Buckets: War of the GOATs [END]

[EnderWiggin]

Can someone try and explain how my day 2 play makes any sense from the wolf perspective starting with the Alison flip. Just like do a little detective hypothesis for me.

You're Mac.

Solved.

=P

[MacDougall]

lol ill take your word for it

talk me through your reads on everyone else atm

I think Alexa is townie. EnderWiggin is null which might actually be concerning because he usually makes a big splash when he is town. I have been on board with Esooa and Nanook's reads of Mac and I don't think he's a target they would try to either misexe or bus if they were scum which means they are most likely town. LC as explained is self resolving. I think Transcend is slightly scummy because I don't understand any of his reads, but he seems committed to towncoring me which means he will dig himself into a whole if he is scum attempting a pocket.

ok this kinda sucks

but may still be town

particularly this

oh maybe i spoke too soon

It's a good read. If Mac is scummy and people call him out as scum, they are likely to be town.

that is a really good read from alison and transcend... the more I read this ISO the more the transcend chop comes off like a tragedy. Kind of a testament to his character that he didn't have a full of rage breakdown after putting forth the effort he did on day 1 and getting chopped in spite of it honestly. I shall read his ISO out of respect once done here.

[EnderWiggin]

i think im comfortable to chop in my original poe

[MAC, Nanook, TSP, Ender]

Honestly think you're townreading at least one wolf here.

why do you think so

TSP town meta. I know I'm town. Nanook/Mac is almost never w/w.

Decent chances one of them is but I don't see Mac making the daystart sacrifice play with both w in POE. Doesn't happen.

[MacDougall]

fwiw i feel like if me/you/alison are t/t/t this is like the lime matrix game (remember i told you alison reminded me of sara w/being hit or miss tunnel !!!), and it's a situation where she's tunneling you because it's your first time playing and she doesn't know your style yet, she can very very easily be a villager

I think my tunnels are more hit than miss. You saw one of the games where it was a miss, but I do see quite a bit of success with catching wolves D1 with my playstyle. I also don't tunnel as much as people think I do. There have been many games where I have spent the first half of D1 going full force on someone and then switched to someone else in the second half because I think it's a miss.

this post reminds me that at times on day 1 I actually got the impression Alison was faking her scumread of me so that I wouldn't get n1ed lol.

[EnderWiggin]

@EnderWiggin can you give me a slightly more detailed than usual read on lime coke rn?

Defensiveness is in line with his townplay, but has a lack of range that may be wolf indicative.

He's stylistically bad at expanding beyond his town-shield play when as wolf unless coached.

[MacDougall]

This game is easier if I just lock town read Alexa and ignore all the stuff that tilts me so that is what I will do.

[ilario]

Is it bad that part of me wants to tr macs essay

[alexa]

i think im comfortable to chop in my original poe

[MAC, Nanook, TSP, Ender]

Honestly think you're townreading at least one wolf here.

why do you think so

TSP town meta. I know I'm town. Nanook/Mac is almost never w/w.

Decent chances one of them is but I don't see Mac making the daystart sacrifice play with both w in POE. Doesn't happen.

your TSP town meta thing seems pretty weak to me

[MacDougall]

@EnderWiggin can you give me a slightly more detailed than usual read on lime coke rn?

Defensiveness is in line with his townplay, but has a lack of range that may be wolf indicative.

He's stylistically bad at expanding beyond his town-shield play when as wolf unless coached.

Have you read his ISO today? Specifically from when he started shielding Alexa through the push on me for voting Transcend yesterday?

[EnderWiggin]

Can I get one combination of two players from each slot that doesn't include your own name that you feel could be w/w.

And if my names is in it, a second?

Also some slots that are absolutely never teamed from your perspective?

my solve before alison died is theres

one in wiml/ender but probably not both
one in nanook/you/tsp but for reasons alluded to earlier i dont think tsp is a hit atp

i can see any combination of these being valid

why

ive done my due diligence and went over my trs, i dont think esooa alexa or lime are maf, if theyre mafia i probably wont find them until much later. ik im town

that leaves me with those 5 names. wiml/ender had some interactions in pg 40-ish that didnt look partnery to me. i already stated earlier why nanook/tsp cant be partners. in a world where wiml/ender are both town i suppose i can see nanook/you team and it was something i was considering around d1 but im struggling to find reasons to townlock either of those 2 as of rn in order to make this a viable world.

Nanook/Mac world would require Mac to make that daystart with partner perma-POE.

I don't think that happens tbh.

[EnderWiggin]

i think im comfortable to chop in my original poe

[MAC, Nanook, TSP, Ender]

Honestly think you're townreading at least one wolf here.

why do you think so

TSP town meta. I know I'm town. Nanook/Mac is almost never w/w.

Decent chances one of them is but I don't see Mac making the daystart sacrifice play with both w in POE. Doesn't happen.

your TSP town meta thing seems pretty weak to me

Alright.

What's your TSP read and why?

[alexa]

like your TSP town meta banks on him tryharding every time he is scum but if he tryharded as scum he'd also get townread so the whole thing is dumb

[ilario]

Can I get one combination of two players from each slot that doesn't include your own name that you feel could be w/w.

And if my names is in it, a second?

Also some slots that are absolutely never teamed from your perspective?

my solve before alison died is theres

one in wiml/ender but probably not both
one in nanook/you/tsp but for reasons alluded to earlier i dont think tsp is a hit atp

i can see any combination of these being valid

why

ive done my due diligence and went over my trs, i dont think esooa alexa or lime are maf, if theyre mafia i probably wont find them until much later. ik im town

that leaves me with those 5 names. wiml/ender had some interactions in pg 40-ish that didnt look partnery to me. i already stated earlier why nanook/tsp cant be partners. in a world where wiml/ender are both town i suppose i can see nanook/you team and it was something i was considering around d1 but im struggling to find reasons to townlock either of those 2 as of rn in order to make this a viable world.

Nanook/Mac world would require Mac to make that daystart with partner perma-POE.

I don't think that happens tbh.

It’s not hard to change ur poe, he’s done it like once every hour since day start lol

[MacDougall]

I don't agree with the reads you've made this game or the way you've made them. You seem to view me as obvious town but get annoyed when Esooa tries to clear me off something small and I think this might be because you are frustrated that a townie is making a correct read for the wrong reasons. My townreads all seem to suspect you.

I think Mac is your most likely partner because the way he treated you on his readslist was extremely jarring and alien.

This is where Alison started openly pushing Transcend/Mac worlds so I presume wolves get interested here given Transcend had been towning it up quite hard and I am me.

[EnderWiggin]

@EnderWiggin can you give me a slightly more detailed than usual read on lime coke rn?

Defensiveness is in line with his townplay, but has a lack of range that may be wolf indicative.

He's stylistically bad at expanding beyond his town-shield play when as wolf unless coached.

Have you read his ISO today? Specifically from when he started shielding Alexa through the push on me for voting Transcend yesterday?

I've been at work dealing with a situation where I have not had the time to happily read the game until now.

If you want anything indepth from me please wait until I get home.

[alexa]

i think im comfortable to chop in my original poe

[MAC, Nanook, TSP, Ender]

Honestly think you're townreading at least one wolf here.

why do you think so

TSP town meta. I know I'm town. Nanook/Mac is almost never w/w.

Decent chances one of them is but I don't see Mac making the daystart sacrifice play with both w in POE. Doesn't happen.

your TSP town meta thing seems pretty weak to me

Alright.

What's your TSP read and why?

wolf

people have been meta clearing him for bad reasons

and 9/10 times in my experience that's a wolf

and based on my experience playing/speccing with him hes been very different this game

[MacDougall]

@EnderWiggin can you give me a slightly more detailed than usual read on lime coke rn?

Defensiveness is in line with his townplay, but has a lack of range that may be wolf indicative.

He's stylistically bad at expanding beyond his town-shield play when as wolf unless coached.

Have you read his ISO today? Specifically from when he started shielding Alexa through the push on me for voting Transcend yesterday?

I've been at work dealing with a situation where I have not had the time to happily read the game until now.

If you want anything indepth from me please wait until I get home.

Yeah that's fine hope all is ok.

When you do have time read that segment cuz I think it is a bit on brand based on your description.

[EnderWiggin]

like your TSP town meta banks on him tryharding every time he is scum but if he tryharded as scum he'd also get townread so the whole thing is dumb

No.

It has nothing to do with him tryharding.

If he's slanking like this the only world he's wolf in is one where one of the townier players is his partner.

That's what I mean.

[MacDougall]

Esooa continuing to go on about her dumb tell read while town Alison buries town Transcend and Mac as partners is good looks.

[EnderWiggin]

Can I get one combination of two players from each slot that doesn't include your own name that you feel could be w/w.

And if my names is in it, a second?

Also some slots that are absolutely never teamed from your perspective?

my solve before alison died is theres

one in wiml/ender but probably not both
one in nanook/you/tsp but for reasons alluded to earlier i dont think tsp is a hit atp

i can see any combination of these being valid

why

ive done my due diligence and went over my trs, i dont think esooa alexa or lime are maf, if theyre mafia i probably wont find them until much later. ik im town

that leaves me with those 5 names. wiml/ender had some interactions in pg 40-ish that didnt look partnery to me. i already stated earlier why nanook/tsp cant be partners. in a world where wiml/ender are both town i suppose i can see nanook/you team and it was something i was considering around d1 but im struggling to find reasons to townlock either of those 2 as of rn in order to make this a viable world.

Nanook/Mac world would require Mac to make that daystart with partner perma-POE.

I don't think that happens tbh.

It’s not hard to change ur poe, he’s done it like once every hour since day start lol

Talking about consensus POE not his.

[alexa]

like your TSP town meta banks on him tryharding every time he is scum but if he tryharded as scum he'd also get townread so the whole thing is dumb

No.

It has nothing to do with him tryharding.

If he's slanking like this the only world he's wolf in is one where one of the townier players is his partner.

That's what I mean.

show proof then

[MacDougall]

I am disgusted with myself that I let Transcend die.

[EnderWiggin]

like your TSP town meta banks on him tryharding every time he is scum but if he tryharded as scum he'd also get townread so the whole thing is dumb

No.

It has nothing to do with him tryharding.

If he's slanking like this the only world he's wolf in is one where one of the townier players is his partner.

That's what I mean.

show proof then

Wait, of what?

That I've played with TSP slanking as town like this?

That I've read games where he only does this as wolf if his partner is in a good position?

Can you clarify pls.

[MacDougall]

does mac get caught this early as wolf very often?

i haven't played w him much but i'm giving ur thoughts about him due diligence

I haven't seen it with my own eyes but he says Hally and nutella called him out early in a game he played.

He also took heat early in Space Invaders but dug himself out rapidly with posts very similar to the ones he is making right now.

does he behave like this when he catches heat as town?

He doesn't catch heat as town.

Never make this read again lol.

[EnderWiggin]

Alright caught up.

[EnderWiggin]

Now to disappear for food.

[MacDougall]

@Lime Coke I wish to thunderdome you.

[Esooa]

Alexa - Just gonna yolo townread this slot for dumbfuck reasons
Alison - Is town because if she was a wolf she'd be trying to pocket me not chop me (how much does it suck being this easy to read?)
EnderWiggin - Is town because he asked me if I was a deepwolf or tinfoil town rather than telling me what I was
Esooa - Town unless the person we both decide to chop d1 flips wolf
ilario - Is a wolf
Lime Coke - is a town
Nanook - Is whatever other people say he is go fuck yourselves
TSP - He's in his useless townie meta
Transcend - Is town in any universe in which town are winning this mafia game so there's no point me making an actual read
Wiml - Is lock mafia

the wolves are ilario and wiml

I bid you all farewell.

5

Honestly think you're 1/2 correct here.

Back before you decided I was wolf.

Again.

okay so what I don't get about you is that you keep getting mad about me scumreading you, but you also have been scumreading me almost the entire game? do you commonly get mad at your wolfreads for wolfreading you? cuz that's pretty abnormal behaviour.

I go into my reads on you with the understanding I might be wrong.

Also not really mad about it.

I just like poking at the fact that you wolf-read me every game.

You do realise this is actually something I do to literally everyone right? My entire game is characterised by repping strong scumreads on just about the entire game by EOD 1 so I can read the content back later. It's somewhat of a meme to many people that I do this. Like you really need to stop caring lol.

yeah I kinda do the same tbh

[Lime Coke]

@Lime Coke I wish to thunderdome you.

You realize you're not dealing with the average mafia warrior anymore...

I've risen beyond the limits of a mafia warrior...and into the realm of legend...

[MacDougall]

@Lime Coke I wish to thunderdome you.

You realize you're not dealing with the average mafia warrior anymore...

I've risen beyond the limits of a mafia warrior...and into the realm of legend...

That's okay, if I die in the heat of battle because you are a better warrior than me then it's a noble death.

[MacDougall]

@Lime Coke I wish to thunderdome you.

You realize you're not dealing with the average mafia warrior anymore...

I've risen beyond the limits of a mafia warrior...and into the realm of legend...

That's okay, if I die in the heat of battle because you are a better warrior than me then it's a noble death.

[Esooa]

I'll reread LC if Mac really wants me to later

maybe

[Esooa]

also Mac you need to give me props for town reading transcend. I want them

[Lime Coke]

also Mac you need to give me props for town reading transcend. I want them

Can I?

[MacDougall]

also Mac you need to give me props for town reading transcend. I want them

I will give you props for your game if you are town in post cuz you will have easily been the best player lol.

In reality you're probably having the best game regardless of your alignment.

[MacDougall]

Which is weird cuz I'd rely on you by now to have embarrassed yourself with at least one really bad read. Hmmm.

[Esooa]

also Mac you need to give me props for town reading transcend. I want them

Can I?

I certainly won't deny it

[Esooa]

Which is weird cuz I'd rely on you by now to have embarrassed yourself with at least one really bad read. Hmmm.

I'm being less flippant. It took me to day 2 to give a real wiml read

[Lime Coke]

also Mac you need to give me props for town reading transcend. I want them

Can I?

I guess not....

I was gonna have a speech prepared.

[Lime Coke]

Oh there you are

[Esooa]

also Mac you need to give me props for town reading transcend. I want them

I will give you props for your game if you are town in post cuz you will have easily been the best player lol.

In reality you're probably having the best game regardless of your alignment.

also I hope you realize every time you make a post like this I have to try really hard to read into the wifom of it

are you trying to pocket me by saying I'm good?

would you try and change my reads by saying I'm bad?

u do that all the time

[Lime Coke]

Esooa your read on Transcend was indeed flawless. You townread him to a degree of being correct that others should look at the read and be like "man, I should really try to play mafia like Esooa."
Your read was indeed GOATED and an example of how great your reads can be in a game of mafia and no one can deny you of that claim.
You deserve to have it known that you were correct on Transcend.

[Esooa]

Esooa your read on Transcend was indeed flawless. You townread him to a degree of being correct that others should look at the read and be like "man, I should really try to play mafia like Esooa."
Your read was indeed GOATED and an example of how great your reads can be in a game of mafia and no one can deny you of that claim.
You deserve to have it known that you were correct on Transcend.

well now I feel facetious

[Esooa]

wait that's not the right word

[Lime Coke]

wait that's not the right word

Lugubrious?

Discombobulated?

Obsequious?

[Esooa]

conceited was what I was thinking of

[Esooa]

I just spilled water by trying to pour it out of my water bottle into my hand

[Lime Coke]

conceited was what I was thinking of

Nah, you deserve it.

[EnderWiggin]

I shall silently appreciate my own correctness on Transcend.

For I am a dark knight.

[EnderWiggin]

I just spilled water by trying to pour it out of my water bottle into my hand

Why