Buckets: War of the GOATs [END]

[TonyStarkPrime]

I am never voting LC after four separate people somehow come together in this game state to push him like hyenas after Ender makes a case. Ew ew ew.

Okay but what if they just come to agree with my read?

i haven't tbh i'm just along for the ride

[TonyStarkPrime]

i think mac/wiml is ruled out tbh

[TonyStarkPrime]

oh it obviously is, for better reasons than what I thought

[MacDougall]

THE FACT THAT MAC HAS GONE FROM GOING TO WIML, THEN SWITCHING TO ME, THEN TRYING TO PUT ALEXA BACK INTO THE POE BEING COMPLETELY OPPORTUNISTIC OF ESOOA'S PARANOIA FROM DAY 1, DESPITE ALEXA BEING OBVIOUS TOWN, IS WOLFY FROM MAC!

HE'S SEARCHING FOR A TARGET TO TAKE DOWN THAT'S NOT HIM!

Please stop saying I'm partnered with this guy just because I don't like that half the game aligned to push him all of a sudden. Do better for fucks sake.

[MacDougall]

Like click his iso and search mac for instance.

[Wiml]

THE FACT THAT MAC HAS GONE FROM GOING TO WIML, THEN SWITCHING TO ME, THEN TRYING TO PUT ALEXA BACK INTO THE POE BEING COMPLETELY OPPORTUNISTIC OF ESOOA'S PARANOIA FROM DAY 1, DESPITE ALEXA BEING OBVIOUS TOWN, IS WOLFY FROM MAC!

HE'S SEARCHING FOR A TARGET TO TAKE DOWN THAT'S NOT HIM!

Honestly this post probably just makes LC town anyway.

[alexa]

wiml town for mindmeld

but uhh i think he has imitated that stuff as scum? i need to spot check

[EnderWiggin]

I'm having bouts of inevitable doubt.

I'm going to take a nap

[Wiml]

wiml town for mindmeld

but uhh i think he has imitated that stuff as scum? i need to spot check

I know he's capable of replicating reacting emotionally when pushed but I've never seen him replicate his reads tell as a wolf.

[ilario]

LMAOOOOOO

mac tryna defend lc
people start saying lc + mac
mac brings up a quote that shows theyre not teamed
the quote he links makes mac look bad

what do

imma just sleep

[ilario]

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

[alexa]

i dont understand why people stanchly defend themselves of being team-mates with anyone before a flip lmao

[alexa]

@alexa correct me if I am wrong but your read on LC isn't lock level is it?

@ilario same question?

my read is back and forth on LC tbh.

[ilario]

@alexa correct me if I am wrong but your read on LC isn't lock level is it?

@ilario same question?

my read is back and forth on LC tbh.

that quote from mac looks similar to how lc defended u against ldies in limes game, the only difference is this is a singular post whereas in limes game he kept pushing

[alexa]

I can kinda see the progression Nanook has and it's pretty reasonable. Like he snap scumread Ilario for what appears to be outing a pretty bad read on Alexa who he was townreading from the get-go and kinda shielding. Wiml defended ilario and Nanook didn't like that so he's content to see Wiml punished for it.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME if you think Ilario is a wolf what is your plan to actually resolve him given he's read town by practically everyone?

Say I told you so and be smug while people get pissy at me in post

This is a half serious answer

Either we're in a world where I have a better read on ilario than his friends, in which case I'm going to die before he does and he either skates to a win or his friends eventually realize he's mafia in f3 and pretend that they're great for catching him despite me correctly calling him scum in like 2 seconds while they omgused me on his behalf

Or we're in a world where I'm wrong and I've identified the wrong misclear in the towncore/it's two others in my poe


Either way, looking at this pragmatically he's not dying and I'm not going to successfully push him over, so

Hopefully you guys are right and I'm wrong

this thought is kind of villagery @ilario blah

[alexa]

@alexa correct me if I am wrong but your read on LC isn't lock level is it?

@ilario same question?

my read is back and forth on LC tbh.

that quote from mac looks similar to how lc defended u against ldies in limes game, the only difference is this is a singular post whereas in limes game he kept pushing

yeah i agree

[TonyStarkPrime]

LMAOOOOOO

mac tryna defend lc
people start saying lc + mac
mac brings up a quote that shows theyre not teamed
the quote he links makes mac look bad

what do

imma just sleep

Nah it’s too partnery to be partners

[TonyStarkPrime]

Mac if you think I shouldn’t chop LC I guess you’re gonna have to sell me on … wiml?

[TonyStarkPrime]

I could be sold

[alexa]

@alexa

I say we should vote Mac out here.

I don't like high bars.

the fact every time my vote moves to mac i get attacked is like
bordering on Not Worth It emotionally for me today even if it results in a loss

[TonyStarkPrime]

Also down to kick the can down the road and chop Nanook but don’t think that’s optimal

[ilario]

I can kinda see the progression Nanook has and it's pretty reasonable. Like he snap scumread Ilario for what appears to be outing a pretty bad read on Alexa who he was townreading from the get-go and kinda shielding. Wiml defended ilario and Nanook didn't like that so he's content to see Wiml punished for it.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME if you think Ilario is a wolf what is your plan to actually resolve him given he's read town by practically everyone?

Say I told you so and be smug while people get pissy at me in post

This is a half serious answer

Either we're in a world where I have a better read on ilario than his friends, in which case I'm going to die before he does and he either skates to a win or his friends eventually realize he's mafia in f3 and pretend that they're great for catching him despite me correctly calling him scum in like 2 seconds while they omgused me on his behalf

Or we're in a world where I'm wrong and I've identified the wrong misclear in the towncore/it's two others in my poe


Either way, looking at this pragmatically he's not dying and I'm not going to successfully push him over, so

Hopefully you guys are right and I'm wrong

this thought is kind of villagery @ilario blah

ik i said the same thing
everyone has villagery thoughts at times tbh

[alexa]

@Lime Coke @ilario @alexa @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Wiml @EnderWiggin @TonyStarkPrime @Esooa

if there was one player in the game you would say is most likely town and one who is most likely mafia who would they be? plz tag me in reply.

most likely town - ilario

most likely mafia - NANOOK? i'm kind of waffling now though.

@MacDougall

[Wiml]

I haven’t looked back at the game myself yet but this is the game that I think Nook is playing very similarly to from memory:
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... lley-Hydra

He's Nanookyle, first posts are hard to read because Kyle talks a lot as well but then Kyle pretty much stops playing as the game goes on.

[alexa]

@Lime Coke @ilario @alexa @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Wiml @EnderWiggin @TonyStarkPrime @Esooa

if there was one player in the game you would say is most likely town and one who is most likely mafia who would they be? plz tag me in reply.

town-alexa

maf-this read changes every 12 hours for me, have u seen p#4489 from me? nobody noticed my post there

LMAO we mindmeld so much

[alexa]

I haven’t looked back at the game myself yet but this is the game that I think Nook is playing very similarly to from memory:
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... lley-Hydra

He's Nanookyle, first posts are hard to read because Kyle talks a lot as well but then Kyle pretty much stops playing as the game goes on.

ugh that's unreadable because they don't mark who is speaking but noted

[Wiml]

I haven’t looked back at the game myself yet but this is the game that I think Nook is playing very similarly to from memory:
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... lley-Hydra

He's Nanookyle, first posts are hard to read because Kyle talks a lot as well but then Kyle pretty much stops playing as the game goes on.

ugh that's unreadable because they don't mark who is speaking but noted

If I'm remembering correctly, Kyle doesn't enjoy wolfing and pretty much disappeared after D1.

[alexa]

also i can't remember who asked me this before or find the post but someone said NANOOK didn't vote ilario randomly, NANOOK voted ilario to defend me

which okay, fine

but that page 2 in the game. we have since then come very far and he's still rode on a SR from page 2

[alexa]

I haven’t looked back at the game myself yet but this is the game that I think Nook is playing very similarly to from memory:
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... lley-Hydra

He's Nanookyle, first posts are hard to read because Kyle talks a lot as well but then Kyle pretty much stops playing as the game goes on.

ugh that's unreadable because they don't mark who is speaking but noted

If I'm remembering correctly, Kyle doesn't enjoy wolfing and pretty much disappeared after D1.

ah i went to page 4 of the iso though and saw a comment with (this is kyle) and gave up

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

How dumb of a read would it be to say that lime is town cause he's using large font and bold and he didn't do that in the joat game iirc

On a scale from 1 to 10 like an 8.5

Thats my sweet spot

[Wiml]

I haven’t looked back at the game myself yet but this is the game that I think Nook is playing very similarly to from memory:
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... lley-Hydra

He's Nanookyle, first posts are hard to read because Kyle talks a lot as well but then Kyle pretty much stops playing as the game goes on.

ugh that's unreadable because they don't mark who is speaking but noted

If I'm remembering correctly, Kyle doesn't enjoy wolfing and pretty much disappeared after D1.

ah i went to page 4 of the iso though and saw a comment with (this is kyle) and gave up

Lol well the tl;dr was that he hard shielded a couple of towns from D1 for reasons he never really explained outside of "knowing their meta" (like 100% confidence in them being town levels of shielding) which he refused to reevaluate even up to the point where he was mechanically 99% a wolf if the person he was shielding was town, was very snarky when people pushed against his reads but never really did much about it and I don't really remember who he was pushing but I remember every time we wanted to push one of his shields and he disagreed he suggested we push on some random townread vanity scumread of his that would never have gotten traction.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I haven’t looked back at the game myself yet but this is the game that I think Nook is playing very similarly to from memory:
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... lley-Hydra

He's Nanookyle, first posts are hard to read because Kyle talks a lot as well but then Kyle pretty much stops playing as the game goes on.

ugh that's unreadable because they don't mark who is speaking but noted

If I'm remembering correctly, Kyle doesn't enjoy wolfing and pretty much disappeared after D1.

ah i went to page 4 of the iso though and saw a comment with (this is kyle) and gave up

Nearly every time you see (kyle) or kyle (me) or similar in a parenthetical that's my post


Also ftr kyle (I, kyle) doesn't dislike playing scum, he was sick for a significant chunk of the game and it was easier for me to carry it at KILO than for him to try to jump back in full bore and show that we hadn't been talking about reads behind the scenes

[Wiml]

Also Nook says lmao but with a lot of os and that is oddly surprising to me.

[alexa]

For instance Wiml may have passed quantity markers but he has made no reads that I look at as being outside his wolf range.

Nanook has not passed any quantity markers but his reads have been more challenging to make than Wiml's reads have been.

what do you consider challenging from nanook?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I haven’t looked back at the game myself yet but this is the game that I think Nook is playing very similarly to from memory:
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... lley-Hydra

He's Nanookyle, first posts are hard to read because Kyle talks a lot as well but then Kyle pretty much stops playing as the game goes on.

ugh that's unreadable because they don't mark who is speaking but noted

If I'm remembering correctly, Kyle doesn't enjoy wolfing and pretty much disappeared after D1.

ah i went to page 4 of the iso though and saw a comment with (this is kyle) and gave up

Lol well the tl;dr was that he hard shielded a couple of towns from D1 for reasons he never really explained outside of "knowing their meta" (like 100% confidence in them being town levels of shielding) which he refused to reevaluate even up to the point where he was mechanically 99% a wolf if the person he was shielding was town, was very snarky when people pushed against his reads but never really did much about it and I don't really remember who he was pushing but I remember every time we wanted to push one of his shields and he disagreed he suggested we push on some random townread vanity scumread of his that would never have gotten traction.

I don't think I'm playing that similarly, im not vanity pushing ilario as discussed with Mac I've functionally given up on him dying, and my townresds have a solid basis imo

Also worth noting that hard defending early underexplained townreads is a hallmark of my towngame as well

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Also Nook says lmao but with a lot of os and that is oddly surprising to me.

I'm a pretty humorous guy

[Wiml]

I haven’t looked back at the game myself yet but this is the game that I think Nook is playing very similarly to from memory:
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... lley-Hydra

He's Nanookyle, first posts are hard to read because Kyle talks a lot as well but then Kyle pretty much stops playing as the game goes on.

ugh that's unreadable because they don't mark who is speaking but noted

If I'm remembering correctly, Kyle doesn't enjoy wolfing and pretty much disappeared after D1.

ah i went to page 4 of the iso though and saw a comment with (this is kyle) and gave up

Lol well the tl;dr was that he hard shielded a couple of towns from D1 for reasons he never really explained outside of "knowing their meta" (like 100% confidence in them being town levels of shielding) which he refused to reevaluate even up to the point where he was mechanically 99% a wolf if the person he was shielding was town, was very snarky when people pushed against his reads but never really did much about it and I don't really remember who he was pushing but I remember every time we wanted to push one of his shields and he disagreed he suggested we push on some random townread vanity scumread of his that would never have gotten traction.

I don't think I'm playing that similarly, im not vanity pushing ilario as discussed with Mac I've functionally given up on him dying, and my townresds have a solid basis imo

Also worth noting that hard defending early underexplained townreads is a hallmark of my towngame as well

Please explain to me your more controversial townreads and would you mind linking a game where you played like that as town? I think the strongest I've seen you defend a townread is in Scythe and even there you were mostly willing to re-eval later on you just knew TGT was 100% a wolf.

[Wiml]

Unrelated but wtf was Alison's D1 read on you that game lol.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Unrelated but wtf was Alison's D1 read on you that game lol.

I don't really remember her read so idk


Which townreads do you think are controversial?

[Wiml]

Unrelated but wtf was Alison's D1 read on you that game lol.

I don't really remember her read so idk


Which townreads do you think are controversial?

"just want to make sure this doesn't slip through the cracks cus of notification shenanigans, i was wondering whether your read that we are town because of the level of comfort in revealing that nanook pees while he drives was from made or alison?"

And anything that isn't alexa/illario/Esooa tbh.

Speaking of illario if you also wouldn't mind explaining that read I'd appreciate it.

[Lime Coke]

I WILL PUT MY RESPONSES IN GIANT BOLD LETTERS TO MAKE THIS EASIER TO READ!!!

Maybe not 200 font, but the 150 seems to work.

LC ISO:

Spoiler: show

I actually don't have a single read yet.

His first non-fluff is saying he doesn't have reads.

Then:

Whose gonna be your hard-shield this game LC?

You're voting them.

When questioned he puts this up to start shielding Alexa.

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I didn't actually townread Alexa at the time. However you asked the question, I was answering seeing that if I ended up townreading Alexa, which I did about an hour later, I would've hard shielded her like I usually do.

But they were hedgy LC.

That's what's weird I don't really know what there is to hedge yet. Only thing is a townread on me from Mac before she stated that as far as I can see immediately.

Takes my joke super seriously. Sometimes it's a scumtell sometimes not.

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I have the "Take jokes seriously is scummy" policy myself, so I get where you're coming from on this.

But in my response, I didn't think that was a joke post. When you responded with "It was a joke" that was why I responded with "I'm a fucking idiot" because I indeed felt like an idiot and I broke my own rule due to a misunderstanding.

Like, she hasn't really done anything that's her town game YET. If Alexa gets going she'll be obvious town.

Everything I do is my town game because I’m town

(I also agree I don’t think I’ve done anything AI yet if someone had a correct read on me it would be surprising or a crapshoot from numbers/probability odds)

Yes, and everyone that is townreading you that's not me has TMI.

I will then tunnel those individuals, and then complain about them once they flip town and take 0 blame.

Then proceed to lead town into an L.

I don’t think he would like not out a read on me/be hesitant to read me if he was wolfing here, to me it sounds like town who is worried I’m wolf/worried he won’t be able to find me since he worries I’m not as obvious town as the previous times I was town (and I can see him wanting to be able to catch me if I’m wolf too) so I feel his approach me makes sense as a villager

This actually kinda hits it on the head and I'm townreading you now because of that explanation.

Spoiler: show

You gotta flip wolf against me eventually, though.

LC is town, I agree.

If I'm wrong on this it'll be obvious by Day 3.

This is...fucking accurate and I've never actually said anything about this.

mac town

I can’t figure out how to multiquote from my phone but pretend I quoted this quote and also you calling wiml town and then Mac wolf

And my response is .... are you going to explain anything?

You have the quote button, then to the right of that is the 2 word bubbles, that is collects for multi-quote.

@alexa

Then this string, which doesn't do a lot.

Focuses on the Alexa read, then helps mech.

Nothing too important.

Then some more non-interactions like:

I'm town

Are you?

And then outs a basic ass townread on me like:

kind of gut townreading EnderWiggin

Agreeing with you. The "I'll find him by Day 3" post was actually kinda bad ass and towny.

Has some early townreads and interactions, also has a hard-shield player.

He then spends a majority of the next posts defending Alexa from various sussing, then susses Ilario hard.

Then Alison causes a bit of sus to come LC's direction and he fends it off okay.

Just saw that I rate a 7/10 on Alison's scum game quality eval.

Just noting here that I actually feel like I can do better than that. I will either improve or prove that I'm worth of at least a 9/10 some time in the future. /ego

Then a bunch more fluff including great snark at me.

Then:

I was eating popcorn.

Why does Nanook have a wagon?

Incidentally his first mention of Nanook all game.

A lot more fluff.

Okay but seriously.

Townreads:
Alexa
Esooa
Ender
Nanook
Illario (Sheeping Alexa)


That's all I have currently.

Then finally puts out a general townlist. This is fine.

Then plays HARD shield, which is normally a good look for LC.

THEN gets in a fight with Transcend.

THEN outs this reads list:

READLIIIIIIST:


Town:
Alexa
Esooa
Ender
Alison
Illario
Wiml
Mac
Nanook
TSP
Transcend
Maf:

The bottom 3 are more POE.

Which is just hilarious to me.

Then mostly fluff and directly joking with Alexa.

Hi. What is your solve?

Transcend is 1, and the other is either Nanook or maybe TSP?

I don't know the stuff with Mac. Is Mac capable of making that many team solves at once as mafia?

if wiml is town then esooa/Alison/ilario/transcend contain wolves with ilario/esooa or ilario/Alison or transcend/Alison being the team

if Alison is town its wiml/transcend with esooa as swing

if transcend is town it's just wiml/ilario

if ilario is town wiml is always a wolf

if esooa is town it's wiml/transcend with Alison as swing

I'm talking this type of post, is there a world where Mac makes this post as mafia?

Then moves to this Mac read, this is a little nuanced compared to previous stuff I remember from his wolf game.

Then more fluff and defense of Alexa.

Actually gives solid thoughts on why Alexa is town, but this is not outside LC wolf range.

D2 he actually asks a few questions while continuing with the Alexa shield.

Starts to press Mac hard. Most of the rest of his game is aggro on LC

THIS IS WHERE THE FUN STARTS.

Time to cross-reference.

IN JOATED:
Plays very similar. Outs strong townread and defends. Aggros on some people. Offers some townreads. Generally gets quieter as the game goes.

I actually reckon LC is in his scum range.

In the little town exposure, I've seen him make reads where he explains the reasoning for his decisions, as if showing off the way he's mentally arrived at this thought.

In this game he has only outed townreads, with the only one he's properly explained is his Alexa shield.

This is exactly the same as in JOATED where he only outed reasons for shielding Honey.

Interestingly, I actually think LC's current play is more scum!Indicative of him than town.

Turns out I can change my mind.

Okay, there wasn't much that I could actually respond to? This was mostly commentary. I DON'T know how to respond to commentary.

You say I fell off but I kinda do that as town too? Like Illario said, I start off strong, usually Day 1 I play really well, but by Day 3 or 4 I lose energy, motivation, and interest depending on how well the game is going.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... f-the-Rift

Another town game I was on my alt Mystery Player, which is not a mystery anymore . I was strong all of Day 1, then Day 2 I hard defend Neo (NEO TOWN!) and go crazy with it (Again I'm trying to calm down), but my energy level went down further and further as the game went on because it was exhausting, and SaraC was annoying me.

I lose steam in games, this game specifically is draining me a bit. Like I said in games that I hard shield Alexa, or others, I end up losing game awareness and I forget most of my reads it's an awful ass habit.

I'll post this for now but I'm going to continue on, give me a few minutes.

To add to why I don’t like this post:

His initial reaction is “okay there isn’t much that I can actually respond to? I don’t know how to respond to commentary”

Why does he feel the need to be able to respond to anything? I feel like that’s more of a scum mindset, where you see a case against you and you need to try and disprove it. I feel like my first instinct if I were to see a case on me would be to determine if the case is coming in good or bad faith. I don’t feeel like LC does anything there to evaluate Enders push on him.

Because I respond to everyone and everything that talks about scumreading or mentioning me. It's a habit but I really don't think it's a bad thing.

[Lime Coke]

By the way, I just woke up and I'm off work today!

That means I'll be here for EOD!

You don't have to boo me anymore!

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Unrelated but wtf was Alison's D1 read on you that game lol.

I don't really remember her read so idk


Which townreads do you think are controversial?

"just want to make sure this doesn't slip through the cracks cus of notification shenanigans, i was wondering whether your read that we are town because of the level of comfort in revealing that nanook pees while he drives was from made or alison?"

And anything that isn't alexa/illario/Esooa tbh.

Speaking of illario if you also wouldn't mind explaining that read I'd appreciate it.

Lmao yeah that was an interesting one

I didn't like ilario's interactions around alexa early, there were a couple posts that showed a combination of awkwardness and self awareness that reads as scummy to me. I think his trans handling was kinda meh, but that's harder to judge. I think he's mostly been pushing pro scum poe, although tbf he's not alone in that regard fmpov.

Its a bit of an ego tunnel atp I guess but I don't really care


Mac had a townie eod1, and I think the work he's done today is largely out of his scumrange. That may be a bit of an exaggeration, and the counterargument is that if he's mafia here he's likely trying his ass off given the playerlist, but yeah, I think given his reads and his play he's probably just town

Ender is a bit of a lazier read tbh, he reads similar to his play in scythe to me, and I have a decent record of correctly tolerating him, so I just locked it in.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Unrelated but wtf was Alison's D1 read on you that game lol.

I don't really remember her read so idk


Which townreads do you think are controversial?

"just want to make sure this doesn't slip through the cracks cus of notification shenanigans, i was wondering whether your read that we are town because of the level of comfort in revealing that nanook pees while he drives was from made or alison?"

And anything that isn't alexa/illario/Esooa tbh.

Speaking of illario if you also wouldn't mind explaining that read I'd appreciate it.

Lmao yeah that was an interesting one

I didn't like ilario's interactions around alexa early, there were a couple posts that showed a combination of awkwardness and self awareness that reads as scummy to me. I think his trans handling was kinda meh, but that's harder to judge. I think he's mostly been pushing pro scum poe, although tbf he's not alone in that regard fmpov.

Its a bit of an ego tunnel atp I guess but I don't really care


Mac had a townie eod1, and I think the work he's done today is largely out of his scumrange. That may be a bit of an exaggeration, and the counterargument is that if he's mafia here he's likely trying his ass off given the playerlist, but yeah, I think given his reads and his play he's probably just town

Ender is a bit of a lazier read tbh, he reads similar to his play in scythe to me, and I have a decent record of correctly tolerating him, so I just locked it in.

*correctly townreading

And tolerating I guess lolol

[Lime Coke]

@Lime Coke what's your read on me?

I think you're just town struggling to get into the game with your issues. It reminds me of Last Will where you couldn't get your feet under you and it made you look awful, but once you actually got your footing you played extremely well.
Like I think I get why Esooa is sus of you, but I'm fine with giving you 1 more day so you can bounce back strongly.

[Lime Coke]

@alexa

I say we should vote Mac out here.

I don't like high bars.

the fact every time my vote moves to mac i get attacked is like
bordering on Not Worth It emotionally for me today even if it results in a loss

Well that's what I'm here for, is to attack them back.

I'm getting whiplash from the fact that Mac is white knighting me. His reaction to Wiml doesn't make me want to vote him either though.

[alexa]

@alexa I'd really like to hear the confidence you have in your ilario and LC townreads out of 10 and also your top town and wolf reads.

ilario - 10/10
Lime Coke - 6/10 ..?

esooa is my top townread outside of ilario. like if i was going to widen my POE i'd call it [Wiml, LC, Mac, Ender, Tony, Nanook]
i'm coming around to lean town on TSP after ISOing him yesterday and doing some investigating
Wiml/LC i have as town with less confidence than day one

i'm still kind of at a solve of one in Ender/LC + One in Nanook/Mac with an outside chance of Wiml i think

[alexa]

@alexa

I say we should vote Mac out here.

I don't like high bars.

the fact every time my vote moves to mac i get attacked is like
bordering on Not Worth It emotionally for me today even if it results in a loss

Well that's what I'm here for, is to attack them back.

I'm getting whiplash from the fact that Mac is white knighting me. His reaction to Wiml doesn't make me want to vote him either though.

i wish i could feel more solidly confident in you being town..

[Wiml]

Technical test.

[Wiml]

Unrelated but wtf was Alison's D1 read on you that game lol.

I don't really remember her read so idk


Which townreads do you think are controversial?

"just want to make sure this doesn't slip through the cracks cus of notification shenanigans, i was wondering whether your read that we are town because of the level of comfort in revealing that nanook pees while he drives was from made or alison?"

And anything that isn't alexa/illario/Esooa tbh.

Speaking of illario if you also wouldn't mind explaining that read I'd appreciate it.

Lmao yeah that was an interesting one

I didn't like ilario's interactions around alexa early, there were a couple posts that showed a combination of awkwardness and self awareness that reads as scummy to me. I think his trans handling was kinda meh, but that's harder to judge. I think he's mostly been pushing pro scum poe, although tbf he's not alone in that regard fmpov.

Its a bit of an ego tunnel atp I guess but I don't really care


Mac had a townie eod1, and I think the work he's done today is largely out of his scumrange. That may be a bit of an exaggeration, and the counterargument is that if he's mafia here he's likely trying his ass off given the playerlist, but yeah, I think given his reads and his play he's probably just town

Ender is a bit of a lazier read tbh, he reads similar to his play in scythe to me, and I have a decent record of correctly tolerating him, so I just locked it in.

Thanks. Wrt illario he has a very distinct dynamic with alexa and they're pretty much like mafia best buds in that regard and interwine their play a lot (source: having played with them a lot) and in the nicest way possible he's known for having really wild reads.

Mac's EoD was towny to me pretty much solely because I think he had a very real chance to get me flipped and decided not to (especially when Trans flipping town would be a bad look for him anyway). Tbh I don’t see really see where you're coming from with your point about his D2 though, I think it's been really wolfy tbh. Would you mind expanding on your read?

Tbh I pretty much agree exactly with what you've said about Ender, I'm just not going to town lock him over it.