Modern Family Hydra Mafia [GAME END]

[Toopy and Binoo]

R.I.P Thread.

-Toopy

[Julinook]

hmmmyes i roleblocked a PoE villager and didnt just claim town roleblocker

[VOTE: timsuptogettingserious] aubergine

i refuse to believe this is a real thought

yeah you caught me good job

[Julinook]

I'm pretty much flying solo for awhile at least, will be doing my best to keep up. If someone wants to volunteer to neighborize me and keep me updated that would be cool

[Julinook]

Also,
Julinook/Akemi/Mana probably contains the 3rd scum unless TAT was actual scum and knew I was fake because I said I had vanalizer and it can’t be in play or something.

incredible. every time I'm blown away by the new heights reached.

It is pretty impressive

[Julinook]

alison/nutella is probably right and if town isn't lying. if no one claims to have blocked mana i see no particularly good reason why we shouldn't chop mana.

I don't think this is correct in this case

[Julinook]

hate that lock list ngl

why?

i'm almost positive you're slot's a villager

i'm clearing poop explosions for mech/their push on me/general approach to this dayphase

and i'm clearing toopy and binoo for their claim because their interactions within it seem exceptionally genuine

i know you have some conflict with toopy and binoo but i'm like extremely confident they're a villager

I'm reasonably sure bodyguard isn't a clearing claim

[Julinook]

Its definitely an ignore for a bit and see what happens claim, but I don't think its clearing

[Julinook]

Someone reply to this
Making sure my posts are still visible

Such narcissism, uwu

[Julinook]

can't be a game from me without shrooping once. that's nai for me specifically btw. that's the main things i needed to note about hyena's gameplay anyways.

Shroop reads are maybe the dumbest ones

[Julinook]

I think it’s better to get rid of the lovers now, rather then have them sit in LYLO.

-Toopy

I'm breaking my policy of not talking to this slot just to say holy shit no this is a terrible thought

[Julinook]

Not that they can't be pushed today (probably shouldn't be but that's a different thought), but you can't just be like "they should be policy killed!" Thats pretty bad

[Julinook]

-Toooopy

this is a surprisingly high level of self-awareness

~mawile

It is not

[Julinook]

-Toooopy

this is a surprisingly high level of self-awareness

~mawile

It is not

I can't dictate what's surprising to you, but I am not surprised

[Julinook]

I think I made it pretty clear when I was moving my vote without alison's input, hyena i think youre reading too much into things that are unrelated

They are unrelated, but that's why I think you could be scum. I think you're playing opportunistically rather than with any set agenda, and I think you're pushes on people have been pretty bad.

Thats a townie thing for nutella at least

[Julinook]

Id like to thank everyone for not posting while I caught up and making it easier, I appreciate it greatly

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

Id like to thank everyone for not posting while I caught up and making it easier, I appreciate it greatly

You're welcome

[trans rights]

i wish falconknows actually responded to my posts regarding them. i don’t feel great about them flipping w but that further sours my read on them.

[FalconKnows]

i wish falconknows actually responded to my posts regarding them. i don’t feel great about them flipping w but that further sours my read on them.

what you want to know?

[Mana]

I'm made, catching up in real time, let's have some fun!!!

how are we actually being pushed right now? we have no idea what two and through actually was, but i think the role that janitored them was probably a wolf role. that's not really alignment indicative for them though. seriously though, either of two and through or bottom text being a wolf clears us straight up, along with being the top poster yesterday.

stop mindlessly tunneling my friend.

I really disagree with this take, based on experience more than anything, I feel like it's most likely that Two and through was bad (or 3p) than anything else. Why would scum want to obscure two and through? I just don't see the reasoning.

That said, I don't see scum making this argument, so good look for trans rights.

[Mana]

frankly i think me prewriting a shitpost is extremely town AI of me but haters won't agree

assuming Esooa, I feel this is true, but still firmly in scum range. It's not hard to fake, and it's hilarious regardless of AI

[Mana]

It's been literally seven minutes and I'm already feeling myself getting tilted

mafia is fun

~mawile

Hi! This is Made! Myst, Have we played together? I know I've played with Vanity before.

[Mana]

anyone know how to train Pokemon? I'm at the 8th gym but my Pokemon are all undertrained.

do you remember what everyone did at preteen dances in school when the teachers weren't looking

that

I just got this

[Mana]

Two & through could have been n0 janitor'd or something.
Or d1 janitored when they were a big wagon.
Also possible they were a wolf with a passive self janitor yeah.
I don't think we should play as if he was obv a wolf.

first person to push back on T&T as scum. Not sure what that means, but notable.

[Mana]

yes we are phil dunphy

Called it

how did you know? also what does it matter?

Bc phil is a magician and is the most likely to have a janitor ability

we are a bodyguard actually

Bodyguard as in you protect the person you target or just protection from kills?

[Mana]

i think toopy and binoo are incredibly unlikely to make this claim as a wolf.

I'll agree with this. 2 town found, few more to go and we're solved

[Mana]

We agreed AH and H&V are town with basically no discussion. I'm not sure what changed Mac's mind either.

H&V are town

Yeah, no, fuck that. Practically everyone ignored H&V's existence yesterday. You don't get to come in here and suddenly have a read on them. I'm calling bullshit. I bet you didn't even read a single post of their's.

- Hyena

Why don't you go into more detail about H&V. Talk to me about them.

Mostly a conviction + meta thing, Urist's basically playing his own game of mafia in his corner of the thread and he believes in what he's doing.

And in this week's screening of disingenuous cases, we have "You can't have a confident read on this slot if not enough other people were talking about them".

A lot of good interactions info in this post I think. I don't see Poop and synhyena being teammates here. I also don't see Poop and H&V being teamates here.

so fun logic gate bs!

if Poop scum -> HV & Tim Town
If HV or(inclusive) Tim Scum -> Poop town

Don't think there's enough info to make any sorta relationship guesses between H&V and Tim here tho

[Mana]

We sent them this:
Hello Two and Through! We are the Traitor!
We passively medium a mafia the phase after they die.
We also have a 1-Shot Vanillaizer that we can only use if a dead mafia tells us who to use it on!
If you need proof, we softed traitor in 1202 hoping maybe a scummate would pick up on it
Can you tell us who we should Vanalize and maybe also tell us your scum team? Just so we don’t end up pushing them.
Don’t worry we will avenge you!

They responded with this:
“We passively medium a mafia the phase after they die."
This is obviously a lie since we were town...nice try.

yeah i don't believe this at all

If you don't believe them, why not vote here?

[Mana]

Don’t like the fact your trying to make people think that TAT could be scum.
Seems like wolf tactic Tbh.
But Binoo has you in their towncore.

Question to thread: Does mafia have something material to gain out of pretend that TAT is town if they were scum? assuming TAT is mafia helps scum assuming it's not true, but i don't see how the other way around benefits town.

Also, based on the fact that I'm a one shot, all the claims so far have been one shots, and the fact that no one has yet claimed to know why T&T didn't flip, we can assume the nonflip is scum motivated.

[Mana]

Why wouldn't TAT give their role if they were town

Why wouldn’t they just give me their scum team if they were Mafia?

because there is no incentive to

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I don't see why Syn/Hyena are so frustrated here. Weird look imo

[Mana]

Why wouldn't TAT give their role if they were town

Why wouldn’t they just give me their scum team if they were Mafia?

because there is no incentive to

sdflkdskfsdfklsdfjkskjsdkjdsjk

Yeah there is.
They’d want me to use my fake ability I have so Town loses a PR.

maybe if they have brain worms

oh nvm i get it, they're roleplaying Tim

[Mana]

Should I do that thing where I believe someone's self meta town perspective just because they provided links, without actually clicking on the links? Obviously no.
Will I?

Townie post

this could deff be w/w tbh

[FalconKnows]

i wish falconknows actually responded to my posts regarding them. i don’t feel great about them flipping w but that further sours my read on them.

i wish falconknows actually responded to my posts regarding them. i don’t feel great about them flipping w but that further sours my read on them.

what you want to know?

Yeah, what Bo said. Whatcha wanna know?

[Mana]

Two & through could have been n0 janitor'd or something.
Or d1 janitored when they were a big wagon.
Also possible they were a wolf with a passive self janitor yeah.
I don't think we should play as if he was obv a wolf.

why did I read this as tmi

H&V's train of thought to get to this conclusion mirrors mine perfectly, which makes me think that Falconknows seeing this reasoning as tmi is scummy

[trans rights]

i wish falconknows actually responded to my posts regarding them. i don’t feel great about them flipping w but that further sours my read on them.

what you want to know?

did you read my posts regarding you on the last page? because i threw out why i thought you were a wolf, and the interactions i had a problem with regarding you, and you did nothing with it.

yes, i get it. having no sense of direction in a game isn't a wolftell. it's absolutely nai, and could be village indicative based on meta. but this doesn't tell me anything on its face. some wolves like to blend and try and coast to late game. some wolves like to dive into the trenches and misdefenestrate villagers. some wolves like bussing to try and garner cred. it's not as if you don't fit into the first archetype at all, and the only village archetype i can think for you is the quiet type of villager that's overwhelmed by the amount of information in the thread. but i don't even think that would be accurate to your gameplay; i'm not getting the sense that the current gamestate confuses you and that you don't have any direction to push in. my problem is it seems less like you're confused, and more like you don't care. sorry if that's insulting, but correct me if that isn't the case.

[trans rights]

It's been literally seven minutes and I'm already feeling myself getting tilted

mafia is fun

~mawile

Hi! This is Made! Myst, Have we played together? I know I've played with Vanity before.

she's definitely played with you in a couple mashes on mu, particularly throne mash 2 and loz mash. otherwise i don't think she's played much with you, and i think that also might be the extent to which i've played with you.

[Mana]

Question. When you mistakenly believed your role redirected all actions targeted at X and Y to you, did you believe it redirected all actions or only lethal actions?

all. (which it does)

It's weird that you described it as a bodyguard initially then, BG explicitly only targets lethal actions. If you thought it redirected all actions it would make more sense to call it a lightning rod or self redirector, no?

Bad post

Why?

[trans rights]

I'm made, catching up in real time, let's have some fun!!!

how are we actually being pushed right now? we have no idea what two and through actually was, but i think the role that janitored them was probably a wolf role. that's not really alignment indicative for them though. seriously though, either of two and through or bottom text being a wolf clears us straight up, along with being the top poster yesterday.

stop mindlessly tunneling my friend.

I really disagree with this take, based on experience more than anything, I feel like it's most likely that Two and through was bad (or 3p) than anything else. Why would scum want to obscure two and through? I just don't see the reasoning.

That said, I don't see scum making this argument, so good look for trans rights.

games can be solved with wolf flips. interactions, spew, poe, etc. a single wolf flip can bust a game open just like that. if the janitor was wolf motivated (which seems very likely at this point), it's already done its job. all we can do is guess two and through's alignment based on the information we have at this point, and even though i can point to some slots i would clear if two and through was indeed a wolf, there's still tinfoil that exists due to the lack of information and the plausibility that two and through was a villager. if we know two and through's alignment, it makes our life easier at the end of the day.

[Mana]

If tat were mafia i assume they'd at least have the good sense to tell toopy to vanillize one of their scum partners.

Hm

If Tim is a wolf and receives what he thinks is a reaction test from a town medium, does he:

a) Clam up to avoid spewing people, or
b) Try to fake clear one of his partners?

If it's b) he has to calculate the possibility that Toopy goes public with it and thread suspect he anti spewed one of his teammates.

If T&T is town, Alisontella is sus af for this. Imo there's a lot of risk for assuming mafia, and less risk for assuming town, and i don't like the lack of caution in making this scum sided assumption. Especially since most of the convo about T&T's alignment at this point has been pretty inconclusive

[Mana]

I'm made, catching up in real time, let's have some fun!!!

how are we actually being pushed right now? we have no idea what two and through actually was, but i think the role that janitored them was probably a wolf role. that's not really alignment indicative for them though. seriously though, either of two and through or bottom text being a wolf clears us straight up, along with being the top poster yesterday.

stop mindlessly tunneling my friend.

I really disagree with this take, based on experience more than anything, I feel like it's most likely that Two and through was bad (or 3p) than anything else. Why would scum want to obscure two and through? I just don't see the reasoning.

That said, I don't see scum making this argument, so good look for trans rights.

games can be solved with wolf flips. interactions, spew, poe, etc. a single wolf flip can bust a game open just like that. if the janitor was wolf motivated (which seems very likely at this point), it's already done its job. all we can do is guess two and through's alignment based on the information we have at this point, and even though i can point to some slots i would clear if two and through was indeed a wolf, there's still tinfoil that exists due to the lack of information and the plausibility that two and through was a villager. if we know two and through's alignment, it makes our life easier at the end of the day.

Ic...
can you point to those slots for the record?

[trans rights]

btw i want to tentatively cancel operation "see if anyone claims to have blocked mana" for reasons i don't want to get into.

[Mana]

bottom text has died
they were
1 shot doctor

Vt

I'll sponsor this for now.
3 town, 2ez, game is won

[trans rights]

I'm made, catching up in real time, let's have some fun!!!

how are we actually being pushed right now? we have no idea what two and through actually was, but i think the role that janitored them was probably a wolf role. that's not really alignment indicative for them though. seriously though, either of two and through or bottom text being a wolf clears us straight up, along with being the top poster yesterday.

stop mindlessly tunneling my friend.

I really disagree with this take, based on experience more than anything, I feel like it's most likely that Two and through was bad (or 3p) than anything else. Why would scum want to obscure two and through? I just don't see the reasoning.

That said, I don't see scum making this argument, so good look for trans rights.

games can be solved with wolf flips. interactions, spew, poe, etc. a single wolf flip can bust a game open just like that. if the janitor was wolf motivated (which seems very likely at this point), it's already done its job. all we can do is guess two and through's alignment based on the information we have at this point, and even though i can point to some slots i would clear if two and through was indeed a wolf, there's still tinfoil that exists due to the lack of information and the plausibility that two and through was a villager. if we know two and through's alignment, it makes our life easier at the end of the day.

Ic...
can you point to those slots for the record?

akemi and julinook are the ones that immediately stand out to me as likely being just village based on two and through w. timsuptogettinserious also looks villagery for that flip but less conclusively in my eyes. however, i haven't read the iso for spew for obvious reasons.

i think all of those slots are probably just v here, but i'm not full clearing akemi or julinook regardless.

[Mana]

bottom text has died
they were
1 shot doctor

Vt

I'll sponsor this for now.
3 town, 2ez, game is won

oh jk, this is my 4th town read
Transrights, H&V, ToppyandBinoo, and now TPIC

[Mana]

bottom text has died
they were
1 shot doctor

Vt

I'll sponsor this for now.
3 town, 2ez, game is won

oh jk, this is my 4th town read
Transrights, H&V, ToppyandBinoo, and now TPIC

linki:
Almost for got about Julinook
So Transrights, H&V, ToppyandBinoo, TPIC, Julinook, and Me for towncore. Thoughts?

[trans rights]

Don’t like the fact your trying to make people think that TAT could be scum.
Seems like wolf tactic Tbh.
But Binoo has you in their towncore.

Question to thread: Does mafia have something material to gain out of pretend that TAT is town if they were scum? assuming TAT is mafia helps scum assuming it's not true, but i don't see how the other way around benefits town.

Also, based on the fact that I'm a one shot, all the claims so far have been one shots, and the fact that no one has yet claimed to know why T&T didn't flip, we can assume the nonflip is scum motivated.

it basically all works around how they would spin their perspective. if their agenda works around two and through being a villager, then of course they would do it. however, it's more nai to me because it's based on how the wolves would spin the information and the assumption itself doesn't really benefit them.

[trans rights]

bottom text has died
they were
1 shot doctor

Vt

I'll sponsor this for now.
3 town, 2ez, game is won

oh jk, this is my 4th town read
Transrights, H&V, ToppyandBinoo, and now TPIC

linki:
Almost for got about Julinook
So Transrights, H&V, ToppyandBinoo, TPIC, Julinook, and Me for towncore. Thoughts?

i'm not clearing h&v because of their claim, and i can't definitely clear julinook. otherwise this is fine to me.

your posts more recently i think have been somewhat villagery, on top of mist's prior reasons for townreading your slot. she said something about your mindset being weird to her, but not in a wolfy way.

[Julinook]

yes we are phil dunphy

Called it

how did you know? also what does it matter?

Bc phil is a magician and is the most likely to have a janitor ability

we are a bodyguard actually

Bodyguard as in you protect the person you target or just protection from kills?

Bodyguard eats the NK instead of their target

[Mana]

Poop your best read is probably your read on Mana.

[VOTE: Mana] aubergine

tf? At this point Poop's read on my slot was exactly " "

prob scum I think

[Mana]

**SNIP**
TSPIC is town because of their townclearing Toopy and having a good chance of being the town counterwagon from D1 wagonomics (it beggars belief that there are 0 wolves between BT/TAT/Mana, and TSPIC had pressure on them at the same time all of those slots were being run up).
trans rights are townie on play and cleared from pushes if either BT or TAT are mafia, and it seems to me very likely that at least one of those two are mafia.

**SNIP**

Why does TPIC deserve credit for clearing Toopy?

[Mana]

Can I get GTH lists from everyone?

AH v
BT v
FK w
H&V w
Julinook v
Mana w
Tim v
TSPIC v
T&B v
tr v

-c4

AH-W
BT- T
FK- W
H&V-T
JV- V
Mana-ST
Tim-W
Tspic- T
TB- T
TR- T
PooP- W

lol