Buckets: War of the GOATs [END]

[EnderWiggin]

Ignore the shielding thing.

Read my post about how as town you try to out reads that AREN'T your shield.

And when you do those reads have some thought process to them, explaining why you got there.

I'll read over the games you linked later when I'm not at work to ensure it is consistent with my understanding of your play, but I'm not questioning the Shield part.

[Lime Coke]

Ignore the shielding thing.

Read my post about how as town you try to out reads that AREN'T your shield.

And when you do those reads have some thought process to them, explaining why you got there.

I'll read over the games you linked later when I'm not at work to ensure it is consistent with my understanding of your play, but I'm not questioning the Shield part.

That's fine that you see that I haven't been really explaining most of my townreads. That's mainly because I'm just reacting quickly and certain players I really can't explain reads for?

Like Esooa I've played multiple games with by now. I can't really explain why she's town, I'm not capable of explaining her town or mafia meta because she changes every damn game depending on her level of motivation. I just end up reading her a certain alignment and move on.

Illario relatively the same thing? Like the main town thing he has is the "town entitlement" stuff and the way he explains his townreads and the fact that he usually falls back on scumreads when he's town. Otherwise the rest of the stuff he does as town he can do as mafia so it makes it tricky to explain his game. (Alexa does way better explaining his game tbh.)

I've already explained you how I liked the whole "I'll figure out his alignment by Day 2/3" post, which ironically you're doing the opposite of that . But the effort you're putting in right now at looking at my past games and explaining the scumread on me is HUGELY towny.

[MacDougall]

@Wiml do you really scumread me for trying to project towniness from inside the POE? Is that really your best read?

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: wiml] aubergine

not vibin

[MacDougall]

alexa

Esooa
ilario

EnderWiggin

TonyStarkPrime
Nanook

Lime Coke

Wiml

[alexa]

damn when did i become #1

[MacDougall]

The way LC deals with Wiml is actually a bit weird.

READLIIIIIIST:


Town:
Alexa
Esooa
Ender
Alison
Illario
Wiml
Mac
Nanook
TSP
Transcend
Maf:

The bottom 3 are more POE.

At this point in the game he has him pretty low. Hasn't engaged with him, tried to figure him out or anything.

Next mention of Wiml he sheeps Alexa townreading him.

Wiml just feels like solid town to me

Same.

Going in here are some disassociations I have.

Alexa - Esooa, Lime Coke, Wiml, Ilario
Ender - nobody?
Esooa - Alexa
ilario - Alexa, Nanook
Lime Coke - Alexa
Nanook - Wiml, Ilario
TSP - Nobody
Wiml - Nanook, Alexa

I'm an idiot, what is this pointing out?

Players that are not teamed from my perspective

I'm mean I'm pretty sure you can add Wiml to Esooa's list because she's literally been pushing him since Day 1.

Conscious of who has been pushing Wiml.

Going in here are some disassociations I have.

Alexa - Esooa, Lime Coke, Wiml, Ilario
Ender - nobody?
Esooa - Alexa
ilario - Alexa, Nanook
Lime Coke - Alexa
Nanook - Wiml, Ilario
TSP - Nobody
Wiml - Nanook, Alexa

I'm an idiot, what is this pointing out?

Players that are not teamed from my perspective

I'm mean I'm pretty sure you can add Wiml to Esooa's list because she's literally been pushing him since Day 1.

Nah its in their teammate range. Especially given Esooa was a little bit hedgey about it d1 and Wiml was never at actual risk.

Wasn't he a wagon at EOD?

The one you were on before you switched to Transcend after getting him on said wagon for some reason?

And again.

[MacDougall]

damn when did i become #1

when you and wiml had a flare up

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

[VOTE: wiml] aubergine

Another townie naked vote

[EnderWiggin]

I WILL PUT MY RESPONSES IN GIANT BOLD LETTERS TO MAKE THIS EASIER TO READ!!!

Maybe not 200 font, but the 150 seems to work.

LC ISO:

Spoiler: show

I actually don't have a single read yet.

His first non-fluff is saying he doesn't have reads.

Then:

Whose gonna be your hard-shield this game LC?

You're voting them.

When questioned he puts this up to start shielding Alexa.

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I didn't actually townread Alexa at the time. However you asked the question, I was answering seeing that if I ended up townreading Alexa, which I did about an hour later, I would've hard shielded her like I usually do.

But they were hedgy LC.

That's what's weird I don't really know what there is to hedge yet. Only thing is a townread on me from Mac before she stated that as far as I can see immediately.

Takes my joke super seriously. Sometimes it's a scumtell sometimes not.

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I have the "Take jokes seriously is scummy" policy myself, so I get where you're coming from on this.

But in my response, I didn't think that was a joke post. When you responded with "It was a joke" that was why I responded with "I'm a fucking idiot" because I indeed felt like an idiot and I broke my own rule due to a misunderstanding.

Like, she hasn't really done anything that's her town game YET. If Alexa gets going she'll be obvious town.

Everything I do is my town game because I’m town

(I also agree I don’t think I’ve done anything AI yet if someone had a correct read on me it would be surprising or a crapshoot from numbers/probability odds)

Yes, and everyone that is townreading you that's not me has TMI.

I will then tunnel those individuals, and then complain about them once they flip town and take 0 blame.

Then proceed to lead town into an L.

I don’t think he would like not out a read on me/be hesitant to read me if he was wolfing here, to me it sounds like town who is worried I’m wolf/worried he won’t be able to find me since he worries I’m not as obvious town as the previous times I was town (and I can see him wanting to be able to catch me if I’m wolf too) so I feel his approach me makes sense as a villager

This actually kinda hits it on the head and I'm townreading you now because of that explanation.

Spoiler: show

You gotta flip wolf against me eventually, though.

LC is town, I agree.

If I'm wrong on this it'll be obvious by Day 3.

This is...fucking accurate and I've never actually said anything about this.

mac town

I can’t figure out how to multiquote from my phone but pretend I quoted this quote and also you calling wiml town and then Mac wolf

And my response is .... are you going to explain anything?

You have the quote button, then to the right of that is the 2 word bubbles, that is collects for multi-quote.

@alexa

Then this string, which doesn't do a lot.

Focuses on the Alexa read, then helps mech.

Nothing too important.

Then some more non-interactions like:

I'm town

Are you?

And then outs a basic ass townread on me like:

kind of gut townreading EnderWiggin

Agreeing with you. The "I'll find him by Day 3" post was actually kinda bad ass and towny.

Has some early townreads and interactions, also has a hard-shield player.

He then spends a majority of the next posts defending Alexa from various sussing, then susses Ilario hard.

Then Alison causes a bit of sus to come LC's direction and he fends it off okay.

Just saw that I rate a 7/10 on Alison's scum game quality eval.

Just noting here that I actually feel like I can do better than that. I will either improve or prove that I'm worth of at least a 9/10 some time in the future. /ego

Then a bunch more fluff including great snark at me.

Then:

I was eating popcorn.

Why does Nanook have a wagon?

Incidentally his first mention of Nanook all game.

A lot more fluff.

Okay but seriously.

Townreads:
Alexa
Esooa
Ender
Nanook
Illario (Sheeping Alexa)


That's all I have currently.

Then finally puts out a general townlist. This is fine.

Then plays HARD shield, which is normally a good look for LC.

THEN gets in a fight with Transcend.

THEN outs this reads list:

READLIIIIIIST:


Town:
Alexa
Esooa
Ender
Alison
Illario
Wiml
Mac
Nanook
TSP
Transcend
Maf:

The bottom 3 are more POE.

Which is just hilarious to me.

Then mostly fluff and directly joking with Alexa.

Hi. What is your solve?

Transcend is 1, and the other is either Nanook or maybe TSP?

I don't know the stuff with Mac. Is Mac capable of making that many team solves at once as mafia?

if wiml is town then esooa/Alison/ilario/transcend contain wolves with ilario/esooa or ilario/Alison or transcend/Alison being the team

if Alison is town its wiml/transcend with esooa as swing

if transcend is town it's just wiml/ilario

if ilario is town wiml is always a wolf

if esooa is town it's wiml/transcend with Alison as swing

I'm talking this type of post, is there a world where Mac makes this post as mafia?

Then moves to this Mac read, this is a little nuanced compared to previous stuff I remember from his wolf game.

Then more fluff and defense of Alexa.

Actually gives solid thoughts on why Alexa is town, but this is not outside LC wolf range.

D2 he actually asks a few questions while continuing with the Alexa shield.

Starts to press Mac hard. Most of the rest of his game is aggro on LC

THIS IS WHERE THE FUN STARTS.

Time to cross-reference.

IN JOATED:
Plays very similar. Outs strong townread and defends. Aggros on some people. Offers some townreads. Generally gets quieter as the game goes.

I actually reckon LC is in his scum range.

In the little town exposure, I've seen him make reads where he explains the reasoning for his decisions, as if showing off the way he's mentally arrived at this thought.

In this game he has only outed townreads, with the only one he's properly explained is his Alexa shield.

This is exactly the same as in JOATED where he only outed reasons for shielding Honey.

Interestingly, I actually think LC's current play is more scum!Indicative of him than town.

Turns out I can change my mind.

Okay, there wasn't much that I could actually respond to? This was mostly commentary. I DON'T know how to respond to commentary.

You say I fell off but I kinda do that as town too? Like Illario said, I start off strong, usually Day 1 I play really well, but by Day 3 or 4 I lose energy, motivation, and interest depending on how well the game is going.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... f-the-Rift

Another town game I was on my alt Mystery Player, which is not a mystery anymore . I was strong all of Day 1, then Day 2 I hard defend Neo (NEO TOWN!) and go crazy with it (Again I'm trying to calm down), but my energy level went down further and further as the game went on because it was exhausting, and SaraC was annoying me.

I lose steam in games, this game specifically is draining me a bit. Like I said in games that I hard shield Alexa, or others, I end up losing game awareness and I forget most of my reads it's an awful ass habit.

I'll post this for now but I'm going to continue on, give me a few minutes.

#51, #77, #96, #228, #323, #335, #612

Yeah this is all the thought process shit I expect from town!LC now.

[EnderWiggin]

OKAY SO:

Lime Coke as Blue Kang:

GAME 1:
Lime's Light Matrix 13er: (TOWN)
God townread on Alexa > Defends hard
#139 - Solvy post where he outs reasons on a non-Alexa (LDies - Susses him for reasons that aren't related to going after Alexa)
#234 - Reads Dota town and outlines the thought process. This is in line with the town meta I think I have for LC
I'm going to ignore the aggro in this game as LC has explicitly said they're trying to tone that part down.

GAME 2:
Deck Mafia #002: (TOWN)
#151 slightly solvy on Appel not at the same level.
#164 More of what I expect out of town!LC, solid thought process explained
#298 Directly interacts with Wiml and bounces reads off him, explains his thought process again
#347 Is a bit weaker in terms of explanation but still an attempt to outline thought process.
#361 More explanation again

I'm going to skip lmao is scum.

GAME 3:
Insomnia can't rand noob Vig 10er: (MAFIA)
No real outing of reads thought process.
#106 where he outs townreads without much thought process added.
This feels like kinda a bad game, lemme look for another.

GAME 4:
Arts and Crafts: (MAFIA)
#37 and #38 actually involve attempts to explain the process of how he reaches the reads
Hmmmm
This game actually has some of what I was considering townier of BK. Though it's not as forceful and LC tries to be diplomatic a lot (#517 trying to avoid clashes)

This is the actual evidence/info I think relevant to his alignment.

[EnderWiggin]

Plus you're noticing my reads are off, that's because my reads have BEEN off.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... IA-WINS%29

This game on my main my legacy reads at the end were "SPF AND CHELSEA TOWN" and hard shielded them.
SPF was town, Chelsea was maf.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... bed-a-Bank
This game I was on Mystery Player, my legacy reads were "SPF AND DUNYA TOWN" and hard shielded them, including me saying I'd bingewatch a show of Dunya's choosing if she was mafia.
SPF was town, Dunya was mafia and I'm watching Elite on Netflix now.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... f-the-Rift
This game my legacy reads and my hard shield was on Neopest and I was holding people at gunpoint to townread Katze .
NEO TOWN, KATZE MAF

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... Experiment
This (shitty) game I had both Alexa and Neo town as my legacy reads.
Alexa was town, Neo was maf.


You understand why I'm being so cautious about my reads right now? Any time I spout multiple legacy reads, I've been dead wrong on some of them.

I'm usually right on one player, but the second player I end up being totally wrong and I fuck the town over by hardshielding a wolf.

1st game:
#288, kinda #344, #424.

I'll admit I see less of it there but straight up there are still several posts that fit what I've been talking about.

Game 2:
#596, #735

A lot of the early game where I expect the towntell I'm slowly building you were under pressure, so I'm not surprised at the lowered instance.

Still there however.

Game 3:
I already did this, this was the first one you linked.

Game 4:
Already did this in my initial draft.

[EnderWiggin]

Let me re-ISO this game.

[Lime Coke]

Plus you're noticing my reads are off, that's because my reads have BEEN off.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... IA-WINS%29

This game on my main my legacy reads at the end were "SPF AND CHELSEA TOWN" and hard shielded them.
SPF was town, Chelsea was maf.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... bed-a-Bank
This game I was on Mystery Player, my legacy reads were "SPF AND DUNYA TOWN" and hard shielded them, including me saying I'd bingewatch a show of Dunya's choosing if she was mafia.
SPF was town, Dunya was mafia and I'm watching Elite on Netflix now.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... f-the-Rift
This game my legacy reads and my hard shield was on Neopest and I was holding people at gunpoint to townread Katze .
NEO TOWN, KATZE MAF

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... Experiment
This (shitty) game I had both Alexa and Neo town as my legacy reads.
Alexa was town, Neo was maf.


You understand why I'm being so cautious about my reads right now? Any time I spout multiple legacy reads, I've been dead wrong on some of them.

I'm usually right on one player, but the second player I end up being totally wrong and I fuck the town over by hardshielding a wolf.

1st game:
#288, kinda #344, #424.

I'll admit I see less of it there but straight up there are still several posts that fit what I've been talking about.

Game 2:
#596, #735

A lot of the early game where I expect the towntell I'm slowly building you were under pressure, so I'm not surprised at the lowered instance.

Still there however.

Game 3:
I already did this, this was the first one you linked.

Game 4:
Already did this in my initial draft.

That post was more for explaining why I'm hesitant on giving hard townreads this game.

[Lime Coke]

You didn't have to read those.

[EnderWiggin]

brad why are you voting ilario

Because Illario does whatever he can to NOT townread me when he and I are town. Even when I'm obvious as fuck town through a WHOLE game, he'll keep me at null and refuse to move me.
This game he started off with a townread on me. That actually caught me off guard and pinged me.

This is actually closest thought to the expanding thought process in reads deal.

[EnderWiggin]

You didn't have to read those.

I am a never ending WIM machine.

That's a lie but I'm like a dog with a ball in my mouth.

No wait that's a bad simile, I'm like Thanos, inevitable.

Eh anyway you get the shtick.

[Lime Coke]

brad why are you voting ilario

Because Illario does whatever he can to NOT townread me when he and I are town. Even when I'm obvious as fuck town through a WHOLE game, he'll keep me at null and refuse to move me.
This game he started off with a townread on me. That actually caught me off guard and pinged me.

This is actually closest thought to the expanding thought process in reads deal.

I had a detailed read on Soda.

Should be in my iso somewhere.

[EnderWiggin]

ROUGH BREAKDOWN:
When town (and sometimes as scum) without exception so far in my meta-dive I have found LC always explains at least a few reads in terms of outlining the thought process he used to get there.

The only games he doesn't he flips red.

He hasn't done it this game.

[MacDougall]

Is reading Alexa town for getting super upset (I'm crying etc.) a fair read or does she actually have that in her wolf-range? @ilario @Lime Coke

[EnderWiggin]

Something that came off of that though was Soda's reaction to that. Talking about him leaving me on the back burner as town to push later as scum. As if he actually had it that I was town and shaded Ender for it.
But then he immediately ran back to me being scum, which might've spewed the both of us town with the way he was going about it?

Hmmm.

Am I confbiasing and saying this is weaker and therefore doesn't count for what I'm looking for?

[alexa]

Is reading Alexa town for getting super upset (I'm crying etc.) a fair read or does she actually have that in her wolf-range? @ilario @Lime Coke

the only time that happened as wolf was when it was a last stitch attempt against a cheater lmao

and i would never fake emotions, i got emotional as wolf that game

[EnderWiggin]

these game are a better depictor of his town game.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/30377
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/31177 hes mystery player and also in a stacked lobby.


if you notice he just finds a few townreads and then just more or less trends downhill after that. if they get fossed he'll shield and if someone pushes them he'll vote them. other than that he doesnt go out of his way to fos people, you can see me pressure him for that in both games.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/31067

this is one scum game u linked, 5 posts into the game he feels compelled to make a sr, and the reasoning is " votes appletini-
Reads to me don't feel real and are just thrown together. She might not care because she's mafia."

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/se ... d=11830862

the other scum game u linked, he again makes a sr based on lvl 0 reasoning "votes awesome 5000- Awesome is doing nothing game related."

if u notice when hes scum, he feels pressured to look like hes contributing and he feels obliged he has to fos someone. he will often do so, and do it very early for very weak reasonings. so yeah, in contrary to most players, outing a few trs early game hes confident in and then coasting is just how LC plays as town.

What about his Matt scumread?

Does that not count for your "He outs an early scumread" meta?

[alexa]

i mean me getting emotional does probably happen more so as town but in general should not be why you read me town

[MacDougall]

surely the best lime coke game for meta purposes would be the wolf game he just played on this site with half the same players? why are we deep diving into his entire backstory?

[MacDougall]

i mean me getting emotional does probably happen more so as town but in general should not be why you read me town

I don't like making reads like this but they are just usually accurate.

[EnderWiggin]

surely the best lime coke game for meta purposes would be the wolf game he just played on this site with half the same players? why are we deep diving into his entire backstory?

Because one-game of meta isn't always listened to?

But anyway, I think he's kinda similar to that game. Main meta-shield, no outing of thought for reasoning, and then fading into the background.

[EnderWiggin]

Btw I am in full confbias territory here, so if anyone not LC has rebuttal for me to think about, please provide so I can consider and adapt. Because otherwise I'm going to drive this train into the ground.

[MacDougall]

Plus you're noticing my reads are off, that's because my reads have BEEN off.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... IA-WINS%29

This game on my main my legacy reads at the end were "SPF AND CHELSEA TOWN" and hard shielded them.
SPF was town, Chelsea was maf.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... bed-a-Bank
This game I was on Mystery Player, my legacy reads were "SPF AND DUNYA TOWN" and hard shielded them, including me saying I'd bingewatch a show of Dunya's choosing if she was mafia.
SPF was town, Dunya was mafia and I'm watching Elite on Netflix now.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... f-the-Rift
This game my legacy reads and my hard shield was on Neopest and I was holding people at gunpoint to townread Katze .
NEO TOWN, KATZE MAF

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... Experiment
This (shitty) game I had both Alexa and Neo town as my legacy reads.
Alexa was town, Neo was maf.


You understand why I'm being so cautious about my reads right now? Any time I spout multiple legacy reads, I've been dead wrong on some of them.

I'm usually right on one player, but the second player I end up being totally wrong and I fuck the town over by hardshielding a wolf.

this is why i never hard shield anyone ever lol

townread sure, but i'm never gonna yell at people to sheep my townreads. anyone has the potential to make you look dumb on a good day and to me there is nothing worse than stopping a fellow townie from pushing a good read because you're a pocketed noob.

[MacDougall]

surely the best lime coke game for meta purposes would be the wolf game he just played on this site with half the same players? why are we deep diving into his entire backstory?

Because one-game of meta isn't always listened to?

But anyway, I think he's kinda similar to that game. Main meta-shield, no outing of thought for reasoning, and then fading into the background.

ie. Alexa is Honey yes I had that thought. His day 1 was tonally different early on but the pattern does vibe. It probably is relevant too that someone from that game that wolfed with him and someone who caught him as town both align here. I also think Alison scumread him lightly and she also wolfed with him.

[MacDougall]

It'd be pretty annoying if we had two games in a row where LC was a wolf being hard shielded by his friends incorrectly. I dunno how i feel about that honestly.

[MacDougall]

@alexa correct me if I am wrong but your read on LC isn't lock level is it?

@ilario same question?

[MacDougall]

@Esooa do you think that wiml would find it difficult to find the correct words to push you off correctly wolf reading him?

[MacDougall]

@EnderWiggin I still think the most strictly wolfy thing that I have seen in this game so far was the TSP fake derptell. Has your TSP read updated?

[MacDougall]

@Wiml generally speaking how do you intend to deal with the nanook slot given he is determined to make zero alignment indicative posts?

[MacDougall]

@Lime Coke do you think that you are actually out of your wolf meta in this game? if yes what exactly have you done that's unlike your wolf game?

[EnderWiggin]

@EnderWiggin I still think the most strictly wolfy thing that I have seen in this game so far was the TSP fake derptell. Has your TSP read updated?

It trended down hard. It's gone from "Seems in meta-town" to "I don't like this."

But I think I have caught wolf on LC so that's where I am atm.

[EnderWiggin]

This IS starting to feel more like Town Mac.

I don't know what to think about that.

[MacDougall]

Nanook's ISO is actually pretty townie I think. Dare I...

[MacDougall]

This IS starting to feel more like Town Mac.

I don't know what to think about that.

I personally am a little bit confused how I am mafia in any of the worlds you are building anyway. Your suspects by and large are people I've tried to bury in ways that I don't think you would be reading team aligned if you bothered to check.

Like you of all people here should probably actually be town reading me on play.

[MacDougall]

I can kinda see the progression Nanook has and it's pretty reasonable. Like he snap scumread Ilario for what appears to be outing a pretty bad read on Alexa who he was townreading from the get-go and kinda shielding. Wiml defended ilario and Nanook didn't like that so he's content to see Wiml punished for it.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME if you think Ilario is a wolf what is your plan to actually resolve him given he's read town by practically everyone?

[MacDougall]

It's funny how much my tone and playstyle changes when I am on a computer with a keyboard though.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I can kinda see the progression Nanook has and it's pretty reasonable. Like he snap scumread Ilario for what appears to be outing a pretty bad read on Alexa who he was townreading from the get-go and kinda shielding. Wiml defended ilario and Nanook didn't like that so he's content to see Wiml punished for it.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME if you think Ilario is a wolf what is your plan to actually resolve him given he's read town by practically everyone?

Say I told you so and be smug while people get pissy at me in post

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Unless you feel like pushing him for me

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@Wiml generally speaking how do you intend to deal with the nanook slot given he is determined to make zero alignment indicative posts?

If my poe gets flipped I'll have a bunch of AI posts

[MacDougall]

@Wiml generally speaking how do you intend to deal with the nanook slot given he is determined to make zero alignment indicative posts?

If my poe gets flipped I'll have a bunch of AI posts

I said that before i actually read your posts in fairness. I just assumed it was as lacking as usual but I can actually see wheels turning for you in this game. I particularly liked that you called a wiml POE insane, and also when you told him that his POE contained 3-4 town.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I can kinda see the progression Nanook has and it's pretty reasonable. Like he snap scumread Ilario for what appears to be outing a pretty bad read on Alexa who he was townreading from the get-go and kinda shielding. Wiml defended ilario and Nanook didn't like that so he's content to see Wiml punished for it.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME if you think Ilario is a wolf what is your plan to actually resolve him given he's read town by practically everyone?

Say I told you so and be smug while people get pissy at me in post

This is a half serious answer

Either we're in a world where I have a better read on ilario than his friends, in which case I'm going to die before he does and he either skates to a win or his friends eventually realize he's mafia in f3 and pretend that they're great for catching him despite me correctly calling him scum in like 2 seconds while they omgused me on his behalf

Or we're in a world where I'm wrong and I've identified the wrong misclear in the towncore/it's two others in my poe


Either way, looking at this pragmatically he's not dying and I'm not going to successfully push him over, so

Hopefully you guys are right and I'm wrong

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@Wiml generally speaking how do you intend to deal with the nanook slot given he is determined to make zero alignment indicative posts?

If my poe gets flipped I'll have a bunch of AI posts

I said that before i actually read your posts in fairness. I just assumed it was as lacking as usual but I can actually see wheels turning for you in this game. I particularly liked that you called a wiml POE insane, and also when you told him that his POE contained 3-4 town.

I think I've been fairly townie for people that know me well but

You're the only here that knows me well and cares to read me, and you presumably have some residual concern about doing so after last game lol

[MacDougall]

correct

[Lime Coke]

Is reading Alexa town for getting super upset (I'm crying etc.) a fair read or does she actually have that in her wolf-range? @ilario @Lime Coke

Fair read yeah, she typically gets upset when she's town and she's scumread or someone says something that she takes offense to.

Something that came off of that though was Soda's reaction to that. Talking about him leaving me on the back burner as town to push later as scum. As if he actually had it that I was town and shaded Ender for it.
But then he immediately ran back to me being scum, which might've spewed the both of us town with the way he was going about it?

Hmmm.

Am I confbiasing and saying this is weaker and therefore doesn't count for what I'm looking for?

This wasn't the Soda read I was talking about, pretty sure I had another one that was actually detailed in there?

surely the best lime coke game for meta purposes would be the wolf game he just played on this site with half the same players? why are we deep diving into his entire backstory?

I'm a very interesting and polarizing player. Everyone wants to get to know me. I make lives better.

Plus you're noticing my reads are off, that's because my reads have BEEN off.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... IA-WINS%29

This game on my main my legacy reads at the end were "SPF AND CHELSEA TOWN" and hard shielded them.
SPF was town, Chelsea was maf.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... bed-a-Bank
This game I was on Mystery Player, my legacy reads were "SPF AND DUNYA TOWN" and hard shielded them, including me saying I'd bingewatch a show of Dunya's choosing if she was mafia.
SPF was town, Dunya was mafia and I'm watching Elite on Netflix now.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... f-the-Rift
This game my legacy reads and my hard shield was on Neopest and I was holding people at gunpoint to townread Katze .
NEO TOWN, KATZE MAF

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... Experiment
This (shitty) game I had both Alexa and Neo town as my legacy reads.
Alexa was town, Neo was maf.


You understand why I'm being so cautious about my reads right now? Any time I spout multiple legacy reads, I've been dead wrong on some of them.

I'm usually right on one player, but the second player I end up being totally wrong and I fuck the town over by hardshielding a wolf.

this is why i never hard shield anyone ever lol

townread sure, but i'm never gonna yell at people to sheep my townreads. anyone has the potential to make you look dumb on a good day and to me there is nothing worse than stopping a fellow townie from pushing a good read because you're a pocketed noob.

Yeah...I've looked like an idiot in too many games in a row tbh.

Annnnd I'll probably keep doing it because I never learn my lesson.

@Lime Coke do you think that you are actually out of your wolf meta in this game? if yes what exactly have you done that's unlike your wolf game?

Yeah, tbh I think I'm wayyyyy out of my wolf range and in my town range here.

I don't know what you guys are seeing.