[TOWN WIN] Lost in Space Mafia

[Fext]

Okay, fair point.

Let's go the opposite direction and make this easier, who do you feel is town?

list hasn't changed except add mac ig

[Fext]

But now here's the kicker... I just went and read the post-game from that game... and weird thing is... people weren't "shocked by his performance"... many people did congratulate LC on his game, and he did really well, but from what I could see, no one mentioned anything about being "shocked", one person (Alison) did mention that LC was polarized before that, but again... we're now talking about you having remember a very very specific post from a very very specific game... or the occam's razer explanation that you heard about it in scum chat...

And the way that you say it... it REALLY feels like how LC would describe what happened, because LC has the background on himself to know that people congratulating him on that game were surprised by how well he did, not just saying "good game" (because all they were doing was saying LC had a good game, not that they were shocked).

very likely it was the alison post in particular that stuck with me

I may or may not be a sucker for madoka magica

[falcon45ca]

Mac is actually mafia then...got it.

But why?


OMGUS is kewl, just hoping for more

He popped in, stated the 2 top wagons and the 2 top players that had attention on them (Myself and Fext) were mafia, then left without doing anything else.

Would he not be doing anything else as town?

What's your opinion of Mac's scum game?

Even though he just recently had 2 good scum games in a row, I would think he'd still just fuck around and open wolf if it's a smaller game like this and he wouldn't want to try hard and just exist, especially after those 2 specific scum games.

I feel like I would need to read those games but they're both fucky in terms of one game being a hydra game and the other being a mash. I do better learning if it's an average sized game like a 15er or whatever.

Just so I'm clear...your theory is that Mac, having successfully wolfed recently w/ strong effort showings, is gonna fuck around this game cuz of the roster size?

[NotAnAxehole]

Mac is actually mafia then...got it.

But why?


OMGUS is kewl, just hoping for more

He popped in, stated the 2 top wagons and the 2 top players that had attention on them (Myself and Fext) were mafia, then left without doing anything else.

Would he not be doing anything else as town?

What's your opinion of Mac's scum game?

Even though he just recently had 2 good scum games in a row, I would think he'd still just fuck around and open wolf if it's a smaller game like this and he wouldn't want to try hard and just exist, especially after those 2 specific scum games.

I feel like I would need to read those games but they're both fucky in terms of one game being a hydra game and the other being a mash. I do better learning if it's an average sized game like a 15er or whatever.

Just so I'm clear...your theory is that Mac, having successfully wolfed recently w/ strong effort showings, is gonna fuck around this game cuz of the roster size?

Find a game that doesn't involve Mac fucking around... It doesn't exist.

[Fext]

actually, none of my prior games involved mac fucking around

[NotAnAxehole]

actually, none of my prior games involved mac fucking around

None of them involved Mac...

We can't kill this guy, he's way more fun than the rest of the thread combined tbh.

[Creature]

I also don't want to kill Alison D1 despite finding her weird so far.

[Creature]

But I can't find someone I'm okay killing D1.

[NotAnAxehole]

But I can't find someone I'm okay killing D1.

Seanzie, Mac, Falcon... Pick one. I'm content where I am though.

[Lime Coke]

Mac is actually mafia then...got it.

But why?


OMGUS is kewl, just hoping for more

He popped in, stated the 2 top wagons and the 2 top players that had attention on them (Myself and Fext) were mafia, then left without doing anything else.

Would he not be doing anything else as town?

What's your opinion of Mac's scum game?

Even though he just recently had 2 good scum games in a row, I would think he'd still just fuck around and open wolf if it's a smaller game like this and he wouldn't want to try hard and just exist, especially after those 2 specific scum games.

I feel like I would need to read those games but they're both fucky in terms of one game being a hydra game and the other being a mash. I do better learning if it's an average sized game like a 15er or whatever.

Just so I'm clear...your theory is that Mac, having successfully wolfed recently w/ strong effort showings, is gonna fuck around this game cuz of the roster size?

Yes after wolfing in 2 gigantic games he would probably want to take it easy and fuck around if wolf.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

[Creature]

Wait do I know Lime Coke from MU?

[Lime Coke]

Wait do I know Lime Coke from MU?

BlueKang

[Creature]

Wait do I know Lime Coke from MU?

BlueKang

Oh that explains a lot

[Fext]

actually, none of my prior games involved mac fucking around

None of them involved Mac...

We can't kill this guy, he's way more fun than the rest of the thread combined tbh.

[Fext]

would still rather vote Seanzie but better to join NAA on alison than sit there on my own considering I'm probably headed out for the night

[MacDougall]

Seanzie feels like he's putting on an appearance of trying to question me while not actually doing so

Mac feels like he's pushing buttons (and I am biased but some of them are good buttons)

u love scritches?

[MacDougall]

Mac is actually mafia then...got it.

But why?


OMGUS is kewl, just hoping for more

He popped in, stated the 2 top wagons and the 2 top players that had attention on them (Myself and Fext) were mafia, then left without doing anything else.

Would he not be doing anything else as town?

What's your opinion of Mac's scum game?

Even though he just recently had 2 good scum games in a row, I would think he'd still just fuck around and open wolf if it's a smaller game like this and he wouldn't want to try hard and just exist, especially after those 2 specific scum games.

I feel like I would need to read those games but they're both fucky in terms of one game being a hydra game and the other being a mash. I do better learning if it's an average sized game like a 15er or whatever.

maybe but im town here and im fucking around so

[MacDougall]

Mac is actually mafia then...got it.

But why?


OMGUS is kewl, just hoping for more

He popped in, stated the 2 top wagons and the 2 top players that had attention on them (Myself and Fext) were mafia, then left without doing anything else.

Would he not be doing anything else as town?

What's your opinion of Mac's scum game?

Even though he just recently had 2 good scum games in a row, I would think he'd still just fuck around and open wolf if it's a smaller game like this and he wouldn't want to try hard and just exist, especially after those 2 specific scum games.

I feel like I would need to read those games but they're both fucky in terms of one game being a hydra game and the other being a mash. I do better learning if it's an average sized game like a 15er or whatever.

Just so I'm clear...your theory is that Mac, having successfully wolfed recently w/ strong effort showings, is gonna fuck around this game cuz of the roster size?

all votes on falcon from here on in are openwolfing

[MacDougall]

But I can't find someone I'm okay killing D1.

Seanzie, Mac, Falcon... Pick one. I'm content where I am though.

bad

[MacDougall]

Mac is actually mafia then...got it.

But why?


OMGUS is kewl, just hoping for more

He popped in, stated the 2 top wagons and the 2 top players that had attention on them (Myself and Fext) were mafia, then left without doing anything else.

Would he not be doing anything else as town?

What's your opinion of Mac's scum game?

Even though he just recently had 2 good scum games in a row, I would think he'd still just fuck around and open wolf if it's a smaller game like this and he wouldn't want to try hard and just exist, especially after those 2 specific scum games.

I feel like I would need to read those games but they're both fucky in terms of one game being a hydra game and the other being a mash. I do better learning if it's an average sized game like a 15er or whatever.

Just so I'm clear...your theory is that Mac, having successfully wolfed recently w/ strong effort showings, is gonna fuck around this game cuz of the roster size?

Yes after wolfing in 2 gigantic games he would probably want to take it easy and fuck around if wolf.

tbh the more i think about this the more i just think its wrong... this game would require far less effort but i'd still probably outpost everyone by a mile without trying lol

[Lime Coke]

But why?


OMGUS is kewl, just hoping for more

He popped in, stated the 2 top wagons and the 2 top players that had attention on them (Myself and Fext) were mafia, then left without doing anything else.

Would he not be doing anything else as town?

What's your opinion of Mac's scum game?

Even though he just recently had 2 good scum games in a row, I would think he'd still just fuck around and open wolf if it's a smaller game like this and he wouldn't want to try hard and just exist, especially after those 2 specific scum games.

I feel like I would need to read those games but they're both fucky in terms of one game being a hydra game and the other being a mash. I do better learning if it's an average sized game like a 15er or whatever.

Just so I'm clear...your theory is that Mac, having successfully wolfed recently w/ strong effort showings, is gonna fuck around this game cuz of the roster size?

Yes after wolfing in 2 gigantic games he would probably want to take it easy and fuck around if wolf.

tbh the more i think about this the more i just think its wrong... this game would require far less effort but i'd still probably outpost everyone by a mile without trying lol

That would be the point...

[Lime Coke]

Mac is actually mafia then...got it.

But why?


OMGUS is kewl, just hoping for more

He popped in, stated the 2 top wagons and the 2 top players that had attention on them (Myself and Fext) were mafia, then left without doing anything else.

Would he not be doing anything else as town?

What's your opinion of Mac's scum game?

Even though he just recently had 2 good scum games in a row, I would think he'd still just fuck around and open wolf if it's a smaller game like this and he wouldn't want to try hard and just exist, especially after those 2 specific scum games.

I feel like I would need to read those games but they're both fucky in terms of one game being a hydra game and the other being a mash. I do better learning if it's an average sized game like a 15er or whatever.

Just so I'm clear...your theory is that Mac, having successfully wolfed recently w/ strong effort showings, is gonna fuck around this game cuz of the roster size?

all votes on falcon from here on in are openwolfing

For what? Being afraid to wolf read you?

[MacDougall]

But why?


OMGUS is kewl, just hoping for more

He popped in, stated the 2 top wagons and the 2 top players that had attention on them (Myself and Fext) were mafia, then left without doing anything else.

Would he not be doing anything else as town?

What's your opinion of Mac's scum game?

Even though he just recently had 2 good scum games in a row, I would think he'd still just fuck around and open wolf if it's a smaller game like this and he wouldn't want to try hard and just exist, especially after those 2 specific scum games.

I feel like I would need to read those games but they're both fucky in terms of one game being a hydra game and the other being a mash. I do better learning if it's an average sized game like a 15er or whatever.

Just so I'm clear...your theory is that Mac, having successfully wolfed recently w/ strong effort showings, is gonna fuck around this game cuz of the roster size?

all votes on falcon from here on in are openwolfing

For what? Being afraid to wolf read you?

falcon ez read

[Lime Coke]

Sure...we'll say that.

[NotAnAxehole]

But I can't find someone I'm okay killing D1.

Seanzie, Mac, Falcon... Pick one. I'm content where I am though.

bad

I mean, if Alison & Seanzie flip mafia, then you're bad for posting this, correct?

[MacDougall]

But I can't find someone I'm okay killing D1.

Seanzie, Mac, Falcon... Pick one. I'm content where I am though.

bad

I mean, if Alison & Seanzie flip mafia, then you're bad for posting this, correct?

if they both flip mafia im mafia?

yes sure that is how we maf

[NotAnAxehole]

But I can't find someone I'm okay killing D1.

Seanzie, Mac, Falcon... Pick one. I'm content where I am though.

bad

I mean, if Alison & Seanzie flip mafia, then you're bad for posting this, correct?

if they both flip mafia im mafia?

yes sure that is how we maf

No, I meant bad in the traditional sense.

[MacDougall]

But I can't find someone I'm okay killing D1.

Seanzie, Mac, Falcon... Pick one. I'm content where I am though.

bad

I mean, if Alison & Seanzie flip mafia, then you're bad for posting this, correct?

if they both flip mafia im mafia?

yes sure that is how we maf

No, I meant bad in the traditional sense.

oh im just bad anyway

[NotAnAxehole]

But I can't find someone I'm okay killing D1.

Seanzie, Mac, Falcon... Pick one. I'm content where I am though.

bad

I mean, if Alison & Seanzie flip mafia, then you're bad for posting this, correct?

if they both flip mafia im mafia?

yes sure that is how we maf

No, I meant bad in the traditional sense.

oh im just bad anyway

Same tbh...

[Creature]

Oh Host/Spec is winning so far

[Creature]

Just realized I'm the only one not voting anyone. So where should I vote?

[Seanzie]

Just realized I'm the only one not voting anyone. So where should I vote?

Fext

[Creature]

Just realized I'm the only one not voting anyone. So where should I vote?

Fext

Why?

[Seanzie]

Just realized I'm the only one not voting anyone. So where should I vote?

Fext

Why?

Are you caught up on the thread?

[Fext]

Seanzie you're boring me

[Fext]

Like I know it's hard to put effort in when shouting "TOWN ON FEXT" works just as well sometime but we still have like a whole day

[Seanzie]

Like I know it's hard to put effort in when shouting "TOWN ON FEXT" works just as well sometime but we still have like a whole day

Sorry that you messed up, dude. Better luck next time.

[Fext]

Eh voting Alison is dumb I'm back on Seanzie

It seems so incongruous with what I'd expect for you to be so buried in a solo tunnel on something like this yet is vaguely reminiscent of your "red check" from the last game and your subsequent stubbornness that I just can't

[Seanzie]

Eh voting Alison is dumb I'm back on Seanzie

It seems so incongruous with what I'd expect for you to be so buried in a solo tunnel on something like this yet is vaguely reminiscent of your "red check" from the last game and your subsequent stubbornness that I just can't

You're the top wagon, this isn't a "solo tunnel".

I'm not going to fight you all day. You're the chop today. Honestly I wish there was a hammer, but alas, we'll have to wait until tomorrow.

[Seanzie]

Oh, I suppose I should also [VOTE: Fext] aubergine

[Seanzie]

Lol, LC ghostvoted me just now.

[Lime Coke]

[Fext]

It's a solo tunnel on the back of an existing wagon

Alison and Wilgy were on me beforehand and iirc neither has shown themselves since Mac first accused LC and I of being partners, and considering he himself referred to it as "no reason" or some such I get the impression he isn't at sll convinced he actually found a sign of an exact pairing

Meaning you're just kinda running full bore into crazytown atm and that's weird to me in a way that is far more reminiscent of your actions in the game we played where you were scum than in the game where you were town

[Seanzie]

So I definitely think Fext is the right choice of chop today, but I also think the people currently on Fext should state why they're voting. He brought up a good point that some of the people were voting Fext for a while.

@Alison @DrWilgy @MacDougall

Do you all think Fext scumslipped? If not, do you still think he should be the yeet? Why/why not?

If he flips scum, possible partners?

[Alison]

The man is delusional.

Oh, this is fun...

So like... I'm not doing this tactically to get townread... I'm just delusional...

Meaning I'm not wolf... because if you thought I was wolf here, you'd never think I was delusional, you'd think I was trying to push myself into a towncore in order to win.

LC slam diddly dunk! TMI on Mac, can't deal with obvtown Seanzie.

I don't think this is a scumslip because I think it's reasonable to belief that a wolf is trying to get themselves townread by repeating over and over that they're out of their scumrange or obvious town, but are deluded about how much the town actually believes it, and I've held similar sentiments in the past when my scumreads say those things.

This post is townie though because of the conviction in the read and the gotcha attitude.

[Alison]

It's a matter of how people think, really

If you're gathering early votes as mafia in a game with no PRs in particular I'm sure the very last thing you want is to avoid giving people a fact that may help to lower their suspicion of you. Ergo, I would have found NAA not doing that to have been quite towny.

Basically, it's not a matter of me thinking he'd not have an explanation for why he voted me, but instead just the fact that if he chose to essentially redirect pressure on himself into positive force elsewhere without including a semi-relevant fact in his defense that doesn't actually do anything to help determine anyone's alignment, it would be indicative to me of a focus on solving over self-defense at a time when that would conventionally be completely unnecessary to go out of your way to project.

Considering he did not, and so I have not made any definitive statements on his alignment, I'm confused what you're all up in arms about - even if you disagree with my logic there, I'm not using it to make any actual reads in this game at the moment lol

So you're saying that NAA is town for not defending himself when he could have, because as town he'd care more about solving than defending himself, and as scum he wouldn't care about solving and would only care about defending himself. Except that's a false dichotomy, because as town he could easily go "Well, I voted Mac first, but if you wanna know why I voted Fext, here's why: blah blah".

I'm "up in arms" about your logic because I think it doesn't make sense. You were presenting it as part of your thought process, a conditional you were using to evaluate NAA's alignment. If your thought process/conditional isn't coherent, then I'm inclined to think it was never part of a genuine solving process and was just something you made up to look like you were trying to solve NAA.

Yeah and my point is had he not done that and just said the bit about me I woulda found it towny

This is a conditional that doesn't apply because it isn't what he did

So arguments about how I'm applying it in solving NAA are invalid because I'm expressly not applying it to solve NAA

I know you aren't using it to solve NAA. I'm saying that it doesn't make sense to me, and I suspect you made it up. And I think if you made it up, you most likely did that as scum to seem like you were thinking of various possibilities and look townie.

[Alison]

@Fext since you're here, talk to me. Do it in that fast-posty way you usually do.

Honestly don't remember what I looked at or why

Wasn't really a rhyme or reason to it

All I vividly remember is people congratulating Lime Coke for an awesome and unexpected game

Most of the rest was just looking at the OP and skimming to gauge what the general temperature was here (being a new site and all)

If it helps you can go see that I was originally trying to sign up for Urist's game and it filled just before I actually inned

So now I'm here

aproximately how many games did you look at?

Can you give me any details from other games that you looked at?

Did you look at this game specifically because LC was in it, or just because?

I don't remember which game it was

also why would I care about LC in particular

Did you look at other games? Do you remember anything from any of them if you did?

probably and literally not a thing

Weird how well you remember this very specific detail about LC though... it seems like you had to have read that game pretty closely, but the rest of the games you didn't read closely?

I am strongly townreading Seanzie for this sequence regardless of Fext's alignment, if Fext is scum then he is lock town never re-eval.

[Alison]

Seanzie, myself and Mac are all projecting strong scumreads on Fext.

We are all well known for having accurate D1 reads and we can't all be wolves.

We should just throw Fext into the sun and then turbo LC if he flips mafia.

[Alison]

also it's not a nitpick if you're pushing me because "regardless of whether creature is scum or town, you reading him in your townier group is always malicious" to call that out as being gross

he can either be one or the other and you choosing to always ascribe that to pointing towards me being evil is senseless at best and outright malicious itself at worst

[VOTE: Fext] aubergine

This is nonsense. If you have an incoherent or illogical read on someone, that is suspicious behavior regardless of the alignment of the person you were reading.

bruh

I don't think Wilgy's read is that objectionable. He's just saying "there's no real reason to put Creature up high, which means you know something about Creature we don't and have an outside agenda regarding him".

lol

This person is mafia.