The Rings of Power - Game Over

[MacDougall]

One of my mafia is on every wagon :o

This is the kind of post that looks really townie imo, because DOOM is focused on her scumreads and what they're doing in the game.

Also, probably a good note for the future if one them does end up flipping scum.

whomst are?

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: moonwink] aubergine

had 0 votes, is sussy, wolves not voting there, sussy

[Marmot]

One of my mafia is on every wagon :o

This is the kind of post that looks really townie imo, because DOOM is focused on her scumreads and what they're doing in the game.

Also, probably a good note for the future if one them does end up flipping scum.

whomst are?

She made a list somewhere, but I don't remember who's on it (except for I think Nanook)

Is that particular list of people important?

[MacDougall]

can I get a cavalcade of reads on marmot please, with at least minor justification?

[dunya]

good morning who's townie?

you tell me

I haven't read anything from over night

There’s like 40 posts and half of them are me, come on HK

creature, dunya, nanook, moonwink are all probably town.

are you happy now?

I'm more concerned about this post so far.

3 post-heavy townies who have talked a lot coupled with nook who's iso does not resemble ours at all.

Pretty weird pairing without context.

Will read more.

[Marmot]

Or rather, is it important in this moment?

[NotAnAxehole]

I don't hate you Mac. I might even vote Dunya with you.

[dunya]

[VOTE: moonwink] aubergine

had 0 votes, is sussy, wolves not voting there, sussy

I also have 0 votes.

[Marmot]

Dunya locking me in as a town read can at least assure everyone that we don't live in a world where I'm a wolf and she is town (because she would never be wrong about that).

[MacDougall]

One of my mafia is on every wagon :o

This is the kind of post that looks really townie imo, because DOOM is focused on her scumreads and what they're doing in the game.

Also, probably a good note for the future if one them does end up flipping scum.

whomst are?

She made a list somewhere, but I don't remember who's on it (except for I think Nanook)

Is that particular list of people important?

Is the list of players DOOM is suspecting important when you say "Also, probably a good note for the future if one them does end up flipping scum."?

I dunno I would expect that if you actually believed what you said here that you would care and seek to have her elaborate rather than just grandstanding.

[Marmot]

Friendly reminder that if we want to kill someone today, we need 51% of votes there.

[dunya]

I don't hate you Mac. I might even vote Dunya with you.

Our first game together in forever and u want me gone just like that

[VOTE: HK] aubergine

[NotAnAxehole]

If we're not willing to kill Nanook and Dunya, then our chances of hitting mafia approach 0%

[dunya]

Dunya locking me in as a town read can at least assure everyone that we don't live in a world where I'm a wolf and she is town (because she would never be wrong about that).

Exactly. See CoV for reference. I locked marmot as town and won best townie that game

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: moonwink] aubergine

had 0 votes, is sussy, wolves not voting there, sussy

I also have 0 votes.

it is more justifiable for you to have 0 votes than them given they are suspected by a large swathe of players and yet the wolves have found no cause to be trying to wagon them, you being dunya have teflon for skin

[NotAnAxehole]

I don't hate you Mac. I might even vote Dunya with you.

Our first game together in forever and u want me gone just like that

[VOTE: HK] aubergine

I know you don't think this is going to work on me.

[Marmot]

One of my mafia is on every wagon :o

This is the kind of post that looks really townie imo, because DOOM is focused on her scumreads and what they're doing in the game.

Also, probably a good note for the future if one them does end up flipping scum.

whomst are?

She made a list somewhere, but I don't remember who's on it (except for I think Nanook)

Is that particular list of people important?

Is the list of players DOOM is suspecting important when you say "Also, probably a good note for the future if one them does end up flipping scum."?

I dunno I would expect that if you actually believed what you said here that you would care and seek to have her elaborate rather than just grandstanding.

I'm saying that I further townread DOOM for this post. Not because it's necessarily right, but because the mindset behind the post is townie indicative imo.

But if she's right on one of them, then looking at the VC and gamestate in that moment is useful, and since generally wolves don't combine their votes, it could be a useful note.

[osieorb18]

can I get a cavalcade of reads on marmot please, with at least minor justification?

Sure; I've been meaning to ISO-dive them.

[dunya]

I don't hate you Mac. I might even vote Dunya with you.

Our first game together in forever and u want me gone just like that

[VOTE: HK] aubergine

I know you don't think this is going to work on me.

No, it was sarcasm.

You'd be doing me a favour

[Marmot]

Marmot is always a wolf here.

[Jackofhearts2005]

When I said Jack/Dunya had wolf equity Jack's response to me was the most gaslighty pile of bullshit I've ever read btw.

Let’s talk about that in deadchat or postgame. You’re wrong.

[dunya]

[VOTE: moonwink] aubergine

had 0 votes, is sussy, wolves not voting there, sussy

I also have 0 votes.

it is more justifiable for you to have 0 votes than them given they are suspected by a large swathe of players and yet the wolves have found no cause to be trying to wagon them, you being dunya have teflon for skin

You have my blessings to murder me when I log off to sleep. Godspeed.

[osieorb18]

Uggh NAA looks SO disingenuous...

NAA, HK. NAA, HK. NAA, HK.

Fuck if I know.

[dunya]

I wanna put my vote somewhere where it counts and I can justify a HK or NANOOK vote atp.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack, Mac, NAA

Can any of them be wolf here?

Realistically, probably all of them, but I'm townreading Jack.

like this is just straight up never something a townie says

Is this a misread?

[Marmot]

[VOTE: moonwink] aubergine

had 0 votes, is sussy, wolves not voting there, sussy

I also have 0 votes.

it is more justifiable for you to have 0 votes than them given they are suspected by a large swathe of players and yet the wolves have found no cause to be trying to wagon them, you being dunya have teflon for skin

You have my blessings to murder me when I log off to sleep. Godspeed.

You have 3 more posts before you can do that.

@MacDougall you have like 9 more posts, (in case you weren't paying attention).

[NotAnAxehole]

I don't hate you Mac. I might even vote Dunya with you.

Our first game together in forever and u want me gone just like that

[VOTE: HK] aubergine

I know you don't think this is going to work on me.

No, it was sarcasm.

You'd be doing me a favour

I'm not sure what to make of this.

Can somebody compile a list of everyone MacDougall has replied to (in order) this game? I need the PBPA for trend analysis.

[Marmot]

I don't hate you Mac. I might even vote Dunya with you.

Our first game together in forever and u want me gone just like that

[VOTE: HK] aubergine

I know you don't think this is going to work on me.

No, it was sarcasm.

You'd be doing me a favour

I'm not sure what to make of this.

Can somebody compile a list of everyone MacDougall has replied to (in order) this game? I need the PBPA for trend analysis.

No

[NotAnAxehole]

Well, I'm on mobile so I won't be doing it before EOD.

[osieorb18]

I don't hate you Mac. I might even vote Dunya with you.

Our first game together in forever and u want me gone just like that

[VOTE: HK] aubergine

I know you don't think this is going to work on me.

No, it was sarcasm.

You'd be doing me a favour

I'm not sure what to make of this.

Can somebody compile a list of everyone MacDougall has replied to (in order) this game? I need the PBPA for trend analysis.

That's an involved process. Why are you asking other people to do that instead of doing it yourself? Planning to have a busy night phase?

[dunya]

I don't hate you Mac. I might even vote Dunya with you.

Our first game together in forever and u want me gone just like that

[VOTE: HK] aubergine

I know you don't think this is going to work on me.

No, it was sarcasm.

You'd be doing me a favour

I'm not sure what to make of this.

Can somebody compile a list of everyone MacDougall has replied to (in order) this game? I need the PBPA for trend analysis.

That's an involved process. Why are you asking other people to do that instead of doing it yourself? Planning to have a busy night phase?

Yes, busy plotting with NANOOK and Andres and HK how to murder us.

[MacDougall]

I don't trust any single HK voter, though I found HK sus... so that rules out HK for me.

The Jack voters are ... meh also. There's a chance all three are town but something about those three slots in particular voting together on Jack gives me the creeps. That wagon makes me want to punch myself in the scrotum. Which is sad cuz Jack is a sussy baka.

The Nanook wagon might be pretty good if Jack is town cuz he's all "creature is town" which he would probs be right about, and axe is obvious as fuck. I might just put my vote back there.

There is essentially a difference check between Scotty and Andres for voting for Axe imo. Like the chance that two town would do that is quite small and the chance that two wolves are there like that is about .05%. I'd say Andres 75/25 likely to be the wolf between them cuz Scotty was kinda towny from memory. Though Doom, who is maybe probably town seems to be voting Scotty @DaughterOfOmega you probably have explained it but for the benefit of me who has missed swathes of content can you elaborate on why?

I remember Dunya was pushing Andres but is voting HK now and Dunya is essentially outed so she is probably just voting HK to keep his nose in front of her teammate Nanook tbh.

I am pretty well in lockstep with Axe, we should just kill Nanook or Dunya here. If you are town, join the fun brigade.

[Marmot]

am I shadowbanned or something? Marmot wrote up a case on me, I said it was junk with reasons, and crickets.
I know I'm not "omg it's teh HK taking over" but also I'm not like just chopped liver.

You're allowed to interact with this game in other ways than responses to responses to your response of my case.

(I feel you, it's annoying to write a wallpost and have it ignored, but also... who reads those?)

[Jackofhearts2005]

Aside from you I don't like either of the other players voting for nanook so I am sorry @NotAnAxehole but I probably can't abide remaining here much longer

I think Moonwink's reaction to your push was also wolfy in a "Nanook is a town and being pushed by a town and I can defend said town from other town" kinda way.

Jack, Dunya, Creature, Moonwink remain the four players I wish would just flip right now.

I’d help flip Moonwink, though I think Nanook has been worse.

Why?

Why would I flip Moonwink or why do I think Nanook is worse?

Cause like I don’t have much of a HK read and if we aren’t gonna flip Nanook, Moonwink is the player I suspect most with votes. I’m way more familiar with Nanook’s scum meta than Moonwink’s and he’s in it enough.

[NotAnAxehole]

I don't hate you Mac. I might even vote Dunya with you.

Our first game together in forever and u want me gone just like that

[VOTE: HK] aubergine

I know you don't think this is going to work on me.

No, it was sarcasm.

You'd be doing me a favour

I'm not sure what to make of this.

Can somebody compile a list of everyone MacDougall has replied to (in order) this game? I need the PBPA for trend analysis.

That's an involved process. Why are you asking other people to do that instead of doing it yourself? Planning to have a busy night phase?

Demonstrating that a bot can play this game is a lot of work. I need to get Ellibereth back into mafia...

[Marmot]

Is Mac sussing me just by association for my hk vote. Shame on you Mac, I'm definitely town.

[osieorb18]

Mac feels like he's shading people left and right. Do not like. Would consider a CFD there.

[hollowkatt]

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: hallowkatt] aubergine

wait, I'm doing the harder of the two things and you're voting me for it? or are you voting me b/c I said to scotty idc if he thinks it's lazy

You are entertaining the idea that you are doing the harder and lazy thing?

Calling almost 1/4 of the player group town is over confident and/or scumy to me.

No, YOU said it was the harder of the two things. Scotty said it was Lazy, and I said "I don't care if you think it's lazy, I think it's useful."
How many town reads is too many screenplay? Do you think I'm wrong? Do you think I have TMI? What is it?

Or are you not wanting this many people to be drawing town reads this early b/c that's what I think.

MacDougall is a player in this game.

he hasn't tried to pocket me yet, means he's probs town

I'll be the decider of that.

the last two times he was a wolf he straight up tried to (and succeeded for a time) in pocketing me.

@hollowkatt I need your help to develop my reads, what would you say is the most prominent/important feature of your scum game? Links with examples plox.

my most important feature is not spewing my team when I die and not picking fights.
my second most important feature is definitely knowing how to count to 1.

Beelzebub Mafia

Bluey Mafia - I did end game this one

AtLA Mafia - seanzie basically ran this show, I was along for the ride.

as to whether or not these are the kinds of examples you're looking for I have no idea.

I agree somewhat. The video game market is too diluted to set a new great franchise like Pokemon and Mario. Glad Pokemon at least got big because its universe is pretty interesting.

I'm a bit bored. Doesn't feel like the game is progressing.

Talks about Pokemon and then in the next post complains that the game isn't progressing.

I haven’t played with creature enough- is apathy a scum trait of his?

early game apathy is creature indicative. Later in the game if the apathy remains it's probs wolf indicative.

Currently:
Doom - town (communicates via smoke signals and the North Star to find Truth)

I could see her being town on general blase purity but I'm not entirely convinced and I'm a little surprised that you have her as one of your strongish townreads at this point.

I don’t know what her scum game looks like, but I’m agreeing with her reads right now.

I could be very wrong, which my D1 reads are wont to be, but ima stick a corncob pipe in it and call it frosty

her scum game is brutal and makes you cry. also pockets you and uses you to her own advantage. No i'm not salty why do you ask?

HK has made a number of posts like this today, which offer little insight into his thought process or what he thinks about the game.

This does not include extended back-and-forths about complaining about reading posts in this game thread.


HK has offered a couple reads.

Spoiler: show

MacDougall is a player in this game.

he hasn't tried to pocket me yet, means he's probs town

ok let’s try something different:

I activate my uno reverse. Who do you think looks scummy so far?

tbh I don't like your posts much. Your attempt to work yourself into the P1 joke set felt forced. I also think screen is potentially wolfy but that's more along the lines of "I think screen tried to set a trap and failed" more than it is "screen is wolfing".

I played some league and talked about white supremacy with my grandparents, now that I'm wanting to die, I have reached my peak mafia form. Time to carry

unironically going to town read this

But the srceenplay one is, dare I say, hedgey, and the DOOM one is unexplained.


I'm putting HK in the scum pile for now.

of all the cases written against me in the history of mafia this one is the most lame.

but ok, lets go through this line by line I guess.

The first post you cite is a conversation between myself and srceen. I challenge his vote on me, he explains it, and then I push back because he's trying to have it both ways. He says I do the hard thing, then he votes me for "being lazy" except that I'm not being lazy. My "lazy" comment was directed towards scotty when I said I didn't care if he thought it was lazy, I find looking for townies makes more sense and works better for me.

The second post you cite is me making a read on mac for very specific personal reasons. The last two games I've had with wolf mac he specifically pocketed me, he knows it works. So that he hasn't tried doing that thus far is town indicative for him. How is that not offering insight into how I'm thinking? I'm laying out exactly why I have that read.

My comment on creature is a conversation with scotty and again draws on my personal experience with creature. Again I'm not sure where that's not insight into how I'm thinking.

My dunya comment sure, that's a throw-away. impugn me for that I guess.

I do straight up say my srceen read is weird, that's obvs to anyone who read it.

What about the DOOM read needs explaining? I could expand on that in terms of I like the other things they're saying, but mostly it's the attitude of "putting you big person pants on and getting to work" that I don't find comes from a wolf all that often. DOOM might be a highly capable wolf (not sure I've ever seen them wolf tbh) and sure, might say something like that as a wolf, but generally the "ugh lets go fucking solve this" comes from town vastly more often than it does from town.

I don't like that you called this case lame. Rude. Also, it isn't lame. I stand by my reasoning that your contributions to that point look tepid, an that many of your posts are not making contributions to this game based on what's happening in this game.

Part of the reason I find this suspicious is that I sometimes find myself as mafia talking about other players' meta a lot, because it's easy to make a statement without offering an opinion on them based specifically on what they're doing in this game.

I think you missed the part where I'm not talking about meta at all.

[osieorb18]

Aside from you I don't like either of the other players voting for nanook so I am sorry @NotAnAxehole but I probably can't abide remaining here much longer

I think Moonwink's reaction to your push was also wolfy in a "Nanook is a town and being pushed by a town and I can defend said town from other town" kinda way.

Jack, Dunya, Creature, Moonwink remain the four players I wish would just flip right now.

I’d help flip Moonwink, though I think Nanook has been worse.

Why?

Why would I flip Moonwink or why do I think Nanook is worse?

Cause like I don’t have much of a HK read and if we aren’t gonna flip Nanook, Moonwink is the player I suspect most with votes. I’m way more familiar with Nanook’s scum meta than Moonwink’s and he’s in it enough.

The latter. Is it purely a meta read?

[MacDougall]

I retract all my suspicion on Jack and subsequently also on Creature. Also Marmot. Also Osie.

Dunya, Nanook, Hollowkatt, Andres are now the people I want to kill the most.

[Marmot]

Spoiler: show

wait, I'm doing the harder of the two things and you're voting me for it? or are you voting me b/c I said to scotty idc if he thinks it's lazy

You are entertaining the idea that you are doing the harder and lazy thing?

Calling almost 1/4 of the player group town is over confident and/or scumy to me.

No, YOU said it was the harder of the two things. Scotty said it was Lazy, and I said "I don't care if you think it's lazy, I think it's useful."
How many town reads is too many screenplay? Do you think I'm wrong? Do you think I have TMI? What is it?

Or are you not wanting this many people to be drawing town reads this early b/c that's what I think.

he hasn't tried to pocket me yet, means he's probs town

I'll be the decider of that.

the last two times he was a wolf he straight up tried to (and succeeded for a time) in pocketing me.

@hollowkatt I need your help to develop my reads, what would you say is the most prominent/important feature of your scum game? Links with examples plox.

my most important feature is not spewing my team when I die and not picking fights.
my second most important feature is definitely knowing how to count to 1.

Beelzebub Mafia

Bluey Mafia - I did end game this one

AtLA Mafia - seanzie basically ran this show, I was along for the ride.

as to whether or not these are the kinds of examples you're looking for I have no idea.

Talks about Pokemon and then in the next post complains that the game isn't progressing.

I haven’t played with creature enough- is apathy a scum trait of his?

early game apathy is creature indicative. Later in the game if the apathy remains it's probs wolf indicative.

I could see her being town on general blase purity but I'm not entirely convinced and I'm a little surprised that you have her as one of your strongish townreads at this point.

I don’t know what her scum game looks like, but I’m agreeing with her reads right now.

I could be very wrong, which my D1 reads are wont to be, but ima stick a corncob pipe in it and call it frosty

her scum game is brutal and makes you cry. also pockets you and uses you to her own advantage. No i'm not salty why do you ask?

HK has made a number of posts like this today, which offer little insight into his thought process or what he thinks about the game.

This does not include extended back-and-forths about complaining about reading posts in this game thread.


HK has offered a couple reads.

Spoiler: show

he hasn't tried to pocket me yet, means he's probs town

ok let’s try something different:

I activate my uno reverse. Who do you think looks scummy so far?

tbh I don't like your posts much. Your attempt to work yourself into the P1 joke set felt forced. I also think screen is potentially wolfy but that's more along the lines of "I think screen tried to set a trap and failed" more than it is "screen is wolfing".

I played some league and talked about white supremacy with my grandparents, now that I'm wanting to die, I have reached my peak mafia form. Time to carry

unironically going to town read this

But the srceenplay one is, dare I say, hedgey, and the DOOM one is unexplained.


I'm putting HK in the scum pile for now.

of all the cases written against me in the history of mafia this one is the most lame.

but ok, lets go through this line by line I guess.

The first post you cite is a conversation between myself and srceen. I challenge his vote on me, he explains it, and then I push back because he's trying to have it both ways. He says I do the hard thing, then he votes me for "being lazy" except that I'm not being lazy. My "lazy" comment was directed towards scotty when I said I didn't care if he thought it was lazy, I find looking for townies makes more sense and works better for me.

The second post you cite is me making a read on mac for very specific personal reasons. The last two games I've had with wolf mac he specifically pocketed me, he knows it works. So that he hasn't tried doing that thus far is town indicative for him. How is that not offering insight into how I'm thinking? I'm laying out exactly why I have that read.

My comment on creature is a conversation with scotty and again draws on my personal experience with creature. Again I'm not sure where that's not insight into how I'm thinking.

My dunya comment sure, that's a throw-away. impugn me for that I guess.

I do straight up say my srceen read is weird, that's obvs to anyone who read it.

What about the DOOM read needs explaining? I could expand on that in terms of I like the other things they're saying, but mostly it's the attitude of "putting you big person pants on and getting to work" that I don't find comes from a wolf all that often. DOOM might be a highly capable wolf (not sure I've ever seen them wolf tbh) and sure, might say something like that as a wolf, but generally the "ugh lets go fucking solve this" comes from town vastly more often than it does from town.

I don't like that you called this case lame. Rude. Also, it isn't lame. I stand by my reasoning that your contributions to that point look tepid, an that many of your posts are not making contributions to this game based on what's happening in this game.

Part of the reason I find this suspicious is that I sometimes find myself as mafia talking about other players' meta a lot, because it's easy to make a statement without offering an opinion on them based specifically on what they're doing in this game.

I think you missed the part where I'm not talking about meta at all.

Just because you didn't use the word meta doesn't mean you aren't talking about it.

[hollowkatt]

Marmot is always town, Creature. Don't tinfoil him.

or what? cause I'm gearing up to do a big marmot tinfoil and won't even care that it's some amount of omgus

[dunya]

Mac feels like he's shading people left and right. Do not like. Would consider a CFD there.

He does it as town for the post game cred of being right. Don't worry about it. The deeper into the game we go the more substantial his scum reads become !

[Marmot]

HK, can I get your reads on the top wagons. To be specific, we'll call the other top wagons Jack and Nanook.

[dunya]

I think HK is town probably.

I think NANOOK is frozen today.

[Urist]

@dunya has reached the post limit and may no longer post.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Hmm... My scumreads are at least mostly voting for two of my townreads, jack and srceen. My PoE at the very least looks something like (no particular order):

DrWilgy (generally meh), HK (tonal, active lurking), Martin (active lurking, no reads), Moonwink (on a different planet), NAA (active lurking, posturing)

Nanook had a poor response to pressure, but I'm not entirely convinced that they're a good D1 elim. I don't think we get anything more out of that whether they're town or scum.

I doubt that all three players on Jack are scum, though, so that's at least something.

Indifference is my default reaction to "pressure" lol

[Creature]

@dunya has reached the post limit and may no longer post.

Uh oh

[Marmot]

Mac feels like he's shading people left and right. Do not like. Would consider a CFD there.

He does it as town for the post game cred of being right. Don't worry about it. The deeper into the game we go the more substantial his scum reads become !

Damn, that is a shot.


Also, because you can't post anymore...

Spoiler: show

DID YOU JUST TMI MAC AS TOWN????????

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

[VOTE: nanook] aubergine

I think it's time to just let axe have his d1 chop. I feel like if we did that in most games we'd kill mafia.

This feels like either sarcasm or wolf? Just me???

Its probably mafia lol