GAME OF CHAMPIONS 2021 Endgame (town and 3p win)

[Creature]

TBH, I'm fine w/ Pao or Creature this RD



If players feel strongly over one than the other, let me know why plz

So either someone who I feel could be telling the truth about being protective or someone I am sure is town

[falcon45ca]

Btw when will falcon reveal his guilty?

I assumed he doesn't have one because he shot mac

Dayphase would've been a lot better if he did

I've hit Maf w/ 2 of 3 actions.



I'm not Superman, I can only do so much

[falcon45ca]

TBH, I'm fine w/ Pao or Creature this RD



If players feel strongly over one than the other, let me know why plz

So either someone who I feel could be telling the truth about being protective or someone I am sure is town

I'll always listen to other ideas & assess them on their own merit.



Whatcha got?

[LinearPoint]

I thought this too but then I also feel like what's the point of a mafia publicly trying to out roles when they could keep that info to themselves while having town feel more relaxed to have a more surprise soup? it almost read as town as much as I hated it

Because it makes us all say "oh, alexa is the town role clop, let's clear her and move on with the game."

she was already pocketing me and belzy early what's the point

Let’s say she’s mafia.
Okay let’s say she didn’t out it.
Suddenly in the night you both get mysterious soup killed meanwhile she’s still alive. People are gonna wonder why the outed role cop is alive but you both died.

That’s no longer a problem now that ur role is outed.

thank you for the perspective I see your skepticism and I'm not beyond seeing alexa as a deep wolf but if she's maf then did she lie about getting shot n2? and what about LP giving her vest?

Yea I think she lied to look clear. Lp giving her a vest I think is true regardless of their alignment.

So basically Mafia got roleblocked while killing or hit who Paopan protected and Alexa just claimed the vest got shot? That is possible though Mafia wouldn’t know how their shot was stopped and with vests telling the person who got shot Mafia risking claiming they got shot would basically just tell whoever them shot they are Mafia. Seems a bit reckless.

Also not quoting it, but since you asked. Neeko read Fallout Mafia setup when HK flipped. Though she dismissed the possibility of Vortis being in the game until there was a poison.

[Creature]

I don't even know. Sloonei is very likely wolf in the world alexa is town but could be town in the world alexa is wolf.

[Creature]

DrWilgy has been a headscratcher for days.

[Sloonei]

This is too silly for me. I’m out. I’m contemplating claiming right now because the silliness is too strong.

I’ll come back later. Please at least try to entertain a world where alexa is mafia. She is flipping today regardless. And I think that Creeature makes a lot of sense as a teammate of Mac/Tsp anyway. So please look into him as well.

have you dropped your sabie read or is that still around? No need to claim

I do not think sabie and alexa would be teammates. But it’s not 100% impossible.

I thought sabie’s response to the pressure she faced out of the gate this phase looked like overwhelmed town.

[Sloonei]

I made tea and have calmed down. I’m a british grandma.

[falcon45ca]

I don't even know. Sloonei is very likely wolf in the world alexa is town but could be town in the world alexa is wolf.

By this logic, you shouldn't care about Sloon this RD, as we have alexas flip on the horizon

[Sloonei]

DrWilgy has been a headscratcher for days years.

Fixed

[falcon45ca]

I made tea and have calmed down. I’m a british grandma.

Time for Coronation Street boyos

[falcon45ca]

DrWilgy has been a headscratcher for days.

From what I know of Wilgy, that's NAI

[Justplayingitcool]

I made tea and have calmed down. I’m a british grandma.

Make sure to have chocolate biscuits as well

[Creature]

I don't even know. Sloonei is very likely wolf in the world alexa is town but could be town in the world alexa is wolf.

By this logic, you shouldn't care about Sloon this RD, as we have alexas flip on the horizon

That would then leave Paopan and DrWilgy as my lynch options. I think Paopan's protective thing seemed sincere.

[Sloonei]

Would it he dangerous to ask @Paopan who he has targeted?

[Creature]

Would it he dangerous to ask @Paopan who he has targeted?

I am curious about that

[Creature]

I was on falcon this night. But okay

Guess I'm the better vote than Sabie

[falcon45ca]

Would it he dangerous to ask @Paopan who he has targeted?

He said me last RD, but honestly it's like the easiest fake claim for a Maf to make

[falcon45ca]

I was on falcon this night. But okay

Guess I'm the better vote than Sabie

What feels sincere to you about this?

[Creature]

Would it he dangerous to ask @Paopan who he has targeted?

He said me last RD, but honestly it's like the easiest fake claim for a Maf to make

Maybe N2 would be an interesting tell?

[Creature]

I was on falcon this night. But okay

Guess I'm the better vote than Sabie

What feels sincere to you about this?

Not this post specifically but the way they keep insisting they're protective

[Sloonei]

Would it he dangerous to ask @Paopan who he has targeted?

He said me last RD, but honestly it's like the easiest fake claim for a Maf to make

Which night did he claim to protect you? Night 2 or Night 3?

[sabie12]

I don't even know. Sloonei is very likely wolf in the world alexa is town but could be town in the world alexa is wolf.

By this logic, you shouldn't care about Sloon this RD, as we have alexas flip on the horizon

That would then leave Paopan and DrWilgy as my lynch options. I think Paopan's protective thing seemed sincere.

Two things about paopans protective claim that make it less sincere 1 is that he tried to make the point that mafia never would have chosen a protective role which why wouldn't they in a game like this? And 2 it also could be a way to try to get someone to counter claim and open them up for soup. I don't know I feel like he intentionally is playing all over the place to make it hard to read.

[sabie12]

I’m trying to conceive of the mastermind of a wolf team filled with the people who seem just out of reach — Paopan, Wilgy, maybe JPIC? Wolves ought to be more likely here. Not sure what would make that machine function.

Yeah... I might be scum but what are you going to do about it?
Will the question is...
Will they kill me tonight after claiming a protective role or would mafia risk having me alive for being a LHF?
Now, choose your poison:

As town, here is my defense:
- Mafia Capt most probably hand-picked the players
- If Mafia Capt randomed, I am also cleared because they can choose from a pool of roles. So why would I choose a protective role as Mafia? I have big balls of steel

Today, Here's how we should proceed
Lynch -> HK, Sabie, Sig, and DrWigly/112

Deep wolves are probably between Belzy, Ilario, or alexa

Feels like an old crank. But here we go. See u all on day 3 ^^

This post here is where he said that.

[Creature]

Could Paopan and LinearPoint be direct counterclaims to each other?

[Justplayingitcool]

I have not understood Pao's thoughts the entire game. It felt like his reads changed drastically every few seconds

[Creature]

I have not understood Pao's thoughts the entire game. It felt like his reads changed drastically every few seconds

Still feels like more of a playstyle thing.

[Creature]

I think I would've liked if Paopan was resolved last night. I think DrWilgy probably should be resplved too. Sloonei is more dependent on what alexa flips.

[Belzy]

[VOTE: phil and gloria] aubergine

Dizzy’s treatment of them is highly unlikely to be that of a teammate. Spritmac is town.

Qfr

[Belzy]

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

[alexa]

I think I would've liked if Paopan was resolved last night. I think DrWilgy probably should be resplved too. Sloonei is more dependent on what alexa flips.

Spoiler Alert: It will be town




I'm really frustrated with illario for how he's acting toward me and kind of hurt that he doesn't think I can play this way as town, but I'm doing my best to pull myself together regardless. Please kill him tomorrow, do not reconsider on this regard. He is probably real 3P but his play is losing us the game/detrimental to town and he's clearly scumsiding fairly hard, i think he's lying about his wincon because v!him or him playing like a villager would NEVER, EVER scumread me him


Read the way he turns on his read on me from yesterday coming into today, it doesn't make sense


He could just be a wolf but his play would be suicidal then

If I'm a wolf and he's not lying then he just dies today so you don't need to consider that scenario, but I promise you I'm town and we might be completely fucked due to 3P

[Belzy]

[VOTE: paopan] aubergine because I'm not a fan of their current pop-in. We are chopping TSP today, so this vote is just for emphasis.

@Paopan here is my POE list of potential wolves, modified just for you!

Creature
DrWilgy
Justplayingitcool
LinearPoint
Paopan Sloonei
Phil and Gloria
sabie12

Who is the most town player on this list? Are there any names you think should be added to the list?

Qfr

[Sloonei]

@alexa why did you rolecop belzy?

[Creature]

I think I would've liked if Paopan was resolved last night. I think DrWilgy probably should be resplved too. Sloonei is more dependent on what alexa flips.

Spoiler Alert: It will be town




I'm really frustrated with illario for how he's acting toward me and kind of hurt that he doesn't think I can play this way as town, but I'm doing my best to pull myself together regardless. Please kill him tomorrow, do not reconsider on this regard. He is probably real 3P but his play is losing us the game/detrimental to town and he's clearly scumsiding fairly hard, i think he's lying about his wincon because v!him or him playing like a villager would NEVER, EVER scumread me him


Read the way he turns on his read on me from yesterday coming into today, it doesn't make sense


He could just be a wolf but his play would be suicidal then

If I'm a wolf and he's not lying then he just dies today so you don't need to consider that scenario, but I promise you I'm town and we might be completely fucked due to 3P

Okay if you're town I'll need guidance to get today's lynch right.

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: paopan] aubergine because I'm not a fan of their current pop-in. We are chopping TSP today, so this vote is just for emphasis.

@Paopan here is my POE list of potential wolves, modified just for you!

Creature
DrWilgy
Justplayingitcool
LinearPoint
Paopan Sloonei
Phil and Gloria
sabie12

Who is the most town player on this list? Are there any names you think should be added to the list?

Qfr

I do not kmow what these letters mean and these posts are counterproductive.

[alexa]

@alexa why did you rolecop belzy?

I didn't rolecop Belzy. I rolecopped Porscha

because it would clear (or condemn) 2 people if I got information there. And after all the villager flips, I reset a lot of my reads and that felt like something extremely useful

[Belzy]

[VOTE: c4] aubergine
[VOTE: guillotine] aubergine
[VOTE: hollowkatt] aubergine
[VOTE: sabie] aubergine

Not really available to talk a lot today. These are my four votes to start off the second phase of this phase.

I owe TSP more scrutiny if I find the time.

Qfr

Later unvoted c4, voted sig

Later voted 112

[Belzy]

[VOTE: paopan] aubergine because I'm not a fan of their current pop-in. We are chopping TSP today, so this vote is just for emphasis.

@Paopan here is my POE list of potential wolves, modified just for you!

Creature
DrWilgy
Justplayingitcool
LinearPoint
Paopan Sloonei
Phil and Gloria
sabie12

Who is the most town player on this list? Are there any names you think should be added to the list?

Qfr

I do not kmow what these letters mean and these posts are counterproductive.

It means Quoted for reference. And don't call something you don't know the meaning of counterproductive. Talking about counterproductive.

[LinearPoint]

I’m 3p, I’m hks partner. We have two wincons. First wincon is kill two wolves. If we kill two wolves, we achieve our wincon, get removed from the game and game continues as it normally would. Second wincon: we survive all the way to the end (just one of us is fine) and we win with whoever is alive. So yeah, we can win by winning with town and eliminating all the wolves. So there’s heavy incentive for us to townside which is why we have. I used hks day vig on dizzy so we already got 1 of our kills. If Alexa is mafia then I get my second and I leave the game if she flips mafia.

As for my abilities, everything lp outed today is….correct. So correct that I wonder if it’s coming from tmi. They perfectly guessed my characters name and some of their abilities. Which are: twice a game I can make myself untargetable to any night actions. I think the night alexa claimed her vest to be popped was the night wolves tried to kill me. That day before eod, I made a post saying tsp was probably a wolf and mac even noticed it and commented on it. I killed dizzy that day. I was pushing mac. And fossed alexa. I’ve been n1d 3 of my last games in a row (excluding didney world). Im a hot commodity for wolves to nk, so yes I do strongly believe wolves had a lot of reason to want me dead.

Start of today Alexa has a sudden epiphany that 3p isn’t eliminated. My guess is she didn’t discuss this in the chat with belzy and pao? Wanna know why? Probably because she didn’t know until sod because she used her rc on me. Why would town alexa rc me if she’s convinced I’m town? Or belzy on d2? It’s because she’s wolf and is trying to rc people mafia can’t push to get misyeeted.

And yeah I know what y’all are gonna say 3p is bad and shouldn’t be trusted, but if I was an evil aligned 3p I have no reason to play this way. I wasn’t being sussed by anyone, I can just keep living off the towncred from dizzy and achieve my wincon if it was an evil one. I wouldn’t invest this much into solving when I’m already in a good spot. So why would I as 3p care so much about townsiding? Because I’m a petty ass bitch and I think wolves chose players so I wanna bury the entire team for not choosing me lol, that’s pmuch it.

OK, good to know Neeko wasn't wrong.
For the record Neeko was pretty sure Vortis was anti-Town since Fallout Mafia their wincon was to kill all of Town or all of Mafia with less than 20% of the surviving faction remaining and they won alone.
If you're not lying though and correct about Alexa then you will leave at the end of the day though and wont be an issue.
Neeko did think it was strange that HK never used his dayvig and thought Gullio might have been right about a 3rd party faction team, but Neeko thought that Scotty was shot by HK since that shot was unclaimed and since Fallout Mafia only had 1 slaver she figured he was the only one.
When MR died and flipped dayvig and Alexa also got poisoned she realized that one of ilario and Dya must have taken credit for HK's dayvig and wasn't sure which so she posted what she found when trying to figure out HK's win condition and left it at that until ilario mentioned suspecting Alexa which made ilario poisoning Alexa make sense. Neeko didn't feel like outing ilario immediately though since if Neeko was right and both HK and Ilario had the same win condition as in Fallout Mafia ilario would not be a threat until 1 Mafia remained and with Vortis only having poison even if Vortis poisoned Neeko she could still relay the information about ilario's wincon that she found.
Of course Nanook seems to have changed the wincon to kill 2 Mafia which with just HK made no sense since 2 vigilante shots is a hard wincon, but if ilario also had 2 poisons then that makes some sense.

[Belzy]

Sloonei is more likely mafia than Paopon, and they might not be teamed.

[Sloonei]

Urge to claim rising. I have mech which can confirm me as town.

[alexa]

I already explained everything about her

She’s just a wolf

Why’d she clear Belzy and Porscha?

She didn’t, she outed their roles to be soup killed

There was no reason for her to even role cop Betsy if she’s town, alexa was heavily townreading the slot on d2, why would she rc that slot if she trs them? Betsy was in no pressure to be voted out yesterday either because tsp was red checked so again it makes no sense for her to out the roles. I spent an hour trying to get her to hc her role and she insisted it’s a bad idea but then outta the blue she just decides to claim her own role AND two others? Like cmon man

That doesn't make sense. For one I rolecopped Porscha and not Belzy, there was not 100% proof that Porscha was lock clear, Belzy just claimed they had mechanical information on Porscha. There were 3 V flips and I realized I was wrong in some of my reads, so if I could confidently clear them, that felt useful to me.


What TF is my scum motive in that last part? I clearly did it impulsively dude.

[Creature]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

[Belzy]

Urge to claim rising. I have mech which can confirm me as town.

You defended both Dizzy and Mac. Called them town, for one simple little reason, never voted them... you vote a lot of townie, and spared Tsp while making a weird scrunity post. You have protected literally every known mafia player.

[Belzy]

Sloonei is more likely mafia than Paopon, and they might not be teamed.

But they could be. Sloonei has been Paopan afterall rn rh.

[Sloonei]

Urge to claim rising. I have mech which can confirm me as town.

You defended both Dizzy and Mac. Called them town, for one simple little reason, never voted them... you vote a lot of townie, and spared Tsp while making a weird scrunity post. You have protected literally every known mafia player.

I never defended Dizzy. Dizzy was dead before I was really involved with the game. Marmot too.

I did think Mac was town for a while. So did everyone else.

I still have mech which can confirm me as town.

[Belzy]

Sloonei is more likely mafia than Paopon, and they might not be teamed.

But they could be. Sloonei has been Paopan afterall rn rh.

Has been defending* Paopan

[Sloonei]

@Belzy can you attempt to entertain a world where I am town please? Consider it a mental exercise.

[Belzy]

Urge to claim rising. I have mech which can confirm me as town.

You defended both Dizzy and Mac. Called them town, for one simple little reason, never voted them... you vote a lot of townie, and spared Tsp while making a weird scrunity post. You have protected literally every known mafia player.

I never defended Dizzy. Dizzy was dead before I was really involved with the game. Marmot too.

I did think Mac was town for a while. So did everyone else.

I still have mech which can confirm me as town.

Not everyone thought Mac was town.

And you did. See qfr

[Sloonei]

Sloonei is more likely mafia than Paopon, and they might not be teamed.

But they could be. Sloonei has been Paopan afterall rn rh.

Has been defending* Paopan

Paopan is firmly in my POE.