The Witcher Mafia [Game Over]

[BoKnows]

idek why im leading the vote count

[BoKnows]

[Ruri]

[VOTE: ] aubergineI see the pings,didnt read anything. One of them was mech thingy that I gave a quick read.

I wouldn't vote for a cop claim so, wilgy is a no no atm for me.

Among MR and BK I'd rather flip BK, because their slot has been scummy from the beginning and I'm not feeling very good about MR wagon and I haven't even read him, neither can I do that this phase.


[VOTE: BK] aubergine

Interesting vote.

[Scotty]

[VOTE: ] aubergineI see the pings,didnt read anything. One of them was mech thingy that I gave a quick read.

I wouldn't vote for a cop claim so, wilgy is a no no atm for me.

Among MR and BK I'd rather flip BK, because their slot has been scummy from the beginning and I'm not feeling very good about MR wagon and I haven't even read him, neither can I do that this phase.


[VOTE: BK] aubergine

Interesting vote.

Indeed..

[Scotty]

You’re claiming pregnant woman. Got it

[Scotty]

We have an absurd amount of town role claims for D3.

MaYbE EvRy1 iS tOwN

[Scotty]

GG no re

Good game no reply?

Is that an admission?

[falcon45ca]

We have an absurd amount of town role claims for D3.

MaYbE EvRy1 iS tOwN

[Ruri]

You’re claiming pregnant woman. Got it

I actually didn't figure that. Isn't Bo a guy though? (I had to check to make sure.)

[Ruri]

Okay, that was an obvious lie. Let's uhhh vote him off.

[Scotty]

You’re claiming pregnant woman. Got it

I actually didn't figure that. Isn't Bo a guy though? (I had to check to make sure.)

Link to the role:
Pregnant Woman

[Ruri]

You’re claiming pregnant woman. Got it

I actually didn't figure that. Isn't Bo a guy though? (I had to check to make sure.)

Link to the role:
Pregnant Woman

LOL

[Alison]

i will now take questions

Tell me please how do you read Rondo and why

closer to neutral than anything but i've been shifting around. i had him as slightly town before i left the thread yesterday and went to sleep. part of me feels that if the town's best guess is rondo we're probably not winning this game. whether that should have any effect on how i read him idk.

to be honest i feel like my heart thinks he's town and that i'm being somewhat peer-pressured into thinking he's wolfier than he actually is to me.

i think what i called abrasiveness in him is usually a wolf trait but i don't think it's wolfy here. not sure i can really elaborate on that, but just that he's been very consistently posting with attitude in every post i've read makes me like him more somehow. like it doesn't feel like an act.

as far as solvey stuff from rondo, i don't really have anything in mind, but i've melded with some posts and insights iirc and he seems to be actually contributing better than others?

like i'm not saying he can't be wolf but i don't understand fully why he's your first choice

A little townie.

[Alison]

All due respect to koba, who generally has decent reads, I dont think this is the game to sheep them posthumously

What makes you think Koba's reads are off today? Especially because POE'd players generally have better reads because they can cop check themselves?

[Alison]

Something I will also say, and i would if someone else chimed in here, is that this thread state feels very foreign to me.

I don't know if i've ever seen anyone talk about this before, but I feel like certain scum player combinations lead to certain thread states. Like if everything makes sense, but we haven't chopped a wolf, Alison is scum. If town is focused on a very secure poe, but hasn't hit anyone yet, Mac is scum.

This thread is chaos. Who is scum in successful chaos?

It is?

We have a pretty solid consensus POE and consensus towncore.

People are freaking out over nothing. There are slots that nobody objects to getting rid of. BoSyn and MR. So get rid of 'em.

[Alison]

when did made become obvtown?

We townread his tree stump claim, mans thought he was unkillable and immortal

He had good receipts too.

[Alison]

i'm only still awake because i want to realtime with MR

I WISH FOR A KILL

you wanna lose to the gambit demon again?

[Alison]

nobody wish for anything, this djinn shit is obviously a trap.

[Alison]

There is even a chance that tutuu is the Djinn herself pretending to be a recipient and goading people into wishing for things.

[Alison]

We have an absurd amount of town role claims for D3.

MaYbE EvRy1 iS tOwN

That happened once btw.

Undeclared bastard game. Kinda annoying.

[Alison]

Pressure has dissipated off MR and that makes me uncomfortable. MR was widely suspected, and has done nothing to clear themselves since. I would like anyone who dislikes an MR vote or feels bad about their wagon to articulate why.

Two of MR/BK/tutuu being wagons here seems good.

[Alison]

Ruri is Phraze right?

[Alison]

If Ruri is Phraze they get a free ride to the upper POE (although not quite out of it) for not outing in her first few posts.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

i will now take questions

Tell me please how do you read Rondo and why

closer to neutral than anything but i've been shifting around. i had him as slightly town before i left the thread yesterday and went to sleep. part of me feels that if the town's best guess is rondo we're probably not winning this game. whether that should have any effect on how i read him idk.

to be honest i feel like my heart thinks he's town and that i'm being somewhat peer-pressured into thinking he's wolfier than he actually is to me.

i think what i called abrasiveness in him is usually a wolf trait but i don't think it's wolfy here. not sure i can really elaborate on that, but just that he's been very consistently posting with attitude in every post i've read makes me like him more somehow. like it doesn't feel like an act.

as far as solvey stuff from rondo, i don't really have anything in mind, but i've melded with some posts and insights iirc and he seems to be actually contributing better than others?

like i'm not saying he can't be wolf but i don't understand fully why he's your first choice

I think he is the wolfiest player.
I get your pov too, the wolfiest may not be a wolf, but how can we know?
Because i was wrong on Koba i don't want to push a read i have that much and i need to check it with people who show another approach than mine.
Until now Nanook said Rondo is towny and you said the above.
Alison said we wait before we lynch Wilgy's claim
Idk anymore. I will wait as well

this is why my vote is still on rondo tbh. he reads as the scummiest player in the game. Rondo doesn't have a scummy town meta does he? if he does that changes things a bit, but if he doesn't, in a role madness situation this one, I feel like mafia fundamentals are the way to go

Theres no such thing as a "scummy town meta," that just means you're bad at reading them tbh

But yes he does get misread a fair bit sometimes, particularly by people who have a narrower view of what acceptable town play looks like/snobs

How much time should one to play with someone to become good at reading them?
Because if you claim you are good at reading Rondo i wish to know how many games you played and what alignaments for both of you

Depends on if you've done research on them or not

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

All due respect to koba, who generally has decent reads, I dont think this is the game to sheep them posthumously

What makes you think Koba's reads are off today? Especially because POE'd players generally have better reads because they can cop check themselves?

I generally don't put much stock in the reads of people playing tilted, especially as tilted as they seemed to be.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Tell me please how do you read Rondo and why

closer to neutral than anything but i've been shifting around. i had him as slightly town before i left the thread yesterday and went to sleep. part of me feels that if the town's best guess is rondo we're probably not winning this game. whether that should have any effect on how i read him idk.

to be honest i feel like my heart thinks he's town and that i'm being somewhat peer-pressured into thinking he's wolfier than he actually is to me.

i think what i called abrasiveness in him is usually a wolf trait but i don't think it's wolfy here. not sure i can really elaborate on that, but just that he's been very consistently posting with attitude in every post i've read makes me like him more somehow. like it doesn't feel like an act.

as far as solvey stuff from rondo, i don't really have anything in mind, but i've melded with some posts and insights iirc and he seems to be actually contributing better than others?

like i'm not saying he can't be wolf but i don't understand fully why he's your first choice

I think he is the wolfiest player.
I get your pov too, the wolfiest may not be a wolf, but how can we know?
Because i was wrong on Koba i don't want to push a read i have that much and i need to check it with people who show another approach than mine.
Until now Nanook said Rondo is towny and you said the above.
Alison said we wait before we lynch Wilgy's claim
Idk anymore. I will wait as well

this is why my vote is still on rondo tbh. he reads as the scummiest player in the game. Rondo doesn't have a scummy town meta does he? if he does that changes things a bit, but if he doesn't, in a role madness situation this one, I feel like mafia fundamentals are the way to go

Theres no such thing as a "scummy town meta," that just means you're bad at reading them tbh

But yes he does get misread a fair bit sometimes, particularly by people who have a narrower view of what acceptable town play looks like/snobs

How much time should one to play with someone to become good at reading them?
Because if you claim you are good at reading Rondo i wish to know how many games you played and what alignaments for both of you

Depends on if you've done research on them or not

Also since when do you gatekeep whether I have a good read on someone or not ???

[tutuu]

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

@Michelle
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@sig
@Alison
@falcon45ca
@Urist
@RondoDimBuckle
@EnderWiggin
@Master Radishes
@Epignosis
@Made
@BoKnows
@112
@Poison
@Ruri
@DrWilgy
@Scotty
@TonyStarkPrime

iight imma drop a banger on yall

last night someone visited me. today i have to make a wish. i gotta choose between kill, protect, and roleblock. i am forced to pick one by the end of the day otherwise it will be rng'd. it is vague, it aint clear if i will be the one receiving this as a one-shot ability, or someone else, or it will happen to me, or anything. i just have to make a wish that's all im told

the flavor of this role is the DJINN and is an antagonist in the witcher book, he fights vs the main character. he isn't a good friendly polite djinn like from aladdin.

in the witcher, while the MC's companion is reciting his wish to the djinn, the djinn attacks him. they end up fighting with the MC. the whole point of the story is "be careful what you wish for" i think

lore snippet from wikipedia:

Spoiler: show

Dandelion and Geralt are fishing, when the former hauls up an ancient, sealed amphora. Ignoring Geralt's warnings, Dandelion opens the vase, releasing what he believes is a genie. He begins to recite three wishes, but the "genie" attacks him instead. Geralt banishes the creature with an exorcism spell he learned from a local temple, and rushes Dandelion to the nearest city, Rinde, for medical aid. The guards say there is a strict rule against admitting visitors after nightfall, and Geralt will have to spend the night in the guardhouse, despite Dandelion's condition. However, three other detainees - elves Chireadan and his cousin, Errdil, and the half-elf knight Vratimir - inform him that the city authorities have imposed heavy duties for spellcasting, and the mages are boycotting Rinde in return. As a result, the one spellcaster in the city - the sorceress Yennefer of Vengerberg - is well-paid for her services, and is given sanctuary by the Novigradian merchant-ambassador, Beau Berrant.

When dawn breaks, Geralt enters the city to find the sorceress. Gaining entry into Berrant's home, he finds Berrant and most of his staff inebriated, and so enters Yennefer's bedchamber alone. She agrees to help Dandelion, but aside, Chireadan tells Geralt in no uncertain terms that Yennefer, while beautiful, is not to be trusted. When Yennefer summons Geralt upstairs, Dandelion is healed and sleeping peacefully, and she demands payment. Before Geralt can react, he passes out and wakes up in a cell with Chireadan.

The elf tells Geralt that Yennefer enchanted him into rampaging through the town, punishing anyone who had ever insulted Yennefer. When Geralt and Chireadan are brought before the town's mayor and head priest, the proceeding is interrupted by Dandelion, appearing through a magic portal and proclaiming Geralt's innocence. They are further interrupted by chaos outside: Yennefer has lured the genie to the town, and is trying to capture it and harness its powers. The genie is much stronger than expected, and she is losing her hold of it, threatening to destroy the town. Geralt tries to pull Yennefer to safety, but she refuses to stop her attempt to bind the genie. After a brief fight, Geralt realizes that the genie is bound to him, the person who last held the seal to its urn. It granted his first wish by obeying the "exorcism" (which literally translated as an instruction to "fuck off"), granted his second by killing one of the guards beating him in prison, and is now awaiting his third and last wish. Once he does this, the genie tears free of Yennefer's spell and disappears, leaving a destroyed inn behind.

Under the rubble of the inn, Yennefer finds herself in Geralt's arms, close and intimate, and the two begin to make love, the beginning of a stormy relationship.

i think there's 5% chance the role is town, 20% chance its mafia, 75% chance its 3p

breakdown:

town:

if it's town, they decided to give me a potential vig after day 2, on night 2. right after koba was chopped. questionable move. there ARE people who still townread me but everyone claimed their action

if the role is town, it can ONLY be boknows. noone else. i been paying attention to claims and people claiming they havent visited me. bo could be the town djinn and gave me this power n2, otherwise the role isnt town

michelle is neighborizer, poison is smth else, sig suspected me right after d3 started, radish and 112 and rondo say they havent visited me, nook said nothing and i threatened to reveal this shit

if the role is town, then i suspect i'll receive my choice as a 1-shot ability tonight

mafia:
since the djinn is an antagonist in the story i can see it as a mafia role that backfires

i think i was offered a wish specifically coz i made this post d2:

tutuu
MacDougall
sig
RondoDimBuckle
Epignosis
Syn
tedxtr
Urist
TonyStarkPrime

Ruri
Michelle
Scotty
DrWilgy
112

Master Radishes
falcon45ca

Poison
EnderWiggin
Made
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
DkKoba

Oh look at that we don't like pressure now do we?

ive been scumreading u before u popped up lmaooooo ur ass is GRASS girl

i need like 5 day vigs. right now.

wasnt there a wish granting dragon in the witcher?

I WISH FOR A DAY VIG

i think that me wishing for somethhing was the trigger/condition for that role. if its mafia, i think it will backfire and do my choice on poison (coz i wished for smth in relation to her). im afraid if i pick "kill" it will kill her

if the role is mafia it could be anyone who doesnt have a confirmable town claim

3p:

i think that lore-wise 3p makes more sense (the djinn just wants to be left alone and passively fulfills wishes and doesnt want to be fucked with)

i can see it having this ability from a game design pov: "fulfill 3 wishes, then u win the game, and game continues"

i could also imagine the next person to get offered a wish be offered 1 less possibility (removing whatever i will pick today)

i can see these people as the 3p djinn (or mafia mechanically):

rondo, sig, falcon, 112, ruri

im letting yall know to be careful

i am thinking of picking protect in order to test if i will be given the choice to protect whoever i want, and tomorrow i can report the result

now, if yall got a hard-on for chopping me i can also pick kill and see if i get a vig shot and potentially self-resolve. thats why earlier i was saying that im finna self-resolve soon. mafia might roleblock me but eh, at least ill take off a roleblock off of the towny roles

that said i think its a bit risky to pick kill given that only boknows can be this town role, but we can discuss it

ideally u guys dont chop me and i pick protect to test this shit

ALSO i think that towny people who arent alison and scotty should make a wish while quoting their scumreads. just to see if we can trigger the 3p role to give all goodies

like, quote a post of ur scumread and say I WISH FOR (kill or protect or roleblock)

How do you *know* the flavor is a djinn? Is this just inference and research based on the fact that you got a wish?

How do we know you aren’t the djinn and just baiting people to make wishes, like our friend Rondo just did?

i know the flavor is djinn coz i read the book

u cant know that im not the djinn and baiting people. but im town and just told the truth

[tutuu]

i'm only still awake because i want to realtime with MR

I WISH FOR A KILL

Do you have to shout your wishes, or do you submit them via pm?

i dont know how i got my first wish. im testing out if i will get another one like last night

[tutuu]

nobody wish for anything, this djinn shit is obviously a trap.

ill be the test bunny and can report the results of my wish (that im forced to choose) if yall let me live today

[falcon45ca]

i'm only still awake because i want to realtime with MR

I WISH FOR A KILL

Do you have to shout your wishes, or do you submit them via pm?

i dont know how i got my first wish. im testing out if i will get another one like last night

Maybe you get wishes when you get votes? Imma test it out for you


[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

[TonyStarkPrime]

I’m voting with the inno child because I think that’s smart

[Master Radishes]

@Master Radishes if there ever a world where 112 is just scum here?

Of course.

The thing about 112 is that when she's on her game she is a unique player archetype I struggle to definitively read, despite having played with her for so many years. I could definitely read her pre-2019 or so, but since her Champs experience I've often struggled - unless she's phoning it in, of course, which happened occasionally in CDC games.

My default setting is to scumread her. Partially this is me just being very reluctant to let myself be fooled by her, partially it's the erratic behaviour she can exhibit as town/mimic as scum. I need to look for reasons to call her town, not the other way around. So far this game we've not interacted in the thread at the same time much; both of us have had long spurts of not being present. So it's been difficult to get any sort of accurate read and I've largely avoided doing so and focused instead on what's in front of me when I'm here.

I will go out on a limb and again GTH call her town. On a big picture level, her limpness in the game would point to her being scum who just doesn't have the time/inclination to put in work. As town she should find it easier to throw out some snap reads without a care in the world. But that's too easily explained away by 'irl stuff' (which I might be overly sympathetic to right now tbh) and when reading her individual posts I can't see anything in particular I want to point out and call scummy. I don't sense what I think is her usual scum agenda of making herself come across as erratic and pure. If she's on a team with others I don't see what she's doing to help them.

It's still very possible she's scum and just sort of coasting by because she's never faced any particularly hot heat, but I think she is probably town who doesn't have the time or energy to put in.

Spoiler: show

Or 3P actually. I, uh, have been harbouring that one for awhile now. If this game reminds me of any I've played with her, it's GoC, where she was 3P.

[Master Radishes]

Pressure has dissipated off MR and that makes me uncomfortable. MR was widely suspected, and has done nothing to clear themselves since. I would like anyone who dislikes an MR vote or feels bad about their wagon to articulate why.

Two of MR/BK/tutuu being wagons here seems good.

I have mech info that MR is town.

[Urist]

there are 19 people alive and only 11 are voting on the main wagons. v sad.


112
0
No votes


Voters: None

Alison
0
No votes


Voters: None

BoKnows
6
21%


Voters: Scotty, Ruri, Poison, Michelle, DrWilgy, EnderWiggin

DrWilgy
2
7%


Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, sig

EnderWiggin
0
No votes


Voters: None

Epignosis
1
4%


Voters: Urist

falcon45ca
0
No votes


Voters: None

Made
0
No votes


Voters: None

MasterRadishes
5
18%


Voters: 112, Alison, TonyStarkPrime, tutuu, Epignosis

Michelle
0
No votes


Voters: None

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
0
No votes


Voters: None

Poison
0
No votes


Voters: None

RondoDimBuckle
1
4%


Voters: BoKnows

Ruri
0
No votes


Voters: None

Scotty
0
No votes


Voters: None

sig
0
No votes


Voters: None

TonyStarkPrime
0
No votes


Voters: None

tutuu
3
11%


Voters: Made, RondoDimBuckle, falcon45ca

Urist
0
No votes


Voters: None

[Master Radishes]

On a different note, I know he's already been put aside for mech reasons and all that, but Made's reading of my iso for two different things (the 112 stuff + the post quoted below about my read on the Syn slot) feels way too fair for him to be scum. He has clearly actually parsed my words to figure out my thought process behind my takes. Scum, I find, tend to take a simple or general approach when isoing to build on a push on a mischop.*

So yeah, Made is feeling a lot townier now.

To say my thoughts on MR's d1 another way, MR's argument d1 into d2 and d3 is sold reason to not vote syn by wagonomics. He provides two ways the day could of went down one where the town who got on syns wagon stayed there because they weren't in thread at EOD. If syn is scum, then the wagon hopping was bold.

Gonna read alison's thoughts on MR and see where that puts me

Spoiler: show

*I find this to be the case with Ender's wallcase on me tbh. He put in the work to quote stuff, yeah, but his conclusions were very basic and nitpicky, and in fact at times purely commentary. But I will circle back to that later if I have time.

[Made]

Spoiler: show

there are 19 people alive and only 11 are voting on the main wagons. v sad.


112
0
No votes


Voters: None

Alison
0
No votes


Voters: None

BoKnows
6
21%


Voters: Scotty, Ruri, Poison, Michelle, DrWilgy, EnderWiggin

DrWilgy
2
7%


Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, sig

EnderWiggin
0
No votes


Voters: None

Epignosis
1
4%


Voters: Urist

falcon45ca
0
No votes


Voters: None

Made
0
No votes


Voters: None

MasterRadishes
5
18%


Voters: 112, Alison, TonyStarkPrime, tutuu, Epignosis

Michelle
0
No votes


Voters: None

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
0
No votes


Voters: None

Poison
0
No votes


Voters: None

RondoDimBuckle
1
4%


Voters: BoKnows

Ruri
0
No votes


Voters: None

Scotty
0
No votes


Voters: None

sig
0
No votes


Voters: None

TonyStarkPrime
0
No votes


Voters: None

tutuu
3
11%


Voters: Made, RondoDimBuckle, falcon45ca

Urist
0
No votes


Voters: None

tutuu is main wagon :P

[Urist]

i still don't understand why made's retroactive claim makes him more likely to be town and at this point i'm too afraid to ask

[Urist]

if the wagons are within one vote at deadline i will force a tie, fair warning

[Master Radishes]

Btw @Made regarding my wagonomics-based read on Syn,

I'm walking it back now tbh. Maybe. I felt my interpretation was a valid one, but truthfully there's no reason I can't be wrong. To reiterate I felt the Syn wagon was too stale, the momentum throughout D1 too steadfast, and it felt more like a town mischop that scum had navigated their way on to; and meanwhile the chaotic vote swing at the end was largely town-led with maybe one scum? joining in with the crowd. It was only active EoDers that changed votes; the Syn voters had all dropped their votes and left before EoD and it felt too comfortable for me.

But we've whiffed entirely up till now and I came into this phase thinking I probably had something wrong in my worldview. The simplest thing would be that BoSyn was scum after all and the scum I sense must be on that wagon were just bussers who figured he was doomed.

Bo himself....actually, maybe I'll iso before updating my view on him. I gave a townlean I know, but that was early on and based on tone, which is pretty weak to hold on to for too long as a reason.

[Alison]

i still don't understand why made's retroactive claim makes him more likely to be town and at this point i'm too afraid to ask

The bottom line is that tree stump doesn't sound likely to be a scum role (what use would a scum who can talk after death be? Nobody's going to listen to them) and I think Made is genuinely a tree stump for two reasons:

1) He mixed up tree stump and immortality, I think if he was given tree stump as a fakeclaim he'd claim it correctly the first time rather than claiming "I'm immortal".

2) He has some pretty extensive softing of his role, including going to the extent of finding a Marvel character that had a similar ability to post as a reaction gif. This was done all the way from Day 1. I don't think that he'd go to such extent to establish a fake softclaim as scum.

[Scotty]

Pressure has dissipated off MR and that makes me uncomfortable. MR was widely suspected, and has done nothing to clear themselves since. I would like anyone who dislikes an MR vote or feels bad about their wagon to articulate why.

Two of MR/BK/tutuu being wagons here seems good.

Agreed with the wagon status. Not a lot to pin on MR and it has never been a runaway wagon. I feel fine right now with either MR or Bo unless new info emerges

[Master Radishes]

Skimmed through Bo’s iso.

A lot of it is simply NAI with him. He doesn’t really roll up his sleeves and analyse much as town; I think he prefers to chat live with people and get a sense of them. And I give him a pass on that sort of thing anyway since he subbed in, possibly knowing he would just be a warm body and without any intention of playing hard, and has way too much to catch up on anyway.

The one thing that pings me about his iso is that it’s full of questions. Specifically, he asked me, Rondo, and Falcon all about what we thought, but seemingly did nothing with whatever our responses were (not bothering to check tbh). Tied to that, the only people he really talks to/about/around are me and Falcon, his CDC mates. (Not 112 though, whatever that may mean w.r.t. his associations with her, if anything.) And Rondo, actually. He is popping in, lobbing softball questions or comments at the people he’s comfortable talking to, plus one person extra, and then doing nothing else.

I think regardless of his alignment, Bo’s heart is not in this game. So there’s a high chance of simply misinterpreting his words and actions. But if anything stands out to me it’s his shying away from interacting with anyone outside a small circle including two of his familiar peers. That does suggest to me an attempt to stay out of the spotlight of others’ gazes beyond those he knows or maybe feels unthreatened by (sorry Rondo).

[Master Radishes]

@112 @falcon45ca @BoKnows

Does Koba seem like Aladeen to you?

I haven't noticed

@BoKnows did you even know what I meant by this, by the way?

[Alison]

Skimmed through Bo’s iso.

A lot of it is simply NAI with him. He doesn’t really roll up his sleeves and analyse much as town; I think he prefers to chat live with people and get a sense of them. And I give him a pass on that sort of thing anyway since he subbed in, possibly knowing he would just be a warm body and without any intention of playing hard, and has way too much to catch up on anyway.

The one thing that pings me about his iso is that it’s full of questions. Specifically, he asked me, Rondo, and Falcon all about what we thought, but seemingly did nothing with whatever our responses were (not bothering to check tbh). Tied to that, the only people he really talks to/about/around are me and Falcon, his CDC mates. (Not 112 though, whatever that may mean w.r.t. his associations with her, if anything.) And Rondo, actually. He is popping in, lobbing softball questions or comments at the people he’s comfortable talking to, plus one person extra, and then doing nothing else.

I think regardless of his alignment, Bo’s heart is not in this game. So there’s a high chance of simply misinterpreting his words and actions. But if anything stands out to me it’s his shying away from interacting with anyone outside a small circle including two of his familiar peers. That does suggest to me an attempt to stay out of the spotlight of others’ gazes beyond those he knows or maybe feels unthreatened by (sorry Rondo).

This is pretty hedgy for a site meta that boasts polarized meta reads on each other, and smacks of someone who is gearing up to push on Bo while retaining the ability to claim you townread him or at least didn't bury him after he flips town.

[Master Radishes]

Time's up for now.

I'm intending to circle back to Ender's case on me, because I feel it's...not a great one. I know there's now mech stuff on Ender, but I'm not sold on him outside of that and I'm not sure how much we can let mech dictate alignment reads anymore.

I'll also work on a broader list of my views on other players, seeing as I am likely chop tonight.

Probably won't be here for EoD btw, unless my wife works late or something.

[Master Radishes]

Skimmed through Bo’s iso.

A lot of it is simply NAI with him. He doesn’t really roll up his sleeves and analyse much as town; I think he prefers to chat live with people and get a sense of them. And I give him a pass on that sort of thing anyway since he subbed in, possibly knowing he would just be a warm body and without any intention of playing hard, and has way too much to catch up on anyway.

The one thing that pings me about his iso is that it’s full of questions. Specifically, he asked me, Rondo, and Falcon all about what we thought, but seemingly did nothing with whatever our responses were (not bothering to check tbh). Tied to that, the only people he really talks to/about/around are me and Falcon, his CDC mates. (Not 112 though, whatever that may mean w.r.t. his associations with her, if anything.) And Rondo, actually. He is popping in, lobbing softball questions or comments at the people he’s comfortable talking to, plus one person extra, and then doing nothing else.

I think regardless of his alignment, Bo’s heart is not in this game. So there’s a high chance of simply misinterpreting his words and actions. But if anything stands out to me it’s his shying away from interacting with anyone outside a small circle including two of his familiar peers. That does suggest to me an attempt to stay out of the spotlight of others’ gazes beyond those he knows or maybe feels unthreatened by (sorry Rondo).

This is pretty hedgy for a site meta that boasts polarized meta reads on each other, and smacks of someone who is gearing up to push on Bo while retaining the ability to claim you townread him or at least didn't bury him after he flips town.

I've never relied on meta reads of CDCers in a non-CDC environment (other than KZA, who has a volume/comfort tell). I got Falcon wrong twice lately. I got 112 wrong in our last game together. I'm not actually great at meta reading people I've played with for years and years because I feel I've seen it all from them.

Do you think my logic make sense about Bo's intentions or not? Your response here is confbiasy.

[Master Radishes]

Okay now I'm /wolfy popping out for real.

[112]

112 says based on long time knowledge of playing with MR she scum reads him. but doesn't really deliver on that sight besides giving cheeky zingers (#5126).

im just clueless at whos the mafia lol

...syn? rondo? wilgy? radish? falcon?

MR likely
i haven't read a syn post in days
rondo plausible to probable
falc also likely

in conclusion if i have played with you extensively, you are scum

I also don't like the selfawareness in this post with no change in thoughts here, especially after Koba's flip she was equally confident on. 112 should be more lost right now imo

I went into this looking for a MR scum read but then I thought about it more: The telling thing here may be the read MR has on 112...

Unfortunately, MR claims not to be able to read 112 very well. That said, he gives more specific descriptions of 112 and her scum range, but doesn't land anywhere definite (#817 & #809)

112 harbouring a constant low-key suspicion of me probably a townie point for her tbh.

this complicates things however....Mafia is effing hard.

@112 is there ever a world where your interactions with MR right now are T/T?

@Master Radishes if there ever a world where 112 is just scum here?

i townread koba before their death. you're quoting earlier stuff and i am never wrong on my reads.

yes there is a world where we're t/t

You townreading Koba means nothing, especially if the wagons were t/t.

Also, made wasn’t even referring to Koba in this post you’re responding to

are you sure?

[112]

@Master Radishes if there ever a world where 112 is just scum here?

Of course.

The thing about 112 is that when she's on her game she is a unique player archetype I struggle to definitively read, despite having played with her for so many years. I could definitely read her pre-2019 or so, but since her Champs experience I've often struggled - unless she's phoning it in, of course, which happened occasionally in CDC games.

My default setting is to scumread her. Partially this is me just being very reluctant to let myself be fooled by her, partially it's the erratic behaviour she can exhibit as town/mimic as scum. I need to look for reasons to call her town, not the other way around. So far this game we've not interacted in the thread at the same time much; both of us have had long spurts of not being present. So it's been difficult to get any sort of accurate read and I've largely avoided doing so and focused instead on what's in front of me when I'm here.

I will go out on a limb and again GTH call her town. On a big picture level, her limpness in the game would point to her being scum who just doesn't have the time/inclination to put in work. As town she should find it easier to throw out some snap reads without a care in the world. But that's too easily explained away by 'irl stuff' (which I might be overly sympathetic to right now tbh) and when reading her individual posts I can't see anything in particular I want to point out and call scummy. I don't sense what I think is her usual scum agenda of making herself come across as erratic and pure. If she's on a team with others I don't see what she's doing to help them.

It's still very possible she's scum and just sort of coasting by because she's never faced any particularly hot heat, but I think she is probably town who doesn't have the time or energy to put in.

Spoiler: show

Or 3P actually. I, uh, have been harbouring that one for awhile now. If this game reminds me of any I've played with her, it's GoC, where she was 3P.

this is fair and reads as prototypical towny MR

[BoKnows]

You’re claiming pregnant woman. Got it

I actually didn't figure that. Isn't Bo a guy though? (I had to check to make sure.)

CLB

GG no re

Good game no reply?

Is that an admission?

No

You’re claiming pregnant woman. Got it

I actually didn't figure that. Isn't Bo a guy though? (I had to check to make sure.)

Link to the role:
Pregnant Woman

Bad read.

Taking the piss today