

Martin mentions that BK looks towny, and Falcon seems to try to change Martin's mind, and that interaction looks like Falcon is trying to manipulate a towny rather than talking to a teammate, so I think that is a point for Martin.

Someone said Falcon/Nanook interactions looked good for Nook I think, but I disagree. I could easily see the "hubris" conversation being an attempt at distancing. It looks like Falcon and Nook are disagreeing, but almost no actual shade is being thrown around (I mean, Falcon says hubris is not a townie trait, but more-or-less clarifies that it is a trait that is anti-town for a towny to have, NOT that townies don't have the trait). I

Falcon's last post is about Ratrug self voting. Kind of a tinfoil, but I wonder if this is not Falcon getting upset that an afk teammate has a vote in a place that makes it so that Falcon can't save himself. Granted, Ratrug ended up not voting, so I'm not sure this makes sense.

Falcon had 0 interactions with Quin or FingerSplints. Not sure what that means. If you told me one of those two was a wolf though, I would lean towards Quin GTH.

Based just on Falcon's ISO, I'd put the game at something like this:

LC
BK

Martin
Kyle

Everyone else

Ratrug

Nanook

I think your reasoning on me is bad to be honest, seems like fence sitting to me. Plus, I don’t remember you have a scum opinion on me on Day 1 earlier, and I seem to be pretty high on your POE all of a sudden.

Considering it seemed like either me or Falcon yesterday, made sense for him to try and shade me to make me look bad. Who was the one who advocated for BK, and or me, more over Falcon?

While you're here let me try to pick your brain a little bit.

Your top 3 town?
Out of Seanzie, and Quin who would you want to flip?

[Seanzie]

Why is Ratrug self voting? Pretty reactionary response to Alison's shade

This doesn't look teamed with Ratrug.

Maybe I'm wrong on Rat.

@Ratrug why did you not vote at the EOD? Why not self pres?

Self pres? I also just learned anti-spew today as well. I didn’t vote at the EOD because I was getting flak for my self vote. Even if I voted, would that have mad much of a difference though?

Okay, Falcon's ISO was way shorter than I thought it was going to be, so idk why I didn't just read it yesterday after the flip.

Takeaways: First, Falcon talks a lot to Kyle and LC, and very little to anyone else. I see now what people were saying about LC, it looks like Falcon is trying to shade LC for most of the day. Similarly, I think Falcon wanted to shade BK, probably due to the interactions BK and I had early in the day. I'd guess LC and BK are both not teamed with Falcon. Kyle is also probably not, but this I am less confident than LC or BK.

Martin mentions that BK looks towny, and Falcon seems to try to change Martin's mind, and that interaction looks like Falcon is trying to manipulate a towny rather than talking to a teammate, so I think that is a point for Martin.

Someone said Falcon/Nanook interactions looked good for Nook I think, but I disagree. I could easily see the "hubris" conversation being an attempt at distancing. It looks like Falcon and Nook are disagreeing, but almost no actual shade is being thrown around (I mean, Falcon says hubris is not a townie trait, but more-or-less clarifies that it is a trait that is anti-town for a towny to have, NOT that townies don't have the trait). I

Falcon's last post is about Ratrug self voting. Kind of a tinfoil, but I wonder if this is not Falcon getting upset that an afk teammate has a vote in a place that makes it so that Falcon can't save himself. Granted, Ratrug ended up not voting, so I'm not sure this makes sense.

Falcon had 0 interactions with Quin or FingerSplints. Not sure what that means. If you told me one of those two was a wolf though, I would lean towards Quin GTH.

Based just on Falcon's ISO, I'd put the game at something like this:

LC
BK

Martin
Kyle

Everyone else

Ratrug

Nanook

I think your reasoning on me is bad to be honest, seems like fence sitting to me. Plus, I don’t remember you have a scum opinion on me on Day 1 earlier, and I seem to be pretty high on your POE all of a sudden.

Considering it seemed like either me or Falcon yesterday, made sense for him to try and shade me to make me look bad. Who was the one who advocated for BK, and or me, more over Falcon?

That isn't my PoE, that is how I think people look based solely on Falcon's ISO. If there is any evidence of teaming in Falcon's ISO, I think it points to either you or Nook. I'm not sold on these things, which is why you are barely even orange, not a deep red. Someone said Falcon's post about you paints you as anti-teamed, but I disagree.

I didn't have a scum read on you D1, and I don't really remember having much opinion about you at all since you haven't posted much content. Again, this is a sorting of players based on Falcon's ISO, not a holistic picture of the events up to this point. Maybe I'll sort people based on that later today if I have time, but that takes a lot more work, unless I just do it GTH.

Did it seem like it was either you or Falcon? Esooa and BK both reached at least 3 votes at points relatively near EoD, and Falcon didn't self-press onto you, so I'd put your wagon at at least 4th, and since your wagon was at least half-pure, your wagon could fit as a second wolf-wagon that Falcon didn't want to go for.

[Ratrug]

Esooa, why does a nanook team leave you alive?

idk why any team kills c4

I thought this too, didn’t seem to be universally town read. What’s your theory? Looking back though, he had Seanzie as town, would he kill his line of defense?

falcon and seanzie both independently used the phrase "don't respond 'well' to peer pressure" and it's been bothering me cus that's like.... that's nothing right. is it an anime thing

Good point, probably nothing as well. I think Seanzie has actually been responding well to questioning.

Why is Ratrug self voting? Pretty reactionary response to Alison's shade

This doesn't look teamed with Ratrug.

Maybe I'm wrong on Rat.

@Ratrug why did you not vote at the EOD? Why not self pres?

Self pres? I also just learned anti-spew today as well. I didn’t vote at the EOD because I was getting flak for my self vote. Even if I voted, would that have mad much of a difference though?

Okay, Falcon's ISO was way shorter than I thought it was going to be, so idk why I didn't just read it yesterday after the flip.

Takeaways: First, Falcon talks a lot to Kyle and LC, and very little to anyone else. I see now what people were saying about LC, it looks like Falcon is trying to shade LC for most of the day. Similarly, I think Falcon wanted to shade BK, probably due to the interactions BK and I had early in the day. I'd guess LC and BK are both not teamed with Falcon. Kyle is also probably not, but this I am less confident than LC or BK.

Martin mentions that BK looks towny, and Falcon seems to try to change Martin's mind, and that interaction looks like Falcon is trying to manipulate a towny rather than talking to a teammate, so I think that is a point for Martin.

Someone said Falcon/Nanook interactions looked good for Nook I think, but I disagree. I could easily see the "hubris" conversation being an attempt at distancing. It looks like Falcon and Nook are disagreeing, but almost no actual shade is being thrown around (I mean, Falcon says hubris is not a townie trait, but more-or-less clarifies that it is a trait that is anti-town for a towny to have, NOT that townies don't have the trait). I

Falcon's last post is about Ratrug self voting. Kind of a tinfoil, but I wonder if this is not Falcon getting upset that an afk teammate has a vote in a place that makes it so that Falcon can't save himself. Granted, Ratrug ended up not voting, so I'm not sure this makes sense.

Falcon had 0 interactions with Quin or FingerSplints. Not sure what that means. If you told me one of those two was a wolf though, I would lean towards Quin GTH.

Based just on Falcon's ISO, I'd put the game at something like this:

LC
BK

Martin
Kyle

Everyone else

Ratrug

Nanook

I think your reasoning on me is bad to be honest, seems like fence sitting to me. Plus, I don’t remember you have a scum opinion on me on Day 1 earlier, and I seem to be pretty high on your POE all of a sudden.

Considering it seemed like either me or Falcon yesterday, made sense for him to try and shade me to make me look bad. Who was the one who advocated for BK, and or me, more over Falcon?

While you're here let me try to pick your brain a little bit.

Your top 3 town?
Out of Seanzie, and Quin who would you want to flip?

I made town reads of Kyle, and Ts earlier. I’d add LC and finger as well. And despite Alison’s active tunneling of me yesterday, I think she looks well.

Was Quin being scum read earlier because of his inactivity. I remember him saying he’s an Aussie and has weirder times compared to others. I actually like Seanzie’s defense yesterday, but his most recent post about me gives me pause. I wanna see how day plays out before I give an opinion, but I shy towards Quin rn.

[Ratrug]

Why is Ratrug self voting? Pretty reactionary response to Alison's shade

This doesn't look teamed with Ratrug.

Maybe I'm wrong on Rat.

@Ratrug why did you not vote at the EOD? Why not self pres?

Self pres? I also just learned anti-spew today as well. I didn’t vote at the EOD because I was getting flak for my self vote. Even if I voted, would that have mad much of a difference though?

Okay, Falcon's ISO was way shorter than I thought it was going to be, so idk why I didn't just read it yesterday after the flip.

Takeaways: First, Falcon talks a lot to Kyle and LC, and very little to anyone else. I see now what people were saying about LC, it looks like Falcon is trying to shade LC for most of the day. Similarly, I think Falcon wanted to shade BK, probably due to the interactions BK and I had early in the day. I'd guess LC and BK are both not teamed with Falcon. Kyle is also probably not, but this I am less confident than LC or BK.

Martin mentions that BK looks towny, and Falcon seems to try to change Martin's mind, and that interaction looks like Falcon is trying to manipulate a towny rather than talking to a teammate, so I think that is a point for Martin.

Someone said Falcon/Nanook interactions looked good for Nook I think, but I disagree. I could easily see the "hubris" conversation being an attempt at distancing. It looks like Falcon and Nook are disagreeing, but almost no actual shade is being thrown around (I mean, Falcon says hubris is not a townie trait, but more-or-less clarifies that it is a trait that is anti-town for a towny to have, NOT that townies don't have the trait). I

Falcon's last post is about Ratrug self voting. Kind of a tinfoil, but I wonder if this is not Falcon getting upset that an afk teammate has a vote in a place that makes it so that Falcon can't save himself. Granted, Ratrug ended up not voting, so I'm not sure this makes sense.

Falcon had 0 interactions with Quin or FingerSplints. Not sure what that means. If you told me one of those two was a wolf though, I would lean towards Quin GTH.

Based just on Falcon's ISO, I'd put the game at something like this:

LC
BK

Martin
Kyle

Everyone else

Ratrug

Nanook

I think your reasoning on me is bad to be honest, seems like fence sitting to me. Plus, I don’t remember you have a scum opinion on me on Day 1 earlier, and I seem to be pretty high on your POE all of a sudden.

Considering it seemed like either me or Falcon yesterday, made sense for him to try and shade me to make me look bad. Who was the one who advocated for BK, and or me, more over Falcon?

That isn't my PoE, that is how I think people look based solely on Falcon's ISO. If there is any evidence of teaming in Falcon's ISO, I think it points to either you or Nook. I'm not sold on these things, which is why you are barely even orange, not a deep red. Someone said Falcon's post about you paints you as anti-teamed, but I disagree.

I didn't have a scum read on you D1, and I don't really remember having much opinion about you at all since you haven't posted much content. Again, this is a sorting of players based on Falcon's ISO, not a holistic picture of the events up to this point. Maybe I'll sort people based on that later today if I have time, but that takes a lot more work, unless I just do it GTH.

Did it seem like it was either you or Falcon? Esooa and BK both reached at least 3 votes at points relatively near EoD, and Falcon didn't self-press onto you, so I'd put your wagon at at least 4th, and since your wagon was at least half-pure, your wagon could fit as a second wolf-wagon that Falcon didn't want to go for.

Looked like a POE to me, fair enough then, I guess. I got the vibe though that it was or him just based on the activity around us. Reverts back to the point of him trying to make me look bad. He made the point, but didn’t vote me. Maybe he wanted a stronger player to be lynched, and that I could be the next mislynch?

Who was on that BK and Esooa wagon actually, wasn’t scum suspect Nanook on it?

also, i didn't vote for you as a joke, i voted for you to create pressure between you and Seanzie

did you get what you were looking for? seanzie hasn't talked to me much. how does he factor in?

it's been like 2 hours that's not how vote pressure works lol

Thoughts now?

My town buddy @ts account what’re your thoughts currently?

@Alison what should I make my avatar?

[fingersplints]

[VOTE: vote ratrug] aubergine
Posts are seriously underwhelming. Please contribute to the discussion more.

I’m trying to make my mind up how I feel about the current lynch candidates. Good points have been made. I go back and forth. Logic is telling me one thing and gut feelings are telling me another.

What are the things that logic is telling you, and what are the thinkgs that gut feelings are telling you?

I think that Alison has made a pretty decent case against you, but I believed your emotional responses when under fire.
Ts account has the vote plus non bussing vouch from several people going in his favour, but I still can’t shake the bad feeling there.
I need to review the Quin points.

[ts account]

I can see a ratrug team killing c4 /shrug

Can you expand on this thought please?

not much to expand on, c4 just ended on ratrug

[fingersplints]

Okay rereading Alison and Quin’s posts to get a grasp on it

there is a difference between saying 'i am not going to answer these questions because...' and not interacting with you.

as an aside, just about everything i've read in the seanzie v alison thing has been from your posts. i don't have the time to review it from alison's.

i'm not voting for either of you today.

to be honest, i'm just looking for an excuse not to lynch the birthday boy. please say things that aren't about alison tonight.

Pretty weak reason to avoid voting for someone you were harsh on earlier.

bite me

alison is being mean to me so everything she says is invalid

sorry kyle, maybe next time

Quin says “bite me” then accuses Alison of “being mean”
I don’t think Alison is being mean, but actively scumhunting. She’s probably working the hardest right now
So this feels dismissive.

So this helped me remember now. When the original points came up about Quin, I didn’t find it damning because I was hesitant to vote for Falcon too. The reasons were flimsy, but I could forgive some for being reasonable for day 1. So that’s the biggest difference it seems to me in mine and Quin’s reasoning. Their issue was with the lynch against Falcon itself and the reasons behind it, whereas my major issue had nothing to do with the Falcon aspect of it or the reasonings but simply how the bandwagon was forming.
But Quin’s responses really are leaving something to be desired here. I wouldn’t have been ready to follow Alison’s lead here when the suspicion was originally laid down, but I think I’m going to go there now.

[VOTE: vote quin ] aubergine

[fingersplints]

@ts account what do you think c4 meant in their comment about you before they were night killed?

[BoKnows]

@Ratrug I believe Quin is being scum read because of his interactions with Falcon. I know it's something related to the Falcon wagon. I need to refresh myself with Quin.

[ts account]

My town buddy @ts account what’re your thoughts currently

pocket attempt denied

[ts account]

@ts account what do you think c4 meant in their comment about you before they were night killed?

they thought I would have more towny posts than I do obviously

[BoKnows]

My town buddy @ts account what’re your thoughts currently

pocket attempt denied

good catch

[BoKnows]

okay it's 5:20 and i am still awake and that makes me sad so

i'm caught up.

i'm not voting for alison or seanzie until i've given them both proper reading.

nobody is even talking about falcon beyond meta reads and somehow he's the lead wagon. fuck that.

[VOTE: BK] aubergine because of things i have said early on.

Okay, this has to the post that is universally bad. This comment on Falcon is atrocious and smells even stinkier when falcon flipped red. @Quin can you explain your reasoning behind this at all? What were your thoughts going into EoD day 1?

[Ratrug]

I can see a ratrug team killing c4 /shrug

Can you expand on this thought please?

not much to expand on, c4 just ended on ratrug

Why would I kill him out of everyone that was heavily suspecting me?

My town buddy @ts account what’re your thoughts currently

pocket attempt denied

good catch

Lol what’s to catch?

[ts account]

Why would I kill him out of everyone that was heavily suspecting me?

...why not?

[BoKnows]

I can see a ratrug team killing c4 /shrug

Can you expand on this thought please?

not much to expand on, c4 just ended on ratrug

Why would I kill him out of everyone that was heavily suspecting me?

My town buddy @ts account what’re your thoughts currently

pocket attempt denied

good catch

Lol what’s to catch?

Potential pocket attempt

[Seanzie]

@Ratrug what do you think of Nanook?

[Ratrug]

@Ratrug what do you think of Nanook?

Pocket attempt denied

Nah just kidding. I went back to read his posts and I was pretty null for the most part and I’m leaning town and hears why.

No reread GtH

Alison v
BoKnows v
Esooa v
falcon45ca v
fingersplints v
Kylemii v
Long Con v
MartinGG99 v
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME w
Quin w
Ratrug w
Seanzie v
ts account v

Guessing I messed up somewhere fsr

Quin is one of my strongest townreads

So this is a big swing and a miss

When you come back, can you tell us your reads actually?

So here's the deal

I'm pretty close to passing out

I don't particularly scumread esooa but my vote is kinda pinned cause I do townresd falcon

So if we could find a third option jn the next, idk, 10 minutes, that would be ideal

I was right for the wrong reasons that he wasn’t on the Falcon wagon. It wasn’t he was actively wanting to lynch anyone else it’s just he read Falcon town. He wasn’t even on Esooa either. He kinda just forced his hand.

Ok i actually am gonna pass out now

Kill mafia so I can take credit tomorrow plz

Like he should know how bad this looks, if he comes back and Esooa is lynched and dies, he’s not gonna look extremely excellent. He’s also town reading me, but nobody is really looking into it either. It would be easy to call me scum, but he goes out of his way to say I’m town. Unless he’s just hamming up being a bad mafia player, but I think he has a lot more self awareness than he’s letting on.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@Ratrug what do you think of Nanook?

Pocket attempt denied

Nah just kidding. I went back to read his posts and I was pretty null for the most part and I’m leaning town and hears why.

No reread GtH

Alison v
BoKnows v
Esooa v
falcon45ca v
fingersplints v
Kylemii v
Long Con v
MartinGG99 v
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME w
Quin w
Ratrug w
Seanzie v
ts account v

Guessing I messed up somewhere fsr

Quin is one of my strongest townreads

So this is a big swing and a miss

When you come back, can you tell us your reads actually?

So here's the deal

I'm pretty close to passing out

I don't particularly scumread esooa but my vote is kinda pinned cause I do townresd falcon

So if we could find a third option jn the next, idk, 10 minutes, that would be ideal

I was right for the wrong reasons that he wasn’t on the Falcon wagon. It wasn’t he was actively wanting to lynch anyone else it’s just he read Falcon town. He wasn’t even on Esooa either. He kinda just forced his hand.

Ok i actually am gonna pass out now

Kill mafia so I can take credit tomorrow plz

Like he should know how bad this looks, if he comes back and Esooa is lynched and dies, he’s not gonna look extremely excellent. He’s also town reading me, but nobody is really looking into it either. It would be easy to call me scum, but he goes out of his way to say I’m town. Unless he’s just hamming up being a bad mafia player, but I think he has a lot more self awareness than he’s letting on.

You're so perceptive it's scary

[Ratrug]

In that scenario, Esooa is town. She’s also been talking about how she’s obvious town. So yeah, Esooa is another town read

[Esooa]

would be weird imo for ratrug to start trying a decent amount more as wolf after his partner died rather than before

btw I need to be reminded where Alison ended up with her vote and why

but I can look later

[Seanzie]

@Ratrug what do you think of Nanook?

Pocket attempt denied

Nah just kidding. I went back to read his posts and I was pretty null for the most part and I’m leaning town and hears why.

No reread GtH

Alison v
BoKnows v
Esooa v
falcon45ca v
fingersplints v
Kylemii v
Long Con v
MartinGG99 v
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME w
Quin w
Ratrug w
Seanzie v
ts account v

Guessing I messed up somewhere fsr

Quin is one of my strongest townreads

So this is a big swing and a miss

When you come back, can you tell us your reads actually?

So here's the deal

I'm pretty close to passing out

I don't particularly scumread esooa but my vote is kinda pinned cause I do townresd falcon

So if we could find a third option jn the next, idk, 10 minutes, that would be ideal

I was right for the wrong reasons that he wasn’t on the Falcon wagon. It wasn’t he was actively wanting to lynch anyone else it’s just he read Falcon town. He wasn’t even on Esooa either. He kinda just forced his hand.

Ok i actually am gonna pass out now

Kill mafia so I can take credit tomorrow plz

Like he should know how bad this looks, if he comes back and Esooa is lynched and dies, he’s not gonna look extremely excellent. He’s also town reading me, but nobody is really looking into it either. It would be easy to call me scum, but he goes out of his way to say I’m town. Unless he’s just hamming up being a bad mafia player, but I think he has a lot more self awareness than he’s letting on.

Is this TMI?

Ratrug mentions this in a post right afterwards trying to dismiss it as not TMI. I almost think that is worse since I think Town!Ratrug would be less likely than Scum!Ratrug to realize they said something that looks like TMI.

[Kylemii]

ftr i thought quin's ate felt genuine

[BoKnows]

@Ratrug what do you think of Nanook?

Pocket attempt denied

Nah just kidding. I went back to read his posts and I was pretty null for the most part and I’m leaning town and hears why.

No reread GtH

Alison v
BoKnows v
Esooa v
falcon45ca v
fingersplints v
Kylemii v
Long Con v
MartinGG99 v
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME w
Quin w
Ratrug w
Seanzie v
ts account v

Guessing I messed up somewhere fsr

Quin is one of my strongest townreads

So this is a big swing and a miss

When you come back, can you tell us your reads actually?

So here's the deal

I'm pretty close to passing out

I don't particularly scumread esooa but my vote is kinda pinned cause I do townresd falcon

So if we could find a third option jn the next, idk, 10 minutes, that would be ideal

I was right for the wrong reasons that he wasn’t on the Falcon wagon. It wasn’t he was actively wanting to lynch anyone else it’s just he read Falcon town. He wasn’t even on Esooa either. He kinda just forced his hand.

Ok i actually am gonna pass out now

Kill mafia so I can take credit tomorrow plz

Like he should know how bad this looks, if he comes back and Esooa is lynched and dies, he’s not gonna look extremely excellent. He’s also town reading me, but nobody is really looking into it either. It would be easy to call me scum, but he goes out of his way to say I’m town. Unless he’s just hamming up being a bad mafia player, but I think he has a lot more self awareness than he’s letting on.

Is this TMI?

Ratrug mentions this in a post right afterwards trying to dismiss it as not TMI. I almost think that is worse since I think Town!Ratrug would be less likely than Scum!Ratrug to realize they said something that looks like TMI.

I'm not seeing what you're seeing

[Seanzie]

@Ratrug what do you think of Nanook?

Pocket attempt denied

Nah just kidding. I went back to read his posts and I was pretty null for the most part and I’m leaning town and hears why.

No reread GtH

Alison v
BoKnows v
Esooa v
falcon45ca v
fingersplints v
Kylemii v
Long Con v
MartinGG99 v
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME w
Quin w
Ratrug w
Seanzie v
ts account v

Guessing I messed up somewhere fsr

Quin is one of my strongest townreads

So this is a big swing and a miss

When you come back, can you tell us your reads actually?

So here's the deal

I'm pretty close to passing out

I don't particularly scumread esooa but my vote is kinda pinned cause I do townresd falcon

So if we could find a third option jn the next, idk, 10 minutes, that would be ideal

I was right for the wrong reasons that he wasn’t on the Falcon wagon. It wasn’t he was actively wanting to lynch anyone else it’s just he read Falcon town. He wasn’t even on Esooa either. He kinda just forced his hand.

Ok i actually am gonna pass out now

Kill mafia so I can take credit tomorrow plz

Like he should know how bad this looks, if he comes back and Esooa is lynched and dies, he’s not gonna look extremely excellent. He’s also town reading me, but nobody is really looking into it either. It would be easy to call me scum, but he goes out of his way to say I’m town. Unless he’s just hamming up being a bad mafia player, but I think he has a lot more self awareness than he’s letting on.

Is this TMI?

Ratrug mentions this in a post right afterwards trying to dismiss it as not TMI. I almost think that is worse since I think Town!Ratrug would be less likely than Scum!Ratrug to realize they said something that looks like TMI.

I'm not seeing what you're seeing

It seems like he knows Esooa is going to flip green.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@Ratrug what do you think of Nanook?

Pocket attempt denied

Nah just kidding. I went back to read his posts and I was pretty null for the most part and I’m leaning town and hears why.

No reread GtH

Alison v
BoKnows v
Esooa v
falcon45ca v
fingersplints v
Kylemii v
Long Con v
MartinGG99 v
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME w
Quin w
Ratrug w
Seanzie v
ts account v

Guessing I messed up somewhere fsr

Quin is one of my strongest townreads

So this is a big swing and a miss

When you come back, can you tell us your reads actually?

So here's the deal

I'm pretty close to passing out

I don't particularly scumread esooa but my vote is kinda pinned cause I do townresd falcon

So if we could find a third option jn the next, idk, 10 minutes, that would be ideal

I was right for the wrong reasons that he wasn’t on the Falcon wagon. It wasn’t he was actively wanting to lynch anyone else it’s just he read Falcon town. He wasn’t even on Esooa either. He kinda just forced his hand.

Ok i actually am gonna pass out now

Kill mafia so I can take credit tomorrow plz

Like he should know how bad this looks, if he comes back and Esooa is lynched and dies, he’s not gonna look extremely excellent. He’s also town reading me, but nobody is really looking into it either. It would be easy to call me scum, but he goes out of his way to say I’m town. Unless he’s just hamming up being a bad mafia player, but I think he has a lot more self awareness than he’s letting on.

Is this TMI?

Ratrug mentions this in a post right afterwards trying to dismiss it as not TMI. I almost think that is worse since I think Town!Ratrug would be less likely than Scum!Ratrug to realize they said something that looks like TMI.

I'm not seeing what you're seeing

I see it, I considered it too, but I don't think it's really a thing

[BoKnows]

@Ratrug what do you think of Nanook?

Pocket attempt denied

Nah just kidding. I went back to read his posts and I was pretty null for the most part and I’m leaning town and hears why.

No reread GtH

Alison v
BoKnows v
Esooa v
falcon45ca v
fingersplints v
Kylemii v
Long Con v
MartinGG99 v
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME w
Quin w
Ratrug w
Seanzie v
ts account v

Guessing I messed up somewhere fsr

Quin is one of my strongest townreads

So this is a big swing and a miss

When you come back, can you tell us your reads actually?

So here's the deal

I'm pretty close to passing out

I don't particularly scumread esooa but my vote is kinda pinned cause I do townresd falcon

So if we could find a third option jn the next, idk, 10 minutes, that would be ideal

I was right for the wrong reasons that he wasn’t on the Falcon wagon. It wasn’t he was actively wanting to lynch anyone else it’s just he read Falcon town. He wasn’t even on Esooa either. He kinda just forced his hand.

Ok i actually am gonna pass out now

Kill mafia so I can take credit tomorrow plz

Like he should know how bad this looks, if he comes back and Esooa is lynched and dies, he’s not gonna look extremely excellent. He’s also town reading me, but nobody is really looking into it either. It would be easy to call me scum, but he goes out of his way to say I’m town. Unless he’s just hamming up being a bad mafia player, but I think he has a lot more self awareness than he’s letting on.

Is this TMI?

Ratrug mentions this in a post right afterwards trying to dismiss it as not TMI. I almost think that is worse since I think Town!Ratrug would be less likely than Scum!Ratrug to realize they said something that looks like TMI.

I'm not seeing what you're seeing

It seems like he knows Esooa is going to flip green.

Gotcha. Yeah it does look like he knows that esooa is going to flip green. Yeah wow that's really suspect.