Fargo Mafia [Game Ends]

[BoKnows]

Michelle is town either way imo

Why?

She's quite easy to read. She posts with a joyful spirit and reckless acquiescence as town.

Okay, I'm not familiar with her game how does she post when she's scum?

[BoKnows]

The paranoia about fast wagons, the concerted attempt to solve/catchup despite starting late into the thread, really pure sounding posts like the black coffee one, a disinterest in easy misexes and a true desire to search for truth, all point to town.

This is about Michelle correct?

[MacDougall]

Michelle is town either way imo

Why?

She's quite easy to read. She posts with a joyful spirit and reckless acquiescence as town.

Okay, I'm not familiar with her game how does she post when she's scum?

Uneasily. Infrequently. Not overtly badly but generally townies will be weary of her from the get go so she gets POE fucked most of the time when mafia in my experience because she can't explode and post herself clear and she is also not an exponent of distancing.

[tutuu]

tony is scummy as town and towny as maf

[Alison]

The paranoia about fast wagons, the concerted attempt to solve/catchup despite starting late into the thread, really pure sounding posts like the black coffee one, a disinterest in easy misexes and a true desire to search for truth, all point to town.

This is about Michelle correct?

yeah

[MacDougall]

tony is scummy as town and towny as maf

He is towny here in every way except the directions he is aiming.

[tutuu]

marmot is scummy as town and scummy as maf

[tutuu]

tony is scummy as town and towny as maf

He is towny here in every way except the directions he is aiming.

I think that hes scummy here so hes town

[tutuu]

Accidental emoji

[BoKnows]

Okay well Mac's and Alison's posts about Michelle blend in well with together, but tutuu's comment about how she wouldn't defend a teammate so weakly is meh to me. This lobby is so big that I'm not really willing to change my vote because a universally town-leaned/read player doesn't think they're scum

[Alison]

tony is scummy as town and towny as maf

Not only do I just not believe in this sort of thinking in general, I especially don't believe in it when it comes to Tony. Tony was suspected pretty early on in Fallout, and a POE/default exe for a lot of the subsequent days, confirmed town in GOC, etc.

[MacDougall]

tony is scummy as town and towny as maf

He is towny here in every way except the directions he is aiming.

I think that hes scummy here so hes town

You are levelling the fuck out of yourself.

Not saying you've arrived at the wrong result but he has looked objectively townie to me. For me my issue with him has been he has pushed on people I've viewed as townie for little reason and likewise shielded others in really obtuse ways. This just makes me think he's powerwolfing badly. He has yet to make a read that didn't make me recoil with cringe.

[Justplayingitcool]

Town: JJJ, MacDougall, Oddmerta, Sloonei, Strawhenge, falcon45ca, Esooa, Michelle

Light town: fingersplints, BoKnows, Nanook, tutuu, staypositivefriend

Null: Dom, Long Con

POE: Marmot, AL_sama, JPIC, KZA, TonyStarkPrime, tedxtr

Michelle shifted up for a really townie entrance. Nanook shifted down, still a townread, but the bar for being at the top tier is raised higher now and I have respect for his scum game. Marmot shifted down for reasons I've explained (I didn't like his interaction with KZA, and I thought he fit in the same position as he usually does as scum, gamestate-wise).

I have not had an easy time reading LC's posts strongly one way or another this game. He remains a null. tutuu is shifted up to light town for reasons discussed just above, and SPF is shifted up to light town for consistent good takes.

What has BoKnows done to be considered light town?

[Alison]

Okay well Mac's and Alison's posts about Michelle blend in well with together, but tutuu's comment about how she wouldn't defend a teammate so weakly is meh to me. This lobby is so big that I'm not really willing to change my vote because a universally town-leaned/read player doesn't think they're scum

So you are scum with Al.

I see.

[tedxtr]

I would chop Long Con, Marmot, AL_sama, or maybe tedxtr

skip past the talking, do what you feel

[BoKnows]

Okay well Mac's and Alison's posts about Michelle blend in well with together, but tutuu's comment about how she wouldn't defend a teammate so weakly is meh to me. This lobby is so big that I'm not really willing to change my vote because a universally town-leaned/read player doesn't think they're scum

So you are scum with Al.

I see.

Clearly

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I'm not saying my Joseph impersonation is scary good but I will say if I heard it in my house I'd be under the bed shaking in terror

[MacDougall]

Okay well Mac's and Alison's posts about Michelle blend in well with together, but tutuu's comment about how she wouldn't defend a teammate so weakly is meh to me. This lobby is so big that I'm not really willing to change my vote because a universally town-leaned/read player doesn't think they're scum

So you are scum with Al.

I see.

As Tutuu called.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Also I still think bo is town

[MacDougall]

I'm not saying my Joseph impersonation is scary good but I will say if I heard it in my house I'd be under the bed shaking in terror

You lost me. What?

[Justplayingitcool]

Wait you wanna bury TSP too? That's tight.

In Fallout I said that he seemed scummy because he was machine gunning out hot takes to try to match his town meta. I didn't put much genuine effort into figuring out how correct that analysis was because I was Metzger, but he did end up flipping scum. I think he is playing up his "says confusing things" persona a little too much here, in a very similar way.

Also his vote on Michelle was a total wolf move. I am happy to vote him out.

Out of all the egregious things Tony has done, I don't think him asking people to vote Michelle was one of them

[Justplayingitcool]

If I had to sort my POE it would be like this.

Upper POE: JPIC, Marmot, tedxtr

Lower POE: AL_sama, KZA, TSP

Mac's argument that JPIC self resolves is logical and is a reason not to exe JPIC as early since he might townclear himself later on if he's town. Marmot and ted's posting have been pretty meh but I don't have a slam dunk reason to vote them.

Everyone in the lower POE has given me a strong reason to think that they are scum.

My what sorry

Weren't you arguing that JPIC is super polarized and will be outed as the game goes on anyway? Or am I misremembering?

I was saying he was polarised and is likely just mafia. I didn't say the other parts.

ok

[tutuu]

well u seem to be taking stuff rly seriously from my pov and u seem to wanna die so it makes me think ur maf

I can't seem to change anything so I gave up

this sucks I'm getting more town reads by posting complete garbage I didn't even think about than when I tried to play serious

kza still obv town

[MacDougall]

I've seen glimpses of the town Ted. Enough for me not to prioritise his exsanguination today. Good job Ted if you're mafia.

[Justplayingitcool]

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Look, there is only one way this can go
Poll runs till Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:00 am
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option


AL_sama
4
19%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, MacDougall, tutuu, Alison
Alison
1
5%
Voters: falcon45ca
BoKnows
1
5%
Voters: Justplayingitcool
Dom
0
No votes
Voters: None
Esooa
0
No votes
Voters: None
falcon45ca
0
No votes
Voters: None
fingersplints
0
No votes
Voters: None
JaggedJimmyJay
0
No votes
Voters: None
Justplayingitcool
1
5%
Voters: Oddmerta
KZA
1
5%
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None
MacDougall
0
No votes
Voters: None
Marmot
1
5%
Voters: staypositivefriend
Michelle
0
No votes
Voters: None
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
1
5%
Voters: KZA
Oddmerta
3
14%
Voters: BoKnows, tedxtr, Long Con
Sloonei
0
No votes
Voters: None
staypositivefriend
0
No votes
Voters: None
Strawhenge
0
No votes
Voters: None
tedxtr
1
5%
Voters: TonyStarkPrime
TonyStarkPrime
2
10%
Voters: fingersplints, Esooa
tutuu
2
10%
Voters: Sloonei, Marmot
Unvote
0
No votes
Voters: None
No Elimination
0
No votes
Voters: None
Is one of them the "hard way"? (Host/Dead/Non)
3
14%
Voters: nutella, Epignosis, novaselinenever
Total votes: 21

I don't have time to play at work

I looked earlier at the thread and i saw a post mentioning a tie between Marmot and Odd, now Marmot's wagon dissipated and Al is top wagon

I decided to keep this VC and I will do it again, i forgot we need some VCs.

I will cast a vote on Marmot, probably that wagon have to exist. No, i didn't read and I will appreciate if someone tells me a towny activity from Marmot explaining the votes movement.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

[VOTE: AL_sama] aubergine

Nobody trusts this slot, and getting a wagon up has been pulling teeth.

I trust Al

[VOTE: AL_sama] aubergine

Nobody trusts this slot, and getting a wagon up has been pulling teeth.

I trust Al

And the wagon grew too fast

Unlikely to be w/w with Al

[tutuu]

@Long Con @TonyStarkPrime you just wolfed very recently with jpic and towned with him in goc

what are ur reads on him again? u should have the freshest meta knowledge

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I'm not saying my Joseph impersonation is scary good but I will say if I heard it in my house I'd be under the bed shaking in terror

You lost me. What?

Here's my best Joseph impression

Tsp has 50 posts d0 he's near lock mafier

Here's my best Joseph impression

Tsp has 50 posts d0 he's near lock mafier

Oh wow Joseph you know last time you made this read I didn't listen enough to it but this time I think I will, thanks for the tip buddy!

So maybe it isn't perfect but its still pretty solid tbh

[tedxtr]

I've seen glimpses of the town Ted. Enough for me not to prioritise his exsanguination today. Good job Ted if you're mafia.

I think I fool you every time

[MacDougall]

well u seem to be taking stuff rly seriously from my pov and u seem to wanna die so it makes me think ur maf

I can't seem to change anything so I gave up

this sucks I'm getting more town reads by posting complete garbage I didn't even think about than when I tried to play serious

kza still obv town

He did a thing that makes him DEFINITITELY either mafia or town but I can't figure out which. Like he made a read that was either TMI or so anti opportunistic it made him town. I really don't know which so its sadly null. It's a beautiful mess of a read.

[tutuu]

nook's crush on mac is cute

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

well u seem to be taking stuff rly seriously from my pov and u seem to wanna die so it makes me think ur maf

I can't seem to change anything so I gave up

this sucks I'm getting more town reads by posting complete garbage I didn't even think about than when I tried to play serious

kza still obv town

Meh

[MacDougall]

I've seen glimpses of the town Ted. Enough for me not to prioritise his exsanguination today. Good job Ted if you're mafia.

I think I fool you every time

God damn it why would you do this?

[Justplayingitcool]

Skimmed through Al's ISO and was not impressed. Towards the end he made a giant read list and falcon said something like "it looks like you don't want to lynch anybody", and Al responded by saying he's not confident in his read list. If you're not confident enough in your reads why even bother making a readlist??? It seems like he made a readlist to just make a readlist.

die

[Justplayingitcool]

im back to scumreading jpic too

Great progression

[tutuu]

@Sloonei u townread marmot for scumeading spf for saying "definitely" or "confidently" 3 times in one post i also thought it was towny but in goc as wolf marmot scumread dya because they said "i want X dead" insead of "i think X should die"

[Justplayingitcool]

@Justplayingitcool who mafia

BoKnows
TSP
Marmot
Odd

[tedxtr]

I've seen glimpses of the town Ted. Enough for me not to prioritise his exsanguination today. Good job Ted if you're mafia.

I think I fool you every time

God damn it why would you do this?

you’re fun to play mind games with

[MacDougall]

Damn it JPIC now you're being townie

[BoKnows]

Skimmed through Al's ISO and was not impressed. Towards the end he made a giant read list and falcon said something like "it looks like you don't want to lynch anybody", and Al responded by saying he's not confident in his read list. If you're not confident enough in your reads why even bother making a readlist??? It seems like he made a readlist to just make a readlist.

die

it takes so much to produce a smile these days

[tutuu]

im back to scumreading jpic too

Great progression

why do you feel unmotivated similar to mtg mafia as opposed to motivated similar to goc? i acknowledge u saying that u posting that much was damaging for ur health but

[MacDougall]

I've seen glimpses of the town Ted. Enough for me not to prioritise his exsanguination today. Good job Ted if you're mafia.

I think I fool you every time

God damn it why would you do this?

you’re fun to play mind games with

I see.

Well as they say. The scarecrow walks at midnight.

[Alison]

Also I still think bo is town

Al gets wagoned by a bunch of strong, loud townies -> BK is like "hmm I guess I'll ISO Al" -> "Yeah Al's ISO is really unimpressive. I guess I'll vote him". No real fierceness/conviction, and I don't get the "gotcha!" feeling of a town who thinks they've just nailed a mafia after reading an ISO.

-> Completely unrelated conversation about Michelle -> "Actually sorry I don't wanna vote Al after all, I'd just be sheeping someone else and I think this lobby is big enough that I can have my own reads."

This is a scum pattern. Note that Bo is voting Oddmerta (who coincidentally happens to be a big competing wagon to Al), not Michelle. So all that crap about not being convinced by me and Mac's towncases on Michelle doesn't follow logically. And even if he mixed up his own vote and thought he was voting Michelle, I think Michelle is obvious town who looks like an easy misexe and is a trap for mafia to fall into. So if he's voting a top townread of mine to save someone in my bottom POE I hate that too and think it's teammate indicative.

[Justplayingitcool]

marmot is scummy as town and scummy as maf

Wrong. Marmot was very scummy in GoC and townie in Simple Arsonist/MtG

[Justplayingitcool]

im back to scumreading jpic too

Great progression

why do you feel unmotivated similar to mtg mafia as opposed to motivated similar to goc? i acknowledge u saying that u posting that much was damaging for ur health but

I'm not.

In GOC I was playing pretty regularly during my working hours. I want to avoid that.

yes, the irony is that I am meant to be working right now. Call it extended lunch.

[tutuu]

marmot is scummy as town and scummy as maf

Wrong. Marmot was very scummy in GoC and townie in Simple Arsonist/MtG

ok fine marmot maf

[Alison]

Wait you wanna bury TSP too? That's tight.

In Fallout I said that he seemed scummy because he was machine gunning out hot takes to try to match his town meta. I didn't put much genuine effort into figuring out how correct that analysis was because I was Metzger, but he did end up flipping scum. I think he is playing up his "says confusing things" persona a little too much here, in a very similar way.

Also his vote on Michelle was a total wolf move. I am happy to vote him out.

Out of all the egregious things Tony has done, I don't think him asking people to vote Michelle was one of them

Michelle is egregiously town. I know it. Mac knows it. Sloonei knows it. Jay knows it. All of these people are town. I think if TSP was town, he'd know it too. Or at least put more weight into our opinions. It was a very naked flash wagoning attempt on someone who is almost certainly a townie to save a scummy slot. And I hate that.

[MacDougall]

Also I still think bo is town

Al gets wagoned by a bunch of strong, loud townies -> BK is like "hmm I guess I'll ISO Al" -> "Yeah Al's ISO is really unimpressive. I guess I'll vote him". No real fierceness/conviction, and I don't get the "gotcha!" feeling of a town who thinks they've just nailed a mafia after reading an ISO.

-> Completely unrelated conversation about Michelle -> "Actually sorry I don't wanna vote Al after all, I'd just be sheeping someone else and I think this lobby is big enough that I can have my own reads."

This is a scum pattern. Note that Bo is voting Oddmerta (who coincidentally happens to be a big competing wagon to Al), not Michelle. So all that crap about not being convinced by me and Mac's towncases on Michelle doesn't follow logically. And even if he mixed up his own vote and thought he was voting Michelle, I think Michelle is obvious town who looks like an easy misexe and is a trap for mafia to fall into. So if he's voting a top townread of mine to save someone in my bottom POE I hate that too and think it's teammate indicative.

This is such a mic drop lol

[Justplayingitcool]

Okay well Mac's and Alison's posts about Michelle blend in well with together, but tutuu's comment about how she wouldn't defend a teammate so weakly is meh to me. This lobby is so big that I'm not really willing to change my vote because a universally town-leaned/read player doesn't think they're scum

what does this mean

[BoKnows]

Also I still think bo is town

Al gets wagoned by a bunch of strong, loud townies -> BK is like "hmm I guess I'll ISO Al" -> "Yeah Al's ISO is really unimpressive. I guess I'll vote him". No real fierceness/conviction, and I don't get the "gotcha!" feeling of a town who thinks they've just nailed a mafia after reading an ISO.

-> Completely unrelated conversation about Michelle -> "Actually sorry I don't wanna vote Al after all, I'd just be sheeping someone else and I think this lobby is big enough that I can have my own reads."

This is a scum pattern. Note that Bo is voting Oddmerta (who coincidentally happens to be a big competing wagon to Al), not Michelle. So all that crap about not being convinced by me and Mac's towncases on Michelle doesn't follow logically. And even if he mixed up his own vote and thought he was voting Michelle, I think Michelle is obvious town who looks like an easy misexe and is a trap for mafia to fall into. So if he's voting a top townread of mine to save someone in my bottom POE I hate that too and think it's teammate indicative.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Also I still think bo is town

Al gets wagoned by a bunch of strong, loud townies -> BK is like "hmm I guess I'll ISO Al" -> "Yeah Al's ISO is really unimpressive. I guess I'll vote him". No real fierceness/conviction, and I don't get the "gotcha!" feeling of a town who thinks they've just nailed a mafia after reading an ISO.

-> Completely unrelated conversation about Michelle -> "Actually sorry I don't wanna vote Al after all, I'd just be sheeping someone else and I think this lobby is big enough that I can have my own reads."

This is a scum pattern. Note that Bo is voting Oddmerta (who coincidentally happens to be a big competing wagon to Al), not Michelle. So all that crap about not being convinced by me and Mac's towncases on Michelle doesn't follow logically. And even if he mixed up his own vote and thought he was voting Michelle, I think Michelle is obvious town who looks like an easy misexe and is a trap for mafia to fall into. So if he's voting a top townread of mine to save someone in my bottom POE I hate that too and think it's teammate indicative.

I understand your argument and remain unconvinced by it