The Elder Scrolls [GAME OVER]

[Marmot]

I went to chaos last night and got a prize, and it was not am arrow to the knee.

Is it a prize you’d like to share with the class? Bag of kit-kats perhaps?

It's a 1-shot that I'll use tonight, but I won't share what it is yet for raisins.

[Timsup2nothin]

ha i thought that post from MR was towny but then i took an arrow to the knee

This is the problem with the whole "towny post" nonsense. Radish posts Radishy posts. Some "Radish reader" mistakes Radishy for towny and town reads him...and they are right three times out of four and get smug about it. Radish rands wolf, goes right on making Radishy posts, and the trusted 'Radish reader' is wrong...but, well, everyone takes an arrow in the knee once in a while. And the cycle just spins on.

[Vulgard]

I still don't see anyone giving good reasons not to kill LC, by the way.

[Timsup2nothin]

For post game cred: I didn't read much of Tim's post and I don't believe his claim.

This is classic Radish with the IDGAF defense. Building the bad town meta for the next wolf rand, or is this the wolf rand? No way to tell...but there's no way to make him actually help the town here.

If he flips wolf that looks less bad for Vulgard, and Vulgard seems useful if town.

[VOTE: Radishes] aubergine

My entire being can be best summed up as 'IDGAF'.

See, this is why I just continue not to buy any of your suss on me Tim. You can't possibly believe half of what you say about/towards me.

The only things I am saying about you is that "I am Radish and IDGAF" is NAI and the people town reading you for posting it constantly are being dumb, and that the one crack in your IDGAF persona was when you made a wall case against Falcon, but that making that wall case and not voting behind it was a wolfy action.

Which half are you suggesting that I don't really believe?

[Master Radishes]

For post game cred: I didn't read much of Tim's post and I don't believe his claim.

This is classic Radish with the IDGAF defense. Building the bad town meta for the next wolf rand, or is this the wolf rand? No way to tell...but there's no way to make him actually help the town here.

If he flips wolf that looks less bad for Vulgard, and Vulgard seems useful if town.

[VOTE: Radishes] aubergine

My entire being can be best summed up as 'IDGAF'.

See, this is why I just continue not to buy any of your suss on me Tim. You can't possibly believe half of what you say about/towards me.

The only things I am saying about you is that "I am Radish and IDGAF" is NAI and the people town reading you for posting it constantly are being dumb, and that the one crack in your IDGAF persona was when you made a wall case against Falcon, but that making that wall case and not voting behind it was a wolfy action.

Which half are you suggesting that I don't really believe?

The other half, I guess.

[Master Radishes]

I still don't see anyone giving good reasons not to kill LC, by the way.

I would agree with you, but they're on to us so I better not.

[Timsup2nothin]

I still don't see anyone giving good reasons not to kill LC, by the way.

Because there was absolutely no sensible wolf agenda behind his actions early day one, and he hasn't done anything objectively wolfy since.

[Master Radishes]

Tim I would've weighted my suspicion of you and Falc as more or less equal. At the time I left the thread to fall asleep you were slightly in the lead and I liked the others on your wagon (Jack and Vulgard maybe?). So I stayed put. The falc wagon only properly sprung up after I'd gone.

There was another wagon but I can't remember who now. But I didn't like it as much.

[Timsup2nothin]

For post game cred: I didn't read much of Tim's post and I don't believe his claim.

This is classic Radish with the IDGAF defense. Building the bad town meta for the next wolf rand, or is this the wolf rand? No way to tell...but there's no way to make him actually help the town here.

If he flips wolf that looks less bad for Vulgard, and Vulgard seems useful if town.

[VOTE: Radishes] aubergine

My entire being can be best summed up as 'IDGAF'.

See, this is why I just continue not to buy any of your suss on me Tim. You can't possibly believe half of what you say about/towards me.

The only things I am saying about you is that "I am Radish and IDGAF" is NAI and the people town reading you for posting it constantly are being dumb, and that the one crack in your IDGAF persona was when you made a wall case against Falcon, but that making that wall case and not voting behind it was a wolfy action.

Which half are you suggesting that I don't really believe?

The other half, I guess.

Well, the rest I think has been just the usual running gags about "meet me in wolf chat," and we both know I don't believe that stuff, so sure.

[Timsup2nothin]

Tim I would've weighted my suspicion of you and Falc as more or less equal. At the time I left the thread to fall asleep you were slightly in the lead and I liked the others on your wagon (Jack and Vulgard maybe?). So I stayed put. The falc wagon only properly sprung up after I'd gone.

There was another wagon but I can't remember who now. But I didn't like it as much.

It was you, so that at least checks out.

[TonyStarkPrime]

ha i thought that post from MR was towny but then i took an arrow to the knee

This is the problem with the whole "towny post" nonsense. Radish posts Radishy posts. Some "Radish reader" mistakes Radishy for towny and town reads him...and they are right three times out of four and get smug about it. Radish rands wolf, goes right on making Radishy posts, and the trusted 'Radish reader' is wrong...but, well, everyone takes an arrow in the knee once in a while. And the cycle just spins on.

i doon't think it was towny on tone. i don't really even have a sense of how MR posts, we don't play together often. I think it's towny because it's an absurd idea which a wolf would have no business coming up with. As a wolf, I used to never have absurd ideas, but then I took an arrow to the knee

[Master Radishes]

Like I'm not going to vote Tim today obv.

But if he doesn't self-resolve he goes in F3 or whatever no cap.

[Vulgard]

Radishes. What's your agenda today?

[Master Radishes]

Radishes. What's your agenda today?

Do I need one?

[Timsup2nothin]

ha i thought that post from MR was towny but then i took an arrow to the knee

This is the problem with the whole "towny post" nonsense. Radish posts Radishy posts. Some "Radish reader" mistakes Radishy for towny and town reads him...and they are right three times out of four and get smug about it. Radish rands wolf, goes right on making Radishy posts, and the trusted 'Radish reader' is wrong...but, well, everyone takes an arrow in the knee once in a while. And the cycle just spins on.

i doon't think it was towny on tone. i don't really even have a sense of how MR posts, we don't play together often. I think it's towny because it's an absurd idea which a wolf would have no business coming up with. As a wolf, I used to never have absurd ideas, but then I took an arrow to the knee

Making absurd posts with an IDGAF flair, often outright open claiming wolf, IS the Radish tone, and it is completely NAI.

In GoC:

Tim: you're kinda suss Radish
Radish: meet me in wolf chat, we'll talk about it
Tim: okay

We were both town.

In the Vienna game recently:

Tim: you're kinda suss Radish
Radish meet me in wolf chat, we'll talk about it
Tim: okay

We were both wolves.

Radish posts the way he posts, and I post the way I post. I have yet to encounter these mythical players who are so polarized that someone "can just tell" they are a particular alignment. But every single game there are multiple people who claim that half the player list "made a towny post," or "seems towny," or some such BS.

[Timsup2nothin]

Radishes. What's your agenda today?

Do I need one?

I have some spares if you need a loaner.

[DaisyCloud]

I'm pretty decent at reading vulgard I think, I'll take a look after I get back from my appointment at the doctor which I scheduled after I took an arrow to the knee

If you people just set aside this "well, X is a Y reader, and Y reads B and C, and Z is an X reader, but is always wrong on A so that's useful too" approach to the game and just started looking at "this here, this is an ACTION, not just a POST THAT SOUNDS GOOD, but an actual doing of something, and that something is blatantly towny...where this other action is blatantly wolfy so maybe we kill the person who did that, hey?" maybe I wouldn't want to shoot everyone in the fucking knee all the time.

tim! *big squishy hugs*

tell me what u want me to do. I can't help u with your nite stuff, at least I don't think. so talk to me! who is acting scumbly?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Heeeey @Jackofhearts2005 i know you said it unironically but can you walk me through what a no-lynch does to benefit town in this position?

Nothing.

I mean if you knew you had a vanilla 3 vs 1 and you have no freaking clue who the wolf is and you yeet randomly, 3 vs 1 is a 25% chance to get the wolf (33% chance to vote right from a given townie’s perspective) and 2 vs 1 is a 33% chance to yeet the wolf (50% chance to vote right from a given townie’s perspective).

But like half of power roles change the math. The wolf having potential to get a razor kill changes the math. And even if no powers are in play, what’s the chance of a 3 vs 1 where there isn’t a towniest player that the wolf is gonna default to killing?

[Vulgard]

Radishes. What's your agenda today?

Do I need one?

Yes.

Tell me what your headspace is.

[Kylemii]

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[Kylemii]

how do you guys post so much, do you all get mondays off

[Jackofhearts2005]

PS I hate this game

[Jackofhearts2005]

Pretend I’m not really bad at math.

[Timsup2nothin]

how do you guys post so much, do you all get mondays off

I'm retired. I get every day off.

[Timsup2nothin]

Pretend I’m not really bad at math.

Every time I think you are not bad at math you offer up a proof.

[Master Radishes]

Radishes. What's your agenda today?

Do I need one?

Yes.

Tell me what your headspace is.

LC still sits low. Tim I'm putting aside and will re-consider after a night's sleep.

Jack remains likely town for me based on a loose baseline of meta. Kyle same based on Mac/Falc interactions from early D1. I'm probably going to need to listen to the thread and reconsider you; you've been super solvy but never out of a wolf's range imo, so I guess at this stage, since we've gotten a couple pelts, it's time to raise the bar.

Currently mulling over Scotty. His push on me felt the most opportunistic fmpov. But he also doesn't know me and my snarky style tends to attract SRs at junctures like this, so I'm not calling that definitive.

Gav gonna Gav. Daisy gonna Daisy. Dunno what to make of either of them.

Oh and Marmot. I've still...not even tried to read him.

...I don't remember who else without backspacing.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Pretend I’m not really bad at math.

Every time I think you are not bad at math you offer up a proof.

I got perfect math LSDs.

[Master Radishes]

Oh, TSP town, Monkey probs just scum but who knows.

[Vulgard]

If I somehow die from this, turbo tim immediately

Villagery.

I still think Marmot's town.

A wolf who's seen his partner get yeeted doesn't go "turbo Tim if he kills me." First of all, you know you will flip red, so this would be a bold, empty statement manufactured to look good. Second of all, you don't give Tim an idea to kill you if you think he's vig. Your wolf PR has been yeeted, do you want to lose another member at night by drawing attention to yourself?

This reads like a villager paranoid of Tim having KP and shooting him than a wolf TMIng Tim as town and trying to live.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Marmot is the only player being discussed for yeet that I’ll throw a big obnoxious fit to save.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I have to do isos but I don’t wanna do isos.

[Vulgard]

Reading EoD and a lot of people stand out as villagery. Those include DaisyCloud, Scotty, Jack. They seem to have a TMI-less perspective on the impending flip and it sounds believable.

I don’t like the falcon wagon.

This better be a wolf flip. I hate this game so much lolololol

domestic mean Marmot is wolf

does this*

Not sure what to think about Kyle discussing something completely unrelated to Falcon. That being Marmot. He then goes "I have a bad feeling" toward the very end. That said, the comment was too late to shift anything in a meaningful way. Not sure if I should lean town on this or not.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Falcon outing himself as Mafia for us, very kind

You're welcome

You know Daisy's vote ended on Seanzie still, right? How is that distancing?

No, I did not know that. Is there egg on my face?


What's her rationale behind her EOD posts then?

I'm gonna guess she thought Seanzie claimed but then saw he didn't and put her vote back

you know like, exactly what she said?

Actually I think he did claim...in a vague way and way too late. When he flipped it was understandable why he did not full claim in a good timely fashion. I didn't like that Daisy slipped her vote off silently, but her reasoning seemed okay when she explained it so...meh.

Would her vote being there or not being there made a difference to the lynch? I feel daisy had been very townie before this and I don't think as scum she needed to this at all. I think falcon is reaching here on this.

Falcon reaching is typically NAI, it's just part of how he hunts

Will keep that in mind.

I wanna vote falcon because I thought he was scum on D2 but people in the thread repeatedly said he was town so i stopped going in that direction but now 2 my town reads are voting tim so i am confused on who to vote.

Read on marmot? Read on Tim?

Tim can be scum and town, i am on the fence about it. He has providing info which was useful for town but he been having a bad game or good game with the lynches based on how we see it. I felt that Mac was trying to get people to lynch marmot and would done that today if he was alive. Marmot is town for now for me.

Quoting relevant things abd coming to no conclusions ho!

[Timsup2nothin]

I'm pretty decent at reading vulgard I think, I'll take a look after I get back from my appointment at the doctor which I scheduled after I took an arrow to the knee

If you people just set aside this "well, X is a Y reader, and Y reads B and C, and Z is an X reader, but is always wrong on A so that's useful too" approach to the game and just started looking at "this here, this is an ACTION, not just a POST THAT SOUNDS GOOD, but an actual doing of something, and that something is blatantly towny...where this other action is blatantly wolfy so maybe we kill the person who did that, hey?" maybe I wouldn't want to shoot everyone in the fucking knee all the time.

tim! *big squishy hugs*

tell me what u want me to do. I can't help u with your nite stuff, at least I don't think. so talk to me! who is acting scumbly?

Well, the hug was good, you can do that again.

As to the game...I'm thinking there is one wolf in Radishes/Vulgard, with an outside chance of two. Lost Monkey is descended so deep into such a small POE that I am thinking they have to be something bad. Marmot and Kyle are next level maybes, and Scotty, LC, Jack round out the tinfoil level. So basically whatever you feel in Radishes/Vulgard/Marmot/Kyle/Lost Monkey.

[Long Con]

Oh we're at this stage of the game are we.

What stage is that?

Me getting sussed.

Usually happens much earlier.

Is suspicion of you based on game timing, not your thread interactions and opinions?

What's the point of this question

Understanding you.

You've played with me before. You have a brain. You know my initial posts were largely tongue in cheek.

Stop angling to get on my wagon and just hop on with the others.

I don't remember your initial posts, are tongue in cheek post supposed to make me believe you are town? I don't know why you expect the world when your game plan is to not try and to not give a fuck.

I still don't see anyone giving good reasons not to kill LC, by the way.

Maybe because they've played with me before and they understand that I am town?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Radishes, Vulgard, Monkey, LC.

If I pretend my reads are actually really good all of the sudden, that’s all the non townies.

(Though 3P could honestly be just about anywhere.)

[Jackofhearts2005]

If I was gonna bet the whole game on someone there being town I would say

Spoiler: show

that I hate this game

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’m mad that I should just know if Radishes or LC is a wolf and I don’t.

[Vulgard]

The Falcon wagon looks pure as hell no matter how I slice it. Damn.

Both lost monkey and Gavial could've voted a real wagon but didn't. More villagery than not.

Noting that Kyle could've put Marmot to rand with Falcon instead of sticking his vote on Falcon. He did have doubts about the wagon. However, he resigned himself to the vote by commenting about it just before the day ended. If he were mafia here, I think he could've justified a voteswap.

This line of thinking leads me back to LC. Again.

The Tim/MR thing is interesting. It makes them look definitively unaligned, but I'm not sure if it's outside of their wolfranges.

One thing that bothers me is that Falcon didn't even self-pres. If he did self-pres onto Marmot, one stray vote would've shifted the wagons in his favor. This makes you think of a Falcon/Marmot W/W world. A W/W world makes Kyle look worse. In that world, Marmot is trying to get credit so he exits the PoE, and Kyle could be seen as voting for credit as well.

Does TSP randomly bus like this? I don't know?

I keep running into the problem of the PoE being too tight.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Falcon’s iso is worthless and we should have killed him earlier.

He scumreads everyone and never votes for anybody or at least, he doesn’t call it in the thread.

[Timsup2nothin]

One thing that bothers me is that Falcon didn't even self-pres.

Agreed. This throws all busing speculation into a higher order of probably wrong. If the wolves knew Falcon was totally out of contact and parked on no vote that gives one unique world of "so do we bus?" If the wolves think Falcon is dead no matter what and he should just no vote as anti-spew that's an entirely different world. When I started typing there was another entirely different world too, but I am not sure what it is...

[Timsup2nothin]

Radishes, Vulgard, Monkey, LC.

If I pretend my reads are actually really good all of the sudden, that’s all the non townies.

(Though 3P could honestly be just about anywhere.)

I am hard pressed to see Vulgard and Radishes as both wolves. Remember me mirroring Orange? This smells like that. I just can't figure out who is the innocent Orange and who is the mirroring wolf with any degree of comfort. Either way you need a fourth, so your reads still suck.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Radishes, Vulgard, Monkey, LC.

If I pretend my reads are actually really good all of the sudden, that’s all the non townies.

(Though 3P could honestly be just about anywhere.)

I am hard pressed to see Vulgard and Radishes as both wolves. Remember me mirroring Orange? This smells like that. I just can't figure out who is the innocent Orange and who is the mirroring wolf with any degree of comfort. Either way you need a fourth, so your reads still suck.

Not if we don’t care about finding the 3P.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I have this gut feeling that LC is town but my gut has mostly steered me wrong.

[Timsup2nothin]

Radishes, Vulgard, Monkey, LC.

If I pretend my reads are actually really good all of the sudden, that’s all the non townies.

(Though 3P could honestly be just about anywhere.)

I am hard pressed to see Vulgard and Radishes as both wolves. Remember me mirroring Orange? This smells like that. I just can't figure out who is the innocent Orange and who is the mirroring wolf with any degree of comfort. Either way you need a fourth, so your reads still suck.

Not if we don’t care about finding the 3P.

After GoC I think "I don't care about the 3P" is roughly equal to "just shoot me and get this over with," but ymmv.

[TonyStarkPrime]

The Falcon wagon looks pure as hell no matter how I slice it. Damn.

Both lost monkey and Gavial could've voted a real wagon but didn't. More villagery than not.

Noting that Kyle could've put Marmot to rand with Falcon instead of sticking his vote on Falcon. He did have doubts about the wagon. However, he resigned himself to the vote by commenting about it just before the day ended. If he were mafia here, I think he could've justified a voteswap.

This line of thinking leads me back to LC. Again.

The Tim/MR thing is interesting. It makes them look definitively unaligned, but I'm not sure if it's outside of their wolfranges.

One thing that bothers me is that Falcon didn't even self-pres. If he did self-pres onto Marmot, one stray vote would've shifted the wagons in his favor. This makes you think of a Falcon/Marmot W/W world. A W/W world makes Kyle look worse. In that world, Marmot is trying to get credit so he exits the PoE, and Kyle could be seen as voting for credit as well.

Does TSP randomly bus like this? I don't know?

I keep running into the problem of the PoE being too tight.

i used to but then i took an arrow to the knee

[Jackofhearts2005]

I mean kinda, yeah.

Vulgard’s iso is pretty freaking negative on Falcon.

Never votes there that I can tell. Ended up on Tim.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Protip: Be around at EOD

[Scotty]

So should we just vote @lost monkey and go get bagels?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Fucking probably.

I mostly like what Radishes was doing yesterday upon reread.

His main poe was Falcon/Tim/Nacho/Marmot but he mostly spends time on the first two and wasn’t around for eod.