GAME OF CHAMPIONS 2021 Endgame (town and 3p win)

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: P&G] aubergine

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I don't get the Belzy townreads

She derped. And it looked like a genuine derp in the moment. I haven't gone back to recheck it. I think she's probably towny in other ways, but tbh I just assumed the derp was real.

If someone can explain the Derp/scum slip and the resolution that would be great since just form this Belzy doesn’t look great

[TonyStarkPrime]

jpic who are you shielding again

[DrWilgy]

I’m gonna bury this post here because we’re not supposed to talk about this anymore but I want to because it actually touched a slight moral nerve when I was reading over it. No one actually bother to read this please, it’s just me grumbling.

Spoiler: show

Seriously don’t bother, it’s nothing new I’m adding.

Spoiler: show

Alexa did nothing wrong, and I feel like she was being mildly gaslit by NAA and maybe one or two others. Like it was a supposed *red check* and she had a shot – doesn’t matter that NAA said ‘but let’s wait till D2’ or whatever, no one was expecting a weird role like he’s now implied, and I would’ve done the exact same as Alexa, and I think many people would’ve. And saying things like ‘I take no responsibility’ ahead of time does not magically absolve you of responsibility.

I feel like people were trying to apportion blame ‘fairly’ and…no. I don’t want to say this is all NAA’s fault in the sense he’s anti-town, because by now it’s clear why he did what he did and there’s a logic to it. But it was frustrating me to backread the blame Alexa was getting when it was, IMO, very clearly undeserved.

I chalk it up to emotions running high from all parties and have no ill feelings of my own towards anyone, but I was reading over it on my breaks at work and getting annoyed, so I kinda wanted to post this for Alexa’s sake.

Anyway don’t @ me to reopen this can.

Actually, you're probably fine.

I’m gonna bury this post here because we’re not supposed to talk about this anymore but I want to because it actually touched a slight moral nerve when I was reading over it. No one actually bother to read this please, it’s just me grumbling.

Spoiler: show

Seriously don’t bother, it’s nothing new I’m adding.

Spoiler: show

Alexa did nothing wrong, and I feel like she was being mildly gaslit by NAA and maybe one or two others. Like it was a supposed *red check* and she had a shot – doesn’t matter that NAA said ‘but let’s wait till D2’ or whatever, no one was expecting a weird role like he’s now implied, and I would’ve done the exact same as Alexa, and I think many people would’ve. And saying things like ‘I take no responsibility’ ahead of time does not magically absolve you of responsibility.

I feel like people were trying to apportion blame ‘fairly’ and…no. I don’t want to say this is all NAA’s fault in the sense he’s anti-town, because by now it’s clear why he did what he did and there’s a logic to it. But it was frustrating me to backread the blame Alexa was getting when it was, IMO, very clearly undeserved.

I chalk it up to emotions running high from all parties and have no ill feelings of my own towards anyone, but I was reading over it on my breaks at work and getting annoyed, so I kinda wanted to post this for Alexa’s sake.

Anyway don’t @ me to reopen this can.

This is wolfy

hmmmmmmmmmmm

I don't know if MR does all that as mafia, it's like icky fake comforting? But actually, it's probably nothing or not really AI.

I think it's an easy wolf post if Alexa is town.

Also the Dizzy Woogy cross post on MR.

Nice. [VOTE: MR] aubergine

[TonyStarkPrime]

I don't get the Belzy townreads

She derped. And it looked like a genuine derp in the moment. I haven't gone back to recheck it. I think she's probably towny in other ways, but tbh I just assumed the derp was real.

If someone can explain the Derp/scum slip and the resolution that would be great since just form this Belzy doesn’t look great

belzy is town for other reasons and tbh we're probably at the point where belzy dies some time later in the night so there's no use wasting effort on it

[dyachei]

guillo, i think your wolf equity went up with dizzy's death, that's why I'm voting you

I'm probably not gonna be on much because I have to perform emergency surgery on a dog ASAP

[Justplayingitcool]

The list is pretty towny in general, so there weren't a lot of options. I think nutella is gaining scum equity but really probably can't have leveled up her game this much, Mac has standard townie energy, Dya shot a wolf, Belzy has mech. I'm not sure if I agree with your read that wolves are definitely on your wagon but to the extent that there might be wolves there they're almost certainly in these two names

remember that one hydra game

do you think it's the opposite of this

I seem to recall us having a convo in the hydra game when we were debating nutella's slot being scum because of level up, and then we lost. Maybe it's the same here but idk gut still says town

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I don't get the Belzy townreads

She derped. And it looked like a genuine derp in the moment. I haven't gone back to recheck it. I think she's probably towny in other ways, but tbh I just assumed the derp was real.

If someone can explain the Derp/scum slip and the resolution that would be great since just form this Belzy doesn’t look great

belzy is town for other reasons and tbh we're probably at the point where belzy dies some time later in the night so there's no use wasting effort on it

I’ll take your word for it even though you could be mafia.

[Justplayingitcool]

jpic who are you shielding again

Creature

and maybe c4. possibly belzy too. I'll forgive their vote on me

[Guillotine]

The list is pretty towny in general, so there weren't a lot of options. I think nutella is gaining scum equity but really probably can't have leveled up her game this much, Mac has standard townie energy, Dya shot a wolf, Belzy has mech. I'm not sure if I agree with your read that wolves are definitely on your wagon but to the extent that there might be wolves there they're almost certainly in these two names

If there are no wolves on my wagon, why do you think my wagon is getting traction?

I think you haven't entirely grokked that everyone has 8 votes and so having 6 votes on you is about the equivalent of having like one vote on you normally. The interactions with Dizzy look bad enough for you that some townies are throwing a vote there without thinking much about it. there's also some bs about alexa that I didn't understand

that said, I'll say that I find it somewhat unlikely that there are /no/ wolves on your wagon

From my point of view, Dizzy shaded my suspicion on Nutella/Alexa it was day 1 and it was a committed post to make for day 1, so there is definitely a wolf in nutella/alexa. Dizzy also knows that i can read him based on interactions with him, so he threw a townread at me to get me to take my my guard down because the last game we played here, he did the same, i pushed them for it and they flipped town.

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Also just wondering have we discussed or discounted the idea of Miller roles?

Like do we really have this many dead townies or could some be mafia

[DrWilgy]

Also I'm still lunch candidate Numero uno I see. Why is that?

[TonyStarkPrime]

worth noting that dizzy's vote was on three of the four top wagons rn

don't know if dizzy does that normally if multiple of those are wolves

[Justplayingitcool]

Also just wondering have we discussed or discounted the idea of Miller roles?

Like do we really have this many dead townies or could some be mafia

Doubt the flips are fake

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Also I'm still lunch candidate Numero uno I see. Why is that?

Since you’re not posting enough

[TonyStarkPrime]

jpic who are you shielding again

Creature

and maybe c4. possibly belzy too. I'll forgive their vote on me

ok got it i will believe you and make fun of you when they all flip wolves

[Justplayingitcool]

Also I'm still lunch candidate Numero uno I see. Why is that?

because you're probs town

[falcon45ca]

I’m gonna bury this post here because we’re not supposed to talk about this anymore but I want to because it actually touched a slight moral nerve when I was reading over it. No one actually bother to read this please, it’s just me grumbling.

Spoiler: show

Seriously don’t bother, it’s nothing new I’m adding.

Spoiler: show

Alexa did nothing wrong, and I feel like she was being mildly gaslit by NAA and maybe one or two others. Like it was a supposed *red check* and she had a shot – doesn’t matter that NAA said ‘but let’s wait till D2’ or whatever, no one was expecting a weird role like he’s now implied, and I would’ve done the exact same as Alexa, and I think many people would’ve. And saying things like ‘I take no responsibility’ ahead of time does not magically absolve you of responsibility.

I feel like people were trying to apportion blame ‘fairly’ and…no. I don’t want to say this is all NAA’s fault in the sense he’s anti-town, because by now it’s clear why he did what he did and there’s a logic to it. But it was frustrating me to backread the blame Alexa was getting when it was, IMO, very clearly undeserved.

I chalk it up to emotions running high from all parties and have no ill feelings of my own towards anyone, but I was reading over it on my breaks at work and getting annoyed, so I kinda wanted to post this for Alexa’s sake.

Anyway don’t @ me to reopen this can.

Actually, you're probably fine.

I’m gonna bury this post here because we’re not supposed to talk about this anymore but I want to because it actually touched a slight moral nerve when I was reading over it. No one actually bother to read this please, it’s just me grumbling.

Spoiler: show

Seriously don’t bother, it’s nothing new I’m adding.

Spoiler: show

Alexa did nothing wrong, and I feel like she was being mildly gaslit by NAA and maybe one or two others. Like it was a supposed *red check* and she had a shot – doesn’t matter that NAA said ‘but let’s wait till D2’ or whatever, no one was expecting a weird role like he’s now implied, and I would’ve done the exact same as Alexa, and I think many people would’ve. And saying things like ‘I take no responsibility’ ahead of time does not magically absolve you of responsibility.

I feel like people were trying to apportion blame ‘fairly’ and…no. I don’t want to say this is all NAA’s fault in the sense he’s anti-town, because by now it’s clear why he did what he did and there’s a logic to it. But it was frustrating me to backread the blame Alexa was getting when it was, IMO, very clearly undeserved.

I chalk it up to emotions running high from all parties and have no ill feelings of my own towards anyone, but I was reading over it on my breaks at work and getting annoyed, so I kinda wanted to post this for Alexa’s sake.

Anyway don’t @ me to reopen this can.

This is wolfy

hmmmmmmmmmmm

I don't know if MR does all that as mafia, it's like icky fake comforting? But actually, it's probably nothing or not really AI.

I think it's an easy wolf post if Alexa is town.

Also the Dizzy Woogy cross post on MR.

Nice. [VOTE: MR] aubergine

Highly doubt MR is Maf. Meta claim on MR being town

[Guillotine]

Derps can be faked, i intentionally and fully knowingly derp as both alignments to try to clear myself, more as town because why not, im town.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: UNVOTe wilgy, vote c4] aubergine

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worth noting that dizzy's vote was on three of the four top wagons rn

don't know if dizzy does that normally if multiple of those are wolves

If scum set up a hard line between players they’re voting there otherwise they’ve got enough vote power right now to vote as a unit and swing the entire situation so it’s all Civs in the second phase of voting.

Just based off this I’d say we’re way off and shouldn’t be going for anyone Dizzy voted on who’s leading, look at the Dizzy votes that have no supports as potential teammates and find new people

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So

Wilgy
Papopa
Sig
Sabie

Maybe TSP

Shouldn’t be chopped/moved to next round.

[DrWilgy]

Also I'm still lunch candidate Numero uno I see. Why is that?

Since you’re not posting enough

I've posted quite abit. I feel that people are eager to go "eh, wolf" on me.

Not that I'm opposed to that, but I do think it's in towns best interest to put in more effort on my assessment. I suppose that's the only reason I raise this.

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Also why does it seem like the most mislynched/not active players are being moved on that’s just silly

[falcon45ca]

So

Wilgy
Papopa
Sig
Sabie

Maybe TSP

Shouldn’t be chopped/moved to next round.

I have a nagging feeling that Dizzy had 1 teammate in the top wagons. He would want some town cred for a Maf flip

[sig]

Also I'm still lunch candidate Numero uno I see. Why is that?

Since you’re not posting enough

I've posted quite abit. I feel that people are eager to go "eh, wolf" on me.

Not that I'm opposed to that, but I do think it's in towns best interest to put in more effort on my assessment. I suppose that's the only reason I raise this.

Oh really?

Also you missed the joke see since I’ve got like 8 posts and I said you weren’t posting enough. ;(

My humor is lost amongst a sea of seriousness and a tsunami of posts

[TonyStarkPrime]

i sorta agree with sig on this one

[DrWilgy]

I’m gonna bury this post here because we’re not supposed to talk about this anymore but I want to because it actually touched a slight moral nerve when I was reading over it. No one actually bother to read this please, it’s just me grumbling.

Spoiler: show

Seriously don’t bother, it’s nothing new I’m adding.

Spoiler: show

Alexa did nothing wrong, and I feel like she was being mildly gaslit by NAA and maybe one or two others. Like it was a supposed *red check* and she had a shot – doesn’t matter that NAA said ‘but let’s wait till D2’ or whatever, no one was expecting a weird role like he’s now implied, and I would’ve done the exact same as Alexa, and I think many people would’ve. And saying things like ‘I take no responsibility’ ahead of time does not magically absolve you of responsibility.

I feel like people were trying to apportion blame ‘fairly’ and…no. I don’t want to say this is all NAA’s fault in the sense he’s anti-town, because by now it’s clear why he did what he did and there’s a logic to it. But it was frustrating me to backread the blame Alexa was getting when it was, IMO, very clearly undeserved.

I chalk it up to emotions running high from all parties and have no ill feelings of my own towards anyone, but I was reading over it on my breaks at work and getting annoyed, so I kinda wanted to post this for Alexa’s sake.

Anyway don’t @ me to reopen this can.

Actually, you're probably fine.

I’m gonna bury this post here because we’re not supposed to talk about this anymore but I want to because it actually touched a slight moral nerve when I was reading over it. No one actually bother to read this please, it’s just me grumbling.

Spoiler: show

Seriously don’t bother, it’s nothing new I’m adding.

Spoiler: show

Alexa did nothing wrong, and I feel like she was being mildly gaslit by NAA and maybe one or two others. Like it was a supposed *red check* and she had a shot – doesn’t matter that NAA said ‘but let’s wait till D2’ or whatever, no one was expecting a weird role like he’s now implied, and I would’ve done the exact same as Alexa, and I think many people would’ve. And saying things like ‘I take no responsibility’ ahead of time does not magically absolve you of responsibility.

I feel like people were trying to apportion blame ‘fairly’ and…no. I don’t want to say this is all NAA’s fault in the sense he’s anti-town, because by now it’s clear why he did what he did and there’s a logic to it. But it was frustrating me to backread the blame Alexa was getting when it was, IMO, very clearly undeserved.

I chalk it up to emotions running high from all parties and have no ill feelings of my own towards anyone, but I was reading over it on my breaks at work and getting annoyed, so I kinda wanted to post this for Alexa’s sake.

Anyway don’t @ me to reopen this can.

This is wolfy

hmmmmmmmmmmm

I don't know if MR does all that as mafia, it's like icky fake comforting? But actually, it's probably nothing or not really AI.

I think it's an easy wolf post if Alexa is town.

Also the Dizzy Woogy cross post on MR.

Nice. [VOTE: MR] aubergine

Highly doubt MR is Maf. Meta claim on MR being town

Hmm...

Aye, but I think I've seen MR play like this as both town and wolf. So at least there's nothing discernable to me.

What is the key difference that I haven't seen yet.

[Justplayingitcool]

jpic who are you shielding again

Creature

and maybe c4. possibly belzy too. I'll forgive their vote on me

ok got it i will believe you and make fun of you when they all flip wolves

Wouldn’t be the first time i make a fool of myself in a mafia game

[TonyStarkPrime]

Also why does it seem like the most mislynched/not active players are being moved on that’s just silly

everyone has 8 votes and half the votes go for the top people and half the votes go for randos and then the top people and up being the quiet people because everyone suspects different randos

[DrWilgy]

Also I'm still lunch candidate Numero uno I see. Why is that?

Since you’re not posting enough

I've posted quite abit. I feel that people are eager to go "eh, wolf" on me.

Not that I'm opposed to that, but I do think it's in towns best interest to put in more effort on my assessment. I suppose that's the only reason I raise this.

Oh really?

Also you missed the joke see since I’ve got like 8 posts and I said you weren’t posting enough. ;(

My humor is lost amongst a sea of seriousness and a tsunami of posts

Sorry Sig. I'm sleepy. You'll get me with the next one.

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So

Wilgy
Papopa
Sig
Sabie

Maybe TSP

Shouldn’t be chopped/moved to next round.

I have a nagging feeling that Dizzy had 1 teammate in the top wagons. He would want some town cred for a Maf flip

Numerically I guess could see one, since again if only one mafia moves into a round of 8 with 4 dead they can still save them.

It just kinda seems like with my limited reading that people are being very like disengaged almost when it comes to the fact we could loose four civs soon

[TonyStarkPrime]

it's somewhat a question of who was a viable wagon when dizzy voted too, it's close to impossible to place (close to) 8 votes without hitting a scum buddy

[TonyStarkPrime]

unvoting wilgy

[falcon45ca]

Actually, you're probably fine.

This is wolfy

hmmmmmmmmmmm

I don't know if MR does all that as mafia, it's like icky fake comforting? But actually, it's probably nothing or not really AI.

I think it's an easy wolf post if Alexa is town.

Also the Dizzy Woogy cross post on MR.

Nice. [VOTE: MR] aubergine

Highly doubt MR is Maf. Meta claim on MR being town

Hmm...

Aye, but I think I've seen MR play like this as both town and wolf. So at least there's nothing discernable to me.

What is the key difference that I haven't seen yet.

It's his tone and earnestness. It's hard to describe exactly, but I'll be shocked if he's Maf

[Guillotine]

So

Wilgy
Papopa
Sig
Sabie

Maybe TSP

Shouldn’t be chopped/moved to next round.

Why post your name there? It is implied that you'd consider yourself not choppable no?

[DrWilgy]

So

Wilgy
Papopa
Sig
Sabie

Maybe TSP

Shouldn’t be chopped/moved to next round.

I'd be abit hard pressed to move off Pao or Sabie.

I'm feeling better on TSP for some reason since Dizzy flip.

[TonyStarkPrime]

today's a good day to kill mac and nutella and alexa and sloonei and flip four wolves if wolves chose people and not roles

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Also why does it seem like the most mislynched/not active players are being moved on that’s just silly

everyone has 8 votes and half the votes go for the top people and half the votes go for randos and then the top people and up being the quiet people because everyone suspects different randos

Ah okay as long as the plans not to vote off the quiet people I’m more okay with that, but it just seems to easy to say once we get to the 8. “Let’s just get rid of the never posters/wall flowers”

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So

Wilgy
Papopa
Sig
Sabie

Maybe TSP

Shouldn’t be chopped/moved to next round.

Why post your name there? It is implied that you'd consider yourself not choppable no?

I listed the players with top votes who dizzy votes for. Better to list myself by name then say me imo

[Guillotine]

it's somewhat a question of who was a viable wagon when dizzy voted too, it's close to impossible to place (close to) 8 votes without hitting a scum buddy

Maybe that is how i can contribute to this game, identifying who could be scum in those 8 or if they all are spewed town by Dizzy.

[Guillotine]

it's somewhat a question of who was a viable wagon when dizzy voted too, it's close to impossible to place (close to) 8 votes without hitting a scum buddy

Maybe that is how i can contribute to this game, identifying who could be scum in those 8 or if they all are spewed town by Dizzy.

I can work with a narrowed down list

[falcon45ca]

So

Wilgy
Papopa
Sig
Sabie

Maybe TSP

Shouldn’t be chopped/moved to next round.

I have a nagging feeling that Dizzy had 1 teammate in the top wagons. He would want some town cred for a Maf flip

Numerically I guess could see one, since again if only one mafia moves into a round of 8 with 4 dead they can still save them.

It just kinda seems like with my limited reading that people are being very like disengaged almost when it comes to the fact we could loose four civs soon

I don't disagree. Imma take a closer look at the top wagons and see what I can see

[TonyStarkPrime]

it's somewhat a question of who was a viable wagon when dizzy voted too, it's close to impossible to place (close to) 8 votes without hitting a scum buddy

Maybe that is how i can contribute to this game, identifying who could be scum in those 8 or if they all are spewed town by Dizzy.

ok go for it, dizzy's final votes are still up in the poll

[falcon45ca]

today's a good day to kill mac and nutella and alexa and sloonei and flip four wolves if wolves chose people and not roles

Mac needs far more attention IMO

[Creature]

zzzzzzz

[Guillotine]

today's a good day to kill mac and nutella and alexa and sloonei and flip four wolves if wolves chose people and not roles

Given it is a champions game and how close you are as a community, im certain the captain chose people. I would not have passed that opportunity up to build my dream scum team.

[Guillotine]

If i was a wolf, my team would be really obvious.

[falcon45ca]

Yeah, of the top wagons Imma say Sabie is Dizzy's partner.



Why is Porscha getting no attention?

[Justplayingitcool]

i just doubt it's as simple as the captain picking the strongest scum players