[TOWN WIN] Lost in Space Mafia

[Lime Coke]

Does Seanzie/Creature work in this?

I don't get what the hell Creature is doing.

[Seanzie]

Does Seanzie/Creature work in this?

I don't get what the hell Creature is doing.

Do you get what the hell I'm doing?

[Lime Coke]

Does Seanzie/Creature work in this?

I don't get what the hell Creature is doing.

Do you get what the hell I'm doing?

Not at all.

You're not obvious town like you keep saying you are though.

[Seanzie]

Does Seanzie/Creature work in this?

I don't get what the hell Creature is doing.

Do you get what the hell I'm doing?

Not at all.

You're not obvious town like you keep saying you are though.

Yes I am.

[Lime Coke]

Does Seanzie/Creature work in this?

I don't get what the hell Creature is doing.

Do you get what the hell I'm doing?

Not at all.

You're not obvious town like you keep saying you are though.

Yes I am.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

[Lime Coke]

The man is delusional.

[Seanzie]

Does Seanzie/Creature work in this?

I don't get what the hell Creature is doing.

Do you get what the hell I'm doing?

Not at all.

You're not obvious town like you keep saying you are though.

Yes I am.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Nah... try again.

[Seanzie]

The man is delusional.

Oh, this is fun...

So like... I'm not doing this tactically to get townread... I'm just delusional...

Meaning I'm not wolf... because if you thought I was wolf here, you'd never think I was delusional, you'd think I was trying to push myself into a towncore in order to win.

LC slam diddly dunk! TMI on Mac, can't deal with obvtown Seanzie.

[Lime Coke]

The man is delusional.

Oh, this is fun...

So like... I'm not doing this tactically to get townread... I'm just delusional...

Meaning I'm not wolf... because if you thought I was wolf here, you'd never think I was delusional, you'd think I was trying to push myself into a towncore in order to win.

LC slam diddly dunk! TMI on Mac, can't deal with obvtown Seanzie.

If you are town then your reads are just garbage.

Low key kind of stopped caring.

[Seanzie]

The man is delusional.

Oh, this is fun...

So like... I'm not doing this tactically to get townread... I'm just delusional...

Meaning I'm not wolf... because if you thought I was wolf here, you'd never think I was delusional, you'd think I was trying to push myself into a towncore in order to win.

LC slam diddly dunk! TMI on Mac, can't deal with obvtown Seanzie.

If you are town then your reads are just garbage.

Low key kind of stopped caring.

Which reads?

Which reads are garbage, LC?

[Lime Coke]

The man is delusional.

Oh, this is fun...

So like... I'm not doing this tactically to get townread... I'm just delusional...

Meaning I'm not wolf... because if you thought I was wolf here, you'd never think I was delusional, you'd think I was trying to push myself into a towncore in order to win.

LC slam diddly dunk! TMI on Mac, can't deal with obvtown Seanzie.

If you are town then your reads are just garbage.

Low key kind of stopped caring.

Which reads?

Which reads are garbage, LC?

Look where your vote is, idiot.

[Seanzie]

The man is delusional.

Oh, this is fun...

So like... I'm not doing this tactically to get townread... I'm just delusional...

Meaning I'm not wolf... because if you thought I was wolf here, you'd never think I was delusional, you'd think I was trying to push myself into a towncore in order to win.

LC slam diddly dunk! TMI on Mac, can't deal with obvtown Seanzie.

If you are town then your reads are just garbage.

Low key kind of stopped caring.

Which reads?

Which reads are garbage, LC?

Look where your vote is, idiot.

You said readS, plural.

Is this anti-spew at this point? yeah.

[Lime Coke]

You go after Fext for having me in top towns and you on the bottom.

Like...have you actually done anything?

[Seanzie]

You go after Fext for having me in top towns and you on the bottom.

Like...have you actually done anything?

No. I have given almost no reads, but you think the non-existant reads are garbage... even though I haven't given them... because you're just trying to discredit my push on you and don't have real thoughts about me.

[Lime Coke]

You go after Fext for having me in top towns and you on the bottom.

Like...have you actually done anything?

No. I have given almost no reads, but you think the non-existant reads are garbage... even though I haven't given them... because you're just trying to discredit my push on you and don't have real thoughts about me.

I think if I get lynched at this rate I want you lynched right after.

[Seanzie]

You go after Fext for having me in top towns and you on the bottom.

Like...have you actually done anything?

No. I have given almost no reads, but you think the non-existant reads are garbage... even though I haven't given them... because you're just trying to discredit my push on you and don't have real thoughts about me.

I think if I get lynched at this rate I want you lynched right after.

I am okay eliming you today. If on the off-chance I am wrong, that is a tomorrow problem. Think it is more likely I get N1'd at this point though.

[Lime Coke]

You go after Fext for having me in top towns and you on the bottom.

Like...have you actually done anything?

No. I have given almost no reads, but you think the non-existant reads are garbage... even though I haven't given them... because you're just trying to discredit my push on you and don't have real thoughts about me.

I think if I get lynched at this rate I want you lynched right after.

I am okay eliming you today. If on the off-chance I am wrong, that is a tomorrow problem. Think it is more likely I get N1'd at this point though.

I don't think so.

[Lime Coke]

I'm literally a wagon and I currently have more chances at being N1'd than you.

[Seanzie]

I'm literally a wagon and I currently have more chances at being N1'd than you.

Nah, you're gettting D1'd.

[Lime Coke]

Don't know why I fucking bother with this shit.

[dunya]

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[NotAnAxehole]

Glass houses, stones... Some people need a time-out.

@Seanzie would you say you have a god-read on your friend?

[Seanzie]

Glass houses, stones... Some people need a time-out.

@Seanzie would you say you have a god-read on your friend?

Nope, definitely not.

[Fext]

It's a matter of how people think, really

If you're gathering early votes as mafia in a game with no PRs in particular I'm sure the very last thing you want is to avoid giving people a fact that may help to lower their suspicion of you. Ergo, I would have found NAA not doing that to have been quite towny.

Basically, it's not a matter of me thinking he'd not have an explanation for why he voted me, but instead just the fact that if he chose to essentially redirect pressure on himself into positive force elsewhere without including a semi-relevant fact in his defense that doesn't actually do anything to help determine anyone's alignment, it would be indicative to me of a focus on solving over self-defense at a time when that would conventionally be completely unnecessary to go out of your way to project.

Considering he did not, and so I have not made any definitive statements on his alignment, I'm confused what you're all up in arms about - even if you disagree with my logic there, I'm not using it to make any actual reads in this game at the moment lol

So you're saying that NAA is town for not defending himself when he could have, because as town he'd care more about solving than defending himself, and as scum he wouldn't care about solving and would only care about defending himself. Except that's a false dichotomy, because as town he could easily go "Well, I voted Mac first, but if you wanna know why I voted Fext, here's why: blah blah".

I'm "up in arms" about your logic because I think it doesn't make sense. You were presenting it as part of your thought process, a conditional you were using to evaluate NAA's alignment. If your thought process/conditional isn't coherent, then I'm inclined to think it was never part of a genuine solving process and was just something you made up to look like you were trying to solve NAA.

Yeah and my point is had he not done that and just said the bit about me I woulda found it towny

This is a conditional that doesn't apply because it isn't what he did

So arguments about how I'm applying it in solving NAA are invalid because I'm expressly not applying it to solve NAA

[Fext]

no wait it clearly is and I'm dumb for thinking you didn't think it was bs aren't I

putting that ploy aside

if it helps you any NAA I am in fact town

What the fuck does this mean? What is the "ploy" referenced?

I thought NAA was making up having read my last game without having actually searched a game out

It turns out he just found three games ago rather than my actual last game (and given I had subbed into my last game, I knew that he wasn't using it as a point of comparison based on how he was approaching it)

[MacDougall]

Last time I saw this wily rascal enter with one of them YouTube vidyas he was in fact an evil ravioli.

yes i say we fustigate him

A friend of mine tells me that all Aussies are more or less a cross between Midnight Oil & Mad Max, and I thought I'd go straight to the source & find out if he's right or not

not all Aussies... but me yes

[MacDougall]

given LC is a leading wagon I do have to ask

in poking around I saw he just won a game as mafia where people were like really shocked by his performance

how much does that factor into all of your guys' perceptions of him in this game

found Lime Coke's partner, game is over

[MacDougall]

Oh wow Fext has a million votes lol.

Well I guess that's good.

[MacDougall]

and LC isn't one of them lol

[Lime Coke]

Mac is actually mafia then...got it.

[MacDougall]

Mac is actually mafia then...got it.

Ah yes the old mac is mafia because argument. I love that one.

[NotAnAxehole]

@Fext How do you typically approach a game with new players (new to you), what are your go-to things to scum read / town read? Top 1-2 things you look for.

[Seanzie]

given LC is a leading wagon I do have to ask

in poking around I saw he just won a game as mafia where people were like really shocked by his performance

how much does that factor into all of your guys' perceptions of him in this game

found Lime Coke's partner, game is over

Actually this is a really good point...

@Fext exactly where did you poke around, and how much of each game you looked at did you read?

[Lime Coke]

Mac is actually mafia then...got it.

Ah yes the old mac is mafia because argument. I love that one.

You're obvious.

It's a town L because people aren't paying attention but at least I got you right.

[falcon45ca]

Mac is actually mafia then...got it.

But why?


OMGUS is kewl, just hoping for more

[Seanzie]

Mac is actually mafia then...got it.

Ah yes the old mac is mafia because argument. I love that one.

You're obvious.

It's a town L because people aren't paying attention but at least I got you right.

Do you think it's weird that Fext knew you had just won a mafia game, that you were polarized before that, and that everyone was surprised by how well you played that mafia game?

[Fext]

@Fext How do you typically approach a game with new players (new to you), what are your go-to things to scum read / town read? Top 1-2 things you look for.

Well I have yet to play a game with players who aren't new to me (at least mostly)

Generally I would look for people who are skating by and not actively contributing, as in ToS these are the slots that are scum probably like 75-80% of the time

This backfired horribly in my first game on ZD and although we still won I honestly got played p hard

Arguably same in my third game, wherein I subbed in and although we did lynch the non-contributing scum I went into LyLo with the exact wrong team and only figured it out just before EoD through the actual scum (including Seanzie) focusing way more on myself and the other active townie than on each other (and we only won that game through what I will describe as complete bullshit, it absolutely should have been a loss)

So I guess this is just a long way of saying I haven't decided on one or two things that seem to actually work consistently yet

But I'll call stuff when I see it and see where my gut takes me

[Lime Coke]

Mac is actually mafia then...got it.

Ah yes the old mac is mafia because argument. I love that one.

You're obvious.

It's a town L because people aren't paying attention but at least I got you right.

Do you think it's weird that Fext knew you had just won a mafia game, that you were polarized before that, and that everyone was surprised by how well you played that mafia game?

Didn't he say that he read that game and everyone during and post game was saying that they were shocked?

I was super polarized before that game. Then I changed it with MM mafia.

[Seanzie]

@Fext since you're here, talk to me. Do it in that fast-posty way you usually do.

[Seanzie]

@Fext?

[Seanzie]

Mac is actually mafia then...got it.

Ah yes the old mac is mafia because argument. I love that one.

You're obvious.

It's a town L because people aren't paying attention but at least I got you right.

Do you think it's weird that Fext knew you had just won a mafia game, that you were polarized before that, and that everyone was surprised by how well you played that mafia game?

Didn't he say that he read that game and everyone during and post game was saying that they were shocked?

I was super polarized before that game. Then I changed it with MM mafia.

Which game was it again?

[Fext]

given LC is a leading wagon I do have to ask

in poking around I saw he just won a game as mafia where people were like really shocked by his performance

how much does that factor into all of your guys' perceptions of him in this game

found Lime Coke's partner, game is over

Actually this is a really good point...

@Fext exactly where did you poke around, and how much of each game you looked at did you read?

Honestly don't remember what I looked at or why

Wasn't really a rhyme or reason to it

All I vividly remember is people congratulating Lime Coke for an awesome and unexpected game

Most of the rest was just looking at the OP and skimming to gauge what the general temperature was here (being a new site and all)

If it helps you can go see that I was originally trying to sign up for Urist's game and it filled just before I actually inned

So now I'm here

[Fext]

@Fext since you're here, talk to me. Do it in that fast-posty way you usually do.

lmao

[MacDougall]

Mac is actually mafia then...got it.

Ah yes the old mac is mafia because argument. I love that one.

You're obvious.

It's a town L because people aren't paying attention but at least I got you right.

I am glad to see that you are trying to win the game for town.

[Seanzie]

given LC is a leading wagon I do have to ask

in poking around I saw he just won a game as mafia where people were like really shocked by his performance

how much does that factor into all of your guys' perceptions of him in this game

found Lime Coke's partner, game is over

Actually this is a really good point...

@Fext exactly where did you poke around, and how much of each game you looked at did you read?

Honestly don't remember what I looked at or why

Wasn't really a rhyme or reason to it

All I vividly remember is people congratulating Lime Coke for an awesome and unexpected game

Most of the rest was just looking at the OP and skimming to gauge what the general temperature was here (being a new site and all)

If it helps you can go see that I was originally trying to sign up for Urist's game and it filled just before I actually inned

So now I'm here

aproximately how many games did you look at?

[Lime Coke]

Mac is actually mafia then...got it.

But why?


OMGUS is kewl, just hoping for more

He popped in, stated the 2 top wagons and the 2 top players that had attention on them (Myself and Fext) were mafia, then left without doing anything else.

Would he not be doing anything else as town?

[NotAnAxehole]

given LC is a leading wagon I do have to ask

in poking around I saw he just won a game as mafia where people were like really shocked by his performance

how much does that factor into all of your guys' perceptions of him in this game

found Lime Coke's partner, game is over

Actually this is a really good point...

@Fext exactly where did you poke around, and how much of each game you looked at did you read?

Honestly don't remember what I looked at or why

Wasn't really a rhyme or reason to it

All I vividly remember is people congratulating Lime Coke for an awesome and unexpected game

Most of the rest was just looking at the OP and skimming to gauge what the general temperature was here (being a new site and all)

If it helps you can go see that I was originally trying to sign up for Urist's game and it filled just before I actually inned

So now I'm here

Did you read any of my high quality content?

[Seanzie]

given LC is a leading wagon I do have to ask

in poking around I saw he just won a game as mafia where people were like really shocked by his performance

how much does that factor into all of your guys' perceptions of him in this game

found Lime Coke's partner, game is over

Actually this is a really good point...

@Fext exactly where did you poke around, and how much of each game you looked at did you read?

Honestly don't remember what I looked at or why

Wasn't really a rhyme or reason to it

All I vividly remember is people congratulating Lime Coke for an awesome and unexpected game

Most of the rest was just looking at the OP and skimming to gauge what the general temperature was here (being a new site and all)

If it helps you can go see that I was originally trying to sign up for Urist's game and it filled just before I actually inned

So now I'm here

aproximately how many games did you look at?

Can you give me any details from other games that you looked at?

Did you look at this game specifically because LC was in it, or just because?

[Fext]

given LC is a leading wagon I do have to ask

in poking around I saw he just won a game as mafia where people were like really shocked by his performance

how much does that factor into all of your guys' perceptions of him in this game

found Lime Coke's partner, game is over

Actually this is a really good point...

@Fext exactly where did you poke around, and how much of each game you looked at did you read?

Honestly don't remember what I looked at or why

Wasn't really a rhyme or reason to it

All I vividly remember is people congratulating Lime Coke for an awesome and unexpected game

Most of the rest was just looking at the OP and skimming to gauge what the general temperature was here (being a new site and all)

If it helps you can go see that I was originally trying to sign up for Urist's game and it filled just before I actually inned

So now I'm here

Did you read any of my high quality content?

not that I can remember

although I get the impression "high quality" is a generous label

[NotAnAxehole]

given LC is a leading wagon I do have to ask

in poking around I saw he just won a game as mafia where people were like really shocked by his performance

how much does that factor into all of your guys' perceptions of him in this game

found Lime Coke's partner, game is over

Actually this is a really good point...

@Fext exactly where did you poke around, and how much of each game you looked at did you read?

Honestly don't remember what I looked at or why

Wasn't really a rhyme or reason to it

All I vividly remember is people congratulating Lime Coke for an awesome and unexpected game

Most of the rest was just looking at the OP and skimming to gauge what the general temperature was here (being a new site and all)

If it helps you can go see that I was originally trying to sign up for Urist's game and it filled just before I actually inned

So now I'm here

Did you read any of my high quality content?

not that I can remember

although I get the impression "high quality" is a generous label

Based on what?