ASMRfia [END]

[RondoDimBuckle]

Get off endert, he's town

why is he town?

I have played with blade like four times now plus Anni. Minus Anni, I have been 4/4 on reading him. I have zero idea how to put it in words but when I'm reading him he sets off pings of being town. Like rereading his iso knowing hes blade made sense that he's town.

Just call it a meta soul read.

lol I get that you have played games with Ender before but he is way inside his scum range. It doesnt mean he cant be town but he needs to do a bit more than some solvy work second half of day 2

[Sabiplz]

Get off endert, he's town

why is he town?

I have played with blade like four times now plus Anni. Minus Anni, I have been 4/4 on reading him. I have zero idea how to put it in words but when I'm reading him he sets off pings of being town. Like rereading his iso knowing hes blade made sense that he's town.

Just call it a meta soul read.

lol I get that you have played games with Ender before but he is way inside his scum range. It doesnt mean he cant be town but he needs to do a bit more than some solvy work second half of day 2

What has he done that proves he's in his scum range?

[Achromatic]

One of the reasons I asked Ender last night about how closely he reads games when reading back is he really pounced on pop quiz time with Achro but didn't bring up my two follow ups. The important thing about those follow ups is the rest of my ISO supports them as true. In the first I said most of my problems with Dizzy stem from day one (this is obviously true if you have read most of my ISO and the things I have posted about) and the second is that post was in defense of Porscha and their contributions which also lines up.

The downfall here is Dizzy is just... a day one case that she hasn't had the chance to sit down and answer with me. It's like Porscha, I want answer and when I got answers I went 'oh I like these' and maybe it will be the same for Dizzy. My iso will show I wanted people to engage with my problems with Dizzy and to Ender's credit I feel like he did that the most out of anyone. I am told this isn't out of his scum range though.

[EnderWiggin]

I'd be curious to see if Sabi is right if I role scum with them, but I'll take the shield lol.

[EnderWiggin]

One of the reasons I asked Ender last night about how closely he reads games when reading back is he really pounced on pop quiz time with Achro but didn't bring up my two follow ups. The important thing about those follow ups is the rest of my ISO supports them as true. In the first I said most of my problems with Dizzy stem from day one (this is obviously true if you have read most of my ISO and the things I have posted about) and the second is that post was in defense of Porscha and their contributions which also lines up.

The downfall here is Dizzy is just... a day one case that she hasn't had the chance to sit down and answer with me. It's like Porscha, I want answer and when I got answers I went 'oh I like these' and maybe it will be the same for Dizzy. My iso will show I wanted people to engage with my problems with Dizzy and to Ender's credit I feel like he did that the most out of anyone. I am told this isn't out of his scum range though.

There is a joke that nothing is out of my scumrange.

Nanook and others who know me very well tend to be very cautious giving me a clear because of that.

I won't say it's perfect, and there's probably things you can isolate from my ranges, but I have yet to have someone reliably tell me apart when I put in effort. Maybe Sabi, I haven't played with them enough or thought about their read on me before so shrug.

[Achromatic]

One of the reasons I asked Ender last night about how closely he reads games when reading back is he really pounced on pop quiz time with Achro but didn't bring up my two follow ups. The important thing about those follow ups is the rest of my ISO supports them as true. In the first I said most of my problems with Dizzy stem from day one (this is obviously true if you have read most of my ISO and the things I have posted about) and the second is that post was in defense of Porscha and their contributions which also lines up.

The downfall here is Dizzy is just... a day one case that she hasn't had the chance to sit down and answer with me. It's like Porscha, I want answer and when I got answers I went 'oh I like these' and maybe it will be the same for Dizzy. My iso will show I wanted people to engage with my problems with Dizzy and to Ender's credit I feel like he did that the most out of anyone. I am told this isn't out of his scum range though.

There is a joke that nothing is out of my scumrange.

Nanook and others who know me very well tend to be very cautious giving me a clear because of that.

I won't say it's perfect, and there's probably things you can isolate from my ranges, but I have yet to have someone reliably tell me apart when I put in effort. Maybe Sabi, I haven't played with them enough or thought about their read on me before so shrug.

Fair enough, I can vibe with that myself. Question. I have now clarified what pop quiz time was about. Does that make it feel less slimy?

[EnderWiggin]

I was not shading dizzy for activity and I don't know if ender is mafia who knows that or yet another town who doesn't read the thread carefully and at this point I don't know what to say.

Pop quiz

Who has posted more content today dizzy or porscha

Orly

I have 500 posts, and you can't find anywhere in my many pages of dizzy discussion where I built my case on Dizzy being inactive. I mean, you read the ISOs I did - that's what I found suspicious.

Pop quiz

Who has posted more content today dizzy or porscha

Dizzy said she was afk the whole game say for a festival. Don't be opportunistic

I will he qs opportunistic as I like thank you very much. She may enjoy her festival in peace, most of my problems stem from day one anyway.

But mostly my point is porscha seems to be posting just fine and isn't a great lynch at this point from my pov

The 'pop quiz time with Achro' wasn't actually about Dizzy. It was people pointing out that a huge reason for Porscha being a good lynch is their lack of content, and Dizzy was largely seen as fine, and so I was contrasting the two. One of the beautiful benefits of me typing out so many words and spilling my thoughts is that you can, if you look, see a thread line of my thinking process.

ya rly

I was hardly the only one that took that interpretation out of it.

Your visible line of thinking made it look like the question was basically "If Porscha is a good vote for lack of content, why isn't Dizzy?" When Dizzy had clearly stated afk D2 and had content on D1, which is a different case from Porscha.

It didn't feel like a comparable state between the two

[Achromatic]

Sure, but you were the only one who reacted to it after I had clarified it. If someone initially goes 'uh Achro' like Sabi did I don't question it. I am questioning it for you because you could have had the benefit of me clarifying it (and, again, importantly the way I clarified it fits in with how I have cased Dizzy and how I have defended Porscha)

[EnderWiggin]

Sure, but you were the only one who reacted to it after I had clarified it. If someone initially goes 'uh Achro' like Sabi did I don't question it. I am questioning it for you because you could have had the benefit of me clarifying it (and, again, importantly the way I clarified it fits in with how I have cased Dizzy and how I have defended Porscha)

I still believe it was a comparison that doesn't make sense given the context of their D1s and their "Lack of content".

A context I think you ignored for your post.

A context you rationalised away when called out.

[EnderWiggin]

Also you're really huge on this whole "But my reasoning makes sense in my frame of mind!" as if this should clear you.

Do you think as wolf you couldn't follow a consistent line of logic? Because I think that's underselling you a little.

[Seanzie]

I don't think Seanzie has been townie today and he's fooled me before with play like he had on d1.

I have him as a very slight town lean and welcome discussion on him.

Seeing his last scum game and this one is mega tier yikes of wanting to touch that any time soon tbh. That was super polarizing.

It's not like lock stock and bury it but I don't see a reason to be suspicious outright atm.

That last game was more outlier than anything. Seanzie can be afk wolf but also can post and can provide content.

More recently I've seen more low effort wolf games but I would never count him out of being able to do minimal town!Seanzie posting.

What games have you seen me wolf in? I know we were w/w in veggie wars, but can't remember any others.

[Achromatic]

In fact, frankly, if anyone wishes to pay attention to the broader thread of my sentiments in game, I have asked for restraint multiple times in the cases of Tommy (yeah yeah I know he's my wolf bud I get it), Wilgy, Porscha, and others when people are like "they haven't posted in awhile" I have asked often to discuss more active people because if people are super inactive they can be dealt with way closer to deadline.

Like yes, if you take one post out of the broader context you can say "Achro wasn't attacking Dizzy for inactivity" but that's really not how I play mafia lol. Like when people were saying Porscha didn't provide a lot of content day 1 I defended her by pointing out day ended around when she was meant to come back.

I don't know. If you're town you started day 1 on me, you started day 2 on me, and you just won't be able to get off of this train which is also why I asked about tunnels and read progression. You're seeing what you want to see if you're town.

[Achromatic]

Also you're really huge on this whole "But my reasoning makes sense in my frame of mind!" as if this should clear you.

Do you think as wolf you couldn't follow a consistent line of logic? Because I think that's underselling you a little.

It doesn't clear me, it diffuses your point about that post though.

You can't go "well the post makes sense, so it's slimy"

Well you can but it's how you lynch town.

[EnderWiggin]

Sure, but you were the only one who reacted to it after I had clarified it. If someone initially goes 'uh Achro' like Sabi did I don't question it. I am questioning it for you because you could have had the benefit of me clarifying it (and, again, importantly the way I clarified it fits in with how I have cased Dizzy and how I have defended Porscha)

Also I maintain that even after you "Clarify" it, it's an inaccurate comparison and shades Dizzy for activity when it wasn't a relevant statement.

The mere fact that you compared Porscha who had low content and had been notably not present to Dizzy who had been present and had explicitly stated their lack of availability for this specific day phase feels bad. You trying to explain it away doesn't change the fact that you considered those two statements parallel enough to compare them.

[EnderWiggin]

I don't think Seanzie has been townie today and he's fooled me before with play like he had on d1.

I have him as a very slight town lean and welcome discussion on him.

Seeing his last scum game and this one is mega tier yikes of wanting to touch that any time soon tbh. That was super polarizing.

It's not like lock stock and bury it but I don't see a reason to be suspicious outright atm.

That last game was more outlier than anything. Seanzie can be afk wolf but also can post and can provide content.

More recently I've seen more low effort wolf games but I would never count him out of being able to do minimal town!Seanzie posting.

What games have you seen me wolf in? I know we were w/w in veggie wars, but can't remember any others.

I remember Avatar most notably, but there were others too.

[Achromatic]

It's like "Hmm, nothing suspicious here after a broader context of reading Achro, guess that means he is a wolf since he could follow a line of thought."

Then sure, I am wolf in all worlds no matter what I've posted lol

[EnderWiggin]

Also you're really huge on this whole "But my reasoning makes sense in my frame of mind!" as if this should clear you.

Do you think as wolf you couldn't follow a consistent line of logic? Because I think that's underselling you a little.

It doesn't clear me, it diffuses your point about that post though.

You can't go "well the post makes sense, so it's slimy"

Well you can but it's how you lynch town.

A post being slimy is in no way a reflection of the logical consistency. It is slimy because I don't like or believe in the attempted framing or worldview it's purporting.

[Sabiplz]

But then again blade did pocket me in anni so nvm I'm dumb

[Achromatic]

Right, because you've been tunneling me since early day one if you're town. Like, it's really clear to me that there's nothing I can say here that matters. You have ample evidence of how I case people, I've done it several times now, and how I look for things, and 'pop quiz time' is not how I go about attacking people. It's just not. You can call it shade all you like but when all of my discussion points around Dizzy center around day 1 and I was defending Porscha from activity concerns (because at that point Porscha had began posting day 2 and I liked it) then like... yeah.

"But that world view doesn't even make sense" well probably because I didn't put too much thought into it and I was trying to point out Porscha was active and doing well.

[EnderWiggin]

It's like "Hmm, nothing suspicious here after a broader context of reading Achro, guess that means he is a wolf since he could follow a line of thought."

Then sure, I am wolf in all worlds no matter what I've posted lol

And this kind of statement is just irking me more.

You're explicitly taking me in a least favourable light and ignoring what I consider to be an issue.

Your ability to follow a line of thought is irrelevant. I place it about as important as whether I can press the f key.

I am trying to consider your content. Whether I believe it looks like you are making your reads progression in a good mind or not. Things I look for primarily are opportunism, lack of flexibility in reads on what I believe are optimal vote outs or targets, what the play you have around other wolves once flipped.

I look at gamestate and thread position.

I don't give two shits about whether you're logically consistent because I actually believe you could be consistent as wolf.

[Sabiplz]

I'm just dumb and my reads are all bad

[Achromatic]

Well if it makes you feel better it's really irking me that I have to contend with the possibility you are town whose tunneled so deep underground you're covered in oil but here we are.

I am actually not taking you in any light here. I don't know if you're wolf or not but it's just a pretty plain reading. It's not just logically consistent. You say I was shading Dizzy's activity. I am saying if I was shading dizzy's activity you would not have to rely on two sentence post to know it as your only proof.

That's not logical consistency.

That's facts.

[EnderWiggin]

And this is exactly why I hate engaging people in defense.

Because I then get so caught up in trying to solve them that I lose track of the rest of the game and just vote them.

This is both for me defending myself and other people defending themselves.

And yes, calling it out doesn't mean I'm not prone to falling into it. In fact the direct reason I avoided discussing you in the first place was to try and NOT fall into it but now I'm here anyway.

[EnderWiggin]

Well if it makes you feel better it's really irking me that I have to contend with the possibility you are town whose tunneled so deep underground you're covered in oil but here we are.

I am actually not taking you in any light here. I don't know if you're wolf or not but it's just a pretty plain reading. It's not just logically consistent. You say I was shading Dizzy's activity. I am saying if I was shading dizzy's activity you would not have to rely on two sentence post to know it as your only proof.

That's not logical consistency.

That's facts.

Your post shaded Dizzy's activity in a non-favourable manner.

That is a fact.

Whether that makes you wolf is not entirely related to that, but the fact that I have to argue this point when you:

Compared someone who had clearly stated reasons for not being present to someone who hand not been active for an extended period of time

Is just ad;sjf

[Achromatic]

Wolves aren't that great at defending themselves and honestly for someone who has never seen my wolf game you make a lot of really bad assumptions about it.

[Achromatic]

Well if it makes you feel better it's really irking me that I have to contend with the possibility you are town whose tunneled so deep underground you're covered in oil but here we are.

I am actually not taking you in any light here. I don't know if you're wolf or not but it's just a pretty plain reading. It's not just logically consistent. You say I was shading Dizzy's activity. I am saying if I was shading dizzy's activity you would not have to rely on two sentence post to know it as your only proof.

That's not logical consistency.

That's facts.

Your post shaded Dizzy's activity in a non-favourable manner.

That is a fact.

Whether that makes you wolf is not entirely related to that, but the fact that I have to argue this point when you:

Compared someone who had clearly stated reasons for not being present to someone who hand not been active for an extended period of time

Is just ad;sjf

I have 500 posts. HERE IS YOUR HINT, SIR.

IF I WANT TO SHADE A SLOT

I GO FOR THE FUCKING HEAD.

[EnderWiggin]

Wolves aren't that great at defending themselves and honestly for someone who has never seen my wolf game you make a lot of really bad assumptions about it.

I'll pay that I'm making assumptions about it.

Also wolves defending themselves is absolutely something they can do.

Like if your wolves can't defend themselves find better wolves.

[Achromatic]

Okay so I am going to get some breakfast and a water, I am not in my happy place.

tl;dr - Unless it's in a paragraph or repeated a lot it's probably not intended to shade because I put heads on pikes not go 'teehee'

[EnderWiggin]

I have 500 posts. HERE IS YOUR HINT, SIR.

IF I WANT TO SHADE A SLOT

I GO FOR THE FUCKING HEAD.

So you're saying it's impossible that you shaded the activity and then had immediate backlash and changed course on that because you realised it wouldn't be good?

You have been going for Dizzy's head. In any avenue you think is safe.

[EnderWiggin]

For the record:

I need to disengage from this myself.

I'm becoming too annoyed over the argument to clearly define whether I'm voting this because I like the wagon or I'm just annoyed.

I still think that the approach on me (The sussing me starting around when I said that the exaggeration on the Sabi read was obvious from tone. And then the insistence on not liking how I didn't put words in Dizzy's mouth for other things, saying that if I was so good at reading tone I wouldn't have no answer for their reasons for sus) was not great but I need to actually step back and consider other things.

[EnderWiggin]

It is not impossible that Dizzy is snowing me.

But from what I've seen I think this is likely Dizzy's towngame. I've elaborated some on why I believe that's the case.

[EnderWiggin]

I'm going to spend the remainder of today trying to find other thoughts that don't exist around names containing "Achro"

[Achromatic]

I have 500 posts. HERE IS YOUR HINT, SIR.

IF I WANT TO SHADE A SLOT

I GO FOR THE FUCKING HEAD.

So you're saying it's impossible that you shaded the activity and then had immediate backlash and changed course on that because you realised it wouldn't be good?

You have been going for Dizzy's head. In any avenue you think is safe.

*waves my hand vaguely in the direction of heated back and forths with all but confirmed town Mac*

When you were asked if wolf Achro would do that, you said:

I do not think Achro as wolf would be passive, ever, so I think the content and sorting it would be the main ways to differentiate the two.

And I think "Undermine town leader solving" fits right in the wheelhouse of style I'd expect of someone who usually plays confident town leader on their own.

So let's just build Wolf Achro from the bits and pieces we've got so far from your world view and the game state

1. Top posts
2. Uses that top posting position to defend a wolf buddy who had 0 interest in being here blatantly and repeatedly.
3. Aggressively engages with Mac many times.
4. Decides to shade someone for activity when more or less every other post on activity about any slot has been one of preaching patience and restraint, and then when facing 'back lash' to walk this stance back.

You are correct about one thing objectively though. I have been going for Dizzy's head, yes. Certainly not for inactivity though, and I could truly not care less about safety.

Enjoy the thread outside of Achro, it's a wonderful place.

[Achromatic]

[VOTE: Dizzy] aubergine

Moving my vote so Ender can engage with other content without my voting hanging over him. Going to catch up to what I missed over night.

[EnderWiggin]

[VOTE: Stupid Sexy Flanders] aubergine

[Achromatic]

Oh dizzy should be around tonight, cool.

I see Ender appeared out of nowhere like a juiced up fairy. Taking it out on the mark itself.
Had a real shit night of sleep, dreaming of...nukes. And an escape to an icy place which hopefully was not a metaphor.
I hope I'm all but not predictive. Sometimes I have doubts. Maybe I've been pranked, or maybe I'm a great prankster cast aside in mafia for being hard to digest for people with low frustration tolerance. Or cast outside from elsewhere because of someone's actions in the last three years, but unlikely my own.

I'm in a pinch and neglecting important things for this game like a planned departure, but I seem to have a natural propensity to trust Ender. I might just do what he says.
Given that my knowledge not just about the game, but about the world seems to increase while I play games of mafia, I have probably good reason to assume that Achromatic should be an elimination here, and will vote accordingly.

even if Ender thinks you are wolf?

I got really bad vibes yesterday from Achromatic trying to nudge me into a Dyslexicon elim when I suggested no elim.
Ender's read on me doesn't influence my opinion on Achro in any way, and I don't know why you think it should have a reason to.

No elimination is a coward's choice and I for one am glad you decided to vote me instead tbh. Although getting bad vibes from someone pushing their top suspect is a complete failure of a vibe check.

Vivax thinking Achro/Mac is the team over night is honestly my favorite post of day 2. Just in general I really like how vivax is constantly thinking about things in a different way, even when he's wrong I can appreciate the different line of thinking.

Nanook continues to take lines that I like with their poking dizzy now alongside their defense of axe/wilgy. He seems to be townsiding very heavily despite the sparseness.

Mac decided to random wagon Flanders. Not much else to do so I suppose that's fine.

There wasn't too much over night, so all done.

[EnderWiggin]

I'm not going to lie, Vivax's reaction to my case honestly makes me want to townread him because I don't see the reason for a wolf to hard townread someone trying to case them in a situation when they could just join the wagon on them.

And most of the the posts in the ISO aren't ones I immediately sus, and outside the Tommy progression I don't have a huge reason to sus them anymore.

[Seanzie]

Ngl kinda tempted to vote Achromatic since they have over 500 posts, making the game just... easier to digest in general by elimming them regardless of what they flip.

This is only half a joke.

[Sabiplz]

I'm not going to lie, Vivax's reaction to my case honestly makes me want to townread him because I don't see the reason for a wolf to hard townread someone trying to case them in a situation when they could just join the wagon on them.

And most of the the posts in the ISO aren't ones I immediately sus, and outside the Tommy progression I don't have a huge reason to sus them anymore.

Told you he's town. He's a wild card type of player who snorts tin foil but he's town.

[Achromatic]

Ngl kinda tempted to vote Achromatic since they have over 500 posts, making the game just... easier to digest in general by elimming them regardless of what they flip.

This is only half a joke.

Thanks for making me feel welcome to the site tbh

[Sabiplz]

Why is flaunders being sused

[Vivax]

Ngl kinda tempted to vote Achromatic since they have over 500 posts, making the game just... easier to digest in general by elimming them regardless of what they flip.

This is only half a joke.

I know a guy with a cowboy avatar on mafiascum

[Sabiplz]

Both Nook and Sean being on dizzy makes me think it's not a hit.

Don't understand flaunders Case so I'm waiting on that.

Porscha wagon has been lackluster but whatever I'm sticking to it.

Wilgz wagon is dead and he's no where to be seen

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[Seanzie]

Ngl kinda tempted to vote Achromatic since they have over 500 posts, making the game just... easier to digest in general by elimming them regardless of what they flip.

This is only half a joke.

Thanks for making me feel welcome to the site tbh

Do you post this much every game?

[Sabiplz]

Ngl kinda tempted to vote Achromatic since they have over 500 posts, making the game just... easier to digest in general by elimming them regardless of what they flip.

This is only half a joke.

Thanks for making me feel welcome to the site tbh

Do you post this much every game?

I have seen him hyper post on fol so yes. He didn't hyper post the presidents game on sc2 but I was.

[Seanzie]

Ngl kinda tempted to vote Achromatic since they have over 500 posts, making the game just... easier to digest in general by elimming them regardless of what they flip.

This is only half a joke.

I know a guy with a cowboy avatar on mafiascum

I don't understand what is being communicated to me via this post, but that's okay.

[EnderWiggin]

Both Nook and Sean being on dizzy makes me think it's not a hit.

Don't understand flaunders Case so I'm waiting on that.

Porscha wagon has been lackluster but whatever I'm sticking to it.

Wilgz wagon is dead and he's no where to be seen

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Flanders case is partially just lacklustre play, and half because there's a lot of people being townread.

[Sabiplz]

Since mu is post cap games I can't tell if achro hyper posts but in fol he did because no post caps

[Sabiplz]

I spec both of his fol games because one of them had Brad and the other because I was bored. I'm not a stalker.

[Achromatic]

I tend to post a lot because I work from home and I have an illness that makes it hard for me to be out and about a lot, so I have lots of down time to play mafia. And when I don't have lots of time, I don't sign up.