The Fall of Númenor - Game Over!

[Urist]

Vote Count 1.3

Wiml (3) - MacDougall, Syn, Creature
Deli (2) - hollowkatt, falcon45ca
falcon45ca (2) - Esooa, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (1) - Wiml
Syn (1) - Gavial
Creature (1) - Marmot
hollowkatt (1) - Kami

Not Voting (2) - Deli, ignoramus



Current Post Counts

Deli - 37
Esooa - 36
MacDougall - 36
hollowkatt - 33
Creature - 33
Wiml - 32
Gavial - 31
falcon45ca - 27
Kami - 25
Syn - 22
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - 17
ignoramus - 8
Marmot - 7

[hollowkatt]

Hollowkatt all over the place, getting tilted, having bad reads, shielding probable wolves... this is town HK 100%.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

[VOTE: wiml] aubergine

Lead me mac daddy

[Marmot]

Observations thus far on players from reading their ISOs

Deli - Some of their posts are nuanced enough that I believe they come from town, specifically their esooa read. Additionally, it seems a number of people scumread Deli for defending Wiml early on, but that looks NAI to me. No issues there.

Kami - Short posts, but they seem very unafraid in tossing reads out there. It's a townlean for now, one I'll likely reconsider later or on future days.

Esooa - I like esooa's more recent posts more than her earlier ones. I think her agreement with Mac is very lacking, mainly because Mac provided 0 context for his reads, so agreeing with them is a big meh. But she seems to be making her own reads, including calling falcon mafia (which is actually not what Mac called him lol)

hollowbutt - I was torn on this one. On one hand, his posts look like ones he could believe in (I'm looking particularly at his argument with Deli about Deli's defense of Wiml). But this suspicion seems a little silly to me. Meta read on HK (yes I'm using a meta read, take that), in his last two wolf games, HK has created a heavy distancing with a partner on Day 1 (Invictus in Bluey Mafia, and Seanzie in Beelzebub). Wiml's reaction makes them look not paired based on HK's recent scum strategies, so I believe they are not W/W, but they could be any other combo. I'm going to give HK a slight townlean for now, mainly because I'm not ready to yeet him.

Wiml - I'm in agreement with a lot of others on this slot. His entrance into the game isn't very good, particular his comments about Gavial. That said, Wiml has a redeeming factor in that he's continued playing the game in a manner that seems unperturbed by the pressure, which I think is a mildly good look.

Syn - I don't recall a game where I was town and Syn was also playing (and he didn't sub in after I died), thus I can't recall a time where I've had to make an uninformed read on Syn. I'm not seeing anything yet that makes me townread him. GTH, mafia, but that's more to lack of readable content than to anything specifically scummy.

Nanook - Not out of his townrange or scumrange right now. Will reconsider on a future day.

ignoramus - Most of their ISO is fine, with the exception of this post. @ignoramus is there a reason you feel the need to force a scum read due to having a lack of them?

MacDougall - 0 scumreads so far. 2 3 townreads. Mac having 0 stated scumreads 24 hours into the day is a concern. He has made a vote, but it was a naked vote. Not a townread right now (but he could just be lazy).

Creature - One thing I really dislike about Creature thus far is their post saying ""I think I townread..." and two posts later saying "I currently feel fairly good". I have 2 issues here. 1) Creature uses two adverbs to describe the second opinion. 2) Nothing really happened to support such a confidence change. I don't mind a bunch of townreads early, but I see this a means of doubling down when being questioned about it since the reads began as soft ones.



I unfortunately have to run, so I'll get to Gavial and falcon later, but I'm going to drop a vote on Creature for now.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

I have no idea what you're talking about?? I didn't force any SRs, it's just that I have only two SRs rn so I've focused a lot on them
And very unrelated but I'm pretty sure Esooa's seen/been in a game with me where I did *not* bus my teammates and won. (or it was Wiml idk)
Planning to chill because today is a Saturday so you'll most likely catch me not solving/not caring

Your exact statement was

"I don't have much reasons to SR Falcon but I SR them so strongly because of the fact I only have two SRs"

It read to me like you had a strong scumread specifically because he was one of only two scumread. Did you mean something else? I also see no issue with having two scumreads, or even two weak scumreads.

[Marmot]

Observations thus far on players from reading their ISOs

Deli - Some of their posts are nuanced enough that I believe they come from town, specifically their esooa read. Additionally, it seems a number of people scumread Deli for defending Wiml early on, but that looks NAI to me. No issues there.

Kami - Short posts, but they seem very unafraid in tossing reads out there. It's a townlean for now, one I'll likely reconsider later or on future days.

Esooa - I like esooa's more recent posts more than her earlier ones. I think her agreement with Mac is very lacking, mainly because Mac provided 0 context for his reads, so agreeing with them is a big meh. But she seems to be making her own reads, including calling falcon mafia (which is actually not what Mac called him lol)

hollowbutt - I was torn on this one. On one hand, his posts look like ones he could believe in (I'm looking particularly at his argument with Deli about Deli's defense of Wiml). But this suspicion seems a little silly to me. Meta read on HK (yes I'm using a meta read, take that), in his last two wolf games, HK has created a heavy distancing with a partner on Day 1 (Invictus in Bluey Mafia, and Seanzie in Beelzebub). Wiml's reaction makes them look not paired based on HK's recent scum strategies, so I believe they are not W/W, but they could be any other combo. I'm going to give HK a slight townlean for now, mainly because I'm not ready to yeet him.

Wiml - I'm in agreement with a lot of others on this slot. His entrance into the game isn't very good, particular his comments about Gavial. That said, Wiml has a redeeming factor in that he's continued playing the game in a manner that seems unperturbed by the pressure, which I think is a mildly good look.

Syn - I don't recall a game where I was town and Syn was also playing (and he didn't sub in after I died), thus I can't recall a time where I've had to make an uninformed read on Syn. I'm not seeing anything yet that makes me townread him. GTH, mafia, but that's more to lack of readable content than to anything specifically scummy.

Nanook - Not out of his townrange or scumrange right now. Will reconsider on a future day.

ignoramus - Most of their ISO is fine, with the exception of this post. @ignoramus is there a reason you feel the need to force a scum read due to having a lack of them?

MacDougall - 0 scumreads so far. 2 3 townreads. Mac having 0 stated scumreads 24 hours into the day is a concern. He has made a vote, but it was a naked vote. Not a townread right now (but he could just be lazy).

Creature - One thing I really dislike about Creature thus far is their post saying ""I think I townread..." and two posts later saying "I currently feel fairly good". I have 2 issues here. 1) Creature uses two adverbs to describe the second opinion. 2) Nothing really happened to support such a confidence change. I don't mind a bunch of townreads early, but I see this a means of doubling down when being questioned about it since the reads began as soft ones.



I unfortunately have to run, so I'll get to Gavial and falcon later, but I'm going to drop a vote on Creature for now.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Everything about this makes me gag.

A post cap of 50 forces some weird strats.

[Marmot]

@Esooa is Kami mafia?

RN I'd say she's town. In the game I played with her previously she didn't really care that much and made few reads etc because she was scum and didn't really want to be. This game obviously she cares about reading stuff and is mad at HK because of what she's read

Kami’s caring is a function of her mood, not her alignment ime

Besides hollowkatt, who else are you up to lynch?

i'm almost at the point with hollow that like nah, idk that a wolf comes in and does that-- not going to clear them for being inconsistent but Idt it would make sense for hollow to be w/w is falcon and I'd rather flip falcon first.



Villa
Deli

Villa lean
wiml
marmot
igno?

Not clearing(hopefully not more than 1 wolf in here)
Mac
Esooa
Kami
Hollow
Creature

Lunch here(three wolves-- one time?!)
gavial
nanook
falcon


tbh tho it's early and this list could be very good or very bad or neither :O

Tbh, your scumreads consist of standard Syndicate LHF and people that are easy to fake a scumread on, so that alone makes me disagree.

[Marmot]

Esooa focusing on meta reads is towny for her (regardless of the accuracy of the read) and probably not partnered with falcon. Doubt she comes in this way as a wolf.

Generally she's also pushing the game in a good direction and that's town-indicative of her. Agree with her takes on Deli (and also that she pointed out Deli as being somebody likely to get mistakenly misread is accurate and I +1 that).

This statement has no basis of fact unless you have TMI.

This is a good observation, I support it.

[Marmot]

Pretty confident townreads

hollowkatt
Esooa
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Moderately confident townreads

falcon45ca
Syn

Not sure, kinda towny maybe

Creature
Gavial
Kami

Kinda scummy but I have a sense I might be reading these people wrong

Marmot
Deli

Just wolfy

Wiml
ignoramus

Don't even bother trying to townread me, it's a waste of time and you'll conclude wolf anyway.

[Syn]

Pretty confident townreads

hollowkatt
Esooa
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Moderately confident townreads

falcon45ca
Syn

Not sure, kinda towny maybe

Creature
Gavial
Kami

Kinda scummy but I have a sense I might be reading these people wrong

Marmot
Deli

Just wolfy

Wiml
ignoramus

Don't even bother trying to townread me, it's a waste of time and you'll conclude wolf anyway.

why you heff to be this way

[MacDougall]

I dunno Marmot I think I read you well.

[Esooa]

we're still killing Flacon today btw

[Gavial]

we're still killing Flacon today btw

I personally think both Falcon and WamI are town.
Probably at least 1 scum on one of those wagons.
I still think Syn/Igno are aligned with each other.

[Esooa]

or Igno

[Gavial]

or Igno

Maybe if they were a wagon.

[Wiml]

Is Mac just a wolf? He's making ~fine points but I struggle to see how he reads my ISO and comes out with a strong wolf read and omits half of the stuff that I clearly couldn't replicate as wolf seeing as I've had exactly one real wolf game ever and that game I could not replicate my townplay in the slightest in lol.

[Gavial]

Let me ask each player something here.

What is the main thing that makes you read Syn as Town?
Because I don’t really see anything from them that stands out to me as town at all.

[Wiml]

@Wiml talk to me about @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME.
Nook just talk to me about your thoughts on this game so far.

Null at the time, the other wagons sucked and I wanted to drop a meaningful vote before I went to bed. He's unlikely to be where I keep my vote tbh.

Tonally I want to say he's town here.

[Esooa]

Let me ask each player something here.

What is the main thing that makes you read Syn as Town?
Because I don’t really see anything from them that stands out to me as town at all.

tbh questions like this are probably out of Seths wolf range

[Wiml]

[ytubehd][/ytubehd]

Let me ask each player something here.

What is the main thing that makes you read Syn as Town?
Because I don’t really see anything from them that stands out to me as town at all.

Meta-wise, there's no strong reason to tbh.

[Wiml]

Esooa focusing on meta reads is towny for her (regardless of the accuracy of the read) and probably not partnered with falcon. Doubt she comes in this way as a wolf.

Generally she's also pushing the game in a good direction and that's town-indicative of her. Agree with her takes on Deli (and also that she pointed out Deli as being somebody likely to get mistakenly misread is accurate and I +1 that).

This statement has no basis of fact unless you have TMI.

it's a weird read but atm I'm pretty much just seeing wiml town reading town and wolf reading scummy people, plus I think it's not necessarily wolfy for him to be forcing reads atm

Wiml is a quality player and based on a small sample size, I think we see the game similarly so when Wiml looks at posts and arrives at different outcomes to me over and over again I think it's an indication that we are not aligned. This isn't meta proven, but based on what I've seen in games I've played with them so far I would say it holds true.

They are also reminding me of my own mafia posts. Particularly the mix of overexplaining things to feign solving mindset mixed in with snap reads that are designed to keep people off balance.

You're omitting the part where I spent like 3 hours deliberating on Gavial's ISO and pretty much saying that I hated it and didn't know why, typed up a wall of questioning explaining one of my biggest issues and immediately realised what I thought was missing in my read and came to the conclusion that Gavial was town in the way that would be extremely difficult for a wolf to fake?

[Wiml]

And on the topic of igno, I brought up that question because I was specifically concerned about an igno/falcon team purely from igno's read on them (which is something Esooa brought up later).

I still think Esooa is probably just town fwiw.

[Esooa]

I'm actually considering going Igno today because they made a weird comment about not always bussing

[Wiml]

I'm actually considering going Igno today because they made a weird comment about not always bussing

I'm probably more willing to go igno than falcon today. Falcon I need to look at again but I thought their entrance was towny. Although I'm going to look at both again later.

I also think that Mac misreading me like this is wolfy. He wolfread me for semantics reasons the only other time I played with Mac-wolf. He's only seen me play very passively and in that game treated me as an easy target he could push on without putting much attention on him (which worked for him that game).

I also want to add that I have never played at all well in a game with Mac so his sudden high reputation of my wolf game is completely from nowhere. From the games we have played, he should be severely underestimating me as a player, not the opposite.

[Esooa]

I'm actually considering going Igno today because they made a weird comment about not always bussing

I'm probably more willing to go igno than falcon today. Falcon I need to look at again but I thought their entrance was towny. Although I'm going to look at both again later.

I also think that Mac misreading me like this is wolfy. He wolfread me for semantics reasons the only other time I played with Mac-wolf. He's only seen me play very passively and in that game treated me as an easy target he could push on without putting much attention on him (which worked for him that game).

I also want to add that I have never played at all well in a game with Mac so his sudden high reputation of my wolf game is completely from nowhere. From the games we have played, he should be severely underestimating me as a player, not the opposite.

his entrance was definitely not towny

[MacDougall]

Reasonable points wiml. Except any of the ones you make to tinfoil me. Those ones are all bad.

I know you are capable of playing wolf well based on the quality of your townplay. Also aren't you writing game theory articles with esooa? If you underestimate your game so much why would you be confident enough to be making articles about mafia theory?

Anyway I'm fine with leaving you alive. Your defense is reasonable and townie. I am mostly just paranoid because your pushes while they look townie are not giving me the mind meld I was expecting.

[MacDougall]

I'm actually considering going Igno today because they made a weird comment about not always bussing

I'm probably more willing to go igno than falcon today. Falcon I need to look at again but I thought their entrance was towny. Although I'm going to look at both again later.

I also think that Mac misreading me like this is wolfy. He wolfread me for semantics reasons the only other time I played with Mac-wolf. He's only seen me play very passively and in that game treated me as an easy target he could push on without putting much attention on him (which worked for him that game).

I also want to add that I have never played at all well in a game with Mac so his sudden high reputation of my wolf game is completely from nowhere. From the games we have played, he should be severely underestimating me as a player, not the opposite.

his entrance was definitely not towny

Immediately finding 3 ppl town is actually towny for me tbh.

[MacDougall]

If you find my points reasonable that's a pretty good indicator to my alignment based on how I play both alignments btw.

[Esooa]

pretty sure Wiml was saying Falcon's entrance was towny which just isn't true

[Wiml]

Reasonable points wiml. Except any of the ones you make to tinfoil me. Those ones are all bad.

I know you are capable of playing wolf well based on the quality of your townplay. Also aren't you writing game theory articles with esooa? If you underestimate your game so much why would you be confident enough to be making articles about mafia theory?

Anyway I'm fine with leaving you alive. Your defense is reasonable and townie. I am mostly just paranoid because your pushes while they look townie are not giving me the mind meld I was expecting.

I'm surprised you think so highly of my townplay tbh, given as I haven't really played a good (performance-wise) town game with you in it like I have with Esooa or Deli. Tbh I'm willing to admit I might just be overly paranoid about good players thinking I'm better than I am? (Last time this happened it was wolf-Tim in the CFC hydra game and he used "your wolf game is better than you think" as pretty much his sole reason to justify scumreading me when I was clearly town).

I think the biggest issue I have with your push looking at it again is that it felt like you're saying I'm a good wolf so you can cherry pick the parts of my ISO you want to case me on but then accusing me of making rookie wolf mistakes that even I was trolling my eyes at (the egregious TMI slip in my Esooa read and me making an awful entrance then rolling it back later to lie about it being a reaction test... yeah my wolf game isn't incredible but I know a lot better to do any of that which is weird when you're simultaneously calling me a great wolf but casing me on things that are level 1 wolf play).

My wolfplay isn't bad so to say, I just have almost no real wolfing experience and, given that I've played about 20 town games now, it's very meta-able currently (Esooa much to my despair took a look at the first page of my only recent wolf game in the last game we played together and immediately lock towned me lol). There's still large chunks of my town play that I just haven't had chance to replicate (and trying to get another wolf rand before my champs game is why I'm joining so many games recently!).

I'm rescinding my wolfread on you. If you were wolfing, I was expecting you to double down since keeping me alive would probably hurt you going deep (and trying to bait you into doing that giving you the excuse of going after me for dropping a bad read on you / omgus) and I think your explanation here is fine wrt why you think more highly of my play than I would have expected you to.

Also,

[VOTE: ignoramus] aubergine

I still don't feel like the reason for the read on falcon is real tbh.

Wrt Nanook, I'm struggling to explain why besides tone but I think he's probably slightly above rand town now.

[Deli]

@Esooa is Kami mafia?

RN I'd say she's town. In the game I played with her previously she didn't really care that much and made few reads etc because she was scum and didn't really want to be. This game obviously she cares about reading stuff and is mad at HK because of what she's read

Kami’s caring is a function of her mood, not her alignment ime

Besides hollowkatt, who else are you up to lynch?

i'm almost at the point with hollow that like nah, idk that a wolf comes in and does that-- not going to clear them for being inconsistent but Idt it would make sense for hollow to be w/w is falcon and I'd rather flip falcon first.



Villa
Deli

Villa lean
wiml
marmot
igno?

Not clearing(hopefully not more than 1 wolf in here)
Mac
Esooa
Kami
Hollow
Creature

Lunch here(three wolves-- one time?!)
gavial
nanook
falcon


tbh tho it's early and this list could be very good or very bad or neither :O

Tbh, your scumreads consist of standard Syndicate LHF and people that are easy to fake a scumread on, so that alone makes me disagree.

Fair enough, this is my first time playing with many of you and these are the people pinging me the hardest. Syn also wolfy but nonmemorable and I forgot them on here. Happy for you to explain why any of my wolf reads are aren’t wolfy this game, and why these ppl are lhf

NA nook hasn’t made cases or anything substance, seems kinda frozen and trolly, if I’m wrong about one it is probably this slot
Gavial is over explainy, seems like they’re nitpicking
Falcon has wolfy posts and I didn’t think reacted well to being pushed, reads seemed fake

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine

If that doesn’t work I swear to god I’m going to flip a fucking table

Thats where I’m voting for now, will not vote for wiml or igno today. Hope igno plans on posting more before EoD

Ok sleep now hopefully

[Wiml]

Deli, I might have missed it but I'm interested in your read on Marmot! Would you mind explaining it some more?

[Deli]

Deli, I might have missed it but I'm interested in your read on Marmot! Would you mind explaining it some more?

Basically Marmot isn’t pinging me at all, they seem game solving and their reads list lacked agenda vibes. Maybe I’m biased because they had me at the top of their list and their avatar is cute— if I’m wrong that’s going to be my excuse and it can’t really be helped

[Deli]

Oof i don’t really want to vote with my wolf read here, wiml explain to me your thoughts on Esooa ? You’re better at reading her than me, I think I’m scarred for life from the one time she beat me lol

Looking at wagons their isn’t a pure one in sight, ig
[VOTE: creature] aubergine looks good. Do I need to vote itt and the poll? What gives?

[Marmot]

There are three Elendil right?

I am now accepting derpclears.

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: ignoramus] aubergine

[Creature]

I feel like wolves can post pretty fine in postcapped games.

[Creature]

mac what're my wolf tells

I dunno your game progresses rapidly and I haven't seen you wolf in like 6 months. You don't have all that many because you have openwolfing in your townrange. At the time your wolf game was characterised by things such as outing yourself trying to save drowning teammates, and/or pushing really obvious towny players for bad reasons. Nothing in your posting style particularly, but yeah that's mostly because you have being unabashedly anti-town in your townrange.

Based on my experience wolfing with Esooa recently, I think they're alright this game, but I should be able to better tell D2 or D3.

[Creature]

igno? - I thought igno came in really towny but after some reactions I think I misinterpreted so I'm uncertain but not willing to give up on the vibes

I'm not getting the same vibes, but I confess I don't really know how to read ignoramus here.

Did I really forget syn? I must have just forgotten about them, can't think of a single memorable post

They were very present early game, but haven't seen them lately.

Marmot seemed genuine to me and game-solvey, I didn't feel like there was an agenda and their reads just made sense to me.

Fair.

Is Mac an audacious wolf? cause this page has just been him trending downward.

I suppose Mac can do well both as town and as wolf. Would rather see what happens.

idg the wiml read at all, he's playing exactly like last game

What game?

[Creature]

[VOTE: wiml] aubergine

Lead me mac daddy

Meh

Pretty confident townreads

hollowkatt
Esooa
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Moderately confident townreads

falcon45ca
Syn

Not sure, kinda towny maybe

Creature
Gavial
Kami

Kinda scummy but I have a sense I might be reading these people wrong

Marmot
Deli

Just wolfy

Wiml
ignoramus

Don't even bother trying to townread me, it's a waste of time and you'll conclude wolf anyway.

Okay.

we're still killing Flacon today btw

Why?

we're still killing Flacon today btw

I personally think both Falcon and WamI are town.
Probably at least 1 scum on one of those wagons.
I still think Syn/Igno are aligned with each other.

Why are Syn and igno aligned?

or Igno

Not opposed.

[Esooa]

falcons last post was 17 hours ago. It was nothing but "you're reading me wrong" directed at me. He doesn't care about solving the game. He cares about solving the game when he's town. He is one of the players I know who can most reliably be read on tone. He is extremely scummy this game on that basis. Excuses don't matter. Wolf Falcon would obviously also give an excuse like that, "I just lost my zest." That's not a thing. No one cared in 1984 and I town read Falcon immediately.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

[VOTE: ignoramus] aubergine

[Marmot]

Finally read his ISO and I agree.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

[Deli]

[VOTE: ignoramus] aubergine

Finally read his ISO and I agree.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

[hollowkatt]

falcon/igno feels too easy

[Deli]

Fuck I’m starting to tinfoil, maybe I have it wrong

[Wiml]

Oof i don’t really want to vote with my wolf read here, wiml explain to me your thoughts on Esooa ? You’re better at reading her than me, I think I’m scarred for life from the one time she beat me lol

Looking at wagons their isn’t a pure one in sight, ig
[VOTE: creature] aubergine looks good. Do I need to vote itt and the poll? What gives?

It's a bit harder to explain my read on Esooa this game than last because I don't think she's done anything that makes me go "it's obvious Esooa is town" or anything but moreso a collection of small things that are harder to explain. Generally she's treated everything exactly like I would expect her to if town? Attempts to read lhf slots early and doesn't try to string them around until late game, focus on meta which I know is something she wants to do more as town, defending me when Mac made a case on me (since she should know that most of the things that Mac brought up are NAI at worst) are generally all things I would have expected to see from her this game is she randed town. I think why that's important is because Esooa isn't a wolf who tries to replicate her town game primarily, she would much rather push her agendas over getting townread or etc. So given that she's playing in ways I would expect her to play as town that I don't think she would really care about replicating as a wolf I think she is more likely than not town.

Tbh this isn't like an exhaustive reasoning to towncase her or anything but I can probably look into her further if that ever becomes necessary. She gets easier to read the more she posts I think.

She definitely hasn't done anything wolf-indicative as of yet and if falcon (or probably igno) is a wolf then she is almost always just town.

And fwiw, Mac is somebody I trust to have a good read on Esooa (and the post where he mentions she likes openwolfing is accurate and what I was referring to when I said Esooa is town because she is pushing the game in a positive direction ie. Not openwolfing lol) both because he knows her well and because he seems to read her a similar way to I do and he thinks she's town here. (Given the unlikelihood of the two being aligned and them having interactions that broadly feel unaligned I'm happy to include this).

(And yeah I read her ISO in SS, I'm not sure if I mentioned that last game).



Misc comments:

- Voting is itt yeah but using the poll is helpful.
- Marmot asking how many wolves are in the thread is actually loosely towny just because I don't think he has anything to gain from asking that as a wolf.
- Yeah there are three wolves.
- Creature, Deli is referring to the vigilante 18er on MU.

[Esooa]

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 106&t=2074

this is a scum game I had with him. Notice his opening is claiming town

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/search.ph ... a&start=50

this is 1984 where he was town. His opening isn't claiming town. It's finding mafia. He says creature is mafia immediately, votes him in his second post, then calls crichard scum in his third.

he doesn't care about finding mafia this game. He is trying to look town.

Also note that in Elder scrolls, where falcon was mafia, his first post was claiming town, like this game

[Marmot]

On one hand Falcon has spent numerous posts telling people he's town. Specifically, 12 of his 27 posts have included some allusion to his own alignment.

On the other hand, he threw shade at both Creature and hollowbutt for "having too many townreads".

oh yeah,

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine mafia

You like Mac's reads, and they make sense...he has me as Town, how does this figure into your voting?

do you have anything else to say?

On the subject of you scum leaning me? Not at the moment

This particular interaction with esooa looks like he's trying to have a little fun. He hints that Mac's townread of him doesn't make sense. Esooa responds with a good question, to which falcon just falls kinda flat.

Esooa clarified it later, what she was asking, to which falcon made his statement about Creature.

no about literally anything in the thread

Yeah, Creature has way too many players in his town list

no about literally anything in the thread

Yeah, Creature has way too many players in his town list

Am I wrong on one of my them?

Maybe? I don't know, I was only told my alignment

Do you disagree on any of them?

I currently feel fairly good about the ones I listed and having a list of players you don't want to lynch is optimal here, even if you end up needing to reevaluate them later.

I don't have enough info to say at the moment. Nobody in your list immediately stood out to me, I'm just a lot more suspicious than trusting early in the game

The thing is, I don't think falcon is that suspicious. I went back and read AIM Mafia (falcon's last town game), and falcon had four townreads before he had any semblance of a scumread.


His arguments are half-hearted, and he's quickly lost interest in them when put under pressure. He's spent more time discussing his own alignment than other people's alignments. This looks like a wolf.

[Esooa]

I care about him claiming town specifically because wiml called his opening towny when it's >rand scum. His opening isn't towny

[Marmot]

When I said "The thing is, I don't think falcon is that suspicious", suspicious should probably be replaced with paranoid there. Silly English language.