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I missed it somehow because I was catching up at various parts of the thread. Why am I your biggest wolfread? What is you specific question?
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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
@Marmot - i find it incredibly weird that you left out these posts from me:Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:50 pmstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:53 pmthis post pinged me because it's the type of post that i would make as a wolf that wants to contribute to the ongoing conversation about jagged's alignment without having any specific observations to make - it's a very filler post, which is totally fine, but it just felt a little awkward for nutella to sit out of the conversation about jay's alignment while still somewhat involving herself in it
im also a little concerned on how nutella went from: "this post from nanook is performative but maybe in a towny way" to putting nanook in her "Bad Vibes" tier on #266, and her push on cassandra on #316 pinged me when i was catching up as well. i do think that nutella is playing closer to her scum game than her town game so far and i guess i want to make that known, but if she is town then im pretty confident ill find hernutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:03 pmthis is performativeNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:50 pm Just so we're clear what's happening here i already gave my three and a half reads and now I'm going to shit post until I cap myself and come back 10-15 minutes before eod to naked vote and be sheeped and we may or may not hit mafia but it'll be worth it for the experience and the memories
might loop back to being towny but im not surestaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:31 amokay thanks, i like this postnutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:27 ami don't really know what to do with this high-volume form of nanook and there are ways i can read his performativity as town indicative, maybe even more likely so. the post about planning to hit postcap and drop off pinged me as something wolf nook might want to do as a kind of defense mechanism (use up posts and take himself off the table in a way). idk. i think he's using the posts well so far and not just spamming, and i liked that he picked up on jay's vibes being off, even if i don't agree with how hard he's pushing it since jay's vibes tend to be off d1 ime. like i don't think jay is seen as a mischop in general but it's conceivable to push him d1? idk i don't actually see the permutation of wolf nook and town jay here making sense. conceivably nook could be hellbussing jay as w/w for fun and profit but i think it's more likely nook is simply town who truly feels bad vibes from jaystaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:14 amto be clear, i don't think there's a discrepancy in your progression on nanook - i just felt that your progression on him was a little underdeveloped/unclearnutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:54 am i think youre oversimplifying my reads, to me there was more nuance between these but maybe it wasn't clear, like the first nanook comment was a net negative albeit light, and you're renaming my meh tier to bad tier to exaggerate a perceived discrepancy which in my pov wasn't a discrepancy at all? i'm almost concerned that you're trying to paint my progression as less consistent than it truly was in the posts that are right there that you can read
yeah the more i think about it the more thats classic scum spf narrative tweaking
it is usually very easy to understand how your reads shift from point A to point B when youre town, whereas your reasoning to put nanook in your "meh" tier seemed more opaque, which made me worried that you were just going through the motions of having a progression instead of organically coming up with one, if you get me. i would actually find it helpful if you talked about your thoughts on nanook a little bit more (and ftr some of your posts on this page are making me wonder if youre just town)
also the renaming of the "meh" tier wasnt intentional but that probably is something i would do as mafiastaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:01 pmcan you talk about your read on JJJ a bit more? i know youve mentioned that you felt that he has been "off" in some way (and i actually think that marmot nailed the description of why it might feel that way, because it is true that JJJ is focused more on posting individual observations than he is on dialoguing directly with other players), but im not sure if him being "off" is a reason to wolfread him within itself. im having a hard time getting a grasp on JJJ in this game in general, so i wanna talk about him morestaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:07 pmfwiw i thought that marmot's initial reasoning to scumread you was among some of the towniest stuff that he's posted, because he pinpointed a specific observation about you that i hadnt found a way to put into words yet, which indicates to me that marmot was putting genuine thought into his read on you. i thought the way that he treated you from there came off as a bit binary/maybe a bit too focused on keeping you in his POE, thoughJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:59 pm I'm a bit torn on the rodent from the PNW. Holistically, I think his posts look fine -- his hunt seems to be organized in a way that recalls some of his other recent town efforts reasonably well. Conversely I sensed some opportunism in his treatment of me (e.g. suggesting I changed my approach somehow after pressure). I grant there's personal bias in that. It'd help to get someone else's perspective about Marmot's view of me.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:01 pmthe best answer i can give without going back to nanook's ISO is simply: "tone/motivation" - it felt like nanook had a drive to push his reads forward when he was posting earlier in the day, whereas it seems like NAA has lost that drive, even if i don't think that necessarily reflects on his alignmentJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 5:05 pmPerhaps a more productive way to frame this question:
What’s the fundamental difference with respect to interpreting alignment between Nanook and NAA in this Day 1?
i'm open to considering both NAA and nanook as wolves, but i suppose i'm looking for a reason to be suspicious of them that isn't simply: "they aren't towny", and i don't feel like anyone has provided that type of reasoning yet
I would call spf compatible teammates with Jay based on these Day 1 posts. Spf made reads on several other players Day 1 for their reads on Jay, without contributing any such reads of his behavior of her own. This includes:
- A suspicion of nutella before backing off
- Asking cass about her opinion
- townread of Nanook
- townread of me
The closest she got to talking about it was acknowledging it in her conversation with cass, though spf offered no specific read of her own on him. My interpretation, spf was testing the waters to see if JJJ was in any danger, and how she should handle his slot.
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:22 pm unfortunately i have also reached the conclusion that jagged might be a wolf, but not sure if i want to go there on d1
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:31 pm i have gotten the impression that jagged is struggling to make more holistically focused posts - he posts a lot of observations that generally Sound Good, but i am finding it more difficult than usual to see how those observations inform and shape his worldview, and i feel like i am unable to see the gears moving in his brain in a similar way that ive seen them move in previous games. when im a wolf, i know that i struggle to make posts with a "wide" scope, and i have theorized that jagged is a wolf going through a similar struggle. i don't think he's the most optimal d1 chop, though
it's just objectively incorrect to say that i didnt take a stance on jagged on my own - i outright called him a likely wolf and then explained why i thought he was a wolf, and THEN voted him. it's true that i didn't think he was a good d1 chop (which should be understandable), but your interpretation of my posts is just outright wrong
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
alright finestaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:23 pm@Marmot - i find it incredibly weird that you left out these posts from me:Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:50 pmstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:53 pmthis post pinged me because it's the type of post that i would make as a wolf that wants to contribute to the ongoing conversation about jagged's alignment without having any specific observations to make - it's a very filler post, which is totally fine, but it just felt a little awkward for nutella to sit out of the conversation about jay's alignment while still somewhat involving herself in it
im also a little concerned on how nutella went from: "this post from nanook is performative but maybe in a towny way" to putting nanook in her "Bad Vibes" tier on #266, and her push on cassandra on #316 pinged me when i was catching up as well. i do think that nutella is playing closer to her scum game than her town game so far and i guess i want to make that known, but if she is town then im pretty confident ill find hernutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:03 pmthis is performativeNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:50 pm Just so we're clear what's happening here i already gave my three and a half reads and now I'm going to shit post until I cap myself and come back 10-15 minutes before eod to naked vote and be sheeped and we may or may not hit mafia but it'll be worth it for the experience and the memories
might loop back to being towny but im not surestaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:31 amokay thanks, i like this postnutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:27 ami don't really know what to do with this high-volume form of nanook and there are ways i can read his performativity as town indicative, maybe even more likely so. the post about planning to hit postcap and drop off pinged me as something wolf nook might want to do as a kind of defense mechanism (use up posts and take himself off the table in a way). idk. i think he's using the posts well so far and not just spamming, and i liked that he picked up on jay's vibes being off, even if i don't agree with how hard he's pushing it since jay's vibes tend to be off d1 ime. like i don't think jay is seen as a mischop in general but it's conceivable to push him d1? idk i don't actually see the permutation of wolf nook and town jay here making sense. conceivably nook could be hellbussing jay as w/w for fun and profit but i think it's more likely nook is simply town who truly feels bad vibes from jaystaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:14 amto be clear, i don't think there's a discrepancy in your progression on nanook - i just felt that your progression on him was a little underdeveloped/unclearnutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:54 am i think youre oversimplifying my reads, to me there was more nuance between these but maybe it wasn't clear, like the first nanook comment was a net negative albeit light, and you're renaming my meh tier to bad tier to exaggerate a perceived discrepancy which in my pov wasn't a discrepancy at all? i'm almost concerned that you're trying to paint my progression as less consistent than it truly was in the posts that are right there that you can read
yeah the more i think about it the more thats classic scum spf narrative tweaking
it is usually very easy to understand how your reads shift from point A to point B when youre town, whereas your reasoning to put nanook in your "meh" tier seemed more opaque, which made me worried that you were just going through the motions of having a progression instead of organically coming up with one, if you get me. i would actually find it helpful if you talked about your thoughts on nanook a little bit more (and ftr some of your posts on this page are making me wonder if youre just town)
also the renaming of the "meh" tier wasnt intentional but that probably is something i would do as mafiastaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:01 pmcan you talk about your read on JJJ a bit more? i know youve mentioned that you felt that he has been "off" in some way (and i actually think that marmot nailed the description of why it might feel that way, because it is true that JJJ is focused more on posting individual observations than he is on dialoguing directly with other players), but im not sure if him being "off" is a reason to wolfread him within itself. im having a hard time getting a grasp on JJJ in this game in general, so i wanna talk about him morestaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:07 pmfwiw i thought that marmot's initial reasoning to scumread you was among some of the towniest stuff that he's posted, because he pinpointed a specific observation about you that i hadnt found a way to put into words yet, which indicates to me that marmot was putting genuine thought into his read on you. i thought the way that he treated you from there came off as a bit binary/maybe a bit too focused on keeping you in his POE, thoughJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:59 pm I'm a bit torn on the rodent from the PNW. Holistically, I think his posts look fine -- his hunt seems to be organized in a way that recalls some of his other recent town efforts reasonably well. Conversely I sensed some opportunism in his treatment of me (e.g. suggesting I changed my approach somehow after pressure). I grant there's personal bias in that. It'd help to get someone else's perspective about Marmot's view of me.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:01 pmthe best answer i can give without going back to nanook's ISO is simply: "tone/motivation" - it felt like nanook had a drive to push his reads forward when he was posting earlier in the day, whereas it seems like NAA has lost that drive, even if i don't think that necessarily reflects on his alignmentJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 5:05 pmPerhaps a more productive way to frame this question:
What’s the fundamental difference with respect to interpreting alignment between Nanook and NAA in this Day 1?
i'm open to considering both NAA and nanook as wolves, but i suppose i'm looking for a reason to be suspicious of them that isn't simply: "they aren't towny", and i don't feel like anyone has provided that type of reasoning yet
I would call spf compatible teammates with Jay based on these Day 1 posts. Spf made reads on several other players Day 1 for their reads on Jay, without contributing any such reads of his behavior of her own. This includes:
- A suspicion of nutella before backing off
- Asking cass about her opinion
- townread of Nanook
- townread of me
The closest she got to talking about it was acknowledging it in her conversation with cass, though spf offered no specific read of her own on him. My interpretation, spf was testing the waters to see if JJJ was in any danger, and how she should handle his slot.
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:22 pm unfortunately i have also reached the conclusion that jagged might be a wolf, but not sure if i want to go there on d1staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:31 pm i have gotten the impression that jagged is struggling to make more holistically focused posts - he posts a lot of observations that generally Sound Good, but i am finding it more difficult than usual to see how those observations inform and shape his worldview, and i feel like i am unable to see the gears moving in his brain in a similar way that ive seen them move in previous games. when im a wolf, i know that i struggle to make posts with a "wide" scope, and i have theorized that jagged is a wolf going through a similar struggle. i don't think he's the most optimal d1 chop, thoughit's just objectively incorrect to say that i didnt take a stance on jagged on my own - i outright called him a likely wolf and then explained why i thought he was a wolf, and THEN voted him. it's true that i didn't think he was a good d1 chop (which should be understandable), but your interpretation of my posts is just outright wrong
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For Anne to be scum I'm pretty sure I have to be as well. I know that is not the case, but can attempt to view from an outside perspective and still don't see that as the case.
explain why your town alignment confirms anne's? i am missing this logic entirely (may have missed the posts, sorry)
this is a terrible read that u shouldnt listen to but i buy that this interaction is not W/WJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:01 pmHello cassandra. I think you're the only person here I haven't played with or at least had ~Mafia conversations~ with (iaafr). So like, what are you about
yehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:30 pm Some of you already know this, and were alerted as soon as it happened, so may as well catch everyone up to speed.
Mac & I are now Lovers.
It appears to have had less thread impact than we expectedMacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:36 pmyehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:30 pm Some of you already know this, and were alerted as soon as it happened, so may as well catch everyone up to speed.
Mac & I are now Lovers.
this reasoning from NAA strikes me as awkward in hindsight, just cause in the only game that i played with NAA, he incessantly hardtunneled on jagged for days on end and had no reservations about pushing him whatsoever lolNotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:54 pmI refuse to vote Jay because he generally seems to be able to reason with me, which is pretty rare in forum mafia, so I can't be voting that D1 under any circumstances.
give it timefalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:37 pmIt appears to have had less thread impact than we expectedMacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:36 pmyehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:30 pm Some of you already know this, and were alerted as soon as it happened, so may as well catch everyone up to speed.
Mac & I are now Lovers.
yeah naas jjj read is really badstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:38 pmthis reasoning from NAA strikes me as awkward in hindsight, just cause in the only game that i played with NAA, he incessantly hardtunneled on jagged for days on end and had no reservations about pushing him whatsoever lolNotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:54 pmI refuse to vote Jay because he generally seems to be able to reason with me, which is pretty rare in forum mafia, so I can't be voting that D1 under any circumstances.
We went from wagon Anne to wagon Jay when I was at 5 votes.iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:34 pmexplain why your town alignment confirms anne's? i am missing this logic entirely (may have missed the posts, sorry)
if the team is, say, afk-at-eod mac, afk-at-eod anne, and widely suspected and ill-regarded NAA, it's not like scum really had the clout to do anything about anything that happened at EODDrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:40 pmWe went from wagon Anne to wagon Jay when I was at 5 votes.iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:34 pmexplain why your town alignment confirms anne's? i am missing this logic entirely (may have missed the posts, sorry)
I see little reason why scum, if 2 scum buddies in Anne and Jay were in danger wouldn't have made me the yeet leader.
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I am on my 3rd Monster Energy Drink, I'm less patient than normalMacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:38 pmgive it timefalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:37 pmIt appears to have had less thread impact than we expectedMacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:36 pmyehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:30 pm Some of you already know this, and were alerted as soon as it happened, so may as well catch everyone up to speed.
Mac & I are now Lovers.
Jay is a smart enough player to know that this would look really bad on him if either Wilgy or Axehole flipped scum. I'd say that this is currently the strongest piece of evidence in their favors.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:59 pmnutella is right about hedging, at least in the current culture.leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:54 pmYou're hedging on two potential wagons now. What is your GTH on Anne and Wilgy, and MR and Axehole for that matter?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:52 pm I’m not sure any chop on the board is a bigger shrug than Wilgy. I have no read. Folks newer to him should be aware though that his general approach to this game isn’t atypical of what I know of DrWilgy. This is what he do
M, T, T, T gun to head
bruh arent you townreading nutella
I suppose. I guess the thing is that I made it free.99 for scum to push me and don't feel like they did (even earlier in the phase for clarity), probably because they were just cool with Anne dying.iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:41 pmif the team is, say, afk-at-eod mac, afk-at-eod anne, and widely suspected and ill-regarded NAA, it's not like scum really had the clout to do anything about anything that happened at EODDrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:40 pmWe went from wagon Anne to wagon Jay when I was at 5 votes.iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:34 pmexplain why your town alignment confirms anne's? i am missing this logic entirely (may have missed the posts, sorry)
I see little reason why scum, if 2 scum buddies in Anne and Jay were in danger wouldn't have made me the yeet leader.