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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]
Beer thought: sloonei has been kinda over the top when addressing OddMerta lately
Does this mean something? Idk I hope so
Does this mean something? Idk I hope so
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I think this is good actually
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I may be more powerful than i thought...I have no idea how I did that...
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]
I was about to protest but that is the sort of thing I might do lolHally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:50 pm“keep track of claims for me so i can soup kill them all” - nanook the great and fearsome, 2021NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:45 pm Probably don't keep claiming, if you do someone keep track for me
Probably don't tho
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I was trying to say this reminds me of when town Sloonei was annoyed with me dodging his questions in Fallout 2
But I summoned a bombastic header by accident
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]
Wolf Oddmerta is coasting on the plushy mech townread for the foreseeable future.Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:59 am if i was to play devil’s advocate with myself re: odd i would say that a wolf might do more to give the passing appearance that they care, whereas odd doesn’t seem concerned with looking like he’s solving. i don’t know if i care about this kind of argument but it exists
That is easy to believe.
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Sloonei is a wolf. It probably means that.

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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]
I mean mac townread me even as I was giving him ball issues.Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:46 am Alrighty then.
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Sloonei did his breakdown of it here, but I also kept track of it. It was a bunch of nothing. If they're scummates, they distanced themselves. But in conjunction with nanook's general demeanor, it's hard to tell.
NANOOK + JAGGEDJIMMYJAY
Cast light aspersions on Jay for being Jay, rebuffed Jay's questions. Not usually what I've seen townies do in response to Jay being Jay.
NANOOK + MACDOUGAL
Sparred with him a little but kept his distance. They didn't interact much. He gave Mac cancer of the scrotal seam, though. That's not good.
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Nanook doesn't look incredibly great. I've seen throughout the thread, and in direct response to me asking about it, that Nanook is just this way regardless of alignment. I'm curious about this claim that he doesn't want to make, that'll clear him. I'm always wary of such claims anyway. He stays squarely in my scum-lean pile, but I think there are better chops to get to first.
And thats just how a jay nanook game goes
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]
I already read it, I'm a huge Dickens fan, and was an English major back in 1325 ADTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:12 amhow are you liking it? my best ever crossword clue was for bleak housefalcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:04 pmHoly fuck, I can't read this.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:01 pmi don't carry the resounding confidence that everyone else in this game does that falcon is a villager, but i do think that he is probably just a villager. i don't currently have a reason to be concerned about him and i don't intend to tinfoil this slot unless it's proven that the consensus POE is broken.
there have been some small moments from tedextr that have made me doubt myself, (mostly just the authenticity of emotion in some of his more recent posting, but i am deliberately refusing to base my reads on that foundation) but i still find him holistically pretty wolfy. i have zero issue with his slot being resolved
nanook has been a slot that i've mostly ignored reading throughout this game, for whatever reason. i usually think that nanook's alignment is obvious as either alignment (ie: i read him as mafia immediately in the zelda mash, i read him as town immediately in bread mafia), but he's been in this weird neutral space where most of the posts that he has made have completely unmoved me in either direction. the lack of clarity that i feel about nanook's alignment indicates to me that he might just be a wolf - i am doubtful that i would have this little to say about nanook's posting if he was a villager
i haven't untangled whether or not alison being a villager also makes oddmerta a villager by default. i'm not sure if it does. regardless, i have found oddmerta's posting mildly villagery. he would probably be the top of my priority list to sort if the POE ended up being way off, but he is a slot that i'm also not very concerned about right now
i still feel that sloonei is a villager. i have very much felt myself being in line with his solving today and i have been given zero reason to believe that he's playing w/a ulterior motive. his solving is good. his lines of reasoning are good and easy to follow. his reads align with mine. i am not currently concerned about the sloonei slot
i have carried a secret tinfoil wolfread on esooa for a little while now . i know that wolf!esooa loves to subvert her meta, and i felt that her lack of investment in this game could have been an attempt to subvert her meta from fallout mafia for the sake of looking townier. esooa made a post yesterday that said: "if you want an easy reason to clear me, then just compare this game to how i played in fallout mafia!". that concerned me and validated that my worry about esooa could be coming from a reasonable place. i am also skeptical about how confidently esooa townreads me in this game, as much as i like it
even so, esooa is not on the top of my priority list to sort due to her claim, and due to the fact that i have still found her posts mostly villagery. i do think there's some truth to the idea that esooa would be more interested in the narrative and direction of this game if she was a wolf. she's a slot that i would come back to if we've wiped out the majority of the POE and things are looking bad.
strawhenge has made a couple of posts that have raised my eyebrows and pinged me the slightest bit. i still feel that they are most likely a villager based on the overwhelming villageryness of their early posting.
if i'm putting mechanics aside, then KZA is still in my POE, although not top priority. i have not sorted out whether or not alison's claim makes KZA a villager
Dom is rand. i have no opinion on his alignment and i'm skeptical of those who say they do. i have no idea. his slot should probably be resolved at some point.
i wolflean TSP, but i find myself scrambling into knots every time I try to articulate my thoughts on him. a lot of his posts just feel off to me - as though i am watching someone take a picture of another person scumhunting, as opposed to watching him scumhunt himself. i might ISO him and see if i can put some of those thoughts into words. i wolflean him.
some posts from long con have felt pretty villagery to me. i don't feel that i can comfortably take him out of my POE.
i remain fairly neutral about fingersplints. i feel that she is a plausible fit as a member of either wolf team, but there is nothing about her that particularly stands out to me as wolfy
i have found JPIC's posts significantly more villagery than in the one game where i saw him as a wolf - make of that what you will. he is in the upper echelons of my POE. not my preferred chop at all
michelle had a strong opening, and has done nothing since then that i have found particularly villagery. i think that she may just be a wolf on autopilot that is scrambling to keep up with the pace of the game. not my preferred chop but would probably sort sooner than later
i think that alison is a villager
i lean village on BoKnows. the level of comfort to his game is not the type of comfort that i feel a wolf would easily be able to replicate
i wolfread al_sama. almost all of their posts have pinged me. i have seen nothing today that changes my perspective about him. would chop.
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME thoughts on Oddmerta?
@Oddmerta thoughts on nanook?
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]
I thought he was probably town d1
I haven't read any of his posts since
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]
Why was he probably town Day 1?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:32 amI thought he was probably town d1
I haven't read any of his posts since
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]
this is a good summation of where i'm at with nanook - his posts don't seem to have any real conviction or fluidity between them. he's drifting, and while i dont think drifting is inherently alignment indicative for him, his town game is usually balanced with moments of genuine solving/digging into things - i struggle to see any of that reflected hereHally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:52 pm i dunno, there have been games where i’ve been able to tell nook is a villa fairly easily because it’s evident he cares about his reads and stuff. this is not one of those games. i feel like he’s just going through the motions here, which tbf is probably in both ranges for him bit i think os more likely to come from w!him? so gth wolf but i’m not confident in it
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apologies for the lack of engagement today - the accidental nap that i just took confirmed to me that i was a lot more tired from work this week than i thought i was, lol
does anyone have anything they'd like my take on in particular? if not, i'm going to continue just digging around
does anyone have anything they'd like my take on in particular? if not, i'm going to continue just digging around
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]
He's town but I want him to die because he made "I'm mafia" jokes as his entrance. But if we kill him for that then we have to kill a lot of townies for that

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oddmerta did not directly mention marmot once throughout the entirety of d1
that's wack
that's wack
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i think that TSP and fingersplints are unalignedfingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:11 pm I still think tsp is most suspicious, but I think Marmot doesn’t look great, and I’m ok with that lynch as well. A lot of my suspicion of tsp stems from their talk of Marmot such as suspecting jay for voting their before calling their read on Marmot null and finally moving their vote their abruptly.
noting this for future reference, in case TSP is on the Other Team which some have theorized
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I never directly mentioned you either come to think of itstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:36 am oddmerta did not directly mention marmot once throughout the entirety of d1
that's wack

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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]
One of the tasks on my hypothetical To Do List right now is to start affirming or re-affirming some of the players not in the POE. I feel like we have, for the time being, exhausted the arguments that can be made against our main suspects for the day. Maybe there is more that can be said about al_sama, but he feels like he's on the back burner right now. TSP is the wagon that I feel us the most unresolved, so maybe he could be talked about some more.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:35 am apologies for the lack of engagement today - the accidental nap that i just took confirmed to me that i was a lot more tired from work this week than i thought i was, lol
does anyone have anything they'd like my take on in particular? if not, i'm going to continue just digging around
But for now, we're in a position that feels comfortable. We all seem to collectively think that the game is going well, that our POE deserves to be trusted, and that the "towncore" is sound. So I'd like to take this moment of relative ease to confirm that we're not getting ahead of ourselves, if we can. To that end, I want to double check some of our reads. Namely, players like falcon, Bo, KZA, and Strawhenge. I continue to town read all of them, but I am not at a point where I would "bet the game" on them being town. It would be nice if I could get there.
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]
JPIC is also still occupying a space where I don't distrust him, but I have no reason to say he can't be mafia.
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]
Why do you think he's town?
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]
I’ve made an early read sorta like that and MACDOUGALL and ALISON claimed he’s an innocent childHally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:33 am i finished iso’ing oddmerta and have confirmed that he doesn’t have a single villagery thought or post in his iso. there is nothing i can point to and go “odd is trying to solve the game.” the few reads he’s given look fake. his tone/attitude could perhaps be construed as villagery but i think they’re just his personality and NAI. i don’t see any reason why he’s a villager
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]
He has town vibes

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Can you explain these vibes or identify any posts where the vibes are visible?Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:46 amHe has town vibes
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minor gripe about tedextr:
i find ted's progression from this:
ted made quite the show out of defending the top wagons on d1, and he characterized the wagons and the reasoning behind the wagons as "bad" - TSP is one of the people that he defended from the pressure
and then, almost immediately after d2 starts, tedextr votes for TSP. he does this because TSP voted for him. if tedextr was a villager and he viewed TSP as a player that was being unfairly and unreasonably pushed on throughout the majority of d1, then i find it difficult to believe that he would place a vote on TSP as easily as he did. and if he did, i think there would be some real attempt on ted's part to read into TSP's alignment more clearly, but i don't get any sense that ted is genuinely trying to solve tony from the way that he interacts with him
this point is inherently nitpicky because it comes with several reasonable defenses (ie: ted could argue that it was a meme vote, or that the marmot flipped changed his mind, or that a vote made in the heat of the moment shouldn't be taken seriously). ultimately, i just find it difficult to believe that ted carried the mindset of: "the top wagons are bad and should be defended" with any real sense of conviction, and if he changed his mind on d2, it's not a change that has any visible trajectory
i find ted's progression from this:
to this:tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:59 pm marmot - hasn't done much
ted - has motly slanked this game and when he makes reads, he's lock mafia because he cares about his single read
tsp - has been a wildcard and his posts and arguments have been confusing
these are the top wagons with reasons from alison's big post
to be mildly unbelievable
ted made quite the show out of defending the top wagons on d1, and he characterized the wagons and the reasoning behind the wagons as "bad" - TSP is one of the people that he defended from the pressure
and then, almost immediately after d2 starts, tedextr votes for TSP. he does this because TSP voted for him. if tedextr was a villager and he viewed TSP as a player that was being unfairly and unreasonably pushed on throughout the majority of d1, then i find it difficult to believe that he would place a vote on TSP as easily as he did. and if he did, i think there would be some real attempt on ted's part to read into TSP's alignment more clearly, but i don't get any sense that ted is genuinely trying to solve tony from the way that he interacts with him
this point is inherently nitpicky because it comes with several reasonable defenses (ie: ted could argue that it was a meme vote, or that the marmot flipped changed his mind, or that a vote made in the heat of the moment shouldn't be taken seriously). ultimately, i just find it difficult to believe that ted carried the mindset of: "the top wagons are bad and should be defended" with any real sense of conviction, and if he changed his mind on d2, it's not a change that has any visible trajectory
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]
Long Con was the only one who commented on my big ted talk last night, and I felt like I really kinda just caught him there.
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]
i am in a similar position - this game has a feeling of comfortableness that i am continuing to reluctantly trust in until i'm given a reason to do otherwise. the last game i played that had a "comfortable" feeling that ultimately ended up having an extremely flawed consensus POE was bread mafia, and the cracks in that game became extremely obvious by the time that d3 rolled around. if there are similar cracks in this game, i believe that they will become easier to observe, especially based on the flips that we haveSloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:43 amOne of the tasks on my hypothetical To Do List right now is to start affirming or re-affirming some of the players not in the POE. I feel like we have, for the time being, exhausted the arguments that can be made against our main suspects for the day. Maybe there is more that can be said about al_sama, but he feels like he's on the back burner right now. TSP is the wagon that I feel us the most unresolved, so maybe he could be talked about some more.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:35 am apologies for the lack of engagement today - the accidental nap that i just took confirmed to me that i was a lot more tired from work this week than i thought i was, lol
does anyone have anything they'd like my take on in particular? if not, i'm going to continue just digging around
But for now, we're in a position that feels comfortable. We all seem to collectively think that the game is going well, that our POE deserves to be trusted, and that the "towncore" is sound. So I'd like to take this moment of relative ease to confirm that we're not getting ahead of ourselves, if we can. To that end, I want to double check some of our reads. Namely, players like falcon, Bo, KZA, and Strawhenge. I continue to town read all of them, but I am not at a point where I would "bet the game" on them being town. It would be nice if I could get there.
i just tried to re-ISO al_sama but since he hasn't really posted today, i would just be reiterating the same arguments i made about him on d1. i still find him reasonably wolfy.
TSP is in a weird spot - it seems there's a consensus that TSP does not fit on Team Marmot (i need to go and verify this myself), but there is still a pretty huge push for him to be the chop today. if it's true that TSP is on the Other Team, i think it is entirely possible that part of the push against TSP is being driven/signal boosted by Marmot's team. This is something that I would like to come back to and analyze when TSP gets resolved
strawhenge's most recent posting has reassured me that he's probably just a villager. i would like to reaffirm that kza/falcon/BoKnows deserve a spot in the "probably not wolf" category as well. the name that i feel the most uneasy about on that list is kza.
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]
But you also suggested that Ted looked better than I did in the exchange. How's that?
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]
How is that? That is how I felt, I thought you were making a big case about something I found to be a reasonable response from ted.

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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]
Actually would be cool if @KZA @BoKnows and @falcon45ca could give us some round robin reads on each other. Once they've all sobered up, that is.
I gather that there is a general sense of trust between the three of them this game. But they should all know one another better than the rest of the roster, so if any players are in a position to either confirm a civilian or dislodge a mafier in that group, it's the Canucks themselves.
I gather that there is a general sense of trust between the three of them this game. But they should all know one another better than the rest of the roster, so if any players are in a position to either confirm a civilian or dislodge a mafier in that group, it's the Canucks themselves.
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What is Ted's alignment? What is my alignment?
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]
This is not a thought I'd had. It's interesting.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:56 am TSP is in a weird spot - it seems there's a consensus that TSP does not fit on Team Marmot (i need to go and verify this myself), but there is still a pretty huge push for him to be the chop today. if it's true that TSP is on the Other Team, i think it is entirely possible that part of the push against TSP is being driven/signal boosted by Marmot's team. This is something that I would like to come back to and analyze when TSP gets resolved
But then, when I think about the Marmot team, I am perhaps getting ahead of myself, but I feel like Ted and nanook both make sense independently and in tandem with one another, so I'm not really too paranoid about them right now. Which could be a major fault on my part.
On that thought, I suppose if Ted is Team Marmot then your theory has legs.
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]
What is this reaction?
You don't know what I think of your alignment, really?
I don't have anything negative on ted, personally. He has a lot of suspicion from various players, and so he's probably bad I guess. I wouldn't defend him if he were going down to a yeet.

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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]
This feels like a thing where you are going to want to mildly thunderdome me with some big flexes, but just know that I'm going to bed right now.

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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]
I am just trying to assess where your head is at right now. You suggested that I look worse than the guy who currently has the most votes in the poll. That's a little alarming and ego-bruising.Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:03 amWhat is this reaction?
You don't know what I think of your alignment, really?
I don't have anything negative on ted, personally. He has a lot of suspicion from various players, and so he's probably bad I guess. I wouldn't defend him if he were going down to a yeet.
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]
It is not that at all. I'm just trying to understand where you are at.
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]
it's notable to me that nanook, fingersplints, and ted (and oddmerta, to a lesser extent) are all on the TSP wagon. TSP has high equity to be a wolf but the majority of the people on his wagon are people that i've also found to have high wolf equity. that indicates to me that the POE is slightly off or that the teams are pushing against each other. i lean on the latter being the case, although it is just speculation until we see more flipsSloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:03 amThis is not a thought I'd had. It's interesting.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:56 am TSP is in a weird spot - it seems there's a consensus that TSP does not fit on Team Marmot (i need to go and verify this myself), but there is still a pretty huge push for him to be the chop today. if it's true that TSP is on the Other Team, i think it is entirely possible that part of the push against TSP is being driven/signal boosted by Marmot's team. This is something that I would like to come back to and analyze when TSP gets resolved
But then, when I think about the Marmot team, I am perhaps getting ahead of myself, but I feel like Ted and nanook both make sense independently and in tandem with one another, so I'm not really too paranoid about them right now. Which could be a major fault on my part.
On that thought, I suppose if Ted is Team Marmot then your theory has legs.
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]
Fingersplints has been my dark horse suspect, for lack of a better term. She's in the consensus POE, so it's not like she's off the radar, but if I am picking out one person from that group who makes the most sense as mafia, it's her. But I can't really identify what it is that makes me say that.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:07 amit's notable to me that nanook, fingersplints, and ted (and oddmerta, to a lesser extent) are all on the TSP wagon. TSP has high equity to be a wolf but the majority of the people on his wagon are people that i've also found to have high wolf equity. that indicates to me that the POE is slightly off or that the teams are pushing against each other. i lean on the latter being the case, although it is just speculation until we see more flipsSloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:03 amThis is not a thought I'd had. It's interesting.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:56 am TSP is in a weird spot - it seems there's a consensus that TSP does not fit on Team Marmot (i need to go and verify this myself), but there is still a pretty huge push for him to be the chop today. if it's true that TSP is on the Other Team, i think it is entirely possible that part of the push against TSP is being driven/signal boosted by Marmot's team. This is something that I would like to come back to and analyze when TSP gets resolved
But then, when I think about the Marmot team, I am perhaps getting ahead of myself, but I feel like Ted and nanook both make sense independently and in tandem with one another, so I'm not really too paranoid about them right now. Which could be a major fault on my part.
On that thought, I suppose if Ted is Team Marmot then your theory has legs.
I think I should try to listen to what she has to say some more. Thank you for guiding me to this decision, SPF. You're a true inspiration.
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]
it's all in a days workSloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:11 amFingersplints has been my dark horse suspect, for lack of a better term. She's in the consensus POE, so it's not like she's off the radar, but if I am picking out one person from that group who makes the most sense as mafia, it's her. But I can't really identify what it is that makes me say that.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:07 amit's notable to me that nanook, fingersplints, and ted (and oddmerta, to a lesser extent) are all on the TSP wagon. TSP has high equity to be a wolf but the majority of the people on his wagon are people that i've also found to have high wolf equity. that indicates to me that the POE is slightly off or that the teams are pushing against each other. i lean on the latter being the case, although it is just speculation until we see more flipsSloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:03 amThis is not a thought I'd had. It's interesting.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:56 am TSP is in a weird spot - it seems there's a consensus that TSP does not fit on Team Marmot (i need to go and verify this myself), but there is still a pretty huge push for him to be the chop today. if it's true that TSP is on the Other Team, i think it is entirely possible that part of the push against TSP is being driven/signal boosted by Marmot's team. This is something that I would like to come back to and analyze when TSP gets resolved
But then, when I think about the Marmot team, I am perhaps getting ahead of myself, but I feel like Ted and nanook both make sense independently and in tandem with one another, so I'm not really too paranoid about them right now. Which could be a major fault on my part.
On that thought, I suppose if Ted is Team Marmot then your theory has legs.
I think I should try to listen to what she has to say some more. Thank you for guiding me to this decision, SPF. You're a true inspiration.
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]
I liked his tone plus sheeped readSloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:33 amWhy was he probably town Day 1?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:32 amI thought he was probably town d1
I haven't read any of his posts since
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