The Elder Scrolls [GAME OVER]

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’m having a crisis right now.
My tinfoil bells that I have currently hanging around my neck are going off (they’re converted cowbells don’t judge)
And it’s pulling me in this QAnon conspiracy that jack/Vulgard/Daisy are all bad.

Jack turned it up d3 and put a town hat on. That’s burley based on solving and tone.

Daisy has been mostly tone read as good. I feel like she put on her solvey boots like d4 tbh. Something a little different in her posts, less defensive. Dunno what that means. Could be more conviction? She mentioned in her scum games she’s never and could never vote for a teammate. Which...sounds like a poorly conceived meta to stand by. If falcon were to ask to he bussed in chat, why not just assuage the dying horse? And get towny credit for it?
Same goes for jack, who is the polar opposite of LC in that Tim is his ride or die to kill, where LC will defend Tim to the ends of middle earth.


Keep in mind that this is my current tinfoil.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen Daisy wolf so take this with a grain of salt.

Her salt felt real.

When Vulgard cased her, she immediately shot back with a huge pushback. I agree with what Vulgard said. A wolf flat isn’t ready with that answer for everything and raw emotion. That response comes from a townie.

Now, that is fakable if Vulgard is a wolf and they planned it out. Vulgard seems to be a very on point kinda player who could make that up and get Daisy to do it with him but in general, I still think Daisy’s response rings super true, down to bitching that people get tiwncred for casing her and then backing off immediately. I thought her tunnel on me felt really townie before Vulgard subbed in, too.

Also, I suspected Daisy in part because of her w/w looking interactions with Marmot (who I think is town) and Nacho (who flipped town). So those bits of my initial suspicion are entirely out the window.

Idk about Vulgard. With Tim being idk 80% likely the 3P at this point, I need to expand my POE. Like I said, I have a hard time making a 3 player wolf team without him. I have reasons to believe V is town. We’ll see how well they hold up on reeval.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: remove vote] aubergine

(Cause it’s super serious and I ain’t even joking about going no yeet)

[Scotty]

Information is vital in this game. Much like Survivor, information holds power. Tim claiming at this stage makes sense from a position of someone holding back and revealing to save themselves.

When I think of people sharing info in this game, they tend to die.
LC got a “note” that supposedly told where a wolf could (or couldn’t?) have gone.
Jack claimed that a wolf went to Hircine yesterday.
Gavial is a tracker/watcher allegedly.
Vulgard jail keeps.
Tim is my local NY bodega shopkeep.

But there are quite a handful of people that haven’t shared info from their goings-ons at night. This isn’t condemning of them, I would expect to hear something eventually, or maybe what they really found is useless?
Daisy? Marmot? MR?

I just hope that information is shared at a point that helps the town. It may not be right now, but we’re running out of time.

[DaisyCloud]

Meta read on MR: he's town y'all

Yes but why

I should probably iso Falc one day.

could it be radishez?

[Vulgard]

I'm being voted by Gavial, a 3p (?) and a likely wolf. Please don't add fuel to this dumpster fire.

What do we think about Marmot? I'll go study Falcon's ISO again when I get the chance.

[DaisyCloud]

Information is vital in this game. Much like Survivor, information holds power. Tim claiming at this stage makes sense from a position of someone holding back and revealing to save themselves.

When I think of people sharing info in this game, they tend to die.
LC got a “note” that supposedly told where a wolf could (or couldn’t?) have gone.
Jack claimed that a wolf went to Hircine yesterday.
Gavial is a tracker/watcher allegedly.
Vulgard jail keeps.
Tim is my local NY bodega shopkeep.

But there are quite a handful of people that haven’t shared info from their goings-ons at night. This isn’t condemning of them, I would expect to hear something eventually, or maybe what they really found is useless?
Daisy? Marmot? MR?

I just hope that information is shared at a point that helps the town. It may not be right now, but we’re running out of time.

I have shared my infos. I just don't go screaming about them from the mountain tops.

I did make and earlier post this day phase where I was more open and less subtle.

[DaisyCloud]

I think I messed up my multiple quotes

[Scotty]

I’m having a crisis right now.
My tinfoil bells that I have currently hanging around my neck are going off (they’re converted cowbells don’t judge)
And it’s pulling me in this QAnon conspiracy that jack/Vulgard/Daisy are all bad.

Jack turned it up d3 and put a town hat on. That’s burley based on solving and tone.

Daisy has been mostly tone read as good. I feel like she put on her solvey boots like d4 tbh. Something a little different in her posts, less defensive. Dunno what that means. Could be more conviction? She mentioned in her scum games she’s never and could never vote for a teammate. Which...sounds like a poorly conceived meta to stand by. If falcon were to ask to he bussed in chat, why not just assuage the dying horse? And get towny credit for it?
Same goes for jack, who is the polar opposite of LC in that Tim is his ride or die to kill, where LC will defend Tim to the ends of middle earth.


Keep in mind that this is my current tinfoil.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen Daisy wolf so take this with a grain of salt.

Her salt felt real.

When Vulgard cased her, she immediately shot back with a huge pushback. I agree with what Vulgard said. A wolf flat isn’t ready with that answer for everything and raw emotion. That response comes from a townie.

Now, that is fakable if Vulgard is a wolf and they planned it out. Vulgard seems to be a very on point kinda player who could make that up and get Daisy to do it with him but in general, I still think Daisy’s response rings super true, down to bitching that people get tiwncred for casing her and then backing off immediately. I thought her tunnel on me felt really townie before Vulgard subbed in, too.

Also, I suspected Daisy in part because of her w/w looking interactions with Marmot (who I think is town) and Nacho (who flipped town). So those bits of my initial suspicion are entirely out the window.

Idk about Vulgard. With Tim being idk 80% likely the 3P at this point, I need to expand my POE. Like I said, I have a hard time making a 3 player wolf team without him. I have reasons to believe V is town. We’ll see how well they hold up on reeval.

I agree that her salt felt real. But I don’t like looking at emotional responses as a basis for reading someone all the time. I feel like there’s initial problem solving there and legitimate questions, but there aren’t usually answers. That may just be how she solves: asking and coming to conclusions privately.

[Scotty]

and I got reasons to think Gavial was rbed nite 3

This was sandwiched in a few posts ago, so I guess I missed it, if this is what you were talking about?

[Vulgard]

My take: Marmot is a villager. The gamestate doesn't support the idea we kept having a wolf close to getting yeeted almost every day. He's been a push target for wolves, a puppet, if you will.

If I still put stock in lost monkey's post about Mac, that leaves a tiny PoE still. Kylemii, Tim, LC, Gavial?

It seems too exact.

Reasons to clear people:

- Lost monkey - a single interaction with flipped wolf Mac I find unlikely to come from a wolf toward a partner. The important part is that it's lost monkey writing the post directed toward Mac, not vice versa. No reason to think it was antispew when lost monkey wasn't a yeet contender then, nor a target for vigs.

- Marmot - gamestate reasons. The gamestate for the past few days doesn't support the idea Marmot's a wolf who keeps getting saved. We've had village flips all this time, and the first wolf flip happened n3. In a world like that, we were completely wrong in the early game. Occam's Razor tells me a universe where Marmot was saved back-to-back is improbable. It would be like a miracle.

- Kylemii - decent posting on a macro level.

- DaisyCloud - response to my case looked super villagery. Has been invested throughout the game.

- Master Radishes - very good treatment of Falcon I find unlikely to come from a partner given Falcon being a W PR. Good posting on a macro level.

- Jack - last EoD was very towny. Trackable and believable progression on DaisyCloud.

- Scotty - very good posting on a macro level. Few, if any, potential signs of TMI.

- Gavial - posting so far has seemed like his townmeta, broadly speaking.

- LC - no awful posts. Fake redcheck on Scotty yesterday somewhat unlikely to come from a wolf.

- Tim - very high WiM. Believable frustration (to some). Claim that's potentially un-CC-able. (Not sure if clearing.)

- TSP - buried Falcon, the wolf PR, yesterday. Decent posting on a macro level. I saw a difference in investment compared to his wolfgame where I caught him a few months back. He looks more like he's here to solve the game compared to how he looked in that wolfgame.

[Scotty]

Ok let’s assume Tim is 3p. This would mean he is on no one’s team, and we would want to stop looking at him as teammate compatible.

Gav has been screaming to the rooftops that Tim is SK. Linking Mac as the one to out him.

That is suspicious because this could have been something by they discussed in scum chat and Gav has attached himself to that and expounded it ad nauseum.

[Vulgard]

One important thing about Gavial. I have never seen him capable of upholding a tunnely push against someone when he was wolfing. When he was wolfing, he was always more self-conscious, even when pretending he wasn't. Him pushing on me here and maintaining that push despite the threadstate is V indicative. If he's wolfing, he's expanded his wolfrange while I wasn't looking.

Is what Gavial's doing GOOD? No. It's not. But I'm reading him using a different metric. I could link a few of his scumgames from a few months back if you'd like to see what I mean, and how I'm reading him.

[Vulgard]

Ok let’s assume Tim is 3p. This would mean he is on no one’s team, and we would want to stop looking at him as teammate compatible.

Gav has been screaming to the rooftops that Tim is SK. Linking Mac as the one to out him.

That is suspicious because this could have been something by they discussed in scum chat and Gav has attached himself to that and expounded it ad nauseum.

This is a good take. The problem is that we're discussing Gavial.

In one of our past games, Gavial spent the entirety of one day tunneling a player who had just exposed a wolf. A player who genuinely, without a doubt, outed a wolf and we were going to kill that wolf. Yet, Gavial tunneled that player instead, who was also a town PR.

His insistence on Tim being SK could easily be stubbornness. He could be wishing to prove that his imagined world is real. That's what he does all the time.

This is why I'm trying not to read him based on his actions, like who he's pushing. More based on demeanor.

And yes, I suppose I shouldn't have expected Gavial to die, but tracker/watcher is powerful as hell. Made wasn't contributing much to the thread. A greencheck on a player is less valuable when that player is less valuable.

[Vulgard]

All I can tell you now based on my jailkeep and what Gavial's done is that he's not SK and not wolf KP. I'm leaning toward him not being a wolf at all, at the moment. I think the idea he's a wolf tracker/watcher who always claims to get no result is silly, even for him. Remember that he claimed d2 unprompted. That's a towny thing to do in a vacuum.

[Scotty]

My take: Marmot is a villager. The gamestate doesn't support the idea we kept having a wolf close to getting yeeted almost every day. He's been a push target for wolves, a puppet, if you will.

If I still put stock in lost monkey's post about Mac, that leaves a tiny PoE still. Kylemii, Tim, LC, Gavial?

It seems too exact.

Reasons to clear people:

- Lost monkey - a single interaction with flipped wolf Mac I find unlikely to come from a wolf toward a partner. The important part is that it's lost monkey writing the post directed toward Mac, not vice versa. No reason to think it was antispew when lost monkey wasn't a yeet contender then, nor a target for vigs.

- Marmot - gamestate reasons. The gamestate for the past few days doesn't support the idea Marmot's a wolf who keeps getting saved. We've had village flips all this time, and the first wolf flip happened n3. In a world like that, we were completely wrong in the early game. Occam's Razor tells me a universe where Marmot was saved back-to-back is improbable. It would be like a miracle.

- Kylemii - decent posting on a macro level.

- DaisyCloud - response to my case looked super villagery. Has been invested throughout the game.

- Master Radishes - very good treatment of Falcon I find unlikely to come from a partner given Falcon being a W PR. Good posting on a macro level.

- Jack - last EoD was very towny. Trackable and believable progression on DaisyCloud.

- Scotty - very good posting on a macro level. Few, if any, potential signs of TMI.

- Gavial - posting so far has seemed like his townmeta, broadly speaking.

- LC - no awful posts. Fake redcheck on Scotty yesterday somewhat unlikely to come from a wolf.

- Tim - very high WiM. Believable frustration (to some). Claim that's potentially un-CC-able. (Not sure if clearing.)

- TSP - buried Falcon, the wolf PR, yesterday. Decent posting on a macro level. I saw a difference in investment compared to his wolfgame where I caught him a few months back. He looks more like he's here to solve the game compared to how he looked in that wolfgame.

Man, I’m sold. Maybe the wolves all went back to narnia and we already won!

[Vulgard]

Let's sideline Tim for a moment, since the Tim vs Vulgard battle is absorbing the thread.

What I wrote there was a trustfall. Reasons I could townread people. Some are obviously stronger than others, as you can tell.

I'm gauging if people agree and what should change. And the reason I'm doing this is that the current PoE is too small. There's at least one wolf outside it, so I'm verifying why I townread (or COULD townread) the living players.

[Vulgard]

I would like to point out that while we are engaging in hot debates, Long Con popped in just to shade and vote me.

This isn't a person interested in solving the game, neither is it a person eager to take themselves out of the PoE. Almost certainly a wolf.

[Scotty]

I would like to point out that while we are engaging in hot debates, Long Con popped in just to shade and vote me.

This isn't a person interested in solving the game, neither is it a person eager to take themselves out of the PoE. Almost certainly a wolf.

I will say that LC has flatly and outright pocketed Tim, and seems to be keen on sheeping him wherever he goes

That doesn’t seem any different from how he’s played the game thus far

[DaisyCloud]

wait, how is radishes town?

[Scotty]

This is all I could find on Master Radish talking about falcon:

Spoiler: show

So uh. I'm feeling iffy on Falc.

He hasn't comment on me at all iirc and then came out with a strong town read on me due to meta. I prompted him to explain because I got pinged by how confident he was. (Keep in mind, btw, that he and I go back a couple years on CDC.)

It's in the way you ask questions and probe the game, your approach is def in your town meta. I mean, I guess you could be faking it, but I don't think that's the case here

That's...a pretty vague answer. It certainly doesn't make me think 'ah yeah, Falcon's got me nailed to a tee'. And that little 'I guess you could be faking but' line that's tagged on feels like it's meant to prevent anyone thinking it sounds TMI-level confident, rather than actually indicate real hesitation.

And, pre-empting my obvious follow-up, he reaches into my iso to illustrate his read.

So anyway, Tim is scum huh.

Nope, not this time. But you already knew that.

Eh. We'll see. You don't feel right. Your push on me feels inauthentic considering you've recently wolfed with me and saw how I operate.

This is towny MR

I think your reasons on Daisy are valid. Like the questions but no follow up and apathy towards wagons are definite scum behavioural tendencies.

But when she and Jack were bickering earlier it was one of the few events of the game I've been somewhat present for, and it felt quite t/t to me. I felt like the frustration and omgusing had a delicate hint of genuineness to them.

So I dunno. Despite the logic, I'm not convinced.

And this is towny MR

if you think that in this game we have drawn a scumteam with 0 slankers you will need to explain what makes that rational?

history speaks to the contrary. If anything the fact that we have chopped two slanky poos and missed makes the slanky poo pool more rich with floaters.

Not 0 slankers. Probably some.

But instead of firing blindly and lazily into the slanky pool let's do some actual work and find the active scum. And even if we miss we force said active scum to Do Stuff.

More towny MR

Those are...not great examples of 'the way you ask questions' or 'probing the game' tbh. They're very bland questions/reactions. They are at best mildly towny, but not 'strong meta read' towny. It kind of feels like he just picked out the first three 'questions/probings' that he spotted. Like how do these examples scream 'probing the game' to anyone? I'm not a great wolf, but I can fake posts like that no sweat.

As soon as I saw Falc's initial post I had one specific encounter in mind that I think is 'vintage slanky town MR' and Falc did not find it. (It was my initial response to Mac, fyi.) If he had given me that I might've given him a pass. Maybe.


tl;dr Falc's meta read is too strong based on his presented evidence of why he has it. It feels like a pocket attempt.

On the surface, it’s a pretty long winded post/case about why he finds falcon “iffy” but at the same time his final conclusions leave outs as to whether or not he actually reads him as bad.

The next and only time he talks about falcon? Towards eod

Tim/Falcon/Marmot/Nacho all good wagon choices. I'm sure at least one is wrong, but more than one is right.

IMO Tim and Falc are the more likely hits. I'm good with either but it'll be much less of a headache to get rid of Tim first tbh.

Wagon was already formed on falcon, AND he subtly proposes leaning on Tim. If Tim Is not aligned with mafia, then..sus.

MR and falcon could definitely be w/w

[Scotty]

wait, how is radishes town?

See below

[Scotty]

It’s been said by (Vulgard?) that MR often open wolfs when wolf, so this compatibility mixed with his entrance literally exclaiming he was wolfpartners with “fal-“ make me...uh...how you say...suspicious

[VOTE: Master Of Radishes] aubergine

[Scotty]

I’m not convinced LC is town either.

[Scotty]

Is there any reason not to chop LC, btw?

Though if LC is bad with MR, why single him out here? The case was pretty bleh, and MR even says as much, but why do so?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Man, I need to do a lotta back reading with essentially 3 flips (Tim, Nacho, Falcon) on people near the bottom of my readlist.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I started doing a trustfall but it was long and the important bits are like

Tony, Kyle, Daisy, Marmot - Strong reason to believe they’re town
Vulgard, Scotty, Gavil - Not as strong of reasons as I thought to say these players are town
LC, Monkey, Radishes - I don’t have much reason to townread these slots at all. Or suspect them. Yeesh.
Tim - Special case. Solve through CC or lack thereof

[Jackofhearts2005]

Gavil correctly iding Tim as 3P is tilting ngl

[Jackofhearts2005]

Team us Vulgard, Gavial, and Kyle. They don't know who the 3p is. I can see it all in Vulgard's posts today. Read them with that in mind... who he talks about, how he mentions them, etc. Side mentions with other players only, and focus on the other guy.

Sub Radishes for Vulgard and consider Vulgard a dupe...how does it look then?

I was hoping you at least would pick up on meeting me at Mehrunes Fagon's shrine so I hope you got something interesting from the night.

Tim not all that attached to his suspect list tho lol

Jack, the real question here is how, when LC can spit out a potential team and you can't really clear a single one of them, and I can spit out a potential team off the top of my head and you can't really clear a single one of them either, you "can't find a team without Tim on it."

I mean, I’m fully clearing one person from each and at the time at least townreading everyone LC threw out. Obviously, some shit has changed.

[Long Con]

I would like to point out that while we are engaging in hot debates, Long Con popped in just to shade and vote me.

This isn't a person interested in solving the game, neither is it a person eager to take themselves out of the PoE. Almost certainly a wolf.

Ok, wolf. Yes, we know I'm your hot yeet target. I will shade and vote you anytime I see an opportunity, because I want to yeet you and your wolf slot.

Gavil correctly iding Tim as 3P is tilting ngl

Are you deliberately misspelling his name?

[Jackofhearts2005]

why people go to the chaos shrine completely escapes me...but I haven't caught swamp fever from a mudcrab...maybe if I had this town would make more sense

My brain is very smooth.

[DaisyCloud]

if tim is telling the truth and us vig then I think lc is 3rd party or mafia.

cause I thought lc was the vig

[Jackofhearts2005]

Gavil is a better name than Gavial.

One rhymes with Genry Cavil. The other sounds like a CW angel or demon.

[Long Con]

if tim is telling the truth and us vig then I think lc is 3rd party or mafia.

cause I thought lc was the vig

Why did you think I was the vig? Why would you think I am Mafia?

[DaisyCloud]

if tim is telling the truth and us vig then I think lc is 3rd party or mafia.

cause I thought lc was the vig

Why did you think I was the vig? Why would you think I am Mafia?

cause you lied about the red check. that made me think you was vig. you was looking for reactions. I figured that be something important for vig

but tim claims vig.

I can see mafia faking checks.

[Long Con]

if tim is telling the truth and us vig then I think lc is 3rd party or mafia.

cause I thought lc was the vig

Why did you think I was the vig? Why would you think I am Mafia?

cause you lied about the red check. that made me think you was vig. you was looking for reactions. I figured that be something important for vig

but tim claims vig.

I can see mafia faking checks.

Mafia can absolutely fake checks. This is not one of those times.

It was getting to be too far into the game for the amount of "I really can't tell who is suspicious" I was feeling. I have seen other people do fake red checks before so I thought I would give it a whirl. I don't think I have ever done a fake red check as either alignment before, so I didn't really have a plan for how to proceed with it, beyond knowing I would reveal the fakeness before the day was half over.

One thing I did get from it was that gavial looked villagery because he came in soon after, and listed suspects that didn't include Scotty, or an awareness of the red check. I go back and forth on gavial, but I think he gave me a very similar villager feel when he didn't acknowledge my accusation of him again.

[Jackofhearts2005]

If people are scumreading me because I didn't pay attention to the OP, I'm disappointed. I expected better. What, can town not ignore the OP or not pay attention, especially if they subbed in? Don't be ridiculous.

My PoE is similar to Radishes' PoE. The problem is that it's too small. Which is why I'm looking at people I'm not 100% sold on being town.

The scumreads on me feel like wolves scrambling because the reasoning is so terrible. "Vulgard didn't realize how many nontown there are, must be mafia."

It's not about you skipping the OP, or missing something in it. It's about the number of people who matter of factly stated at various points that there were five wolves according to the setup. You ISOed those people and never noticed? In more than a couple cases there was back and forth "how many wolves you think?" "five wolves" "you seem really sure <suss>" "well it's in the OP so..." "oh" type exchanges.

It could be that you are the hero the town really needed to step into the idle slot and you have worked your ass off, did all these ISOs while missing those conversations, and blasted out a bunch of 'solid' reads even if they are kinda "feelies" more than facts.

But it also could be that you are the power wolf the wolves needed to step in for dead Mac. That would explain how you did all the ISOs missing certain key points but coming up with very Mac like "feelie" reads...you could get them in wolf chat and they could conveniently fit the agenda rather than the reality.

Like, Master Radishes is not the least bit townish, but he's at the top of your list. Why is that? Daisy you have swung wildly around on, mostly without any reason beyond "need to widen the POE here." You've taken up dead Mac's torch of "Tim is pushing insane reads" when mine have been actually as good or better than yours.

All in all you could be either way here and have done nothing AI...but now you drop in the "oh BTW I'm the Jailkeeper that blocked Gavial who was going to provide a track." Now that is alignment indicative. Gavial, for all his daffy reads, is at least probably town, and with his tracker/watcher claim is a prime target for killing or blocking by wolves.

You have all these "suspects" in your POE, wtf would you JK the claimed tracker for as town? It wasn't protective...the wolves needed to kill Made. It wasn't to clear him. Maybe a tracker result would have, but you kept him from that. Might have cleared someone else too. And yeah since we are down in the short strokes that would be very bad...for the wolves.

So here's the deal @Master Radishes @Scotty @Jackofhearts2005

I set out this game to play nice. Work with the townies. Do my part. I put up with Mac gaslighting how I was bad my reads were bad my concern about letting the wolves get Bo's artifact was bad blah blah fucking blah. And you lot have blundered right along with the wolf. Jack with his "oh well sure maybe you did something towny but that could just be wifom" mindless fucking tunneling. Radishes with "gosh, serious, must be wolfing." Scotty with "gosh talks about his worthless "power of merchant" like he doesn't care if he dies. I don't have to worry about getting NKed because you towns with your halfbaked Timfoil are like a constant promise to just mischop me and not even need any help from the wolves.

Now here is a guy who has done something blatantly fucking wolfy. And not a fucking doubt in my mind you lot are gonna say "but gosh, feels towny, and y'know townies do wolfy things sometimes" and blithely continue chopping people who do towny things because of your daft fucking feelie reads and giving passes to people who do wolfy things because of your daft fucking feelie reads. At least Scotty has at least one excuse, he's out of practice. Everybody else needs to just get gud here. Or fucking lose. I honestly am beyond caring at this point.

By the way, I have used my role like a fucking master....Jack, by fucking lying my ass off, and here's the key to a good lie...keep it close to the truth. I am exactly the Imperial merchant. If somebody checked my race with your shriney powers you'd not be able to dispute it. I have never lied about what shrine I was at, so again no one can dispute it. I do collect money, and everything I have said about what I can do with it before today was made up whole fucking cloth but could never be checked...it was whatever I needed to keep the wolves off my back and my fellow townies who are apparently dumb as a box of hammers from killing me.

Because outing the one thing I could actually buy makes me a target...so I kept it hidden until today. Now you clowns have convinced me (along with my complete inability to guess what shrine you lot are gonna go to, and that's my bad) that I will never get enough to buy a second writ...but here's a news flash...the Morag Tong killed Mac because I FUCKING PAID THEM TO. I am the "charging up" vig. I'm the only towny that has done fucking thing one right until we blundered onto Falcon yesterday despite you baboons wanting to kill me instead. Piss on the lot of ye. Gavial's reads are fucking better.

I misread this post where Tim keeps talking about the town this and you townies that as basically claiming 3P.

And then Tim is like “my fellow townies.”

Bleeeeeeeeeh

A vig claim is not nearly as convincing as a 3P claim but I still kinda believe it short of a CC.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Oh, about Gavial's action. I jailkept him last night. Partly because I expected him to get killed at night if he's town, given his role. Partly because I wanted to verify if he had KP. If he were groupscum, he seemed like a decent factional kill performer. If he were 3p SK, I would've reduced KP.

Since none of that happened, mechanics point to Gavial being town unless he's a 3p with no KP.

Expected...Gavail to be killed? The mayor of jesterville who wolves would love to take to endgame?

Uh...that’s wishful thinking there Vulgard.

Yeah, that’s a bit of a questionable line of reasoning.

[Long Con]

I don't know, I think if you ask gavial, he would tell you the wolves fear him the most.

[Timsup2nothin]

I want Tim to be telling the truth rather badly for a number of obvious reasons. It would fit in with several narratives. It would be funny. But especially it would allow me to start working with instead of against Tim.

Also, it’s really easy to verify if he’s telling the truth or not.

Everyone should explicitly CC or not CC Tim. If nobody CCs 3P, Tim is confirmed 3P and we can put all this to bed. If someone CCs, then we yeet Tim and if he flips 3P, we yeet the CCer tomorrow.

The only downside to this is if Tim is a wolf and the real 3P doesn’t CC. I think this is unlikely because with the current gamestate, claiming 3P and being believed probably means you probably coast to victory whereas a real unclaimed 3P is at risk of being nked or yeeted. It’s more the super corner case of a 3P being flat forbidden from claiming in his rolecard. Super corner case. Very unlikely. I’m okay losing in that scenario.

I am town, not 3P.

WTF????

I never said I was the 3P.

I'm assuming the Mace is some sort of soup kill thing that is collecting our names somehow, much like Alison's power in GoC. I am exactly what I said, the merchant, it's just the what I can buy are writs from the Molag Tong. c"mon man, you've played Morrowind...

The 3P doesn't need to cc me. All you need is some shrine goer to say they went to the same shrine as whoever went nights one and four, but they went on night three and killed Mac. That's the counter claim the wolves need to make.

But they won't, because my fellow townies managed to out their vig. <slow clap>

[Gavial]

I’m having a crisis right now.
My tinfoil bells that I have currently hanging around my neck are going off (they’re converted cowbells don’t judge)
And it’s pulling me in this QAnon conspiracy that jack/Vulgard/Daisy are all bad.

Jack turned it up d3 and put a town hat on. That’s burley based on solving and tone.

Daisy has been mostly tone read as good. I feel like she put on her solvey boots like d4 tbh. Something a little different in her posts, less defensive. Dunno what that means. Could be more conviction? She mentioned in her scum games she’s never and could never vote for a teammate. Which...sounds like a poorly conceived meta to stand by. If falcon were to ask to he bussed in chat, why not just assuage the dying horse? And get towny credit for it?
Same goes for jack, who is the polar opposite of LC in that Tim is his ride or die to kill, where LC will defend Tim to the ends of middle earth.


Keep in mind that this is my current tinfoil.

I wouldn’t be shocked if this was the team as this is kinda my guess but I’d still say Radish over Daisy.

[Timsup2nothin]

I'm being voted by Gavial, a 3p (?) and a likely wolf. Please don't add fuel to this dumpster fire.

What do we think about Marmot? I'll go study Falcon's ISO again when I get the chance.

The one that you need to study is Radishes.

There is no way that two daft but innocent townies presented good cases for voting Falcon and then ended up voting for me while the wolf died. One of you is a wolf. If it ain't you...

And no I am not the 3P, just a humble merchant. Quit expecting easy answers.

[Gavial]

I’m having a crisis right now.
My tinfoil bells that I have currently hanging around my neck are going off (they’re converted cowbells don’t judge)
And it’s pulling me in this QAnon conspiracy that jack/Vulgard/Daisy are all bad.

Jack turned it up d3 and put a town hat on. That’s burley based on solving and tone.

Daisy has been mostly tone read as good. I feel like she put on her solvey boots like d4 tbh. Something a little different in her posts, less defensive. Dunno what that means. Could be more conviction? She mentioned in her scum games she’s never and could never vote for a teammate. Which...sounds like a poorly conceived meta to stand by. If falcon were to ask to he bussed in chat, why not just assuage the dying horse? And get towny credit for it?
Same goes for jack, who is the polar opposite of LC in that Tim is his ride or die to kill, where LC will defend Tim to the ends of middle earth.


Keep in mind that this is my current tinfoil.

I don't know, I think if you ask gavial, he would tell you the wolves fear him the most.

Wolves -)
Me -)
Wolves -)

[Gavial]

Oops I forgot to unquote Scotty there.

[Gavial]

When you wanna vote Between Radish/Vulgard and other people actually thinks the same as you do.
Is this real?

[Gavial]

NGL my vote could shift between either Radish or Vulgard.
Wouldn’t mind either and I’ll see if maybe I see some wolfy vote come from someone or some scum motivation on one side and see if I need to switch votes.

[Timsup2nothin]

Ok let’s assume Tim is 3p. This would mean he is on no one’s team, and we would want to stop looking at him as teammate compatible.

Gav has been screaming to the rooftops that Tim is SK. Linking Mac as the one to out him.

That is suspicious because this could have been something by they discussed in scum chat and Gav has attached himself to that and expounded it ad nauseum.

This is just daft AF.

If Gavial has been discussing "Tim's the 3P" in wolf chat then you should KNOW I am not the 3P because the wolves would have razored me to get the mace. Come to that, if I were the 3P do you really think I would have been playing "no, I have the slammer hammer" games with KZA? This is why I so seldom bother telling the truth...even when I do you Timfoilers go nuts with it.

[Timsup2nothin]

If people are scumreading me because I didn't pay attention to the OP, I'm disappointed. I expected better. What, can town not ignore the OP or not pay attention, especially if they subbed in? Don't be ridiculous.

My PoE is similar to Radishes' PoE. The problem is that it's too small. Which is why I'm looking at people I'm not 100% sold on being town.

The scumreads on me feel like wolves scrambling because the reasoning is so terrible. "Vulgard didn't realize how many nontown there are, must be mafia."

It's not about you skipping the OP, or missing something in it. It's about the number of people who matter of factly stated at various points that there were five wolves according to the setup. You ISOed those people and never noticed? In more than a couple cases there was back and forth "how many wolves you think?" "five wolves" "you seem really sure <suss>" "well it's in the OP so..." "oh" type exchanges.

It could be that you are the hero the town really needed to step into the idle slot and you have worked your ass off, did all these ISOs while missing those conversations, and blasted out a bunch of 'solid' reads even if they are kinda "feelies" more than facts.

But it also could be that you are the power wolf the wolves needed to step in for dead Mac. That would explain how you did all the ISOs missing certain key points but coming up with very Mac like "feelie" reads...you could get them in wolf chat and they could conveniently fit the agenda rather than the reality.

Like, Master Radishes is not the least bit townish, but he's at the top of your list. Why is that? Daisy you have swung wildly around on, mostly without any reason beyond "need to widen the POE here." You've taken up dead Mac's torch of "Tim is pushing insane reads" when mine have been actually as good or better than yours.

All in all you could be either way here and have done nothing AI...but now you drop in the "oh BTW I'm the Jailkeeper that blocked Gavial who was going to provide a track." Now that is alignment indicative. Gavial, for all his daffy reads, is at least probably town, and with his tracker/watcher claim is a prime target for killing or blocking by wolves.

You have all these "suspects" in your POE, wtf would you JK the claimed tracker for as town? It wasn't protective...the wolves needed to kill Made. It wasn't to clear him. Maybe a tracker result would have, but you kept him from that. Might have cleared someone else too. And yeah since we are down in the short strokes that would be very bad...for the wolves.

So here's the deal @Master Radishes @Scotty @Jackofhearts2005

I set out this game to play nice. Work with the townies. Do my part. I put up with Mac gaslighting how I was bad my reads were bad my concern about letting the wolves get Bo's artifact was bad blah blah fucking blah. And you lot have blundered right along with the wolf. Jack with his "oh well sure maybe you did something towny but that could just be wifom" mindless fucking tunneling. Radishes with "gosh, serious, must be wolfing." Scotty with "gosh talks about his worthless "power of merchant" like he doesn't care if he dies. I don't have to worry about getting NKed because you towns with your halfbaked Timfoil are like a constant promise to just mischop me and not even need any help from the wolves.

Now here is a guy who has done something blatantly fucking wolfy. And not a fucking doubt in my mind you lot are gonna say "but gosh, feels towny, and y'know townies do wolfy things sometimes" and blithely continue chopping people who do towny things because of your daft fucking feelie reads and giving passes to people who do wolfy things because of your daft fucking feelie reads. At least Scotty has at least one excuse, he's out of practice. Everybody else needs to just get gud here. Or fucking lose. I honestly am beyond caring at this point.

By the way, I have used my role like a fucking master....Jack, by fucking lying my ass off, and here's the key to a good lie...keep it close to the truth. I am exactly the Imperial merchant. If somebody checked my race with your shriney powers you'd not be able to dispute it. I have never lied about what shrine I was at, so again no one can dispute it. I do collect money, and everything I have said about what I can do with it before today was made up whole fucking cloth but could never be checked...it was whatever I needed to keep the wolves off my back and my fellow townies who are apparently dumb as a box of hammers from killing me.

Because outing the one thing I could actually buy makes me a target...so I kept it hidden until today. Now you clowns have convinced me (along with my complete inability to guess what shrine you lot are gonna go to, and that's my bad) that I will never get enough to buy a second writ...but here's a news flash...the Morag Tong killed Mac because I FUCKING PAID THEM TO. I am the "charging up" vig. I'm the only towny that has done fucking thing one right until we blundered onto Falcon yesterday despite you baboons wanting to kill me instead. Piss on the lot of ye. Gavial's reads are fucking better.

I misread this post where Tim keeps talking about the town this and you townies that as basically claiming 3P.

And then Tim is like “my fellow townies.”

Bleeeeeeeeeh

A vig claim is not nearly as convincing as a 3P claim but I still kinda believe it short of a CC.

I'm one of you, assuming you are town...it's just that if you are town at that particular time I was not wanting to be associated with you. Git gud if you want me to count you as an actual partner in towning.

[Timsup2nothin]

In before "Lost Monkey probably really killed Mac, would CC if they showed up, Tim's still a wolf because he says mean things about the town."

[Master Radishes]

Oh we're at this stage of the game are we.

[Timsup2nothin]

Oh we're at this stage of the game are we.

Yeah. Give a defense of Vulgard please.