Buckets: War of the GOATs [END]

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Let's all remember this is a game and be nice, there are no stakes its not worth getting agitated over

[Wiml]

most of the thread thinks you're a wolf so i'm not sure why you're appealing specifically to me anyway. just ignore me if i'm frustrating you.

Are you literally this unaware of yourself?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Oh hey I went past Alison today, nice

Take that you slanker

[alexa]

most of the thread thinks you're a wolf so i'm not sure why you're appealing specifically to me anyway. just ignore me if i'm frustrating you.

you have 840 posts
i have 180 posts
we are not the same

they are not 840 posts of pushing on wiml

in fact i'm likely not going to say anything else about it and i'll blame esooa and Mac if it's wrong. the fact of the matter is, i've spent most of the game defending wiml - defending him to Mac, to Esooa, to the thread in general. on day 3, it is a widely townread villager's job to consider why they're being left alive. FMPOV, i'm being left alive because my POE is wrong one of the people i'm hard shielding (Wiml/Ilario) is a wolf. if Illario gets scummy today then okay but i think he's just a villager.

[alexa]

most of the thread thinks you're a wolf so i'm not sure why you're appealing specifically to me anyway. just ignore me if i'm frustrating you.

Are you literally this unaware of yourself?

stop interacting with me please

[TonyStarkPrime]

i think that's a good position tbh

[TonyStarkPrime]

not that

[Wiml]

Gg I'm done.

[juliets]

Hi everyone, friendly reminder that this is just a game and we are all friends at the end of the day. Please take a break if you are upset or frustrated or send me or Hally a message. We will be happy to talk to you.

[EnderWiggin]

LC has made a big deal about feeling bad about his bad reads.

But has shown no remorse for flipping Mac and immediately cases and hard-goes after Mac's TR.

[EnderWiggin]

Especially as his case on Mac was very confident.

[EnderWiggin]

And yet rather than being shaken at being so wrong on Mac, instead his confidence is renewed as he hard-pushes Nanook today.

[EnderWiggin]

I really don't feel like this is the actions of a town LC

[EnderWiggin]

[VOTE: LimeCoke] aubergine

I'm not convinced this isn't just a hit.

[Lime Coke]

Also the fact that alexa and ilario are both still alive atp pretty strongly suggests one of them is mafia

that's pretty not true, ilario and i have been left alive for awhile as t/t because we were either pushing wrong reads or people were pushing on us

and alison was, as you noted, a common N1 kill
and Syn was a wildcard who subbed into a universally townread slot

like yeah it makes me want to re-val him but i don't think it strongly suggests anything. in fact he tends to kill me pretty early when he's scum because he feels bad manipulating me, i can show you examples

I think any team with players who are experienced with you and illario would never allow you both to be alive in F7 if t/t, only because even if your reasons for townreading each other are bad I think I have literally never seen you reevaluate each other once locked in for like the 10+ games we've played together.

Has one of them ever gotten the other wrong

EM players are historically dreadful at misclearing each other lol but I think alexa/illario are pretty good at reading each other correctly (or at least alexa is at illario, I've never seen wolf alexa town illario before).

Fwiw that illario wolf game I linked you ages ago ended recently where alexa initially tunneled him really hard but came round to calling him 95% likely town. She was wrong in the end but her confidence in him being town was a lot less than it was here.

This is also the reason why I said my illario read was out of my wolfrange yesterday but that's another topic.

Hey...I take offense to that...I read most of my EMers pretty well.

I have never seen alexa be this confident on an EM player read and be wrong ever (with the possible exception of her Neo tunnel but that was different and a scumread).

And I was right on Neo that game!

TAKE THAT ALEXA!

NEO TOWN!

anyways here's where we're at:

alexa is hard townshielding ilario
wiml is hard townshielding alexa
ender is hard anti-townshielding LC
nanook is sheeping mac
tsp is probably also sheeping mac when it comes down to it
alexa thinks wiml is town
ender probably has to be a wolf?
but ender probably isn't a wolf with wiml according to the fact that I'm sheeping mac and he said so for reasons I don't remember
also i don't think ender is a wolf
so then it's probably wiml/LC
but alexa doesn't think it's that
am i misreading nanook?
eh
no

You forgot the part where I'm also townshielding Alexaaaaaa?

team is lc/wiml they don't kill alexa because alexa is basically a third wolf and alexa's not surprised by this because... she knows it to be true?

In that case I would always kill illario.

He's being hard shielded by alexa and wanted me dead half of D2.

I always kill Illario if I'm mafia. Like I said he's never been voted off on FM as far as I remember. So why would you keep what is basically unlynchable if you're mafia?

Alexa if you're the third wolf in any world where I'm a wolf then fine.

But we just kill the ayer you're hard shielding with completely different pushes to you for most of the day.

read my posts and tell me i'm shielding ilario any more than i'm shielding esooa? the only reason it's obvious is because NO ONE else sussed esooa. this discussion is pointless. if you're arguing that esooa was ever a plausible push then prove it

I'm in the same boat. If Esooa got sus'd I would've hard shielded. But Esooa never got sus'd so Esooa didn't get town shielded.

i think nanook telling lime to call his vote is maybe arbitrarily nagl

syn was the best kill for anyone who wanted to drum up suspicion on me/ilario or get us paranoia of each other. syn was never going to be misyeeted

@TonyStarkPrime read my posts today & see

alexa saying that esooa was an obvious villager is something I do as town all the time after someone I'm unsure about flips so I think it's pretty towny from alexa which is good because i have a wolf post count record to maintain

Alexa/Ilario are probably t/t.

Alexa seems fairly inno and Ilario shields.

And I've said Ilario probably town from d1.

LC is still probably red, but I'll have to read their case/etc.

@EnderWiggin Have you read the case yet?

everyone: huh weird kill
alexa: no how dare you it made perfect sense when we went over it in scum chat

This is actually pretty funny.

Alexa town though if that isn't clear.

[Lime Coke]

I missed like 4 fucking posts that I wanted to respond to.

Hold on.

[Lime Coke]

i think nanook telling lime to call his vote is maybe arbitrarily nagl

I don't understand the shading about me not outing my vote via post? I literally tossed a case. He fumbled it.

syn was the best kill for anyone who wanted to drum up suspicion on me/ilario or get us paranoia of each other. syn was never going to be misyeeted

@TonyStarkPrime read my posts today & see

I can see that happening. Like I said thought if there's a mafia between you 2 it has to be Ilario.

I don't think TSP is the one to go to here though, he's probably mafia with Nanook.

[Lime Coke]

LC has made a big deal about feeling bad about his bad reads.

But has shown no remorse for flipping Mac and immediately cases and hard-goes after Mac's TR.

Look I DO feel bad about literally tunneling Mac to death and he was town. I feel obligated to steer town in the right direction and right my wrong. Because when I'm wrong, I'd rather be right, and I have that right to be right, dammit!

Especially as his case on Mac was very confident.

It was confident! Not my fault that Mac didn't flip mafia. It's Mac's fault for not being mafia.

And yet rather than being shaken at being so wrong on Mac, instead his confidence is renewed as he hard-pushes Nanook today.

Like I said, I'm trying to correct my mistakes and push forward and try to move town to the right direction. It's my responsibility, and what matters is when people take responsibilities for their actions! Because actions have consequences god dammit!

I really don't feel like this is the actions of a town LC

How dare you...

[Lime Coke]

@alexa

Have YOU read the Nanook case yet?

[alexa]

ok that last post from LC is actually villagery af

yes @Lime Coke but i have some problems with it

why do you think Wiml is town?

[Lime Coke]

ok that last post from LC is actually villagery af

yes @Lime Coke but i have some problems with it

why do you think Wiml is town?

What are the problems?

[alexa]

ok that last post from LC is actually villagery af

yes @Lime Coke but i have some problems with it

why do you think Wiml is town?

What are the problems?

first thing that sticks out from memory is the "TMI" read on transcend because transcend was nook's first townread, why would that approach be considered TMI?
i will go through it for real though actually in the morning i'm kind of too tired to game right now but yeah

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

i think nanook telling lime to call his vote is maybe arbitrarily nagl

I don't understand the shading about me not outing my vote via post? I literally tossed a case. He fumbled it.

syn was the best kill for anyone who wanted to drum up suspicion on me/ilario or get us paranoia of each other. syn was never going to be misyeeted

@TonyStarkPrime read my posts today & see

I can see that happening. Like I said thought if there's a mafia between you 2 it has to be Ilario.

I don't think TSP is the one to go to here though, he's probably mafia with Nanook.

I was just trying to get you to follow the op directions idc about your vote or case

[Lime Coke]

ok that last post from LC is actually villagery af

yes @Lime Coke but i have some problems with it

why do you think Wiml is town?

What are the problems?

first thing that sticks out from memory is the "TMI" read on transcend because transcend was nook's first townread, why would that approach be considered TMI?
i will go through it for real though actually in the morning i'm kind of too tired to game right now but yeah

Because who ACTUALLY townreads Transcend in this game? Even if you "say" you townread him, you never actually meant it. Fuck him, ya'know.

Nanook just threw a townread on Transcend and never explained why. It's a TMI read.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean I did have tmi of a sort on trans, I knew he was mafia in batman and thats what I was comparing to

But obviously couldn't say that at the time cause it was ongoing

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

ok that last post from LC is actually villagery af

yes @Lime Coke but i have some problems with it

why do you think Wiml is town?

What are the problems?

first thing that sticks out from memory is the "TMI" read on transcend because transcend was nook's first townread, why would that approach be considered TMI?
i will go through it for real though actually in the morning i'm kind of too tired to game right now but yeah

Because who ACTUALLY townreads Transcend in this game? Even if you "say" you townread him, you never actually meant it. Fuck him, ya'know.

Nanook just threw a townread on Transcend and never explained why. It's a TMI read.

Idk dude he looked like obvious town to me

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Also tmi aside the % of the time that the highest poster d1 gets flipped and is mafia is really really low

[Lime Coke]

ok that last post from LC is actually villagery af

yes @Lime Coke but i have some problems with it

why do you think Wiml is town?

What are the problems?

first thing that sticks out from memory is the "TMI" read on transcend because transcend was nook's first townread, why would that approach be considered TMI?
i will go through it for real though actually in the morning i'm kind of too tired to game right now but yeah

Because who ACTUALLY townreads Transcend in this game? Even if you "say" you townread him, you never actually meant it. Fuck him, ya'know.

Nanook just threw a townread on Transcend and never explained why. It's a TMI read.

Idk dude he looked like obvious town to me

That's not a real thought.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Yeah heaven forbid i read someone correctly, that's illegal

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean tbf I had an advantage but im still gonna gloat

[Lime Coke]

Yeah heaven forbid i read someone correctly, that's illegal

It's not a read I made so it's TMI.

[Lime Coke]

@alexa

You know what? I think I know what's wrong with the case...

I needed to look at it from a different angle.

Can you do me a favor and read the case again if I post it?

Maybe if I replace my analysis with cat pictures that go with what's going on in the quotes you'd vote Nanook?

Spoiler: show

Hard townread Transcend

What are people doing on obvtown transcend, smh hes billboard town

Because I respect a lot of the players in here, and people I respect have respect for some of the other players.

Which suggests it's a strong field.

Meh most players are not that hard to read

what reads do you have rn

You and transcend are billboard town

Ender is probably town

Someone else idr who but im sure its in my iso

Ok so since the thread died and I've got nowhere better to talk about this.

I ate a burger with macaroni cheese because that's apparently a thing in America and it was actually nice.

Please ignore me now.

lol is it? i've never had that

Because I respect a lot of the players in here, and people I respect have respect for some of the other players.

Which suggests it's a strong field.

Meh most players are not that hard to read

what reads do you have rn

You and transcend are billboard town

Ender is probably town

Someone else idr who but im sure its in my iso

why's transcend town?

I'm good at reads

Because I respect a lot of the players in here, and people I respect have respect for some of the other players.

Which suggests it's a strong field.

Meh most players are not that hard to read

what reads do you have rn

You and transcend are billboard town

Ender is probably town

Someone else idr who but im sure its in my iso

Talk me through Ender please.

I'm good at reads

What is "billboard town" and how do I get one?

Billboard town is someone so obviously town its like there's a billboard with their face on it that says "this person is town"

-refuses to explain read on Transcend
-wolfreads ilario

content bad nanook

I don't really do cases

[VOTE: ilario] aubergine

Im hard defending alexa, a decision i surely will not regret

God I can't get over how town I am.

tbh, i believe you here

Two mafia right here bingo bango

Describe why ilario is scum in like 20 words

The reason that ilario is scum in like twenty words is because they randed mafia this game. That's twenty exactly.

I skimmed through the opening of ilario's scum game that you linked wiml and it doesn't seem like a dramatic difference to me? Maybe I'll read it in depth more later but yeah not seeing it atm

Tbf it's a lot like alexa said. Like the best comparison is a player like Esooa who is a really capable wolf but half of her town games are just very different and she's easy to find in them?

alexa in particular is a good enough illario reader that she was so (correctly) confident that a red peek on him was fake that she wanted to chop the (real) cop.

I think the one thing that is a tangible non-meta difference is how much he focuses on pushing agendas. One thing I recall noticing in a lot of illario's wolf games is that there's a lack of real depth to his ISOs and he mostly just pushes opportunistic takes. I talked about it earlier but he's a very A to B style wolf.

If he's still in doubt later then I'll go through his wolf games and try to actively towncase why he's town this game since it's a but difficult to do outside of meta. But I'm like 90% confident he is tbh.

I mean, fmpov pushing me IS a pretty opportunistic take, yeah?

Why ilario specifically and not the other people pushing you?

I'm not SRing him for pushing me, im just pointing out that "he's opportunistic as mafia" isn't a reason to clear him fmpov given his push on me

tbh me wanting to policy nanook is my town tell

This is also sort of unironically true lol.

Good lord

The real read is that Esooa really doesn't like killing plwyers she sees as LHF as a wolf on D1 (as she wants easier miselims to endgame / doesn't bus excessively) so her actually pushing for this is >rand town lol.

She's completely self aware of this though so I'm not putting a huge amount of stock into it outside of a snappy comment.

Her pushing me specifically is most certainly not >rand town. Its >rand esooa and thats it.

For the sake of discussion let's just say that I'm lock clearing everyone who isn't in my active PoE.

So alexa, Esooa, LC, Alison, TSP.

Where are the wolves in that list?

Alison or lime

Maybe tsp, dependent on ilario's flip

Tbf I wouldn't be incredibly shocked if there was a wolf in those three names, particularly because I no longer have a reason to TR Alison as strongly and her attempt at a push on me felt like a stretch.

TSP if illario is town? Do you have any familiarity with him and his meta?

Also seriously please explain why you think blade is town here lol. I'm usually not bad at reading him but I'm not seeing it here tbh.

With tsp? Yes, lots. It rarely helps.

I'm good at reading blade idk what to tell you. He has townie drive, is that something that'll convince you?

Thanks. Most importantly: does TSP ever slank like this as a wolf in his normal wolf games? If no, do you think he'd be capable of taking a step back this game if he had a sufficiently strong partner? I talked about my thoughts on that earlier but I'm interested in hearing what you think with actual experience playing with him lol.

As for blade, not really tbh. Do you have any thoughts on him claiming that I haven't towntold yet but then sort of rolling that back and saying that I hadn't done anything town indicative yet instead? (After I called him out because I knew he had no real town tells on me and was pushing that in bad faith).

Tsp is capable of slanking as either alignment


I do not, I found that exchange entirely meaningless.

Honestly I think both wolves are probably just in Transcend/blade/Nook/Mac.

This is an insane read

i actually agree with it atm

alexa is obviously town.
illario is obviously town.
Esooa and LC are both in their town ranges.
I'm waiting for more responses but I honestly don't think alison would fake a derp clear like that for no reason?
Willing to sheep the TSP meta for now as well.

i mean i don't think alison is town for that reason, she quite literally admitted she'd fake a derp, but i've found her villagery by play thus far

I'm not going to just clear Alison on this one thing forever but I know personally if I were town in Alison's situation and made a genuine slip then I think I would lie about it being NAI tbh (and I have in the past when being cleared for genuine townslips). I find them to be pretty dirty and getting cleared for them feels really demeaning lol. I think it comes from Alison as town the overwhelming majority of the time tbh.

This is not a good read lol

Idk mac are you town

yes I am le town

What are your reads

didn't you vote me because you read my reads post and didn't like it?

No im voting you cause I tr transcend

I mean you could probably talk me into other options, im not confident at all on wiml

Mac, lime, Alison, all currently in my poe and I could be talked into voting

if u r town trying to vote out mafia why r u doing the bare minimum to explain ur read especially when it defies thread consensus

i don't understand ur approach but i don't sr it either

I don't really "make pushes" or "case people," I just say my reads and eventually people listen to them and/or I die

who is another wolf besides ilario

Pick one out of mac wiml Alison lime

I pretty much just want wiml and ilario dead today

Lime is also poe, tsp too, less interested in both

I will hammer anyone tho given the opportunity to

NANOOK =

Shrug

Ok fine

When you guys are done killing me transcend and, idk, probably tsp, and you're looking around trying to figure out who could possibly be mafia, come back to my iso cause my legacy is gonna be good as hell

Meh im only at 4 locks if I don't count myself

Trans ender alexa and esooa

So need two more

I'll find them later probably

If ilario mafia tsp is a fifth lock

If im wrong on trans mac becomes lock town

For the sake of discussion let's just say that I'm lock clearing everyone who isn't in my active PoE.

So alexa, Esooa, LC, Alison, TSP.

Where are the wolves in that list?

Alison or lime

Maybe tsp, dependent on ilario's flip

Tbf I wouldn't be incredibly shocked if there was a wolf in those three names, particularly because I no longer have a reason to TR Alison as strongly and her attempt at a push on me felt like a stretch.

TSP if illario is town? Do you have any familiarity with him and his meta?

Also seriously please explain why you think blade is town here lol. I'm usually not bad at reading him but I'm not seeing it here tbh.

With tsp? Yes, lots. It rarely helps.

I'm good at reading blade idk what to tell you. He has townie drive, is that something that'll convince you?

Thanks. Most importantly: does TSP ever slank like this as a wolf in his normal wolf games? If no, do you think he'd be capable of taking a step back this game if he had a sufficiently strong partner? I talked about my thoughts on that earlier but I'm interested in hearing what you think with actual experience playing with him lol.

As for blade, not really tbh. Do you have any thoughts on him claiming that I haven't towntold yet but then sort of rolling that back and saying that I hadn't done anything town indicative yet instead? (After I called him out because I knew he had no real town tells on me and was pushing that in bad faith).

Tsp is capable of slanking as either alignment


I do not, I found that exchange entirely meaningless.

Tbf I wouldn't be incredibly shocked if there was a wolf in those three names, particularly because I no longer have a reason to TR Alison as strongly and her attempt at a push on me felt like a stretch.

TSP if illario is town? Do you have any familiarity with him and his meta?

Also seriously please explain why you think blade is town here lol. I'm usually not bad at reading him but I'm not seeing it here tbh.

With tsp? Yes, lots. It rarely helps.

I'm good at reading blade idk what to tell you. He has townie drive, is that something that'll convince you?

Thanks. Most importantly: does TSP ever slank like this as a wolf in his normal wolf games? If no, do you think he'd be capable of taking a step back this game if he had a sufficiently strong partner? I talked about my thoughts on that earlier but I'm interested in hearing what you think with actual experience playing with him lol.

As for blade, not really tbh. Do you have any thoughts on him claiming that I haven't towntold yet but then sort of rolling that back and saying that I hadn't done anything town indicative yet instead? (After I called him out because I knew he had no real town tells on me and was pushing that in bad faith).

Tsp is capable of slanking as either alignment


I do not, I found that exchange entirely meaningless.

TSP can pretty easily be a wolf then tbh. When Mac was pushing TSP as having a meta tell early on was that sarcasm then? I took it at face value lol.

Mac might be able to meta read tsp, not sure

I can't reliably

I pretty much just want wiml and ilario dead today

Lime is also poe, tsp too, less interested in both

I will hammer anyone tho given the opportunity to

Nanook+TSP = [/b][/size]

[alexa]

ugh

[alexa]

i feel like i've been playing this game like absolute fucking shit and a large part of me just wants out

[Lime Coke]

i feel like i've been playing this game like absolute fucking shit and a large part of me just wants out

You're playing fine <3

I think we're getting close to the actual solve. If we're confident in our townreads then we can easily corner mafia.

You're still 100% on Ilario right? I'm leaving it to you because you read him better.

[alexa]

@alexa

You know what? I think I know what's wrong with the case...

I needed to look at it from a different angle.

Can you do me a favor and read the case again if I post it?

Maybe if I replace my analysis with cat pictures that go with what's going on in the quotes you'd vote Nanook?

Spoiler: show

Hard townread Transcend

What are people doing on obvtown transcend, smh hes billboard town

Because I respect a lot of the players in here, and people I respect have respect for some of the other players.

Which suggests it's a strong field.

Meh most players are not that hard to read

what reads do you have rn

You and transcend are billboard town

Ender is probably town

Someone else idr who but im sure its in my iso

Ok so since the thread died and I've got nowhere better to talk about this.

I ate a burger with macaroni cheese because that's apparently a thing in America and it was actually nice.

Please ignore me now.

lol is it? i've never had that

Because I respect a lot of the players in here, and people I respect have respect for some of the other players.

Which suggests it's a strong field.

Meh most players are not that hard to read

what reads do you have rn

You and transcend are billboard town

Ender is probably town

Someone else idr who but im sure its in my iso

why's transcend town?

I'm good at reads

Because I respect a lot of the players in here, and people I respect have respect for some of the other players.

Which suggests it's a strong field.

Meh most players are not that hard to read

what reads do you have rn

You and transcend are billboard town

Ender is probably town

Someone else idr who but im sure its in my iso

Talk me through Ender please.

I'm good at reads

What is "billboard town" and how do I get one?

Billboard town is someone so obviously town its like there's a billboard with their face on it that says "this person is town"

-refuses to explain read on Transcend
-wolfreads ilario

content bad nanook

I don't really do cases

[VOTE: ilario] aubergine

Im hard defending alexa, a decision i surely will not regret

God I can't get over how town I am.

tbh, i believe you here

Two mafia right here bingo bango

Describe why ilario is scum in like 20 words

The reason that ilario is scum in like twenty words is because they randed mafia this game. That's twenty exactly.

I skimmed through the opening of ilario's scum game that you linked wiml and it doesn't seem like a dramatic difference to me? Maybe I'll read it in depth more later but yeah not seeing it atm

Tbf it's a lot like alexa said. Like the best comparison is a player like Esooa who is a really capable wolf but half of her town games are just very different and she's easy to find in them?

alexa in particular is a good enough illario reader that she was so (correctly) confident that a red peek on him was fake that she wanted to chop the (real) cop.

I think the one thing that is a tangible non-meta difference is how much he focuses on pushing agendas. One thing I recall noticing in a lot of illario's wolf games is that there's a lack of real depth to his ISOs and he mostly just pushes opportunistic takes. I talked about it earlier but he's a very A to B style wolf.

If he's still in doubt later then I'll go through his wolf games and try to actively towncase why he's town this game since it's a but difficult to do outside of meta. But I'm like 90% confident he is tbh.

I mean, fmpov pushing me IS a pretty opportunistic take, yeah?

Why ilario specifically and not the other people pushing you?

I'm not SRing him for pushing me, im just pointing out that "he's opportunistic as mafia" isn't a reason to clear him fmpov given his push on me

tbh me wanting to policy nanook is my town tell

This is also sort of unironically true lol.

Good lord

The real read is that Esooa really doesn't like killing plwyers she sees as LHF as a wolf on D1 (as she wants easier miselims to endgame / doesn't bus excessively) so her actually pushing for this is >rand town lol.

She's completely self aware of this though so I'm not putting a huge amount of stock into it outside of a snappy comment.

Her pushing me specifically is most certainly not >rand town. Its >rand esooa and thats it.

For the sake of discussion let's just say that I'm lock clearing everyone who isn't in my active PoE.

So alexa, Esooa, LC, Alison, TSP.

Where are the wolves in that list?

Alison or lime

Maybe tsp, dependent on ilario's flip

Tbf I wouldn't be incredibly shocked if there was a wolf in those three names, particularly because I no longer have a reason to TR Alison as strongly and her attempt at a push on me felt like a stretch.

TSP if illario is town? Do you have any familiarity with him and his meta?

Also seriously please explain why you think blade is town here lol. I'm usually not bad at reading him but I'm not seeing it here tbh.

With tsp? Yes, lots. It rarely helps.

I'm good at reading blade idk what to tell you. He has townie drive, is that something that'll convince you?

Thanks. Most importantly: does TSP ever slank like this as a wolf in his normal wolf games? If no, do you think he'd be capable of taking a step back this game if he had a sufficiently strong partner? I talked about my thoughts on that earlier but I'm interested in hearing what you think with actual experience playing with him lol.

As for blade, not really tbh. Do you have any thoughts on him claiming that I haven't towntold yet but then sort of rolling that back and saying that I hadn't done anything town indicative yet instead? (After I called him out because I knew he had no real town tells on me and was pushing that in bad faith).

Tsp is capable of slanking as either alignment


I do not, I found that exchange entirely meaningless.

Honestly I think both wolves are probably just in Transcend/blade/Nook/Mac.

This is an insane read

i actually agree with it atm

alexa is obviously town.
illario is obviously town.
Esooa and LC are both in their town ranges.
I'm waiting for more responses but I honestly don't think alison would fake a derp clear like that for no reason?
Willing to sheep the TSP meta for now as well.

i mean i don't think alison is town for that reason, she quite literally admitted she'd fake a derp, but i've found her villagery by play thus far

I'm not going to just clear Alison on this one thing forever but I know personally if I were town in Alison's situation and made a genuine slip then I think I would lie about it being NAI tbh (and I have in the past when being cleared for genuine townslips). I find them to be pretty dirty and getting cleared for them feels really demeaning lol. I think it comes from Alison as town the overwhelming majority of the time tbh.

This is not a good read lol

Idk mac are you town

yes I am le town

What are your reads

didn't you vote me because you read my reads post and didn't like it?

No im voting you cause I tr transcend

I mean you could probably talk me into other options, im not confident at all on wiml

Mac, lime, Alison, all currently in my poe and I could be talked into voting

if u r town trying to vote out mafia why r u doing the bare minimum to explain ur read especially when it defies thread consensus

i don't understand ur approach but i don't sr it either

I don't really "make pushes" or "case people," I just say my reads and eventually people listen to them and/or I die

who is another wolf besides ilario

Pick one out of mac wiml Alison lime

I pretty much just want wiml and ilario dead today

Lime is also poe, tsp too, less interested in both

I will hammer anyone tho given the opportunity to

NANOOK =

Shrug

Ok fine

When you guys are done killing me transcend and, idk, probably tsp, and you're looking around trying to figure out who could possibly be mafia, come back to my iso cause my legacy is gonna be good as hell

Meh im only at 4 locks if I don't count myself

Trans ender alexa and esooa

So need two more

I'll find them later probably

If ilario mafia tsp is a fifth lock

If im wrong on trans mac becomes lock town

For the sake of discussion let's just say that I'm lock clearing everyone who isn't in my active PoE.

So alexa, Esooa, LC, Alison, TSP.

Where are the wolves in that list?

Alison or lime

Maybe tsp, dependent on ilario's flip

Tbf I wouldn't be incredibly shocked if there was a wolf in those three names, particularly because I no longer have a reason to TR Alison as strongly and her attempt at a push on me felt like a stretch.

TSP if illario is town? Do you have any familiarity with him and his meta?

Also seriously please explain why you think blade is town here lol. I'm usually not bad at reading him but I'm not seeing it here tbh.

With tsp? Yes, lots. It rarely helps.

I'm good at reading blade idk what to tell you. He has townie drive, is that something that'll convince you?

Thanks. Most importantly: does TSP ever slank like this as a wolf in his normal wolf games? If no, do you think he'd be capable of taking a step back this game if he had a sufficiently strong partner? I talked about my thoughts on that earlier but I'm interested in hearing what you think with actual experience playing with him lol.

As for blade, not really tbh. Do you have any thoughts on him claiming that I haven't towntold yet but then sort of rolling that back and saying that I hadn't done anything town indicative yet instead? (After I called him out because I knew he had no real town tells on me and was pushing that in bad faith).

Tsp is capable of slanking as either alignment


I do not, I found that exchange entirely meaningless.

Tbf I wouldn't be incredibly shocked if there was a wolf in those three names, particularly because I no longer have a reason to TR Alison as strongly and her attempt at a push on me felt like a stretch.

TSP if illario is town? Do you have any familiarity with him and his meta?

Also seriously please explain why you think blade is town here lol. I'm usually not bad at reading him but I'm not seeing it here tbh.

With tsp? Yes, lots. It rarely helps.

I'm good at reading blade idk what to tell you. He has townie drive, is that something that'll convince you?

Thanks. Most importantly: does TSP ever slank like this as a wolf in his normal wolf games? If no, do you think he'd be capable of taking a step back this game if he had a sufficiently strong partner? I talked about my thoughts on that earlier but I'm interested in hearing what you think with actual experience playing with him lol.

As for blade, not really tbh. Do you have any thoughts on him claiming that I haven't towntold yet but then sort of rolling that back and saying that I hadn't done anything town indicative yet instead? (After I called him out because I knew he had no real town tells on me and was pushing that in bad faith).

Tsp is capable of slanking as either alignment


I do not, I found that exchange entirely meaningless.

TSP can pretty easily be a wolf then tbh. When Mac was pushing TSP as having a meta tell early on was that sarcasm then? I took it at face value lol.

Mac might be able to meta read tsp, not sure

I can't reliably

I pretty much just want wiml and ilario dead today

Lime is also poe, tsp too, less interested in both

I will hammer anyone tho given the opportunity to

Nanook+TSP = [/b][/size]

this post makes me think you're town but i don't understand. cuz i pushed for nanook constantly yesterday, why was it ignored then?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Damn that is convincing

[Lime Coke]

@alexa

You know what? I think I know what's wrong with the case...

I needed to look at it from a different angle.

Can you do me a favor and read the case again if I post it?

Maybe if I replace my analysis with cat pictures that go with what's going on in the quotes you'd vote Nanook?

Spoiler: show

Hard townread Transcend

What are people doing on obvtown transcend, smh hes billboard town

Because I respect a lot of the players in here, and people I respect have respect for some of the other players.

Which suggests it's a strong field.

Meh most players are not that hard to read

what reads do you have rn

You and transcend are billboard town

Ender is probably town

Someone else idr who but im sure its in my iso

Ok so since the thread died and I've got nowhere better to talk about this.

I ate a burger with macaroni cheese because that's apparently a thing in America and it was actually nice.

Please ignore me now.

lol is it? i've never had that

Meh most players are not that hard to read

what reads do you have rn

You and transcend are billboard town

Ender is probably town

Someone else idr who but im sure its in my iso

why's transcend town?

I'm good at reads

Meh most players are not that hard to read

what reads do you have rn

You and transcend are billboard town

Ender is probably town

Someone else idr who but im sure its in my iso

Talk me through Ender please.

I'm good at reads

What is "billboard town" and how do I get one?

Billboard town is someone so obviously town its like there's a billboard with their face on it that says "this person is town"

-refuses to explain read on Transcend
-wolfreads ilario

content bad nanook

I don't really do cases

[VOTE: ilario] aubergine

Im hard defending alexa, a decision i surely will not regret

God I can't get over how town I am.

tbh, i believe you here

Two mafia right here bingo bango

Describe why ilario is scum in like 20 words

The reason that ilario is scum in like twenty words is because they randed mafia this game. That's twenty exactly.

I skimmed through the opening of ilario's scum game that you linked wiml and it doesn't seem like a dramatic difference to me? Maybe I'll read it in depth more later but yeah not seeing it atm

Tbf it's a lot like alexa said. Like the best comparison is a player like Esooa who is a really capable wolf but half of her town games are just very different and she's easy to find in them?

alexa in particular is a good enough illario reader that she was so (correctly) confident that a red peek on him was fake that she wanted to chop the (real) cop.

I think the one thing that is a tangible non-meta difference is how much he focuses on pushing agendas. One thing I recall noticing in a lot of illario's wolf games is that there's a lack of real depth to his ISOs and he mostly just pushes opportunistic takes. I talked about it earlier but he's a very A to B style wolf.

If he's still in doubt later then I'll go through his wolf games and try to actively towncase why he's town this game since it's a but difficult to do outside of meta. But I'm like 90% confident he is tbh.

I mean, fmpov pushing me IS a pretty opportunistic take, yeah?

Why ilario specifically and not the other people pushing you?

I'm not SRing him for pushing me, im just pointing out that "he's opportunistic as mafia" isn't a reason to clear him fmpov given his push on me

tbh me wanting to policy nanook is my town tell

This is also sort of unironically true lol.

Good lord

The real read is that Esooa really doesn't like killing plwyers she sees as LHF as a wolf on D1 (as she wants easier miselims to endgame / doesn't bus excessively) so her actually pushing for this is >rand town lol.

She's completely self aware of this though so I'm not putting a huge amount of stock into it outside of a snappy comment.

Her pushing me specifically is most certainly not >rand town. Its >rand esooa and thats it.

Alison or lime

Maybe tsp, dependent on ilario's flip

Tbf I wouldn't be incredibly shocked if there was a wolf in those three names, particularly because I no longer have a reason to TR Alison as strongly and her attempt at a push on me felt like a stretch.

TSP if illario is town? Do you have any familiarity with him and his meta?

Also seriously please explain why you think blade is town here lol. I'm usually not bad at reading him but I'm not seeing it here tbh.

With tsp? Yes, lots. It rarely helps.

I'm good at reading blade idk what to tell you. He has townie drive, is that something that'll convince you?

Thanks. Most importantly: does TSP ever slank like this as a wolf in his normal wolf games? If no, do you think he'd be capable of taking a step back this game if he had a sufficiently strong partner? I talked about my thoughts on that earlier but I'm interested in hearing what you think with actual experience playing with him lol.

As for blade, not really tbh. Do you have any thoughts on him claiming that I haven't towntold yet but then sort of rolling that back and saying that I hadn't done anything town indicative yet instead? (After I called him out because I knew he had no real town tells on me and was pushing that in bad faith).

Tsp is capable of slanking as either alignment


I do not, I found that exchange entirely meaningless.

Honestly I think both wolves are probably just in Transcend/blade/Nook/Mac.

This is an insane read

i actually agree with it atm

alexa is obviously town.
illario is obviously town.
Esooa and LC are both in their town ranges.
I'm waiting for more responses but I honestly don't think alison would fake a derp clear like that for no reason?
Willing to sheep the TSP meta for now as well.

i mean i don't think alison is town for that reason, she quite literally admitted she'd fake a derp, but i've found her villagery by play thus far

I'm not going to just clear Alison on this one thing forever but I know personally if I were town in Alison's situation and made a genuine slip then I think I would lie about it being NAI tbh (and I have in the past when being cleared for genuine townslips). I find them to be pretty dirty and getting cleared for them feels really demeaning lol. I think it comes from Alison as town the overwhelming majority of the time tbh.

This is not a good read lol

Idk mac are you town

yes I am le town

What are your reads

didn't you vote me because you read my reads post and didn't like it?

No im voting you cause I tr transcend

I mean you could probably talk me into other options, im not confident at all on wiml

Mac, lime, Alison, all currently in my poe and I could be talked into voting

if u r town trying to vote out mafia why r u doing the bare minimum to explain ur read especially when it defies thread consensus

i don't understand ur approach but i don't sr it either

I don't really "make pushes" or "case people," I just say my reads and eventually people listen to them and/or I die

who is another wolf besides ilario

Pick one out of mac wiml Alison lime

I pretty much just want wiml and ilario dead today

Lime is also poe, tsp too, less interested in both

I will hammer anyone tho given the opportunity to

NANOOK =

Shrug

Ok fine

When you guys are done killing me transcend and, idk, probably tsp, and you're looking around trying to figure out who could possibly be mafia, come back to my iso cause my legacy is gonna be good as hell

Meh im only at 4 locks if I don't count myself

Trans ender alexa and esooa

So need two more

I'll find them later probably

If ilario mafia tsp is a fifth lock

If im wrong on trans mac becomes lock town

Alison or lime

Maybe tsp, dependent on ilario's flip

Tbf I wouldn't be incredibly shocked if there was a wolf in those three names, particularly because I no longer have a reason to TR Alison as strongly and her attempt at a push on me felt like a stretch.

TSP if illario is town? Do you have any familiarity with him and his meta?

Also seriously please explain why you think blade is town here lol. I'm usually not bad at reading him but I'm not seeing it here tbh.

With tsp? Yes, lots. It rarely helps.

I'm good at reading blade idk what to tell you. He has townie drive, is that something that'll convince you?

Thanks. Most importantly: does TSP ever slank like this as a wolf in his normal wolf games? If no, do you think he'd be capable of taking a step back this game if he had a sufficiently strong partner? I talked about my thoughts on that earlier but I'm interested in hearing what you think with actual experience playing with him lol.

As for blade, not really tbh. Do you have any thoughts on him claiming that I haven't towntold yet but then sort of rolling that back and saying that I hadn't done anything town indicative yet instead? (After I called him out because I knew he had no real town tells on me and was pushing that in bad faith).

Tsp is capable of slanking as either alignment


I do not, I found that exchange entirely meaningless.

With tsp? Yes, lots. It rarely helps.

I'm good at reading blade idk what to tell you. He has townie drive, is that something that'll convince you?

Thanks. Most importantly: does TSP ever slank like this as a wolf in his normal wolf games? If no, do you think he'd be capable of taking a step back this game if he had a sufficiently strong partner? I talked about my thoughts on that earlier but I'm interested in hearing what you think with actual experience playing with him lol.

As for blade, not really tbh. Do you have any thoughts on him claiming that I haven't towntold yet but then sort of rolling that back and saying that I hadn't done anything town indicative yet instead? (After I called him out because I knew he had no real town tells on me and was pushing that in bad faith).

Tsp is capable of slanking as either alignment


I do not, I found that exchange entirely meaningless.

TSP can pretty easily be a wolf then tbh. When Mac was pushing TSP as having a meta tell early on was that sarcasm then? I took it at face value lol.

Mac might be able to meta read tsp, not sure

I can't reliably

I pretty much just want wiml and ilario dead today

Lime is also poe, tsp too, less interested in both

I will hammer anyone tho given the opportunity to

Nanook+TSP = [/b][/size]

this post makes me think you're town but i don't understand. cuz i pushed for nanook constantly yesterday, why was it ignored then?

Because the sun was in my eyes.

[alexa]

i feel like i've been playing this game like absolute fucking shit and a large part of me just wants out

You're playing fine <3

I think we're getting close to the actual solve. If we're confident in our townreads then we can easily corner mafia.

You're still 100% on Ilario right? I'm leaving it to you because you read him better.

uhhh i don't know. i think i am. i don't want to vote him right now

this thought process is villagery from you i think @.@

[Lime Coke]

i feel like i've been playing this game like absolute fucking shit and a large part of me just wants out

You're playing fine <3

I think we're getting close to the actual solve. If we're confident in our townreads then we can easily corner mafia.

You're still 100% on Ilario right? I'm leaving it to you because you read him better.

uhhh i don't know. i think i am. i don't want to vote him right now

this thought process is villagery from you i think @.@

If you're more confident on Wiml being maf then I'll be fine with voting him out today, then. I'll trust your instincts on this one.

[Lime Coke]

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

SEE? I DID THE VISUAL UNVOTE!!!!

I'm not gonna put him at L-1.

[alexa]

i feel like i've been playing this game like absolute fucking shit and a large part of me just wants out

You're playing fine <3

I think we're getting close to the actual solve. If we're confident in our townreads then we can easily corner mafia.

You're still 100% on Ilario right? I'm leaving it to you because you read him better.

uhhh i don't know. i think i am. i don't want to vote him right now

this thought process is villagery from you i think @.@

If you're more confident on Wiml being maf then I'll be fine with voting him out today, then. I'll trust your instincts on this one.

ah
now i realize

[Lime Coke]

i feel like i've been playing this game like absolute fucking shit and a large part of me just wants out

You're playing fine <3

I think we're getting close to the actual solve. If we're confident in our townreads then we can easily corner mafia.

You're still 100% on Ilario right? I'm leaving it to you because you read him better.

uhhh i don't know. i think i am. i don't want to vote him right now

this thought process is villagery from you i think @.@

If you're more confident on Wiml being maf then I'll be fine with voting him out today, then. I'll trust your instincts on this one.

ah
now i realize

Hm?

[Lime Coke]

Plus I think it's only right that since we got mine yesterday, today we get yours.

[EnderWiggin]

[ilario]

Honestly we deserve to lose this.

If you think there's any world where I leave both of alexa and illario alive in a F7 no matter how right or wrong their reads are then you're insane lol.

Can’t u just kill us tonight though? It’s not like essoas slot was scummy at all either tbh

[ilario]

Also the fact that alexa and ilario are both still alive atp pretty strongly suggests one of them is mafia

nah son

[ilario]

Also the fact that alexa and ilario are both still alive atp pretty strongly suggests one of them is mafia

If that's the case I'd lean it towards Ilario being mafia but we'll cross that bridge if we get to it.

bold of u to assume u make it that far

[ilario]

nanook is unironically my second top tr after alexa

[ilario]

for gamestate reasons