Beelzebub The Benign scum win

[Long Con]

Um... I was calling HK a jerk there, not myself. It can be read two ways.

[Gavial]

Barring any major developments, it makes the most sense to solve Esooa's slot.

I still don't understand this. Why do we have to flip esooa? I'm aware that she voted for Marmot yesterday but she's not the only one who did that.

Go thru HK's ISO. Esooa pops up like 30 times, far more than any other player. They just reek of scum buds, look for yourself

soooo about this then

Well even outside of name pop ups, their interactions just look wolfy to me. Have you looked at them? What do you think?

Ima butt in.
I think that there very end EoD reactions isn’t something I’d expect a partner to do.
I also think your pushing for this way too much then you should be.

[Seanzie]

Esooa is where my vote would be if the deadline was right now. But the deadline isn’t for like 30 hours, so I’m on Long Con because he should be talked about too, according to the small portion of the game I’ve looked at.

Which portion of the game did you look at to lead you to pick out LC here?

Looks like Hollowkatt was defending me, the jerk.

Ah, it does look like HK didn't want to switch to you even though Samu was pushing for it. What is your read on Samu?

[Sloonei]

Esooa is where my vote would be if the deadline was right now. But the deadline isn’t for like 30 hours, so I’m on Long Con because he should be talked about too, according to the small portion of the game I’ve looked at.

Which portion of the game did you look at to lead you to pick out LC here?

Hollowkatt’s ISO

[Gavial]

Reading why people want to kill Esooa makes me think they are bullshitting. Those aren't real reasons someone would be mafia.

Though I have no reason looking at her game to call her town.

I think I'm going to reread some after class. And choose my best mafia read instead of reading bad opinions

I’ll realize from this point forward your an automated cube that doesn’t respond to others questions.
Thus I’ll just be judging you from your takes and what and how you say it. Even if I can’t have any reasoning from it.

However I’ll admit I do like this post.
And agree that BK/Falcon’s hit on Esooa do seem like BS.
I honestly just keep seeing things from Falcon that I just don’t like.
You probably won’t answer me but how do you feel about voting there?

[Sloonei]

Sloonei trying too hard for me, I can't handle someone who puts in effort nowadays

How serious is this post?

I haven't tried in so long

Okay. What is my alignment?

[Long Con]

Barring any major developments, it makes the most sense to solve Esooa's slot.

I still don't understand this. Why do we have to flip esooa? I'm aware that she voted for Marmot yesterday but she's not the only one who did that.

Go thru HK's ISO. Esooa pops up like 30 times, far more than any other player. They just reek of scum buds, look for yourself

soooo about this then

Well even outside of name pop ups, their interactions just look wolfy to me. Have you looked at them? What do you think?

Ima butt in.
I think that there very end EoD reactions isn’t something I’d expect a partner to do.
I also think your pushing for this way too much then you should be.

You might be right.

Esooa is where my vote would be if the deadline was right now. But the deadline isn’t for like 30 hours, so I’m on Long Con because he should be talked about too, according to the small portion of the game I’ve looked at.

Which portion of the game did you look at to lead you to pick out LC here?

Looks like Hollowkatt was defending me, the jerk.

Ah, it does look like HK didn't want to switch to you even though Samu was pushing for it. What is your read on Samu?

Samu looks better to me now, I think he's town.

[BoKnows]

[VOTE: Esooa] aubergine

[Gavial]

I didn't realize I was subbing into a game with a mafia member already in the bag. Sweet. I'll just do things this way then:

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Did y'all know that Beelzebub is one of the 7 Princes of Hell?

Did you know that Beelzebubba is one of the greatest punk rock albums of all time?

The other 6 Princes of Hell are Satan, Lucifer, Leviathon, Mammon, Belphegor & Asmodeus

Mammon also being often called the Son of Satan. Asmodeus was the name of the giant adder in the novel Redwall.

Two off-topic posts in an exchange with falcon to start the game. I'm inclined to say it means nothing.

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I think I'm town which is a little disappointing

your avi scares me. what do you mean you think you're town?

Awkward initial interaction with esooa. HK has a direct question for Esooa RE: a thing she said, but has to soften with an empty comment about her avatar first. Two totally separate thoughts crammed up against each other.

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@Alison I'll take a tarot read if you wanna do one

yeah ok I was asking for that wasn't I

hollowkatt asked for a broken image?

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If this is scum theatre this is the best I’ve ever seen.

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That hasn’t been done by me.

I find this hard to believe. I don't think there was anything special about Marmot's interaction with me. I think you are just pulling up random posts and slapping some semi-defensible comment on them to look solvey.

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

funny, I was gonna call him town lol

hollowkatt was gonna call Gavial town. For observing the possibility of scum theater. Idk. This might mean something. It might mean nothing.
I am Alison, so hooray I don't need to read that half of the interaction. Hollowkatt is publicly disagreed with her, so there's that to be mindful of.

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I think Samusamu is townie in ways that make him appear to be an easy push for mafia. I call this the Michelle-Timsup2nothin archetype. Of the people pushing him I find falcon's push most townie because it seems motivated by a mixture of paranoia and townie OMGUS. Urist and Gavial piling on are things that I am not a fan of at all.

not sure I'd lump Tim into that archetype. He's way more feisty than Michelle. Maybe call it the Michelle-Wisdom archetype and I'm in.
yes that means I think samusamu might be town. I'm not getting the weirdness from that conversation others are

hollowkatt nitpicks some non-game chatter from Alison instead of diving right into the samu read. HK's read eventually comes out as "I think samu might be town", which is not the most resounding confidence you'll ever see. Is that because hollowkatt is uncomfortable talking about a teammate, or are is it just stilted because hk is coming from an informed position in general? I'll be keeping an eye on samu in here, I guess.

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Urist looks pretty oppurtunistuc pouncing on Samu's and my interaction, calls us a w/w team before announcing he won't be back for awhile.


How do others see that?

somewhere between weak and lame

Townie points for Urist. This is harsher shade than I would expect a teammate to toss around so early in the game.

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why not take votes seriously though?

I mean, votes should always be considered for their meaning. I think the word "serious" isn't quite right. Samu's vote didn't look at all like it was meant to contribute to a TK of Falcon, and rarely are early D1 votes meant in that way. Instead they are more used to generate content and reactions. Samu naked voted Falcon, and then when pressed, asked Falcon what he thinks of that. That vote looks "non-serious" to be in the sense that I don't really think Samu was thinking about TKing Falcon there. If Samu is town, it was a reaction test, and if he is scum, I don't think he would cast a vote meant to stay there this early in D1.

Doing reaction tests like that IMO is >rand town, and Falcon taking the vote seriously enough to OMGUS Samu I think is >rand scum.

basically there's a difference between "I intend to kill you with this vote" and "I wonder what happens if I vote you here". There's also "this vote is literally for laughs" but that category is generally really obvs.

Can see how ppl are getting to wolfy falcon off of that.

I feel I shuold note here that I have read nothing and am not looking at these posts in the larger context of the thread. But looking at this post in a vacuum: seanzie is town, falcon is mafia. Seanzie's response to a general gripe from hollowkatt looks very sincere, like he's trying to correct what he sees as a misconception. The line about falcon feels tacked on and timid.

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If this is scum theatre this is the best I’ve ever seen.

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That hasn’t been done by me.

I find this hard to believe. I don't think there was anything special about Marmot's interaction with me. I think you are just pulling up random posts and slapping some semi-defensible comment on them to look solvey.

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

funny, I was gonna call him town lol

I think Samusamu is townie in ways that make him appear to be an easy push for mafia. I call this the Michelle-Timsup2nothin archetype. Of the people pushing him I find falcon's push most townie because it seems motivated by a mixture of paranoia and townie OMGUS. Urist and Gavial piling on are things that I am not a fan of at all.

not sure I'd lump Tim into that archetype. He's way more feisty than Michelle. Maybe call it the Michelle-Wisdom archetype and I'm in.
yes that means I think samusamu might be town. I'm not getting the weirdness from that conversation others are

What makes you TR me?
Also, By “weirdness” I’m assuming your not seeing the lack of genuineness that I see.
Alright, then do you just think Samu might be town for the same reason Alison has given “Easy ML” or do you have your own take regarding Samu?

I like your tone. Sure, wolves can fake tone, you might even be good at that I dunno, but I like it. I also like the way you're approaching things and leaving your thoughts on the table.

By weirdness I mean the clustery conversation he was a part of. I didn't read him as coming off weird or disingenuous.
my samu take is that I don't think he's doing/saying wolfy things. Has nothing to do with him being ML bait like Alison would say.

Light townie points for Gavial here. There's nothing here that can't possibly be a teammate interaction, but I feel his tone is genuinely inquisitive, and hk's response is wordy enough to look like a "real" answer, as opposed to a staged and obligatory response to a teammate.

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Gavial is doing way too much right now. extreme wolf vibes

why?

Generic "why" about a gavial scum read from Bo. Okay.

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Gavial is doing way too much right now. extreme wolf vibes

His wall posts look trippy on mushrooms right now

they look like wall posts on edibles.

This post does not need to exist. It is a barely-relevant observation made by falcon. Hollowkatt literally just rewords the comment. Why on earth does this exist?

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Gavial is doing way too much right now. extreme wolf vibes

why?

They're not sitting right with me. It feels like he's making something out of nothing.

Gavial is doing way too much right now. extreme wolf vibes

I do not feel extreme wolf vibes from Gavial.

See above for my reasoning.

Gavial is doing way too much right now. extreme wolf vibes

His wall posts look trippy on mushrooms right now

They confused me more than anyhting.

can you give an example or two of where he's trying to make something out of nothing? I'm seeing a lot of stream of consciousness stuff, not really seeing manufacturing stuff

hollowkatt is engaging heavily with the gavial suspicion. Could be a good sign for Gavial. There's an outside chance this is cooperative theater with Bo, but I don't think so. I think it looks like a mafiakatt trying to get a civilian Bo to do the legwork on a civilian chop.

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ok thanks. I can see how he gets to "one of falcon, seanzie, samusamu is a wolf". Seems like that's a fairly reasonable stance to take. Not thrilled with his "don't want to hit wrong" take tho, it's still early.
His second post you quote is meh to me. Can grok why you don't like it.
Third post is a throw-away in my book.

I guess I get what concerns you, so thanks, I appreciate it.

I would have voted for hollowkatt based off of this post. If any post ever gave off the vibes of talking at one's feet and shrugging one's shoulders, it's this one. Bo is town off of this, and I'll take that to the bank. hollowkatt appears to have no idea how to respond to this case naturally.
I am less sure what it says about Gavial now. The awkwardness of the response could be indicative of a Gavial/hollowkatt partnership, wherein HK regrets pushing so hard and getting an actual substantive case on their partner and now needs to find a way out of it. Or it could be that hollowkatt is trying to position themself in such a way that they can vote for Gavial if needed, but does not want to appear overly-eager in doing so. Gun to my head, I'm saying it's the latter.

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ok thanks. I can see how he gets to "one of falcon, seanzie, samusamu is a wolf". Seems like that's a fairly reasonable stance to take. Not thrilled with his "don't want to hit wrong" take tho, it's still early.
His second post you quote is meh to me. Can grok why you don't like it.
Third post is a throw-away in my book.

I guess I get what concerns you, so thanks, I appreciate it.

Yeah, but here's the thing...he's called out D1 voting and early play already as not being something to build legit reads on, right?


So why is he taking these early interactions so seriously himself and framing it "1 of these 3 is Maf"? Seems contradictory to his earlier stance, no?


His "don't wanna hit wrong" is total bullshit, that is not a townie mindset at all.


Pffft, real town obviously never wanna hit wrong, but its D1! Nobody is close to getting hit yet, and even if we were...its D1, hitting wrong happens.


He def seems a flame fanner fo sho.

fuck it I'm in [VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

Okay Gavial town. Falcon TBD, still. I could see a world where this is a teammate goading another into voting for a vulnerable townie. But... as I type that sentence, I'm not sure that ever actually happens. Maybe falcon town too. I still don't know.

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Idk I'm just shocked someone is already talking w/w about two people having a quick interaction.

I’m just saying don’t rule it out.
The person who said exact they think it’s w/w was Urist.
But I suppose I can’t blame yeah as you could have missed that post considering Urist only has a grand total of 2 posts.

odds on urist wolf if either of those two flip town?

I'm not sure I understand what's happening here, but Urist is still town.

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I was gonna say there could be no wolves at all and they are just lying in the back but then I realize that TSP/Urist/Doom/Jessie as the team is kinda dumb.

why's that?

like say you've got a chunk of townies having at it with each other, why step in the middle of that? Why not rumble in later and go "eh, this all looks dumb/theater/performative" and push based on that?

I am about ready to lock Gavial in as town now too.

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so who are wolves

ur face

Silly banter with TSP. Noted.

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hk your pfp is my phone background for approximately 16 weeks every year

attention everyone: TSP gets a free pass today

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idk if it's just me but there's way too many big quote chains and discussions only pertinent to the couple people involved

Why do you town read Samu?

because he made like ten posts in a row about that one guy everyone is talking about and he has no reason to do that as mafia

That’s ugh....
Dumb?

Anyone can make a post about anything.
It ain’t AI mate.

but I'm right

anything else that makes you like him cause that is kinda weaksauce

This can be the beginnings of a teammate interaction with Esooa.

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The only powerwolfing Gavial is doing is effectively making me want to play less

What is Gavial doing? There have been a few posts of his that have irked me a bit, but you seem to be bothered to a pretty big degree and I don't understand why.

It's the annoying attitude, behind someone who is spam posting the thread with a read on me. I feel forced to interact with him, and then during the times he has brought me up it comes with some "I know better than you" tone. I just wish people wouldn't act so confident and annoying at the same time. I'm only talking about it because he's literally been 95% of the game recently

straight up: do you wolf read Gavial? if you do, why?
like ok, clearly he wolf reads you, and that seems to bother you, I guess? It sounds to me like the crux of the reason you wolf read him is because he's loud and he wolf reads you and he's confident in what he's posting, right? Or am I missing something else?

This does not feel like a teammate interaction with DaughterOfOmega. Hollowkatt's tone is very blunt, getting down to business and forcing a response out of DoOm. The way it's framed makes me think hollowkatt is hoping this can snowball into a suspicion.

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The only powerwolfing Gavial is doing is effectively making me want to play less

What is Gavial doing? There have been a few posts of his that have irked me a bit, but you seem to be bothered to a pretty big degree and I don't understand why.

It's the annoying attitude, behind someone who is spam posting the thread with a read on me. I feel forced to interact with him, and then during the times he has brought me up it comes with some "I know better than you" tone. I just wish people wouldn't act so confident and annoying at the same time. I'm only talking about it because he's literally been 95% of the game recently

straight up: do you wolf read Gavial? if you do, why?
like ok, clearly he wolf reads you, and that seems to bother you, I guess? It sounds to me like the crux of the reason you wolf read him is because he's loud and he wolf reads you and he's confident in what he's posting, right? Or am I missing something else?

See this is where you are missing things. If I thought someone was mafia, I have no reason to be bothered with their behavior, I get to just vote them and ignore their posts.

The issue is I clearly don't know. I used to be very annoying and confident as a town player, and he reminds me a lot of that. These kind of players are usually doing these things as town, so I am forced to interact with a likely town member who wants to push me in the dumbest way possible.

I would have figured you were smart enough to realize this without asking if I think he is mafia.

going to ignore the snark at the end and just focus on your answer.
You town read Gavial then, is your answer. You're annoyed with him then b/c you think he's town and you think he's anti-town with the way he's making pushes/engaging with others/interacting with the thread. Would that be accurate?

It reads to me that you're offended that he wolf reads you, which is just like super weird to me. Instead of engaging with him and finding out why he's wolf reading you and seeing if you and him can work something out you're kinda snippy about him and vagueposting about how much fun you're not having.

am I wrong?

Okay yeah Doomtown.
Extended exchanges with DoOm and Gavial that I'm not gonna waste time on because they are both town.

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If you are being serious, work on your ability to analyze the game

Is this directed at anyone in particular or do you just kinda think everyone who isn't you is shite?

I can't speak for DoO, but I assume it's the latter.
I do think that's more of a townie mindset for her though. I don't disagree with the points you're making about her *in general*, but I don't think they apply to DoO.

tbh I want to wolf read her for it. mostly b/c I've done what she's doing as wolf, and I've had it done to me. It's kinda effective b/c as long as you're not crossing the line from "annoyed and responding with snark and sarcasm" into "actually insulting people" it gets people who sus you to back off.

Outside of her interactions with me/Gavial what's your take on DoO? I know my read on her is currently clouded by my recent interactions.

You "want" to wolf read her? Are you wolf reading her, or no?

I wolf read AtE

I'll call seanzie town too. This is a solid nitpick, and hollowkatt's response looks a bit uneasy.

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Seanzie & Gavial are top scum for me.


[VOTE: VOTE SEANZIE] aubergine

spicy
why are they top scum?

Falcon continues to be a big juicy Maybe.

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I will proceed by not voting myself because this game sucks

lock town never rescinding

Does this post exist if Esooa and hollowkatt are partners? Idk. I'm gonna go ahead and remind myself that I jotted down a note that "this could be the beginnings of a teammate interaction with Esooa" a few posts ago, but then there was no follow-up to that, which makes me squint my eyes and/or furrow my brow.

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yeah yeah voted in the poll.
@Esooa why are you self-voting and how did I miss that?

Marmot had (jokingly) self-voted a few minutes prior and HK responded as if they were obligated to vote for him in response. Then hollowkatt notices Esooa has self-voted and extends to her the good grace of asking for an explanation.

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yeah yeah voted in the poll.
@Esooa why are you self-voting and how did I miss that?

because I lied when I said I will proceed to not vote myself

all you need now is some ate and you can complete the trifecta of bad! Also I'm voting you now

Meh. This is stilted and not serious and there continues to be no reason Esooa cannot be hollowkatt's teammate.

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where I'm at:
town
Gavail
Marmot
Sam

leans town
Doom
Esooa

everyone else is some flavor of POE or another, or I'm not paying attention

If we're following the rule that a member of the mafia team will always include at least one teammate in their lists, then I'm picking Esooa here. Marmot has already flipped. DaughterOfOmega and Gavial both look hella town in this ISO. Samu has looked vaguely-but-less-definitively town. Esooa has been iffy at best throughout.

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Seanzie & Gavial are top scum for me.


[VOTE: VOTE SEANZIE] aubergine

Care to elaborate?

I found his approach to Samu's & I the most opphrtunistic

What did you find opportunistic about it? And does that mean you town read Samu then?

This could be another example of a mafioso trying to get a civilian do the the heavy lifting on justifying a suspicion. Or it could be a phony interaction with a teammate (falcon). I continue to DK.

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anyways I'm gay

we know... also ur a wolf

Yuck. I might just believe this post.

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Alison - Null
Doom - Null
Esooa - Town
Falcon - Scum
Gavial - Scum
Hollowkatt - Town
JessieKruger - Null
Long Con - Null
Marmot - Mixed feelings
Samusamu - Town
Seanzie - Town
Tsp - Null
Urist - Town

Why so many nulls?

and also how are you getting to scum on Gavial? / town on Seanzie?

Why is seanzie the lead wagon?

cause he's kinda scummy

These three posts in quick succession make me feel good about Bo. These are all relatively small moments, and I feel like the only way hollowkatt/bo are teammates is if they felt like they needed to interact more in the thread, so HK just decided to spam responses to Bo. I don't think that's what's happening. Particularly because it's not as if these two haven't interacted already. Bo's name hasn't been as present as others, but I remember it coming up a bit fairly early on. And also, these interactions do not have a clear direction. I think when teammates interact, they tend to do so with purpose. These are all posts where HK is just sort of tapping Bo on the shoulder. The last one especially feels like a non-teammate response: If Teammate A asks why a player is the top wagon, I don't think Teammate B response with such a nothing, unserious response. I think hollowkatt would be more likely to give a more substantive response, or just not respond at all.

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Pretty sure Hollowkatt/Esooa is a thing, and Hollowkatt just slipped. They probably planned to flip to me in wolf chat, and Hollowkatt forgot what order it went in.

yeah, we had a big theater thing cooked up in wolf chat and then oops, hk made a boo boo...

If I haven't already said this, Seanzie is lock town. Esooa can still be mafia.

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Fairly confident their the designated ML right now

you think Falcon is a better hit than Seanz then? Sell me on why Falcon

Maybe this could finally be indicative of a town falcon. Hollowkatt appears to be genuinely opening the door to voting for Falcon if this seanzie thing falters.
I'll call Bo town for this

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Well the lc wagon is still in offer.

I have bad feelings about this offer

Hm. Samu town, maybe. Do teammates disagree like this about wagons so close to the deadline? I don't think so. And this is the first time I've seen Long Con get any sort of mention in HK's ISO. So there's that.

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hk, urist, samu and I can agree on a wagon to put over hk

I have few preferences

give your names

Obvs I think seanzie. I'm leery of the LC offer from Samu b/c I don't have a particularly strong read on either of them in either direction. You're off the table. I still like Marmot as town even though I think his push on me is bad and based in bad reads/information

Yeah Samu town. LC maybe mafia.

Nothing that happens after this point changes my feelings about anyone.

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tl;dr - Esooa and Long Con potential suspects.
Falcon gets a lot of shrugs, but with a gun to my head I would lean town.

Seanzie, urist, samu, Bo, Gavial, DaughterOfOmega are all firm town reads from this. Maybe someone else that I'm for.

And that leaves TSP as the only player I haven't named yet!

Seanzie
Gavial
DaughterOfOmega
Urist
Samu
BoKnows
Falcon
TonyStarkPrime
Long Con
Esooa

Town.

[Long Con]

[VOTE: urist] aubergine

[Gavial]

I trust Sloon.

[Seanzie]

Esooa is where my vote would be if the deadline was right now. But the deadline isn’t for like 30 hours, so I’m on Long Con because he should be talked about too, according to the small portion of the game I’ve looked at.

Which portion of the game did you look at to lead you to pick out LC here?

Hollowkatt’s ISO

In the posts you quoted, almost none of them were about LC except that last one where HK doesn't seem to want to move to LC. Is that the only post that you want to push LC over?

[Sloonei]

Damn y’all, if you must quote my wall can you at least hide it behind a spoiler? It’s bad enough that I posted it once.

[Gavial]

[VOTE: urist] aubergine

Marmot TR’ed Urist even up to his own yeet.
Despite Urist SRing Marmot.
Not saying it clears Urist but it is a sign that Urist can easily be Town.

I’d suggest a Falcon vote.

@Sloonei
Would you be willing to vote Falcon with me?
IMO I think Falcon/Esooa are never W/W so if Falcon flips Scum then we can almost clear Esooa.

[Gavial]

Damn y’all, if you must quote my wall can you at least hide it behind a spoiler? It’s bad enough that I posted it once.

My apologies.

[Gavial]

If there’s a missing NK tonight and 4 Mafia die and the game still continues.
I’m calling Sean BP SK and yeeting them.
Because Sean is never Mafia and they are only not Town in exactly that situation.
I doubt this but I consider this.

[Gavial]

Wel maybe not, I’d need to know for sure all Maf are dead

[Sloonei]

Esooa is where my vote would be if the deadline was right now. But the deadline isn’t for like 30 hours, so I’m on Long Con because he should be talked about too, according to the small portion of the game I’ve looked at.

Which portion of the game did you look at to lead you to pick out LC here?

Hollowkatt’s ISO

In the posts you quoted, almost none of them were about LC except that last one where HK doesn't seem to want to move to LC. Is that the only post that you want to push LC over?

hollowkatt’s ISO painted over half the game as town in my opinion. That leaves me with only three or four suspects based purely on that exercise. Outside of Esooa, those “suspects” are really just “no reason to town read.” Hollowkatt resisted a vote for Long Con towards the end of the day after saying nothing about him prior to that. When just about everyone else looks town, LC’s relative absence stands out. When he makes an abrupt appearance as someone that hollowkatt did not want to vote for at the deadline, he stands out even more.

However, I want to also temper the idea that I “want to push LC over.” My vote is on him to emphasize that he is someone who I think should be talked about right now. From what I’ve glimpsed, Esooa is already a topic of discussion, so I do not need to emphasize her. My vote at this stage is not about “who I want to chop”, it is about emphasizing things for discussion.

[Sloonei]

Damn y’all, if you must quote my wall can you at least hide it behind a spoiler? It’s bad enough that I posted it once.

My apologies.

You were the third person to do it, I don’t mean to yell at you specifically. I’m just self-conscious about being too loud

[BoKnows]

If there’s a missing NK tonight and 4 Mafia die and the game still continues.
I’m calling Sean BP SK and yeeting them.
Because Sean is never Mafia and they are only not Town in exactly that situation.
I doubt this but I consider this.

If this game is still going on after we yeet 4 mafia than it's horribly balanced.

[BoKnows]

[VOTE: urist] aubergine

Marmot TR’ed Urist even up to his own yeet.
Despite Urist SRing Marmot.
Not saying it clears Urist but it is a sign that Urist can easily be Town.

I’d suggest a Falcon vote.

@Sloonei
Would you be willing to vote Falcon with me?
IMO I think Falcon/Esooa are never W/W so if Falcon flips Scum then we can almost clear Esooa.

Why are you so against an Esooa yeet?

[Sloonei]

I am assuming a mafia team of 3. That is the standard for a heist of this size.

[Long Con]

[VOTE: urist] aubergine

Marmot TR’ed Urist even up to his own yeet.
Despite Urist SRing Marmot.
Not saying it clears Urist but it is a sign that Urist can easily be Town.

I’d suggest a Falcon vote.

@Sloonei
Would you be willing to vote Falcon with me?
IMO I think Falcon/Esooa are never W/W so if Falcon flips Scum then we can almost clear Esooa.

I guess, it's not like Marmot had any info, or infallible skills.

One thing I noticed in Urist's ISO is when Samu asked him for a game link, he provided one, and Samu didn't ever seem to look at it, he looked at yours and then was upset he thought it was Urist's and that's it. Which makes Samu look worse and Urist look better.

[Long Con]

Alison town

Care to explain your thoughts on this and DoO?

Alison would care more as mafia

Maybe she's mafia that ended up caring enough.

[Sloonei]

I think Alison is town

[Long Con]

@Sloonei did your HK interactions contain this post??

If you are being serious, work on your ability to analyze the game

Is this directed at anyone in particular or do you just kinda think everyone who isn't you is shite?

I can't speak for DoO, but I assume it's the latter.
I do think that's more of a townie mindset for her though. I don't disagree with the points you're making about her *in general*, but I don't think they apply to DoO.

tbh I want to wolf read her for it. mostly b/c I've done what she's doing as wolf, and I've had it done to me. It's kinda effective b/c as long as you're not crossing the line from "annoyed and responding with snark and sarcasm" into "actually insulting people" it gets people who sus you to back off.

Outside of her interactions with me/Gavial what's your take on DoO? I know my read on her is currently clouded by my recent interactions.

You "want" to wolf read her? Are you wolf reading her, or no?

I can't speak for hollowkatt but it seems pretty clear from his posts that he is scumreading her.
This just looks like an attempt to throw shade at hk.

[Seanzie]

Esooa is where my vote would be if the deadline was right now. But the deadline isn’t for like 30 hours, so I’m on Long Con because he should be talked about too, according to the small portion of the game I’ve looked at.

Which portion of the game did you look at to lead you to pick out LC here?

Hollowkatt’s ISO

In the posts you quoted, almost none of them were about LC except that last one where HK doesn't seem to want to move to LC. Is that the only post that you want to push LC over?

hollowkatt’s ISO painted over half the game as town in my opinion. That leaves me with only three or four suspects based purely on that exercise. Outside of Esooa, those “suspects” are really just “no reason to town read.” Hollowkatt resisted a vote for Long Con towards the end of the day after saying nothing about him prior to that. When just about everyone else looks town, LC’s relative absence stands out. When he makes an abrupt appearance as someone that hollowkatt did not want to vote for at the deadline, he stands out even more.

However, I want to also temper the idea that I “want to push LC over.” My vote is on him to emphasize that he is someone who I think should be talked about right now. From what I’ve glimpsed, Esooa is already a topic of discussion, so I do not need to emphasize her. My vote at this stage is not about “who I want to chop”, it is about emphasizing things for discussion.

Hmm, okay. I liked your HK ISO analysis, but the fact that you voted LC right after declaring Esooa your top suspect really pinged me. I do agree though that I'd like to see more from LC.

I feel like if Sloonei was a wolf repping into this game D2 and Esooa was town, then Sloonei would just push Esooa here and not bother with LC, so I think Sloonei/Esooa are not w/t. If Esooa flips wolf though, this LC vote I think is pretty questionable.

[Long Con]

I think Alison is town

[Sloonei]

Esooa is where my vote would be if the deadline was right now. But the deadline isn’t for like 30 hours, so I’m on Long Con because he should be talked about too, according to the small portion of the game I’ve looked at.

Which portion of the game did you look at to lead you to pick out LC here?

Hollowkatt’s ISO

In the posts you quoted, almost none of them were about LC except that last one where HK doesn't seem to want to move to LC. Is that the only post that you want to push LC over?

hollowkatt’s ISO painted over half the game as town in my opinion. That leaves me with only three or four suspects based purely on that exercise. Outside of Esooa, those “suspects” are really just “no reason to town read.” Hollowkatt resisted a vote for Long Con towards the end of the day after saying nothing about him prior to that. When just about everyone else looks town, LC’s relative absence stands out. When he makes an abrupt appearance as someone that hollowkatt did not want to vote for at the deadline, he stands out even more.

However, I want to also temper the idea that I “want to push LC over.” My vote is on him to emphasize that he is someone who I think should be talked about right now. From what I’ve glimpsed, Esooa is already a topic of discussion, so I do not need to emphasize her. My vote at this stage is not about “who I want to chop”, it is about emphasizing things for discussion.

Hmm, okay. I liked your HK ISO analysis, but the fact that you voted LC right after declaring Esooa your top suspect really pinged me. I do agree though that I'd like to see more from LC.

I feel like if Sloonei was a wolf repping into this game D2 and Esooa was town, then Sloonei would just push Esooa here and not bother with LC, so I think Sloonei/Esooa are not w/t. If Esooa flips wolf though, this LC vote I think is pretty questionable.

I would like to draw your attention to the second paragraph in my post.

[Seanzie]

Esooa is where my vote would be if the deadline was right now. But the deadline isn’t for like 30 hours, so I’m on Long Con because he should be talked about too, according to the small portion of the game I’ve looked at.

Which portion of the game did you look at to lead you to pick out LC here?

Hollowkatt’s ISO

In the posts you quoted, almost none of them were about LC except that last one where HK doesn't seem to want to move to LC. Is that the only post that you want to push LC over?

hollowkatt’s ISO painted over half the game as town in my opinion. That leaves me with only three or four suspects based purely on that exercise. Outside of Esooa, those “suspects” are really just “no reason to town read.” Hollowkatt resisted a vote for Long Con towards the end of the day after saying nothing about him prior to that. When just about everyone else looks town, LC’s relative absence stands out. When he makes an abrupt appearance as someone that hollowkatt did not want to vote for at the deadline, he stands out even more.

However, I want to also temper the idea that I “want to push LC over.” My vote is on him to emphasize that he is someone who I think should be talked about right now. From what I’ve glimpsed, Esooa is already a topic of discussion, so I do not need to emphasize her. My vote at this stage is not about “who I want to chop”, it is about emphasizing things for discussion.

Hmm, okay. I liked your HK ISO analysis, but the fact that you voted LC right after declaring Esooa your top suspect really pinged me. I do agree though that I'd like to see more from LC.

I feel like if Sloonei was a wolf repping into this game D2 and Esooa was town, then Sloonei would just push Esooa here and not bother with LC, so I think Sloonei/Esooa are not w/t. If Esooa flips wolf though, this LC vote I think is pretty questionable.

I would like to draw your attention to the second paragraph in my post.

Yes, I read that, and if you're town, that makes sense. I can't just take your word on your motivations though since if you are a wolf, your actions also fit with possibly trying to save wolf!Esooa here.

[Samusamu]

Barring any major developments, it makes the most sense to solve Esooa's slot.

I still don't understand this. Why do we have to flip esooa? I'm aware that she voted for Marmot yesterday but she's not the only one who did that.

Go thru HK's ISO. Esooa pops up like 30 times, far more than any other player. They just reek of scum buds, look for yourself

soooo about this then

Well even outside of name pop ups, their interactions just look wolfy to me. Have you looked at them? What do you think?

Ima butt in.
I think that there very end EoD reactions isn’t something I’d expect a partner to do.
I also think your pushing for this way too much then you should be.

You might be right.

Esooa is where my vote would be if the deadline was right now. But the deadline isn’t for like 30 hours, so I’m on Long Con because he should be talked about too, according to the small portion of the game I’ve looked at.

Which portion of the game did you look at to lead you to pick out LC here?

Looks like Hollowkatt was defending me, the jerk.

Ah, it does look like HK didn't want to switch to you even though Samu was pushing for it. What is your read on Samu?

Samu looks better to me now, I think he's town.

Since what moment?

Just for answering tu urist that his "push" on me is weird o there is something else?

[Samusamu]

If there’s a missing NK tonight and 4 Mafia die and the game still continues.
I’m calling Sean BP SK and yeeting them.
Because Sean is never Mafia and they are only not Town in exactly that situation.
I doubt this but I consider this.

Ehh?

[Samusamu]

I think Alison is town

Hey, i remember that i asked you some questions

[DaughterOfOmega]

Sloonei trying too hard for me, I can't handle someone who puts in effort nowadays

How serious is this post?

I haven't tried in so long

Okay. What is my alignment?

how the fuck would I know

I think if LC is mafia, you look decent

If LC is town, the flip would mean nothing

[falcon45ca]

I trust Sloon.

[VOTE: urist] aubergine

Marmot TR’ed Urist even up to his own yeet.
Despite Urist SRing Marmot.
Not saying it clears Urist but it is a sign that Urist can easily be Town.

I’d suggest a Falcon vote.

@Sloonei
Would you be willing to vote Falcon with me?
IMO I think Falcon/Esooa are never W/W so if Falcon flips Scum then we can almost clear Esooa.

Sloon has me as a town lean.



Of course we're not w/w, I'm town.


You're literally looking at the game trying to prove your beliefs, and totally ignoring the things that don't support your beliefs.


Guess what? Your read on Marmot sucked, your read on me sucks, and I'm pretty sure your read on Esooa sucks.


But whatever, you do you. Very frustrating to play with

[Sloonei]

Sloonei trying too hard for me, I can't handle someone who puts in effort nowadays

How serious is this post?

I haven't tried in so long

Okay. What is my alignment?

how the fuck would I know

I think if LC is mafia, you look decent

If LC is town, the flip would mean nothing

I was asking if you had a read on me at this very second. Your posture towards me is confusing.

[DaughterOfOmega]

Sloonei trying too hard for me, I can't handle someone who puts in effort nowadays

How serious is this post?

I haven't tried in so long

Okay. What is my alignment?

how the fuck would I know

I think if LC is mafia, you look decent

If LC is town, the flip would mean nothing

I was asking if you had a read on me at this very second. Your posture towards me is confusing.

A classic read I learned on MU, if there's a TLDR post, you lean them town and go back later when it matters

[TonyStarkPrime]

I think your analysis on Esooa is wrong and I don’t even think that that strongly

I have no analysis on Esooa. I have analysis on hollowkatt on esooa.

wolfy pedantry

I just cleared 6 or 7 players in my first real post of the game.

what do you think the odds are that you're right

[Sloonei]

I think your analysis on Esooa is wrong and I don’t even think that that strongly

I have no analysis on Esooa. I have analysis on hollowkatt on esooa.

wolfy pedantry

I just cleared 6 or 7 players in my first real post of the game.

what do you think the odds are that you're right

I’m just saying that if I’m mafia that’s a silly way to enter as a substitute.

[Sloonei]

@Seanzie what are your thoughts on Long Con?

[Samusamu]

Sloonei trying too hard for me, I can't handle someone who puts in effort nowadays

How serious is this post?

I haven't tried in so long

Okay. What is my alignment?

how the fuck would I know

I think if LC is mafia, you look decent

If LC is town, the flip would mean nothing

I was asking if you had a read on me at this very second. Your posture towards me is confusing.

A classic read I learned on MU, if there's a TLDR post, you lean them town and go back later when it matters

I will use that sentence in some moment of my life.

[TonyStarkPrime]

i happen to agree

[TonyStarkPrime]

but what are the odds that you're right

[DaughterOfOmega]

Town: Doom, Sloonei, Esooa, Gavial, BoKnows, Seanzie, SamuSamu

The POE:Urist, Falcon, Tsp, LC (trusting the best mafia player)

[DaughterOfOmega]

I think your analysis on Esooa is wrong and I don’t even think that that strongly

I have no analysis on Esooa. I have analysis on hollowkatt on esooa.

wolfy pedantry

I just cleared 6 or 7 players in my first real post of the game.

what do you think the odds are that you're right

I’m just saying that if I’m mafia that’s a silly way to enter as a substitute.

And what do veteran players say in response?

If a player is publicly posting that their opening is something a mafia doesn't do, is exactly what a mafia would open with.

[Sloonei]

but what are the odds that you're right

I have read less than a quarter of this game.

[DaughterOfOmega]

Sloonei knows better than that. I'd hope at least, maybe he is playing against weak competition though. I have been retired for a long time I guess.

[TonyStarkPrime]

ok fair

[Long Con]

@bestmafiaplayer, did you miss this post? https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 39#p769527

It's a bad look for Urist with respect to HK, and not great for Sloonei if he chose not to include it in his wall.

[DaughterOfOmega]

@bestmafiaplayer, did you miss this post? https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 39#p769527

It's a bad look for Urist with respect to HK, and not great for Sloonei if he chose not to include it in his wall.

Spicy