Ducktales Woo-oo POSTGAME (mafia win)
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Re: Ducktales Woo-oo D5
@Mizery you mentioned you saw my posts but didn't say what u thought of them. Thoughts?
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The ones on dizzy
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at 7 v 1
5 v 1
3 v 1 - sleep
2 v 1
we have two misexes before we lose
5 v 1
3 v 1 - sleep
2 v 1
we have two misexes before we lose
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Honestly, yeah it's kind of dumb. Because he was not trying to save himself by any measure. And even if I was mafia, what the fuck would he expect me to do there right before EoD. He was caught in a pretty bad contradiction and there wasn't a competing wagon. I had him in my PoE for a long time and he also ended up being my preferred vote on D2, so in a world where I was mafia, he doesn't wait until right before he's about to die for sure while not defending himself otherwise. I can see why you would notice these posts, but think about it. I don't really think he did any overt signalling anyway.
The simplest way to know I'm not mafia is to know I never kill NAA.
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why do you never kill NAA
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I'm not trying to convince you of that lol. But it's certainly not unthinkable. I don't really care what HK tried or didn't try to do there.
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Who do you think does kill NAA then and why
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I have talked much about this already. I think it's a really strange kill. Maybe someone who knows NAA less. I don't think it's DDL, cause he was pushing NAA. So was Arc, and I don't really think Arc is mafia here either. Honestly, I don't really think Jack does either, but I'm voting Jack so lol
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he's glomgold. he's a selfish **** by decree of rng. so in that situation I can imagine him softing enough that you're mafia to try to force you to unvote regardless of the negative impact on your towncredDyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:09 pmHonestly, yeah it's kind of dumb. Because he was not trying to save himself by any measure. And even if I was mafia, what the fuck would he expect me to do there right before EoD. He was caught in a pretty bad contradiction and there wasn't a competing wagon. I had him in my PoE for a long time and he also ended up being my preferred vote on D2, so in a world where I was mafia, he doesn't wait until right before he's about to die for sure while not defending himself otherwise. I can see why you would notice these posts, but think about it. I don't really think he did any overt signalling anyway.
The simplest way to know I'm not mafia is to know I never kill NAA.
The next simplest way is to just read my posts.
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I have a burgeoning suspicion that the NAA kill was randed
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No, this doesn't work. First of all, signalling that to me right before EoD wouldn't do shit even if I was mafia.
Second of all, you keep looking at this from an entirely "this is his Winton" technical standpoint.
Too bad for you if you find it suspicious, but I'm pretty damn sure HK has been trying to help mafia this entire game, because that's the kind of person and player he is from my knowledge.
He also didn't try to save himself at all. Like, if he was that concerned with his Winton, why is he basically rolling over at the same time as you now think he could be signalling to me.
I know it's not a thing. But it's also just not a thing.
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I never have and probably will never rand a NK in my entire mafia career. And I've played some hundred games.
I don't know why you would rand a kill here or ever tbh.
I mean, I'm usually not that big on NK analysis. Because the answer is just unknown. This kill does stand out a lot though. I know I would never make it, regardless of whether people believe this or not.
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I don't understand what makes you believe so strongly that hollowcat was just simplifying his role to "mafia." Normally people play to their win condition and not to other people's win conditions unless it makes no difference to them. Is there any evidence hollowcat doesn't do this by default?
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My drunk reads are really crushing it btw lolol
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Absence due to irl stuff is probably the only acceptable reason to rand a NKDyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:21 pmI never have and probably will never rand a NK in my entire mafia career. And I've played some hundred games.
I don't know why you would rand a kill here or ever tbh.
I mean, I'm usually not that big on NK analysis. Because the answer is just unknown. This kill does stand out a lot though. I know I would never make it, regardless of whether people believe this or not.
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I saw them too.
Idk, I could see it going either way. It either spews Dizzy town or it spew Dizzy wolf. But figuring out which it is might not even be possible. In focusing on aspects for my Dizzy read
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It's something I believe. I don't understand why that's so weird to you tbh.Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:23 pm I don't understand what makes you believe so strongly that hollowcat was just simplifying his role to "mafia." Normally people play to their win condition and not to other people's win conditions unless it makes no difference to them. Is there any evidence hollowcat doesn't do this by default?
There is also evidence enough that he didn't care enough about his wincon to defend himself. He was lacklustre all game. I doubt he really cared or tried that hard. Or rather, evidentially not.
It's also not either/or btw. Like, he's not either playing as mafia or as 3p. His role was literally both.
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But I don't know who mafia is so.
When games feel like this, it does tend to me, I'll give you that lolololol
But alas.
When games feel like this, it does tend to me, I'll give you that lolololol
But alas.
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Okay but like logically, he has no stake in a mafia win after his death. I'm pretty sure that no matter his effort level this game, he understands this when he's about to loseDyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:28 pmIt's something I believe. I don't understand why that's so weird to you tbh.Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:23 pm I don't understand what makes you believe so strongly that hollowcat was just simplifying his role to "mafia." Normally people play to their win condition and not to other people's win conditions unless it makes no difference to them. Is there any evidence hollowcat doesn't do this by default?
There is also evidence enough that he didn't care enough about his wincon to defend himself. He was lacklustre all game. I doubt he really cared or tried that hard. Or rather, evidentially not.
It's also not either/or btw. Like, he's not either playing as mafia or as 3p. His role was literally both.
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You don't need my permission to have reads on the game.Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:05 pm see my thing with lag is they kept saying "give me some time with miz to interact and I''m confident I will be able to read them" and not only have they still not put in effort to solve me, but they spent the time we were voth in thread memeing with me which I feel is completely >rand w from them
Your reads have been very shallow this game, to the point I'd be almost disappointed if you flip town because I'm used to you having solid reads when you're town. Not "blame lag for your own lack of depth"
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HK altruistically framing someone when he knows he's lost.Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:28 pmhow would it spew dizzy town?
People don't always plays completely logically
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Ik they don't always play completely logically but like.. altruistic framing? I can't get there.Lag wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:33 pmHK altruistically framing someone when he knows he's lost.Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:28 pmhow would it spew dizzy town?
People don't always plays completely logically
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Alternatively you could view HK logically helping mafia team altruistically even though it doesn't help his win rate at all because of gaining inter-game good will.
Same reasoning as to why he doesn't just out the entire mafia team during twilight - bad will. During twilight his win rate is 0 no matter what, so why not just out the last wolf?
Same reasoning as to why he doesn't just out the entire mafia team during twilight - bad will. During twilight his win rate is 0 no matter what, so why not just out the last wolf?
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But emotionally, he probably still wants mafia to win. I'll bet my right ass cheek he's in spec right now cheering the last mafia on. I would probably do the same, though I'm very serious about my wincons.
Your argument is extremely short sighted here. If he was serious about saving himself, he would first of all put up some sort of fight or defence or case or anything. Second of all, in the event that I was mafia which I'm obviously not, and it was important to him that I didn't vote him, he could try to signal to me the first time I voted or at any earlier point. Blah. Doesn't matter. It's just not the case.
Like, you're literally arguing that the only thing he did was going "Haha, btw, I was the mafia 3p wink wink, which you'll see in 13 minutes anyway".
I mean, I get it, shiny, but also no.
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LmfaoLag wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:31 pmYou don't need my permission to have reads on the game.Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:05 pm see my thing with lag is they kept saying "give me some time with miz to interact and I''m confident I will be able to read them" and not only have they still not put in effort to solve me, but they spent the time we were voth in thread memeing with me which I feel is completely >rand w from them
Your reads have been very shallow this game, to the point I'd be almost disappointed if you flip town because I'm used to you having solid reads when you're town. Not "blame lag for your own lack of depth"
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Like, I don't know what the fuck he was doing. Maybe the post was just for his own amusement, so we would go wild trying to look in his posts for "signalling" when in reality he did none. There's literally no way to know. What he didn't do and honestly wouldn't do is single out the last mafia specifically to go "wink wink wink wink wink oink I'm about to flip mafia 3p IT ME". So in fact, this should spew me town. Not because he was trying to do anything specific, but because he would be careful not to spray mud on the last mafia with his last breath.
Like, if I was the last mafia, I'd have a pretty good reason to be pissed if he did that. That would be bad form. But HK doesn't have bad form. His form is sexy.
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What have we learned?
Arc had no mercy in mafia.
He would probably ruthlessly buddy me, only to eat me for supper later.
Also, he's avatar is fully coffee tell
Arc had no mercy in mafia.
He would probably ruthlessly buddy me, only to eat me for supper later.
Also, he's avatar is fully coffee tell
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Nothing I'm doing is blaming you
I had a townread on LC, and a townread on Mac, i pushed hk
I never said i needed permission, but when you were given time to interact with me in thread it's how you used the time
I had a townread on LC, and a townread on Mac, i pushed hk
I never said i needed permission, but when you were given time to interact with me in thread it's how you used the time
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"Had" is totally poetic in this context.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:42 pm What have we learned?
Arc had no mercy in mafia.
He would probably ruthlessly buddy me, only to eat me for supper later.
Also, he's avatar is fully coffee tell
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blaming you for me not having reads * because I had reads*
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I still don't know who mafia is.
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@MacDougall Who is mafia?
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But now I'm left alive with my POE
and mac
and mac
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Low key, Mizery being proud of her HK vote is probably town indicative too.
Zomg everyone's so towny
Zomg everyone's so towny
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You're E M P T YMizery wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:39 pmLmfaoLag wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:31 pmYou don't need my permission to have reads on the game.Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:05 pm see my thing with lag is they kept saying "give me some time with miz to interact and I''m confident I will be able to read them" and not only have they still not put in effort to solve me, but they spent the time we were voth in thread memeing with me which I feel is completely >rand w from them
Your reads have been very shallow this game, to the point I'd be almost disappointed if you flip town because I'm used to you having solid reads when you're town. Not "blame lag for your own lack of depth"
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Watch Jack being the mafia who forgot to send in a kill N3
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That makes sense, I don't think it's badwill to do what he actually did though. To out his wolf buddies definitely would be. I can't get my head around "subtle altruistic frame job" being a priority for him, but also you and dizzy are not both mafia so if you're both telling me this can be A Thing then maybe it's just something I don't understand about how people thinkLag wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:36 pm Alternatively you could view HK logically helping mafia team altruistically even though it doesn't help his win rate at all because of gaining inter-game good will.
Same reasoning as to why he doesn't just out the entire mafia team during twilight - bad will. During twilight his win rate is 0 no matter what, so why not just out the last wolf?
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unfortunately my townrange is wider than is good for itLag wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:45 pmYou're E M P T YMizery wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:39 pmLmfaoLag wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:31 pmYou don't need my permission to have reads on the game.Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:05 pm see my thing with lag is they kept saying "give me some time with miz to interact and I''m confident I will be able to read them" and not only have they still not put in effort to solve me, but they spent the time we were voth in thread memeing with me which I feel is completely >rand w from them
Your reads have been very shallow this game, to the point I'd be almost disappointed if you flip town because I'm used to you having solid reads when you're town. Not "blame lag for your own lack of depth"
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I think that as a wolf I am generally more agressive- In school of rock i went hard at sparklez d1, though in both lg84 and bisexual souls I wasn't even there for most of the time. I don't even remember election day so i suppose I can't speak on that
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oh jack's watching the thread
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LolDyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:40 pmLike, I don't know what the fuck he was doing. Maybe the post was just for his own amusement, so we would go wild trying to look in his posts for "signalling" when in reality he did none. There's literally no way to know. What he didn't do and honestly wouldn't do is single out the last mafia specifically to go "wink wink wink wink wink oink I'm about to flip mafia 3p IT ME". So in fact, this should spew me town. Not because he was trying to do anything specific, but because he would be careful not to spray mud on the last mafia with his last breath.
Like, if I was the last mafia, I'd have a pretty good reason to be pissed if he did that. That would be bad form. But HK doesn't have bad form. His form is sexy.
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What do you think of Jack, miz?
What do you think of Mac, miz?
What do you think of Dragon D, miz?
What do you think of Dizzy, me, miz?
What do you think of Porscha, Arc, miz?
Quit leaving us in the dark, miz
What do you think of Mac, miz?
What do you think of Dragon D, miz?
What do you think of Dizzy, me, miz?
What do you think of Porscha, Arc, miz?
Quit leaving us in the dark, miz