GAME OF CHAMPIONS 2021 Endgame (town and 3p win)

[ilario]

Why the hell would you chose me for your wolf team.

Somebody shoot this please.

If seanzie is being serious here then this is a scummy post.

[LinearPoint]

I'm much better at telling alignments when people hardpush me

Hmm, doubt.
Neeko's only seen wrong answer so far.

[nutella]

honestly that whole alison post reads as scum casing town

Nah. Alison being guns blazing like this is townie and maybe this is the weakest point in the case but the rest is on the nose. Like the whole guilty conscience and 3p comment thing is pretty solid slam dunking imo.

The guilty was like half-serious. It was the best thing to push on at the time. It was that or wait for a magical case on someone.

This isn't helping you

Why not?

It's a bad post and not even defending the point I was emphasizing

Well you think the guilty thing was a slam dunk and I just showed my townie mindset behind hoping it to be true even if just for lols and giggles

Guilty conscience. Alison's point about your 3p post. Not what you are referring to

[ilario]

Notice from everyone!
Kindly listen... so

I'm gonna play bad when being scum read
It would hinder me to give the town some info
So let's just play some game and stop the music
If you try to buddy me, I graciously accept
I am spreading love, but also wanting to become a hero
Let's have fun y'all and don't lynch me I have soo many things I can offer

I kinda like this

@Paopan im down to buddy each other

[112]

Wow we really are voting out LP

I mean we're only a few hours into the day? This doesn't feel like a real contribution.

What is your read on LP? Who do you think we should be voting?

i feel like you don't really believe in the aura of this post and are going after tony just because you can?

I mean, I am a little wary of pushing a dude who might have a concussion right now, so I did kinda treat him with kids gloves on the first part of the post.

I am also going after Tony just because I can though. His post feels fake, and going after him about it will make him do AI things.

If you really scum read me, you're going to have to do better than stating reads without reasons and subtle shade on my posts. Come at me. I'm much better at telling alignments when people hardpush me, so I encourage you to bring it if you believe it.

i'm actually going to get into the game at my own pace and play it how i do

i will come back to you repeatedly throughout the game and share more for reasons, bases and axioms later in all probability

tbh though when people are insisting on going through mafia games all logico-philosophicus, things can pretty quickly turn into nonsense.

[hollowkatt]

At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

This is extremely NAI for Creature

Are the other parts of my case NAI for him, too?

I think it's way too early to write such a monster of a post--if you have so much to write against him/his slot right now, it's probably coming from a place of wolfy over-eagerness to project town or otherwise control the game.

have you played with Alison before? Her entire thing is thread control. When she's town she's, in my opinion, terrifying to wolf against and your best bet is to go for a 1-2 day pocket and then NK her before she wrecks you. When she's a wolf she wants thread control but a thread this large and this busy she's not going to get there this early.

Anyways she's town.

[Creature]

Nah. Alison being guns blazing like this is townie and maybe this is the weakest point in the case but the rest is on the nose. Like the whole guilty conscience and 3p comment thing is pretty solid slam dunking imo.

The guilty was like half-serious. It was the best thing to push on at the time. It was that or wait for a magical case on someone.

This isn't helping you

Why not?

It's a bad post and not even defending the point I was emphasizing

Well you think the guilty thing was a slam dunk and I just showed my townie mindset behind hoping it to be true even if just for lols and giggles

Guilty conscience. Alison's point about your 3p post. Not what you are referring to

Ah I thought you were talking about the alexa thing

I would much rather be accused of being 3p than mafia because that's more entertaining than the garbage preflip reads. But I'm not 3p either

[ilario]

I want the guilty on nutella to be legit

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Openings like these tend to be >rand scum though I wonder if alison would do such a rookie mistake as a wolf

[alexa]

i liked guillotine's opening but the one thing that did ping me was him saying that he expected better of my play/i don't make those kinds of mistakes as it's just ???? objectively false and i thought he got better with my meta. so yeah maybe that + waza's read, i would drop him from my previous towncore rn.

[Creature]

I no longer think Alison is necessarily wolfing here but the case is incorrect

[Creature]

I expect to be consensus townread somewhere by the end of the day

[c4e5g3d5]

i liked guillotine's opening but the one thing that did ping me was him saying that he expected better of my play/i don't make those kinds of mistakes as it's just ???? objectively false and i thought he got better with my meta. so yeah maybe that + waza's read, i would drop him from my previous towncore rn.

Ctrl Z that

[ilario]

why are you 3P hunting? 3P and Mafia are both scum and must die, what's the difference?

The difference is that they might more of a threat to scum than to us.

Right Alexa?

i'm not 3P hunting, i'm simply stating that i have a check on nutella that states she isn't town

Do you hard claim this? If you do I have the means to kill her now.

don't kill her yet

Why not? She is not town as you claim.

ok so

essentially i have info on her role and it's not a town role (i didn't think)

but her reaction to this is kind of towny so i'm not sure

I have a scummy role but town. I actually had to clarify whether I was town or lost wolf with Nanook.

Yikes

This is something I’d say as a wolf

[Paopan]

Paopan im down to buddy each other

If you tend to have a suspicion that Guillo & Alexa are W/W, then sure!

[112]

I no longer think Alison is necessarily wolfing here but the case is incorrect

elite take

creature locktown

[Creature]

Also the Alison case at least made me more engaged with the game

[Scotty]

there's a chance she is town it is not exactly a red check i won't know for sure until tomorrow or the next day

“I can’t make my rent payment, so I’ll pay you back maybe in the month, or next year, or not lol. Also, I broke the dryer again, sorry, kthnxbye!”

[hollowkatt]

For real though, alexa and nutella are doing nothing to dissuade my pre-game assumption that all or most of alexa/nutella/mac/alison are chosen wolves.

Let's get chopping.

nobody would choose me as a wolf lmao

What? How’s this work? Did wolves get to choose their team? Or just a few players

there is a wolf captain. Said captain could choose Roles or choose Players.

If they choose roles their team would be built through randomized like teams normally are, but then they could pick among a set of roles for themselves.
If the choose Players they get to draft from the player list their pack but their roles would be assigned randomly.

This is why some people are making posts like "if the wolf captain picked players I can't be a wolf"

[Seanzie]

Wow we really are voting out LP

I mean we're only a few hours into the day? This doesn't feel like a real contribution.

What is your read on LP? Who do you think we should be voting?

i feel like you don't really believe in the aura of this post and are going after tony just because you can?

I mean, I am a little wary of pushing a dude who might have a concussion right now, so I did kinda treat him with kids gloves on the first part of the post.

I am also going after Tony just because I can though. His post feels fake, and going after him about it will make him do AI things.

If you really scum read me, you're going to have to do better than stating reads without reasons and subtle shade on my posts. Come at me. I'm much better at telling alignments when people hardpush me, so I encourage you to bring it if you believe it.

i'm actually going to get into the game at my own pace and play it how i do

i will come back to you repeatedly throughout the game and share more for reasons, bases and axioms later in all probability

tbh though when people are insisting on going through mafia games all logico-philosophicus, things can pretty quickly turn into nonsense.

Eh... kinda feels like your shade might just be shade then.

@ me when you actually have something that will make me think things about you.

I didn't want to rip the post to pieces, I skipped doing that. It was only after being pushed to did I rip it to pieces with my logico-poilosophicus-i-ness.

[Creature]

I feel like I shouldn't be the one towncasing myself

[Scotty]

I got the best role in this motherfucking planet, I'm gonna destroy so many wolves with it. I finally can get shit done on my own!

Guillermo 3p confirmed

[Creature]

Okay just realized it is significantly better for mafia to choose roles over players

[112]

For real though, alexa and nutella are doing nothing to dissuade my pre-game assumption that all or most of alexa/nutella/mac/alison are chosen wolves.

Let's get chopping.

nobody would choose me as a wolf lmao

What? How’s this work? Did wolves get to choose their team? Or just a few players

there is a wolf captain. Said captain could choose Roles or choose Players.

If they choose roles their team would be built through randomized like teams normally are, but then they could pick among a set of roles for themselves.
If the choose Players they get to draft from the player list their pack but their roles would be assigned randomly.

This is why some people are making posts like "if the wolf captain picked players I can't be a wolf"

I did not sign up for theoretical physics 601, hk. you're going to have to break this down for me.

[ilario]

The fact that Creature can only bring himself to talk about one thing so far is wolfy.

The fact that he's clearly beenfollowing along live for a reasonable amount of time given how quickly he voted nut makes it wolfier.

The fact that it's a piece of mechanical information also makes it wolfier.

The fact that it's an obviously fake redcheck also makes it wolfier.

Yup. Also you're town.

For real though, alexa and nutella are doing nothing to dissuade my pre-game assumption that all or most of alexa/nutella/mac/alison are chosen wolves.

Let's get chopping.

Townie mindset.

Did anyone else see the part where linearpoint literally outed herself as mafia

No. Enlighten me.

You are townie for not outing it immediately though.

Atleast alison likes similar posts to me

[alexa]

i have a hard time wrapping my head around cases in early game because all my reads are micro/vibe reads but i'm trying to read it.

[Scotty]

oh yeah I forgot if there's a vig you know what to do

KZA town

[112]

Wow we really are voting out LP

I mean we're only a few hours into the day? This doesn't feel like a real contribution.

What is your read on LP? Who do you think we should be voting?

i feel like you don't really believe in the aura of this post and are going after tony just because you can?

I mean, I am a little wary of pushing a dude who might have a concussion right now, so I did kinda treat him with kids gloves on the first part of the post.

I am also going after Tony just because I can though. His post feels fake, and going after him about it will make him do AI things.

If you really scum read me, you're going to have to do better than stating reads without reasons and subtle shade on my posts. Come at me. I'm much better at telling alignments when people hardpush me, so I encourage you to bring it if you believe it.

i'm actually going to get into the game at my own pace and play it how i do

i will come back to you repeatedly throughout the game and share more for reasons, bases and axioms later in all probability

tbh though when people are insisting on going through mafia games all logico-philosophicus, things can pretty quickly turn into nonsense.

Eh... kinda feels like your shade might just be shade then.

@ me when you actually have something that will make me think things about you.

I didn't want to rip the post to pieces, I skipped doing that. It was only after being pushed to did I rip it to pieces with my logico-poilosophicus-i-ness.

seanzie trying to make me doubt my belief in my own read

high-level play, let's see if it works out

[LinearPoint]

Scotty's entrance not looking good. Not so great takes so far.

[c4e5g3d5]

Guillo's still a candidate for the most obvious town in the game and him stating an objective falsehood that requires paying special attention to one sub-facet of one player's meta in a way that could be explained by "overgeneralization" won't shift that for me.

[Creature]

Okay just realized it is significantly better for mafia to choose roles over players

[Seanzie]

I'm much better at telling alignments when people hardpush me

Hmm, doubt.
Neeko's only seen wrong answer so far.

Are you suggesting that you've hard pushed me?

Also, I don't just immediately change my reads. I don't really understand why everyone expects people to have immediately perfect reads. Reads are a process, and I personally read people best by throwing shit around in the thread for a while and seeing what sticks. Part of that shit throwing is voicing reads that either I don't fully believe in or that I believe in in a much weaker way than I let the thread feel I believe in them, because confident reads get people to do more AI things than weak reads. If you're town and you TRULY suspect me, then make a case on me. If I feel like your case is coming from town, I'll let you know. Possibly after calling you wolf like 4 times while you make the case to see how you react to it.

[112]

Scotty's entrance not looking good. Not so great takes so far.

[ilario]

Town:
Alexa
Alison
Guillo
Seanzie
112
Hollowkatt
C4
Urist
Paopan

Meh/mrrr:
Linearpoint
Sloonei

Mafia:
Creature


All others no opinion

is it normal for nutella to have so many trs this early?

[LinearPoint]

I'm much better at telling alignments when people hardpush me

Hmm, doubt.
Neeko's only seen wrong answer so far.

Are you suggesting that you've hard pushed me?

Also, I don't just immediately change my reads. I don't really understand why everyone expects people to have immediately perfect reads. Reads are a process, and I personally read people best by throwing shit around in the thread for a while and seeing what sticks. Part of that shit throwing is voicing reads that either I don't fully believe in or that I believe in in a much weaker way than I let the thread feel I believe in them, because confident reads get people to do more AI things than weak reads. If you're town and you TRULY suspect me, then make a case on me. If I feel like your case is coming from town, I'll let you know. Possibly after calling you wolf like 4 times while you make the case to see how you react to it.

Not really, no. But that matters not if you think Neeko was hard pushing you.

[112]

I'm much better at telling alignments when people hardpush me

Hmm, doubt.
Neeko's only seen wrong answer so far.

Are you suggesting that you've hard pushed me?

Also, I don't just immediately change my reads. I don't really understand why everyone expects people to have immediately perfect reads. Reads are a process, and I personally read people best by throwing shit around in the thread for a while and seeing what sticks. Part of that shit throwing is voicing reads that either I don't fully believe in or that I believe in in a much weaker way than I let the thread feel I believe in them, because confident reads get people to do more AI things than weak reads. If you're town and you TRULY suspect me, then make a case on me. If I feel like your case is coming from town, I'll let you know. Possibly after calling you wolf like 4 times while you make the case to see how you react to it.

if this is what you do, why do you expect me to write a thesis before wetting my feet in scumleaning you??

[Scotty]

I’m retired, everyone get off my lawn.

I loved you in Gran Torino

[c4e5g3d5]

I feel like I shouldn't be the one towncasing myself

Then lemme do it

Creature's strings of posts of talking to himself came off as pure and more drawn out than w!Creature would bother with

[Seanzie]

Wow we really are voting out LP

I mean we're only a few hours into the day? This doesn't feel like a real contribution.

What is your read on LP? Who do you think we should be voting?

i feel like you don't really believe in the aura of this post and are going after tony just because you can?

I mean, I am a little wary of pushing a dude who might have a concussion right now, so I did kinda treat him with kids gloves on the first part of the post.

I am also going after Tony just because I can though. His post feels fake, and going after him about it will make him do AI things.

If you really scum read me, you're going to have to do better than stating reads without reasons and subtle shade on my posts. Come at me. I'm much better at telling alignments when people hardpush me, so I encourage you to bring it if you believe it.

i'm actually going to get into the game at my own pace and play it how i do

i will come back to you repeatedly throughout the game and share more for reasons, bases and axioms later in all probability

tbh though when people are insisting on going through mafia games all logico-philosophicus, things can pretty quickly turn into nonsense.

Eh... kinda feels like your shade might just be shade then.

@ me when you actually have something that will make me think things about you.

I didn't want to rip the post to pieces, I skipped doing that. It was only after being pushed to did I rip it to pieces with my logico-poilosophicus-i-ness.

seanzie trying to make me doubt my belief in my own read

high-level play, let's see if it works out

No, I'm trying to see if you actually believe your own read.

[hollowkatt]

why is linear so hung up on alexa being N0 Rolecop specifically? At this point it feels like fishing for alexa to out what she actually is.
[VOTE: Linear] aubergine

[Seanzie]

I'm much better at telling alignments when people hardpush me

Hmm, doubt.
Neeko's only seen wrong answer so far.

Are you suggesting that you've hard pushed me?

Also, I don't just immediately change my reads. I don't really understand why everyone expects people to have immediately perfect reads. Reads are a process, and I personally read people best by throwing shit around in the thread for a while and seeing what sticks. Part of that shit throwing is voicing reads that either I don't fully believe in or that I believe in in a much weaker way than I let the thread feel I believe in them, because confident reads get people to do more AI things than weak reads. If you're town and you TRULY suspect me, then make a case on me. If I feel like your case is coming from town, I'll let you know. Possibly after calling you wolf like 4 times while you make the case to see how you react to it.

if this is what you do, why do you expect me to write a thesis before wetting my feet in scumleaning you??

Because if you write a thesis, I'll be able to read you.

[Creature]

Town:
Alexa
Alison
Guillo
Seanzie
112
Hollowkatt
C4
Urist
Paopan

Meh/mrrr:
Linearpoint
Sloonei

Mafia:
Creature


All others no opinion

is it normal for nutella to have so many trs this early?

Not sure what that means for nutella. Would be a shame if those townreads come from the assumption I'm wolf

[112]

I mean we're only a few hours into the day? This doesn't feel like a real contribution.

What is your read on LP? Who do you think we should be voting?

i feel like you don't really believe in the aura of this post and are going after tony just because you can?

I mean, I am a little wary of pushing a dude who might have a concussion right now, so I did kinda treat him with kids gloves on the first part of the post.

I am also going after Tony just because I can though. His post feels fake, and going after him about it will make him do AI things.

If you really scum read me, you're going to have to do better than stating reads without reasons and subtle shade on my posts. Come at me. I'm much better at telling alignments when people hardpush me, so I encourage you to bring it if you believe it.

i'm actually going to get into the game at my own pace and play it how i do

i will come back to you repeatedly throughout the game and share more for reasons, bases and axioms later in all probability

tbh though when people are insisting on going through mafia games all logico-philosophicus, things can pretty quickly turn into nonsense.

Eh... kinda feels like your shade might just be shade then.

@ me when you actually have something that will make me think things about you.

I didn't want to rip the post to pieces, I skipped doing that. It was only after being pushed to did I rip it to pieces with my logico-poilosophicus-i-ness.

seanzie trying to make me doubt my belief in my own read

high-level play, let's see if it works out

No, I'm trying to see if you actually believe your own read.

i assure you i am not lying when i say you are one of my top picks for scum right now

[hollowkatt]

For real though, alexa and nutella are doing nothing to dissuade my pre-game assumption that all or most of alexa/nutella/mac/alison are chosen wolves.

Let's get chopping.

nobody would choose me as a wolf lmao

What? How’s this work? Did wolves get to choose their team? Or just a few players

there is a wolf captain. Said captain could choose Roles or choose Players.

If they choose roles their team would be built through randomized like teams normally are, but then they could pick among a set of roles for themselves.
If the choose Players they get to draft from the player list their pack but their roles would be assigned randomly.

This is why some people are making posts like "if the wolf captain picked players I can't be a wolf"

I did not sign up for theoretical physics 601, hk. you're going to have to break this down for me.

bruh it's the setup. Either mafia captain picked their pack or mafia captain picked their packs roles, but they cannot pick both.

if roles were picked pack is randomized from the player list. if pack is picked roles are randomized.

[ilario]

Here is my case on Creature.

All of Creature's posts so far can be divided into one of three categories: useless fluff, attempting to derpclear himself for silly reasons, and "flame fanning".

Category 1: Useless Fluff

Spoiler: show

Why does the game always start when I'm the most low energy?

Wow this got intense so quick

Is this game by any chance bastard? I didn't check before joining

Who is Neeko?

Would much rather just be mafia in bastard games

I think you are.

I'm not mafia and this makes your push on me even more annoying

These posts go beyond the usual RVS horsing around (although we are well out of RVS now). These are posts that show a clear lack of interest in the progression of the game. His questions are flat, shallow, and in many cases could have been easily answered by glancing at the OP. He is more interested in looking like he is around and engaging with the game than actually being around and engaging with the game. He had a ripe opportunity to engage with me about my push on him, and he responded by going "I'm not mafia, I'm annoyed now, go away". I don't get the sense that he cares whether or not I am town misreading him or scum trying to get him killed, and this is especially concerning because in my last scum game I tried to get him killed early on.

I believe him when he says he is low energy. Take note that being low energy and unable to meaningfully engage with the game is a classic Creature scumtell.

Category 2: Attempting to derpclear himself for silly reasons

Spoiler: show

I want the guilty on nutella to be legit

Is soup kill a thing?

Would much rather just be mafia in bastard games

Wait I think the existence of a mafia captain should almost clear me from ever being picked as mafia this game

Unless you want to argue that I'm 3p here? But would be better to seek for the seven mafia first.

If I was mafia captain I would choose players tbh even if it is not mechanically optimal. I would much rather have an enjoyable team to play with.

I know I'd never be picked by the mafia captain if they chose players over roles

Creature makes an excessive number of posts attempting to insinuate that he is town, or in some way get people to "angleshoot" him as being town due to his lack of knowledge about the game mechanics or the inner workings of the mafia ("is there a soup kill?"). But a town Creature who genuinely wanted to know would just check the OP; asking in thread serves no purpose except to try to get people to falsely read him as town. He is aware that he struggles to gain the trust of the town when he is mafia, and he is cheaply attempting to earn this towncred through derptells and "townslips".

Take note that he is trying to convince the game repeatedly that the mafia captain chose players rather than roles. If he is town, he has no reason to believe that the mafia captain chose players over roles. I, personally, have reason to believe that the mafia captain chose roles. I think nutella is much townier than her scum self would be, and as I have argued, a town nutella implies a town Alexa. I know I am town, and I do not think a mafia captain who picked players would pass over both me and Alexa. So this attempt to convince the town - with no evidence whatsoever - that the mafia captain picked players reeks of agenda-pushing to me.

Finally, I want to highlight this line: "Unless you want to argue that I'm 3p here? But would be better to seek for the seven mafia first." Nobody has accused him of being 3P. It comes completely out of the blue, and reads almost as though he is self-aware of his own scumminess and is trying to hang a lampshade of it. I don't think it's a line that would flow naturally from a townie's mouth.

Category 3: Flame Fanning

Spoiler: show

lol if nutella is salty alexa caught her n0

lol if the alexa/nutella w/w theory is right

early take is that Seanzie is probably wolfing imo

Thought I was the only one seeing it

LinearPoint has been accused of fanning the flames. I think Creature is even more guilty of this sin. In his ISO of 19 posts (at the time I wrote this case), Creature utters provocative lines, egging on the suspicions of townies towards each other, three separate times. They are quoted in the spoilers above. Note that he first eggs on the "Alexa has a red check on nutella" narrative, then switches to "Alexa and nutella are wolves together". These narratives are contradictory. Creature does not have an opinion of his own; he just encourages whatever happens to be the prevailing opinion or thread sentiment at the time. This is strongly opportunistic, and this opportunism is exemplified even further by his agreement with 112 that Seanzie is wolfing. How is Seanzie being wolfy? Why has he not brought up this scumread on Seanzie before, if he thought he was the only one seeing it? In fact, if he thinks Seanzie is a wolf and fooling everyone except him, why would he keep quiet about it until someone else brings it up, at which point he eagerly jumps on the bandwagon? Answer: because he is nakedly taking advantage of 112's suspicion to push Seanzie.

At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

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Please vote Creature.

Damn, alison reallt is ticking all the checkboxes of how I would be playing as scum.

If you’re actually town here I think ur likely wrong on creature, dude is as easy af read and him being fluffy or whatever is not AI, in fact he’s more likely to awkwardly try and look like he’s contributing as a wolf ime

[Creature]

Setup speculating is more fun than wolf hunting

[Creature]

Setup speculating is more fun than wolf hunting

Especially when more than half the players haven't posted enough

[112]

For real though, alexa and nutella are doing nothing to dissuade my pre-game assumption that all or most of alexa/nutella/mac/alison are chosen wolves.

Let's get chopping.

nobody would choose me as a wolf lmao

What? How’s this work? Did wolves get to choose their team? Or just a few players

there is a wolf captain. Said captain could choose Roles or choose Players.

If they choose roles their team would be built through randomized like teams normally are, but then they could pick among a set of roles for themselves.
If the choose Players they get to draft from the player list their pack but their roles would be assigned randomly.

This is why some people are making posts like "if the wolf captain picked players I can't be a wolf"

I did not sign up for theoretical physics 601, hk. you're going to have to break this down for me.

bruh it's the setup. Either mafia captain picked their pack or mafia captain picked their packs roles, but they cannot pick both.

if roles were picked pack is randomized from the player list. if pack is picked roles are randomized.

[Scotty]

Guillo v

nah

guillo is v yes

Nah

Seanzie is also probably bad. Neeko joking that Falcon and Seanzie being scum really struck a nerve with Seanzie apparently so it could very well turn out to be true.

Or...

Or?

Or...

XOR?

Not-so-fun fact about the English language, spoilered for the weak of heart

Spoiler: show

or is the English word for xor

Ah

[Seanzie]

i feel like you don't really believe in the aura of this post and are going after tony just because you can?

I mean, I am a little wary of pushing a dude who might have a concussion right now, so I did kinda treat him with kids gloves on the first part of the post.

I am also going after Tony just because I can though. His post feels fake, and going after him about it will make him do AI things.

If you really scum read me, you're going to have to do better than stating reads without reasons and subtle shade on my posts. Come at me. I'm much better at telling alignments when people hardpush me, so I encourage you to bring it if you believe it.

i'm actually going to get into the game at my own pace and play it how i do

i will come back to you repeatedly throughout the game and share more for reasons, bases and axioms later in all probability

tbh though when people are insisting on going through mafia games all logico-philosophicus, things can pretty quickly turn into nonsense.

Eh... kinda feels like your shade might just be shade then.

@ me when you actually have something that will make me think things about you.

I didn't want to rip the post to pieces, I skipped doing that. It was only after being pushed to did I rip it to pieces with my logico-poilosophicus-i-ness.

seanzie trying to make me doubt my belief in my own read

high-level play, let's see if it works out

No, I'm trying to see if you actually believe your own read.

i assure you i am not lying when i say you are one of my top picks for scum right now

Guess what?

I'm not going to take your word for it, but I also don't necessarily not believe you...

[alexa]

ok uhh read through alison's stuff on creature

i think some of the things alison is casing creature for are like, not scumtells for him at all and more like "ok classically wolfy" things that don't make him a wolf/are stuff i've seen pretty consistently from pressure. so yeah, i don't agree but i won't put him in my towncore rn out of respect for her as i do believe she is a villager. i think the way she's framing/arguing the case is villagery for her, like the "i think a mafia captain picked roles, i don't think a mafia captain would pass over me and alexa" part. registers at least as mindmeldy because i felt a little bad seeing people say there was a captain, that i wasn't picked (even though i wouldn't have really wanted to mafia this game still), but then i saw it could be roles and it made me feel a bit better and yeah.

Town:
Alison
c4e5g3d5
falcon45ca
hollowkatt
ilario
TonyStarkPrime
Urist

~nutella probably

Mafia:
Sloonei (this is gut based on his opening)
LinearPoint