Kid's Birthday Party Mafia Game Over

[Sabiplz]

Glad we are going 3/3 on lhf slots this game.

(yes sparkles was wolf but was still lhf)

Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean by this...who's the lhf this RD?



I'm also not sure of the sentiment...if Maf are lhf, then so be it. They get lynched easier. So then what...Town should target subjectively harder pushes?

Nothing is wrong with it. Just a comment.

[Sabiplz]

Falcon my play style is observing and making commentary since I don't like pushing people. That's how I read and solve. Sorry if it's confusing for you

[Sabiplz]

Glad we are going 3/3 on lhf slots this game.

(yes sparkles was wolf but was still lhf)

Whow would you consider not LHF at this point?

I would consider falcon and Wilgy in that category too, the people I've gathered you are pushing. But so I can get a clarification, who do you think is the wolf atp?

You and jjj.

I don't think Falcon is lhf today.

I have no idea who is maf. Gut/tinfoil is telling me there's a deep wolf in either you or jjj

What are your thoughts on Esooa?

Alison lite.

I don't mind yeeting her since she's being weird and the way marmot and jjj brought up how she handled sparkles was eyebrow raising

Yeah, I'm also not a fan of the way she handled Sparks...or any of her scum reads really. There's lots of hedging and pivot points in her posts, and several examples of unsolicited overexplanations.



OK, so who is in your absolutely not voting list for this RD?

Uhhhh you, marmot and jjj.

Maybe Wilgz (this vote is just a placeholder for now but I would like him to post this game day)

[falcon45ca]

Falcon my play style is observing and making commentary since I don't like pushing people. That's how I read and solve. Sorry if it's confusing for you

S'all good, we're both figuring each other out

[DrWilgy]

Had surgery the other day, so I ain't solving this cycle.

Will respond to notifications if you need something though.

[VOTE: Lucy] aubergine is safe enough. Don't let me misyeet her if we are wrong town glgl.

I hope this went well for you, doctor. Did you perform the operation on yourself?

Ty, so far I'm good. I did have to hold the scalpel with my teeth. Recovering just had me really weak. Got like 3 more days of pain meds before I think things will start going back to norm.

[DrWilgy]

@DrWilgy I hope your surgery went well!!

Ty friend. It seems that it has.

[DrWilgy]

I've skimmed the thread, but really haven't absorbed anything since Friday afternoon. Was kinda hoping that Lucy would've just been kind enough to be wolf.

I need to re-read sparkles when I can absorb data better, but as it stands I still don't think it could be in Marm or Jay.

I do find it odd that Alison would be hit over other players, but makes me wonder if it's just Sabi.

Sabi I recall left alot of players open forming a salad while at the same time death tunneling. hitting Alison now would free them to further pursue that salad whichever way they please. I think it'd be a really good pacing/tempo play if it was Sabi. I don't recall if Sparkles was spewing enough or not for that slot.

[DrWilgy]

Would also explain why Jay wasn't hit, Jay seems to had have Sabi wirrten as not the W. No need to yeet the Jay I. That cercumstance.

[DrWilgy]

Is Nook still in the realm of just "forcibly anti-town" so if we don't yeet now we'll have regret?

[Esooa]

Nanook fortunately actually has reads so no

[Esooa]

I'd honestly rather die than nanook

[Esooa]

Unless nanook does weird stuff as a wolf that I don't know about cause I've forgotten the particulars of it then it's not him and I do not wanna go through that

[Sabiplz]

I've skimmed the thread, but really haven't absorbed anything since Friday afternoon. Was kinda hoping that Lucy would've just been kind enough to be wolf.

I need to re-read sparkles when I can absorb data better, but as it stands I still don't think it could be in Marm or Jay.

I do find it odd that Alison would be hit over other players, but makes me wonder if it's just Sabi.

Sabi I recall left alot of players open forming a salad while at the same time death tunneling. hitting Alison now would free them to further pursue that salad whichever way they please. I think it'd be a really good pacing/tempo play if it was Sabi. I don't recall if Sparkles was spewing enough or not for that slot.

Sir, sparkles was blatantly buddying up to me.

What the fuck is a salad?

Why would I hit Alison she had me her second highest tr.

[Esooa]

There's a zero percent chance I put in more effort than jjj and a zero percent chance falcon doesn't vote me unless I do that

And probably extremely low for other players too

So

[Sabiplz]

Wilgz I think I'm going to keep my vote on you for the uncharitable reads and stirring the pot.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Glad we are going 3/3 on lhf slots this game.

(yes sparkles was wolf but was still lhf)

A Syndicate classic

I think the problem is due to it being a smol game and not syndicate.

I mean, im sure thats part of it, but this is a very TS poe lol

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nanook fortunately actually has reads so no

We've come so far over the years ❤

[Sabiplz]

Glad we are going 3/3 on lhf slots this game.

(yes sparkles was wolf but was still lhf)

A Syndicate classic

I think the problem is due to it being a smol game and not syndicate.

I mean, im sure thats part of it, but this is a very TS poe lol

Fair enough.

As someone who has played/hosted me the most in this playerlist, thots on Wilgz read on me.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Glad we are going 3/3 on lhf slots this game.

(yes sparkles was wolf but was still lhf)

A Syndicate classic

I think the problem is due to it being a smol game and not syndicate.

I mean, im sure thats part of it, but this is a very TS poe lol

Fair enough.

As someone who has played/hosted me the most in this playerlist, thots on Wilgz read on me.

Have not caught up yet, I had you as town when I left

[Esooa]

Don't think jjj cares about making an actual town core that can win the game

[falcon45ca]

There's a zero percent chance I put in more effort than jjj and a zero percent chance falcon doesn't vote me unless I do that

And probably extremely low for other players too

So

Talk to me about JJJ

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Honestly can probably just treat esooa Jay as a difference check lol

[VOTE: jay] aubergine

[Esooa]

Honestly can probably just treat esooa Jay as a difference check lol

[VOTE: jay] aubergine

Explain

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Glad we are going 3/3 on lhf slots this game.

(yes sparkles was wolf but was still lhf)

A Syndicate classic

I think the problem is due to it being a smol game and not syndicate.

I mean, im sure thats part of it, but this is a very TS poe lol

Fair enough.

As someone who has played/hosted me the most in this playerlist, thots on Wilgz read on me.

Have not caught up yet, I had you as town when I left

Have caught up now, still have you as town, I understand his read but I think its wrong

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Honestly can probably just treat esooa Jay as a difference check lol

[VOTE: jay] aubergine

Explain

Kind of a gamestate read, coupled with respect for your reads if you're town, if you're mafia this is probably the line you have to take, so significantly high chance there's one between you two, and you've said nice things about me so ill go Jay first

[falcon45ca]

@DrWilgy I hope your surgery went well!!

Ty friend. It seems that it has.

Nice to see you back, glad the slishy slash slash went well

[falcon45ca]

Oh lookie, my POE of 2 are both voting the same slot.




Interesting

[Esooa]

There's a zero percent chance I put in more effort than jjj and a zero percent chance falcon doesn't vote me unless I do that

And probably extremely low for other players too

So

Talk to me about JJJ

Was thinking about either isoing to get more or just waiting to see what he does but I can't be bothered to do either

Jjj pressuring wilgy like he is is questionable imo. Everything I see wilgy post I read as pretty towny and I don't really care if he posts less at some point. And he made a post last day phase about me saying something irt he's conflicted on my alignment but more likely town, idc the specifics. This day phase has been pretty much nothing but people wolf reading me over literal nothings and jjj poked at it the tiniest bit but hasn't weighed in at all and atp he should have imo especially if he's actually conflicted and not sure on it. He's done what seems to be nothing to solve nanook and is just pushing him off to the side as a vote wherever. None of it seems like he's trying to actually form strong town reads or defend them all that much to me, especially if you look outside of the more concentrated point of reads where he did isos. Sure that's good but where's he forming and defending reads outside of that. This is all in a game where Alison and I both feel like it's pretty easily solved by PoE (Alison which died in the night btw)

Which also relates to most people aren't going to kill OW night 1 too. He posted not much at all, there's not really a pressing need to kill him. Especially after a wolf partner died and someone's alone, unless imo there's just not as much of a need to kill anyone

[falcon45ca]

There's a zero percent chance I put in more effort than jjj and a zero percent chance falcon doesn't vote me unless I do that

And probably extremely low for other players too

So

Why do you care about my vote?

[Esooa]

Honestly can probably just treat esooa Jay as a difference check lol

[VOTE: jay] aubergine

Explain

Kind of a gamestate read, coupled with respect for your reads if you're town, if you're mafia this is probably the line you have to take, so significantly high chance there's one between you two, and you've said nice things about me so ill go Jay first

My reads are bad

[Esooa]

There's a zero percent chance I put in more effort than jjj and a zero percent chance falcon doesn't vote me unless I do that

And probably extremely low for other players too

So

Why do you care about my vote?

Well

At the end of each day the player with the most votes dies

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Honestly can probably just treat esooa Jay as a difference check lol

[VOTE: jay] aubergine

Explain

Kind of a gamestate read, coupled with respect for your reads if you're town, if you're mafia this is probably the line you have to take, so significantly high chance there's one between you two, and you've said nice things about me so ill go Jay first

My reads are bad

So are mine, such is life

[falcon45ca]

There's a zero percent chance I put in more effort than jjj and a zero percent chance falcon doesn't vote me unless I do that

And probably extremely low for other players too

So

Why do you care about my vote?

Well

At the end of each day the player with the most votes dies

Is that how this game works?



It's just interesting you're particularly concerned about my vote

[Esooa]

I can also see sabi being a wolf but I'm not really inclined to try to solve them that much

Marmot no not really

Falcon no

Wilgy like 95% no

[Esooa]

There's a zero percent chance I put in more effort than jjj and a zero percent chance falcon doesn't vote me unless I do that

And probably extremely low for other players too

So

Why do you care about my vote?

Well

At the end of each day the player with the most votes dies

Is that how this game works?



It's just interesting you're particularly concerned about my vote

If you're going to vote me for something like.. not being overly confident for no reason in my reads which obviously means they're "hedgy" by default then ya, I'm doing nothing to change that and won't. And btw literally every game we've ever played you incorrectly and extremely frequently vote me for similar things so

[Esooa]

The other half of it is just that it's not easy to say vote jjj and get people to do it

At least not in my experience

But I'm not that inclined to vote anyone else unless someone actually provides good reason to

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Was thinking about either isoing to get more or just waiting to see what he does but I can't be bothered to do either

Jjj pressuring wilgy like he is is questionable imo. Everything I see wilgy post I read as pretty towny and I don't really care if he posts less at some point. And he made a post last day phase about me saying something irt he's conflicted on my alignment but more likely town, idc the specifics. This day phase has been pretty much nothing but people wolf reading me over literal nothings and jjj poked at it the tiniest bit but hasn't weighed in at all and atp he should have imo especially if he's actually conflicted and not sure on it. He's done what seems to be nothing to solve nanook and is just pushing him off to the side as a vote wherever. None of it seems like he's trying to actually form strong town reads or defend them all that much to me, especially if you look outside of the more concentrated point of reads where he did isos. Sure that's good but where's he forming and defending reads outside of that. This is all in a game where Alison and I both feel like it's pretty easily solved by PoE (Alison which died in the night btw)

Which also relates to most people aren't going to kill OW night 1 too. He posted not much at all, there's not really a pressing need to kill him. Especially after a wolf partner died and someone's alone, unless imo there's just not as much of a need to kill anyone

I don't think it's accurate to say that I have "pressured" Wilgy. I have expressed some vague uncertainty, and I will explore that further in due time whenever I get to it. That, and the other analytic efforts I have projected today but not yet attacked, are involved and cumbersome efforts beyond just engaging in the dialogues that occur in real time. That's what I have given my immediate focus, because that's what I have had time for. The rest will come later. With no hammer I have a long day in front of me for it.

I have reasonably confident town reads on Sabiplz, Marmot, and falcon. I lean town on DrWilgy. You and Nanook are pretty null. The current POE can go three deep, so consider the last three names to be that group.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm town. I think that should be evident in a face value interpretation of this game: I was an important part of chopping Sparkles on Day 1, and it takes very little time alive for me to invite generic tinfoil. That's not a winning proposition for me as mafia, and I know that better than anyone.

I'm also not playing at all like I just did in Halvosen Ridge as mafia.

[falcon45ca]

There's a zero percent chance I put in more effort than jjj and a zero percent chance falcon doesn't vote me unless I do that

And probably extremely low for other players too

So

Why do you care about my vote?

Well

At the end of each day the player with the most votes dies

Is that how this game works?



It's just interesting you're particularly concerned about my vote

If you're going to vote me for something like.. not being overly confident for no reason in my reads which obviously means they're "hedgy" by default then ya, I'm doing nothing to change that and won't. And btw literally every game we've ever played you incorrectly and extremely frequently vote me for similar things so

Haha, do I? Ita not intentional.


How often have I mislynched you?

[Esooa]

And even considering that if people would rather just say well jjj pushed the wolf more day 1 so you die instead which seems to be the vibe

It's wrong and I think my posts about the day 1 wolf are pretty clearing personally because they follow a very clear and expected thought process from town me but one that gets me nothing but wolf reads most of the time for wolf me

But also apparently pointing out true and correct things is wolfy too

Which as I've said

Sparkles was less obnoxious and more explainy across the board than as town. But that's a good thing. But sometimes people are like that. But it's been a decent while since I've played with them so maybe they're better about it now. I was 'hedgy ' about it sure but why would I in this position be certain on one side or another? And because of this. I was asking people about their thoughts about it. Every time I brought it up was framed as explaining my thoughts and asking about the applicability of it--exactly what I should do

And in the end, I still sheeped as I said in sparkles. I had so little interest in moving the wagon I didn't even know OW was one. My vote was a vanity vote on nanook who I town read. When presented the option to move to a counter wagon I didn't.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Honestly can probably just treat esooa Jay as a difference check lol

[VOTE: jay] aubergine

Explain

Kind of a gamestate read, coupled with respect for your reads if you're town, if you're mafia this is probably the line you have to take, so significantly high chance there's one between you two, and you've said nice things about me so ill go Jay first

What is it about the gamestate that suggests a difference check between Esooa and I?

[Esooa]

I'm town. I think that should be evident in a face value interpretation of this game: I was an important part of chopping Sparkles on Day 1, and it takes very little time alive for me to invite generic tinfoil. That's not a winning proposition for me as mafia, and I know that better than anyone.

I'm also not playing at all like I just did in Halvosen Ridge as mafia.

I think you can be town

But for the others, I see less of a reason for nanook to kill OW than I see you to buss. And I don't feel bad about any other living players

If I end up thinking you're more likely town maybe I'll vote nanook by EOD but idk

[Esooa]

There's a zero percent chance I put in more effort than jjj and a zero percent chance falcon doesn't vote me unless I do that

And probably extremely low for other players too

So

Why do you care about my vote?

Well

At the end of each day the player with the most votes dies

Is that how this game works?



It's just interesting you're particularly concerned about my vote

If you're going to vote me for something like.. not being overly confident for no reason in my reads which obviously means they're "hedgy" by default then ya, I'm doing nothing to change that and won't. And btw literally every game we've ever played you incorrectly and extremely frequently vote me for similar things so

Haha, do I? Ita not intentional.


How often have I mislynched you?

Idk exactly. But it's whatever

[Esooa]

I'm town. I think that should be evident in a face value interpretation of this game: I was an important part of chopping Sparkles on Day 1, and it takes very little time alive for me to invite generic tinfoil. That's not a winning proposition for me as mafia, and I know that better than anyone.

I'm also not playing at all like I just did in Halvosen Ridge as mafia.

I think you can be town

But for the others, I see less of a reason for nanook to kill OW than I see you to buss. And I don't feel bad about any other living players

If I end up thinking you're more likely town maybe I'll vote nanook by EOD but idk

And I've not read that game or your wolf games and don't particularly intend to lol

[Esooa]

And even considering that if people would rather just say well jjj pushed the wolf more day 1 so you die instead which seems to be the vibe

It's wrong and I think my posts about the day 1 wolf are pretty clearing personally because they follow a very clear and expected thought process from town me but one that gets me nothing but wolf reads most of the time for wolf me

But also apparently pointing out true and correct things is wolfy too

Which as I've said

Sparkles was less obnoxious and more explainy across the board than as town. But that's a good thing. But sometimes people are like that. But it's been a decent while since I've played with them so maybe they're better about it now. I was 'hedgy ' about it sure but why would I in this position be certain on one side or another? And because of this. I was asking people about their thoughts about it. Every time I brought it up was framed as explaining my thoughts and asking about the applicability of it--exactly what I should do

And in the end, I still sheeped as I said in sparkles. I had so little interest in moving the wagon I didn't even know OW was one. My vote was a vanity vote on nanook who I town read. When presented the option to move to a counter wagon I didn't.

And again explaining things like this isn't wolfy. The entire point is to even get here as a wolf I have to do random bullshit then argue my way out of it when instead I can just.. not. And not have to argue my way out of anything to begin with. At no point were my posts designed to get votes off sparkles. Pushing Lucy can be seen as such possibly but it was moreso out of annoyance and what I said day 1 of, I voted them to add to their wagon and see what I got out of it. I said as much and after I did is when I decided to move my vote off wagon to nanook on 1. None of it later on was moving pressure off of Sparkles or onto someone else.

Also pointing out my asking of OW for example about the Lucy read was *because* of my intention to sheep. I wanted to know if the read was sound and one I was okay with and I similarly give him my thoughts about sparkles to defer them

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

And I've not read that game or your wolf games and don't particularly intend to lol

I can provide a basic summary. A few others here played in that game who can affirm or refute.

I made a concerted effort to play with energy and noise, explicitly to fool Marmot who I figured could correctly interpret my energy if I didn't. I promoted a great deal of thick analysis with all the beautiful formatting flourishes to look the part, and I used them to kill townies. It was pure powerwolf until I essentially threw myself on the sword when I felt the time was right to leave my teammates a winning gamestate.

This game I'm pretty lazy by my standards tbh. I'm focused on larger priorities and am always tired.

[Esooa]

I don't know entirely what to think of nanook moving his position on me a bit.

My first thought would be that it's towny because I'm pretty vocally being basically his way out of the day and possibly other days because of defending him, and in the midst of that he moves his read of all game town on me to a possible wolf if jjj isn't. I think he stands to gain the most by keeping up the town read on me, but it's possible he just wants both me and jjj dead or something lol

Still I feel it's more towny

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'll reserve judgment on Nanook's difference check thing until I know more about why it exists.

[Sabiplz]

If I was town why would I fight so hard to kill the lucy wagon d1 and tell everyone that lucy isn't worth killing D2.

Would I not be opportunistic and take advantage of the misyeet?

Like. Yall saw me in two state, I have zero qualm killing lucy as wolf.