Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Boq] aubergine

tbh

[Boquise]

Thank you Marmot tbh

Also I will be very spammy if I come back and see that no one has done their homework tbh

[Alison]

This kill again points at 1 scum inside me/JJJ/Alison btw so I am feeling smug about being right there.

I don't disagree with your conclusion, but what makes you think the kill points that way?

[RondoDimBuckle]

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Ok, I have thrown out everything I thought I knew and I have created this analysis of the votes. I welcome someone pointing out if I got it wrong because I have had a long day.

No Vote Weighting (2+)
JJJ/Lucy
Alison/Lucy
Marmot/Boq
If you dont agree put these above or equal to previous pairings
JJJ/Alison
Alison/Nate
Nate/Rondo
Finger/Nate

Now we end the stronger pairings and we go into the weaker pairings (1+)
Boq/Alison
Boq/JJJ
Boq/Lucy
Lucy/Nate
Marmot/Lucy
Finger/Lucy
If you disagree with the no vote weighting include the below above or equal to
Finger/Rondo
Finger/Alison
Finger/JJJ
JJJ/Marmot
JJJ/Creature
JJJ/Nate
Alison/Rondo
Marmot/Alison
Creature/Marmot

Lucy and Boq sleep/no vote, I am not sure how to deal with here and I have chosen to believe its NAI but it weights their pairings in my opinion because they are running on a 50% voting power instead of 33% like everyone else

Who people HAVENT voted with
Rondo: Marmot/Creature/Lucy/JJJ/Boq
Marmot: Rondo/Nate/Finger
Creature: Rondo/Lucy/Nate/Alison/Finger/Boq
Lucy: Rondo/Creature/Finger
Nate: Marmot/Creature/Boq
Alison: Creature/Finger
JJJ: Rondo/Finger
Boq: Rondo/Creature/Nate/Finger
Finger: Marmot/Creature/Boq

I am not pushing any conclusions right now. Just presenting the data and asking anyone if any of the above pairings or below no vote unpairings strike anyone with any gut reads. Mostly looking for T/T or W/W. T/W is acceptable but we are looking for strong pairings here

[RondoDimBuckle]

Falcon: Lucy Nate Alison JJJ Finger

Wiggly: Marmot Boq

Ender: Lucy, Alison, Boq, JJJ, Marmot

There should be a wolf in the above votes (2+)
JJJ, Alison, Boq, Marmot, Lucy, Nate
Less likely (1+)
Finger


People I want to yeet in alphabetical order (not yeet order) because they were on Ender
Alison/Boq/JJJ/Lucy/Marmot

[RondoDimBuckle]

I need to go, there's backup issues I need to sort and me on this forum won't help.
THERE IS AT MOST ONE WOLF IMO IN CREATURE/NATE/BOQ

Evidence against Boq.

I know Nate looks worse here in the original quote but I am trying to narrow down the wolves on Enders train and to Nates credit he wasnt so that is making me lean towards the second half of Enders statement

I need to go, there's backup issues I need to sort and me on this forum won't help.
I THINK THERE'S AT LEAST ONE WOLF IN ALISON/JAY

Evidence against JJJ and/or Alison

MARMOT/FINGER/LUCY PROBABLY HAS AT LEAST ONE WOLF IN IT

Evidence against Marmot and/or Lucy

Spoiler: show

Original for thread health

I need to go, there's backup issues I need to sort and me on this forum won't help.

IF I FLIP DO NOT GO AFTER DIZZY OR RONDO.

You can think about them if we actually get to f3, otherwise fuck off.

THERE IS AT MOST ONE WOLF IMO IN CREATURE/NATE/BOQ

I think there's a wolf in Nate but I don't think that's his partners if so, and if he's town I don't think more than one of Boq/Creature is wolf.

I THINK THERE'S AT LEAST ONE WOLF IN ALISON/JAY

This might be wrong and I'll feel stupid if I am but I believe it.

MARMOT/FINGER/LUCY PROBABLY HAS AT LEAST ONE WOLF IN IT

I am constantly revising this last part so eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh

Not super helpful in Isolating my 5 yeetables

[RondoDimBuckle]

Ender w: Nate/Lucy/Rondo/Boq

Ender v: Jay/Boq/Creature/?

This could probably look different, but yeah

Not sure how I should feel about this

I could take you out tbh. Alison is right

Evidence against JJJ and BOQ

ignoring creature in this for now

[RondoDimBuckle]

This probably clears Rondo more if Ender is w

If ender is v though. Oh lord. Have fun. Jay/Boq probably. Creature a possibility, but I would never go there first.

If Ender is v, Marmot is in charge, ok? Ok.

Isn't Marmot wolfreading Ender too?

Yeah, but I think he's town. He should be in charge imo

You know, sometimes town wolf read other town. Can you imagine

Evidence in favor of Marmot

[RondoDimBuckle]

I think Alison can be off the table for me today.
So that is progress.

I don't know if that's true, that the scum chat would have teammates that would talk about these things. I've been in a lot of games where the scum chat is simply dead, or where they mostly chat about fluff. I don't know that Seanzie townreading Creature is something that would be a hot topic of discussion in the wolf chat.

This is a nitpick though. I am positive on Creature still.

I agree with this.

I'm not that confident on Creature being town. I think his whining about wagons every game day has been a bit overblown. And he's been doing it while at the same time considered some of those wagons. Just felt weird. I haven't seen this version of Creature before tbh

A town flip on Creature would be worse for the game than a town flip on Ender though.

Good look for Creature but I relevant for my purposes other than to see that Alison is Null to Light town for Dys. Evidence in favour but not strong

[RondoDimBuckle]

Ender w: Nate/Lucy/Rondo/Boq

Ender v: Jay/Boq/Creature/?

This could probably look different, but yeah

Not sure how I should feel about this

I could take you out tbh. Alison is right

I think Fingers is probably town.
I'm done tinfoiling Marmot.
Rondo town.
Ender AHHHHHHHH, still want to say town. I have a really hard time walking from this.

Nate and Lucy are independent and looks town, thought I guess there's a chance I'm wrong.

Creature is not inspiring. Still think maybe not with Alison or Jimmay, but I had a different view on D2. I don't know.

Alison/Jimmay/Boq left - there's definitely something rotten here. But Alison/Boq probably not.

My reads don't make sense.

Sigh. I'll come back to all of this later.

OLD^ but the only direct mention of Lucy that I can find that says more than her name

I would say this is a Light Town to Null read.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Current standings
Alison(-1+.5=-.5)
Boq(-1-1=-2)
JJJ(-1-1=-2)
Lucy(-1+.5=.5)
Marmot(-1+1=0)

[RondoDimBuckle]

Eh. kinda feel Alison's legacy posts are performative.

Why?

The whole insisting on a legacy thing... Alison can and will demand that we sheep her if she dies, but here it doesn't feel the same. Like instead of it feeling like "sheep me fools", she's just quietly labeling the posts as legacy, feels more like meta-replication than natural.

Evidence against Alison

[RondoDimBuckle]

GTH little-thoughts-knee-jerk sorted reads list. The big block in the middle is nullish. I did not sort within groups.

MacDougall

lucy

Boquise

fingersplints
RondoDimBuckle
Dyslexicon
NateTheLesser
JaggedJimmyJay

Creature
Alison

Marmot
DrWilgy

falcon45ca
EnderWiggin

I was hoping this would help me sort my thoughts better, and possibly give some insight into people I need to consider more. Unfortunately, I don't feel like it was as productive as I was hoping it would be. I do need to read Boq as I found myself sorting them more due to thread consensus than my own thoughts. I also should probably try to break that middle group up and narrow my south-of-null down into more clear suspects.

This is an old as fuck read list but its the only time I can see him directly mention what he thinks of Boq. I would say since he treated boq as mostly null but also sought out his onion a lot this is a light town possibly more. Good look for boq for once tbh tbh tbqh ftr

[RondoDimBuckle]

Trying again with quotes fixed for readability:

EnderWiggin/DrWilgy expanded:

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Fingersplints] aubergine

Interesting choice. Got one and a half reasons why?

I got one half and a handful of pocket lint, that work?

Yes, but for other purposes.



Why fingers? She's not joined the game, and you didn't tag her

I'm not going to lie, for some reason I thought she'd made one post and dipped.

Which apparently isn't true.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

@fingersplints Hi, hello, read up and see watcha think

Actually I'm a wagoner and Seanzie has voted somewhere I wanted.

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Nah ur reads are bogus lol.

And you are either of the ten fools or a wolf.

Your read indicates one while behavior hits at the other, I'll place you orange.

I also agree DrWilgy's reads seem pulled out of a hat.

...

Which makes it worse that I agree with a lot of them.

Nah ur reads are bogus lol.

And you are either of the ten fools or a wolf.

Your read indicates one while behavior hits at the other, I'll place you orange.

I also agree DrWilgy's reads seem pulled out of a hat.

...

Which makes it worse that I agree with a lot of them.

I've shared more since the post about my reads you quoted. What are your thoughts on me and my studies?

I'm slowly deciding I don't want to vote there rn.

Wait, this is Day 0.

Do votes even count.

Do my feelings count?

Always <3

I revoke my EW vote.

I'm now voting [VOTE: JJJ] aubergine in effort to help Jay the all consuming best him and reclaim his full and pure form.

Ah! An interesting conundrum! *Sits up from study and lifts paper to light*

Seanzie, can be scum in this scenario. When given the opportunity to expand thinking, a joke reply was given not even considering alternatives to the action of voting me.

EnderWiggin I do not have enough data on, this can be either way.

*Brings the paper back down and stands up, beginning to pace around his study*

Macdougall however intrigues me the most here. I do believe that Mac has a good read on me, but is either wrong or is wolf. I do wonder if town Mac pushes on me in effort to solve, but the fervor I see does not seem to indicate that this is in fact fishing. Yes, Mac who is good at reading me, I do not feel would commit this hard to a scum read on me at this point. This is potentially Scum Mac. I will review in the morning as it is time for the doctor to get some well deserved rest.

My studies on Jay the all consuming will continue tomorrow.

*Turns off the lights and exits stage left*

I expect bullishness yes, but I expect it to reflect data available. For what this concerns, I do not think the data was available for your vote to land on me. A read, maybe, but for that to entice your vote and to be your most sound read is what brought about my interest.

Thank you for the explanation. If you do believe my interactions with Seanzie, Rondo, EW, and Lucy so far did not achieve anything, you are mistaken. Further, If I were just posting to post, would I not have more posts currently however?

So far, my research and study have lead to concerns with Lucy and Seanzie. With Rondo and EnderWiggin, I have not yet seen anything that would imply wolf play.

JJJ I have in a slight focus as well as their early read on Lucy contradicts my own.

I do believe that ultimately it is still in our best interest to keep Jay the all Consuming from absorbing our own Jay.

Ah! An interesting conundrum! *Sits up from study and lifts paper to light*

Seanzie, can be scum in this scenario. When given the opportunity to expand thinking, a joke reply was given not even considering alternatives to the action of voting me.

EnderWiggin I do not have enough data on, this can be either way.

*Brings the paper back down and stands up, beginning to pace around his study*

Macdougall however intrigues me the most here. I do believe that Mac has a good read on me, but is either wrong or is wolf. I do wonder if town Mac pushes on me in effort to solve, but the fervor I see does not seem to indicate that this is in fact fishing. Yes, Mac who is good at reading me, I do not feel would commit this hard to a scum read on me at this point. This is potentially Scum Mac. I will review in the morning as it is time for the doctor to get some well deserved rest.

My studies on Jay the all consuming will continue tomorrow.

*Turns off the lights and exits stage left*

Why bring up Ender if you don't have anything to say about him?

*Points to a list of people labeled "The 3 that I've seen vote me"*

*Scribbles down notes*

I believe this is wise.

[VOTE: EnderWiggin] aubergine

Ngl, I'd rather vote Ender than falcon after reading this progression.

Look at you, pullin on my heartstrings.

*The doctor puts down his mug and begins to wiggle in place, nothing like some silly dancing to soothe the soul.*

[VOTE: Ender] aubergine

The case against them being mafia teammates: If EnderWiggin is presumed mafia, his motion against Wilgy strikes me as one of opportunism. Wilgy took early heat in the Day 0/Day 1 period, and if he is town he is of the site's most token easy targets in every game. Wiggin explicitly referenced Seanzie's suspicion of Wilgy as a motivator (if Wiggin is mafia, that'd imply to me him using a town's misgivings about another town to justify a bad vote). If Wilgy is assumed mafia, his votes, while less meaningful by raw poll data, strike me as generic omgus.

It isn't absolute, but as a starting point with neither of them flipped, I am okay proceeding.

Just to be sure, this post is what strikes you as opportunism?

Actually I'm a wagoner and Seanzie has voted somewhere I wanted.

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

A vote less half an hour into D1 is opportunistic?

Nah. [VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

This plus old read list, Evidence against JJJ. Null to POE, looking through nates voting record he started on JJJ but didnt touch him again after this hitting marmot 3 times and lucy once before wiggly.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Let's have an exercise
If you had an alignment check, who would be your first pick to check and why?

Probably Seanzie? A lot of his pushes have been on people I town read, so I think that would tell me a lot about whether my worldview is largely correct or whether I need to do more reevaluating.

Aside from Jay, who I think most people have a contrary opinion to me, who are the people I'm pushing that you're townreading?

Marmot and Lucy. Marmot especially is someone that I was feeling pretty good about since they got more engaged late D1, but you and Boq have been suspicious of them so it makes me wonder if I'm missing something.

I am not pushing Lucy (okay, I did push her for a bit because I thought she slipped with something, but then once that was resolved, I dropped that push like it was a microphone and I just won a rap battle). Marmot though, yeah you should rethink there.

yesterday during our thing, how closely were you paying attention to marmot @Seanzie

I've been mulling over what I think of Marmot there. It is quite possible, perhaps even likely he was flame fanning. I know why I stayed on you (I forgot to move my vote), but I was kind of surprised to see that he did as well. He also kinda just dipped once I backed off you in a way that I didn't like; like his only vested interest in the situation was to get me pushing you.

Do you still feel this way? Did anything change while I was asleep?

I am not against a Marmot wagon, if that is what you're asking. The first time Marmot has posted since then was after this post from you, so no, very little has changed.

ftr i think both finger and marmot are town

I agree, and I'm sad that the thread thinks that these are the two best options atm.

If you're going to kill me today thread, do not kill fingersplints tomorrow.

Ehh...

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Evidence for Lucy and against Marmot

Coupled with the old read list above it agrees with the position that Seanzie thought Marmot was in POE and Lucy was not

[RondoDimBuckle]

Current standings
JJJ(-1-1=-2-.5=-2.5)
Boq(-1-1=-2+.5=-1.5)
Alison(-1+.5=-.5-.5=0)
Marmot(-1+1=0-.5=-.5)
Lucy(-1+.5=.5+.5=1)

[RondoDimBuckle]

Been vastly busy today.

See Dizzy as prime target? I accept this.

Ender/Marmot/Seanzie are also acceptable.

What's goin on in the thread?

Evidence against Marmot

[RondoDimBuckle]

Ah! An interesting conundrum! *Sits up from study and lifts paper to light*

Seanzie, can be scum in this scenario. When given the opportunity to expand thinking, a joke reply was given not even considering alternatives to the action of voting me.

EnderWiggin I do not have enough data on, this can be either way.

*Brings the paper back down and stands up, beginning to pace around his study*

Macdougall however intrigues me the most here. I do believe that Mac has a good read on me, but is either wrong or is wolf. I do wonder if town Mac pushes on me in effort to solve, but the fervor I see does not seem to indicate that this is in fact fishing. Yes, Mac who is good at reading me, I do not feel would commit this hard to a scum read on me at this point. This is potentially Scum Mac. I will review in the morning as it is time for the doctor to get some well deserved rest.

My studies on Jay the all consuming will continue tomorrow.

*Turns off the lights and exits stage left*

So do you think that town Mac should be townreading you for your play prior to this post? If so can you show me the parts where you've towntold to a degree where you'd expect me to notice?

I do not, but I do believe that town Mac would allow for more data before gauging someone he has a track record of reading correctly.

That is what's throwing me off. Your conclusion was drawn far more quickly than I'd expect.

However, the gusto I feel from your posts is in line to how I perceive town Mac. It is quite the contradiction.

Do you, Mac, feel as if your ability to read me has shifted at all in the past year? If so, do you feel it has improved or declined?

First sentence, since when have you known me to not be bullish with making reads immediately? I don't think my track record of reading you is superb. I've read you wrong quite a lot. I think I read you poorly when we first started playing, went through a patch of reading you really well, and then when you came back from hiatus and started playing more intentionally I lost my ability to read you because you were playing entirely new again.

In this game you just seem to be making posts for the sake of it.

I expect bullishness yes, but I expect it to reflect data available. For what this concerns, I do not think the data was available for your vote to land on me. A read, maybe, but for that to entice your vote and to be your most sound read is what brought about my interest.

Thank you for the explanation. If you do believe my interactions with Seanzie, Rondo, EW, and Lucy so far did not achieve anything, you are mistaken. Further, If I were just posting to post, would I not have more posts currently however?

So far, my research and study have lead to concerns with Lucy and Seanzie. With Rondo and EnderWiggin, I have not yet seen anything that would imply wolf play.

JJJ I have in a slight focus as well as their early read on Lucy contradicts my own.

I do believe that ultimately it is still in our best interest to keep Jay the all Consuming from absorbing our own Jay.

I think this is solid null on JJJ, correct me if you read this differently. It hurt my brain reading this a second time. In the moment I was vibing with Wiggly's meme posts

[RondoDimBuckle]

I think it's funny that with the exception of boq, all my scum reads are on me.

Oh well. Yeet Ender when I'm gone.

Evidence against Boq

[RondoDimBuckle]

My reads so far

Alison !rand
Boquise !rand
Creature !rand
DrWilgy !rand
Dyslexicon !rand
EnderWiggin wolf
falcon45ca !rand
fingersplints !rand
JaggedJimmyJay !rand
lucy !rand
MacDougall !rand
Marmot !rand
NateTheLesser !rand
RondoDimBuckle !rand
Seanzie !rand

[this is a meme brought to you by the tinfoil ender gang]

oki

[VOTE: EW] aubergine

Wiggin I missed this post in the moment. HAHAHAHAHAHA.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Been vastly busy today.

See Dizzy as prime target? I accept this.

Ender/Marmot/Seanzie are also acceptable.

What's goin on in the thread?

Tell me about Dizzy and Marmot.

Dizzy seemed to be in contention with Wiggin who I read as scum, while at the same time is in a place of very fluffy gameplay to the point where I don't remember most of their presence. The fluffy gameplay I can see as W alignment. Worst case scenario I get to understand their read on Wiggin as being genuine.

Marmot had potential to be scum, I'd say in the same possibility percentage as Dizzy. I find that if Marmot was town, I'd be confident about that read currently. I do not have that inclination.

Evidence against Marmot

[RondoDimBuckle]

Talk to me about lucy @DrWilgy

Lucy?

*Gets out of bed and digs out notes*

Wolf lean, bantered a plenty in the beginning. Even felt to reply in the chain of "butt butt butt butt"

However did not reply or even acknowledge an all caps LUCY W.

The contradiction is wolfy.

You placed Lucy as an early town read, why is this?

Allow me to break character for a moment to advise:

Sorry I didn't get to analyze afew players against each other. Work killed me yesterday during the day.

Then I didn't get any sleep afterwards.

Brain is functioning at probably 20% capacity. Trying to multitask causes headaches.

I'll be shitposting and answering easy thoughts likely until EoD and trusting my d1 gut.

In short, you don't have the right.

What would be your reaction to another player posting this?

Depends on the context of the player.

JJJ? Accept it and move along.

Lucy? Probably encourage them as a wagon.

Any other needed examples?

These two posts while Scathing in isolation seem like they are just memes set up to catch people who go at Lucy. So I am going to call this light town to null. Wiggly please correct me after the game if I am wrong on this

[RondoDimBuckle]

Ah! An interesting conundrum! *Sits up from study and lifts paper to light*

Seanzie, can be scum in this scenario. When given the opportunity to expand thinking, a joke reply was given not even considering alternatives to the action of voting me.

EnderWiggin I do not have enough data on, this can be either way.

*Brings the paper back down and stands up, beginning to pace around his study*

Macdougall however intrigues me the most here. I do believe that Mac has a good read on me, but is either wrong or is wolf. I do wonder if town Mac pushes on me in effort to solve, but the fervor I see does not seem to indicate that this is in fact fishing. Yes, Mac who is good at reading me, I do not feel would commit this hard to a scum read on me at this point. This is potentially Scum Mac. I will review in the morning as it is time for the doctor to get some well deserved rest.

My studies on Jay the all consuming will continue tomorrow.

*Turns off the lights and exits stage left*

Why bring up Ender if you don't have anything to say about him?

*Points to a list of people labeled "The 3 that I've seen vote me"*

I cant find any specific posts pointing to Alison read one way or the other. So Null, In reference to this post Wiggly sussed everyone on his wagon. So that includes Marmot as well as Boq.

Which makes this post make less sense but it must have been before Boq moved on at EOD

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[RondoDimBuckle]

Current standings
JJJ(-1-1=-2-.5=-2.5+0=-2.5)
Boq(-1-1=-2+.5=-1.5-.5=-2)
Marmot(-1+1=0-.5=-.5-.5=-1)
Alison(-1+.5=-.5-.5=0+0=0)
Lucy(-1+.5=.5+.5=1+.5=1.5)

[Alison]

I'm not reading all that in detail. Is this just a collation of legacy posts by each dead player about each alive player?

[RondoDimBuckle]

I kinda think that there is a necessary auto period here.

Like there is a line and those below it have to all die before those above it because if the mafia are all above it the game is already over and we are wasting our time and that's very unlikely.

Line

Dyslexicon
Creature
Falcon
DrWilgy

For some reason I don't want to put Fingersplints below the line. I think Dyslexicon has the most chance of being town but I can't reasonably put him above it.

Alison
Boq
Creature
Dizzy
Jay
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie

all of the above have actually hit significant town notes I would expect from them...

the marmot wagon intrigues me...

I think it's a genuine c/w and will tunnel marmot if falcon is a miss

lel

Mac has all my targets in his towncore but Marmot so I am just going to say meh on this and ignore it. Sorry Mac. 0's across the board

[RondoDimBuckle]

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine



Gotta make supper and yadda yadda, so I won't be around EOD.




I'm Town! If I get flipped tonight, good luck townies! And I'll see ya in the funny pages

Voting for Marmot.

So Mac and Falcon both wanted Marmot as their last votes. I guess that can be a total of -.5 for marmot but its so early I dont really think it should count. Either way it doesnt effect the outcome of positions

[VOTE: JJJ ] aubergine

[RondoDimBuckle]

I'm not reading all that in detail. Is this just a collation of legacy posts by each dead player about each alive player?

It hasnt failed me yet. Dunya called all the wolves day 1 and I just sheeped her reads and pushed them till we won the game (I forget the game, please dont ask me which one). Macs reads are way off this game so I am going for a holistic collective approach (Slash sheep Ender because it works out that he is suspicious of the same people funnily enough). Town can have the right gut read where everyone feels funky about the same person as long as you get a large enough pool over a long period of time you can get some good results. Plus voting doesnt lie. You have to plant your feet and say "this person is bad" (which is why I dont like Lucy's sleep and Boq's no vote because I see it as a cop out but I am trying not to just see it as alignment indicative) so eventually youll have to defend the fact you flipped town.

tl;dr dont like this post

[Alison]

I'm not reading all that in detail. Is this just a collation of legacy posts by each dead player about each alive player?

It hasnt failed me yet. Dunya called all the wolves day 1 and I just sheeped her reads and pushed them till we won the game (I forget the game, please dont ask me which one). Macs reads are way off this game so I am going for a holistic collective approach (Slash sheep Ender because it works out that he is suspicious of the same people funnily enough). Town can have the right gut read where everyone feels funky about the same person as long as you get a large enough pool over a long period of time you can get some good results. Plus voting doesnt lie. You have to plant your feet and say "this person is bad" (which is why I dont like Lucy's sleep and Boq's no vote because I see it as a cop out but I am trying not to just see it as alignment indicative) so eventually youll have to defend the fact you flipped town.

tl;dr dont like this post

Why wait until now to form your gamestate based on legacy, when legacies from D1/D2 dead players have been out there for ages?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Luckily, It will be friday night tomorrow so I might be available for EOD if I didnt make any weekend promises I forgot about. I see chat is dead as fuck so I am going to do other things. Come on guys dont die on me

[RondoDimBuckle]

I'm not reading all that in detail. Is this just a collation of legacy posts by each dead player about each alive player?

It hasnt failed me yet. Dunya called all the wolves day 1 and I just sheeped her reads and pushed them till we won the game (I forget the game, please dont ask me which one). Macs reads are way off this game so I am going for a holistic collective approach (Slash sheep Ender because it works out that he is suspicious of the same people funnily enough). Town can have the right gut read where everyone feels funky about the same person as long as you get a large enough pool over a long period of time you can get some good results. Plus voting doesnt lie. You have to plant your feet and say "this person is bad" (which is why I dont like Lucy's sleep and Boq's no vote because I see it as a cop out but I am trying not to just see it as alignment indicative) so eventually youll have to defend the fact you flipped town.

tl;dr dont like this post

Why wait until now to form your gamestate based on legacy, when legacies from D1/D2 dead players have been out there for ages?

Because multiple town legacies narrow it in with overlapping vendiagrams. I believe you said something to that effect earlier on day 2. So dont start talking like that is bullshit. You said something to that effect when asked about why you care about Mac's dead reads. So maybe you need a -.5 added to your list for sussing me for doing the same?

[RondoDimBuckle]

My POE as of right now is Dizzy/Ender and then Nate. fingersplints read TBD. Creature has trended up this day phase and has an endorsement from Mac so I'm ok with him for now.

You care about Mac's endorsements but don't see any consideration of his claim he would tunnel Marmot?

It factors into my evaluation of Marmot. His legacy is not the be all and end all of my thought process, but that claim has led me to put Marmot lower than I would have if not for his legacy. Absent Mac's message, I would probably have Marmot as a townread, and now he's more like, floating just above the POE.

When it comes to Creature, Mac's views and mine trend in the same direction so it's a much easier call to make. I try to strike a balance between respecting his thoughts and having agency and ideas of my own.

Was more a statement that you kept bringing it up to "add" to reads you were making but didn't see any comments about Marmot.

Generally when it comes to players that I vibe with like Mac and who I think (or know, in this case) are town, my approach is to try to find the Venn diagram of our reads and work in the overlap. My day 1 play was pretty much just finding the overlap between me/Mac/JJJ's scumreads and voting in that. He had a positive impression of Creature, which matches with my feeling he has trended up D2, and this is an overlap I am happy to go with. We don't agree on Marmot, evidently, which is why I don't just straight sheep his reads.

tada

[Alison]

I'm not reading all that in detail. Is this just a collation of legacy posts by each dead player about each alive player?

It hasnt failed me yet. Dunya called all the wolves day 1 and I just sheeped her reads and pushed them till we won the game (I forget the game, please dont ask me which one). Macs reads are way off this game so I am going for a holistic collective approach (Slash sheep Ender because it works out that he is suspicious of the same people funnily enough). Town can have the right gut read where everyone feels funky about the same person as long as you get a large enough pool over a long period of time you can get some good results. Plus voting doesnt lie. You have to plant your feet and say "this person is bad" (which is why I dont like Lucy's sleep and Boq's no vote because I see it as a cop out but I am trying not to just see it as alignment indicative) so eventually youll have to defend the fact you flipped town.

tl;dr dont like this post

Why wait until now to form your gamestate based on legacy, when legacies from D1/D2 dead players have been out there for ages?

Because multiple town legacies narrow it in with overlapping vendiagrams. I believe you said something to that effect earlier on day 2. So dont start talking like that is bullshit. You said something to that effect when asked about why you care about Mac's dead reads. So maybe you need a -.5 added to your list for sussing me for doing the same?

Where did I say that implied your approach was bullshit?

I asked why you started doing it now... which implies that I thought you should've been doing it earlier.

Why are you being so hostile in response to simple queries about your thought process and approach?

[Marmot]

I'm not reading all that in detail. Is this just a collation of legacy posts by each dead player about each alive player?

It hasnt failed me yet. Dunya called all the wolves day 1 and I just sheeped her reads and pushed them till we won the game (I forget the game, please dont ask me which one). Macs reads are way off this game so I am going for a holistic collective approach (Slash sheep Ender because it works out that he is suspicious of the same people funnily enough). Town can have the right gut read where everyone feels funky about the same person as long as you get a large enough pool over a long period of time you can get some good results. Plus voting doesnt lie. You have to plant your feet and say "this person is bad" (which is why I dont like Lucy's sleep and Boq's no vote because I see it as a cop out but I am trying not to just see it as alignment indicative) so eventually youll have to defend the fact you flipped town.

tl;dr dont like this post

Why wait until now to form your gamestate based on legacy, when legacies from D1/D2 dead players have been out there for ages?

Because multiple town legacies narrow it in with overlapping vendiagrams. I believe you said something to that effect earlier on day 2. So dont start talking like that is bullshit. You said something to that effect when asked about why you care about Mac's dead reads. So maybe you need a -.5 added to your list for sussing me for doing the same?

Where did I say that implied your approach was bullshit?

I asked why you started doing it now... which implies that I thought you should've been doing it earlier.

Why are you being so hostile in response to simple queries about your thought process and approach?

Usually when you imply something, you don't say it, you just imply it.

[Marmot]

I'm never going skiing with y'all again.

[Alison]

Usually when you imply something, you don't say it, you just imply it.

I meant "what made you think I meant to imply your approach was bullshit".

I don't care about his approach. I don't think it's "bullshit", and as Rondo himself suggests, I've been known to use it myself. I'm more interested in understanding why he chose now to use it, and what made him decide to start doing detailed legacy analyses all of a sudden when he has been posting off the cuff for the rest of the game.

[Marmot]

From my POV, not a single EOD wagon was scum this game with the exception of Ender voting Jay yesterday. That is assuming I'm right on Creature/fingersplints being town.

I am starting to become very wary of fingersplints though. I'm worried that I'm not being pushed very strongly this game because I'm the person who is shielding fingersplints. If we're t/t, I do think it would be hard for the wolves to win without mis-elimming at least one of us.

[Marmot]

I also might be overestimating my own pushability.

[Marmot]

Usually when you imply something, you don't say it, you just imply it.

I meant "what made you think I meant to imply your approach was bullshit".

I don't care about his approach. I don't think it's "bullshit", and as Rondo himself suggests, I've been known to use it myself. I'm more interested in understanding why he chose now to use it, and what made him decide to start doing detailed legacy analyses all of a sudden when he has been posting off the cuff for the rest of the game.

What do you think of his explanation?

Also what do you think of the hostility he showed toward you in that response?

[Alison]

Usually when you imply something, you don't say it, you just imply it.

I meant "what made you think I meant to imply your approach was bullshit".

I don't care about his approach. I don't think it's "bullshit", and as Rondo himself suggests, I've been known to use it myself. I'm more interested in understanding why he chose now to use it, and what made him decide to start doing detailed legacy analyses all of a sudden when he has been posting off the cuff for the rest of the game.

What do you think of his explanation?

Also what do you think of the hostility he showed toward you in that response?

His explanation was acceptable, if he was going for an overlap approach. I don't know why he couldn't have done it slightly earlier (eg. he could have overlapped Mac and Seanzie's reads yesterday), but he seemd a little busy D3 so I guess it makes sense.

I don't know what to make of the hostility. Gun to head, I don't think it's scummy, as a mafia Rondo would be fairly deep here and wouldn't want to make waves or make enemies. I'd like him to explain it more, though, because it seemed to come out of nowhere.

[Marmot]

Also, why didn't you say anything to me when I made a full compilation of Sean's reads?

[Marmot]

Thank you Marmot tbh

Also I will be very spammy if I come back and see that no one has done their homework tbh

I'm not going to explain my vote because I want Boq to be spammy.

I didn't call him woof yesterday but whatever

[Alison]

Also, why didn't you say anything to me when I made a full compilation of Sean's reads?

Because "normal player makes one post looking at a single player's reads, and then gives up" is regular behavior.

"Guy who pops in at odd times to shitpost and/or give oddball chaotic reads posts an entire page of very dense legacy interactions" is slightly odder behavior.

If it was Nate posting Rondo's analysis, I wouldn't have said anything, because it wouldn't strike me as strange or surprising. Again, my emphasis is on figuring out why this person is doing the thing they're doing, as opposed to nitpicking at the exact content.

[Marmot]

Hi I'm normal player

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What's the comparison between you and these players?

The comparison isn't perfectly one-to-one, but the spirit of the thing is what I reference. Each of them was a highly active town contributor who wasn't able to produce "expected" results and drew eventual harsh suspicion or were mischopped outright. It's become a bit of a qualifier trope, and I seem to be the best analog in this game.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@JaggedJimmyJay can I get your current read on Creature?

Without having completed my proper reassessment, I would call Creature town.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I may adopt a policy this phase of declining to answer accusations, or at least most of them. That is one area where I think Lag had the right idea, though they took it too far with voting for themself in Game 7. My time is limited anyway, and my interest is in the hunt foremost. I can only hope that town will pay me fair heed and listen to what I have to say. Regardless of the degree of your suspicion, this is a mountainous game and should be treated accordingly. So treat me as an unknown slot rather than as a "confirmed mafioso" or as a "slot that must be resolved". This was a major pitfall of many qualifier towns, and it's one that must be avoided now.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

There is one potential pairing of players in this game that interests me a great deal. I don't know yet what I will find when I dig, but I think it might prove pretty illuminating when I do dig. I won't say who that pairing is yet. Anyone is free to guess.

[NateTheLesser]

Okay, I've got some actual brainpower today, so let's see what we find.

[NateTheLesser]

I still think Creature's town tbh. I review two of his scum games and two of his town games in the last year, and his posting is far more in line with his town games. Specifically his paranoid complaints about mis-elimming at EOD. There's just none of that in his scum games, and quite a bit in his town games.

Town

Pandas vs Trash Pandas
RPG Mafia

Scum

Rings of Power
Fall of Númenor



Creature voters, I'm curious if you agree with this take.

@fingersplints @RondoDimBuckle @NateTheLesser

@JaggedJimmyJay can I get your current read on Creature?

Can I ask why Creature is a priority for you to solve coming into today?