Mafia Misplay Mafia

[santygrass]

hot take: the people complaining the game is hard are the wolf team

who would that be

Funny because unless Im misremembering they were one lf the people that complained about that rofl

[santygrass]

Votecount asofrn

MacDougall (6) - Esooa, Drwilgz , santygrass, riisinq- , Lilypetal, Achromatic
Santygrass (5) - Jack, Hollowkatt, sabiplz, Neon, Porscha
Hollowkatt (2) - Nanook, MacDougall

[hollowkatt]

hot take: the people complaining the game is hard are the wolf team

who would that be

lilypetal is the first one that comes to mind

[hollowkatt]

hot take: the people complaining the game is hard are the wolf team

who would that be

Funny because unless Im misremembering they were one lf the people that complained about that rofl

I'm 100% a hypocrite.

[Lilypetal]

hot take: the people complaining the game is hard are the wolf team

who would that be

lilypetal is the first one that comes to mind

so true

[santygrass]

Hk/lilypetal/+1

Lets trust hk godsolve

[Esooa]

honestly a good portion of why I am leaving lily and esooa in my poe is exactly because of how they have interacted with each other, which is strong TR's for a long time. I am more suspicious because I don't particularly trust lily. it's possible it is not w/w, solid chance it's v/w w/v, but I don't think it's v/v.

I really haven't seen anything from you explaining what you don't like from Lily other than "a few posts sound icky" which I mean, I don't agree, so like

Yeah I'm sure you dont agree. You probably wouldnt even if I showed examples

useful

[Lilypetal]

the way i see this game is that santy/mac/hk contains a wolf and i flipped a coin and the coin flipped on heads which to me symbolized mac so i am going to trust in the coin

Why would you insist on voting off santy wagon

because im not confident santy is a wolf so i personally won't vote there

[Lilypetal]

@Porscha when you have time pls show me what's got you wolf reading me

[Porscha]

the way i see this game is that santy/mac/hk contains a wolf and i flipped a coin and the coin flipped on heads which to me symbolized mac so i am going to trust in the coin

Why would you insist on voting off santy wagon

You think Im wolf? Could you give me bullet points on what you think its more wolfy about me?
And your read on Mac/hk/Esooa ?

To be fair I'm also an idiot who ran into thread without looking at votes and seeing the wagon on you had already dissipated quite a bit so it's kind of a moot question at this point
Personally. Idk if you are wolf but unless you're like one of the 4-6 ppl getting a town read from me you're gonna be poe

Unsure if mac is lukewarm latke for various reasons, missing wolf meta context, etc
Hk idk man. Like I have a pretty good track record of finding non town HK in previous games and I didnt think he was wolfing here day 1 and I havent seen anything that makes me think he would still be wolf today but I do understand the pressure that his slot now has on the game and I'm unsure of how to deal with it best.
Esooa idk. I've agreed with some of their opinions / points but the lily hard shield all game has me kinda dry

Gotchaa, remind me your townreads?

Also, have you read nanook push regarding hk? That is what I am mostly sheeping to keep Hk as sus ftr

today i'm probs at neon, snow, achro, sabi tr. or at least not interested in those slots today

[Esooa]

Hi santy let's talk. If you are town do you really truly 100% believe in your heart visor was killed n1 while not sussing any scum?

I'd say like I am 75% sure of that. If Hk flips Wolf, I would be like a lot less sure lf that tho I'd say. Tho It will point most the suspicion at you cuz Lily/hk doesnt seem paired?
Also I think Lily/Mac doesnt seem paired also

Why so sure?

probably santy should answer this

[Porscha]

the way i see this game is that santy/mac/hk contains a wolf and i flipped a coin and the coin flipped on heads which to me symbolized mac so i am going to trust in the coin

Why would you insist on voting off santy wagon

because im not confident santy is a wolf so i personally won't vote there

this implies you are confident other people are wolves

[Porscha]

honestly a good portion of why I am leaving lily and esooa in my poe is exactly because of how they have interacted with each other, which is strong TR's for a long time. I am more suspicious because I don't particularly trust lily. it's possible it is not w/w, solid chance it's v/w w/v, but I don't think it's v/v.

I really haven't seen anything from you explaining what you don't like from Lily other than "a few posts sound icky" which I mean, I don't agree, so like

Yeah I'm sure you dont agree. You probably wouldnt even if I showed examples

useful

that's my motto (sorry I just haven't had a lot of time to sit and iso or remember what happened 60 pages ago cuz of work)

[Lilypetal]

the way i see this game is that santy/mac/hk contains a wolf and i flipped a coin and the coin flipped on heads which to me symbolized mac so i am going to trust in the coin

Why would you insist on voting off santy wagon

because im not confident santy is a wolf so i personally won't vote there

this implies you are confident other people are wolves

i am more confident mac is a wolf but still idk lol i just dont think mac is town whereas santy is plenty town

[Porscha]

the way i see this game is that santy/mac/hk contains a wolf and i flipped a coin and the coin flipped on heads which to me symbolized mac so i am going to trust in the coin

Why would you insist on voting off santy wagon

because im not confident santy is a wolf so i personally won't vote there

this implies you are confident other people are wolves

i am more confident mac is a wolf but still idk lol i just dont think mac is town whereas santy is plenty town

do you think santy's posting in the first 20 pages of the game wasn't stilted until he was able to get enough meat on the bones of the game to start contributing

[Esooa]

honestly a good portion of why I am leaving lily and esooa in my poe is exactly because of how they have interacted with each other, which is strong TR's for a long time. I am more suspicious because I don't particularly trust lily. it's possible it is not w/w, solid chance it's v/w w/v, but I don't think it's v/v.

I really haven't seen anything from you explaining what you don't like from Lily other than "a few posts sound icky" which I mean, I don't agree, so like

Yeah I'm sure you dont agree. You probably wouldnt even if I showed examples

useful

that's my motto (sorry I just haven't had a lot of time to sit and iso or remember what happened 60 pages ago cuz of work)

thats fine

[Porscha]

honestly a good portion of why I am leaving lily and esooa in my poe is exactly because of how they have interacted with each other, which is strong TR's for a long time. I am more suspicious because I don't particularly trust lily. it's possible it is not w/w, solid chance it's v/w w/v, but I don't think it's v/v.

I really haven't seen anything from you explaining what you don't like from Lily other than "a few posts sound icky" which I mean, I don't agree, so like

Yeah I'm sure you dont agree. You probably wouldnt even if I showed examples

can u show me examples? i dont see what you think is wolfy abt me and i townread you pretty strongly so im beginning to think im wrong

Wrong about what

my strong TR on you

well that's because you're a silly goose

[Lilypetal]

the way i see this game is that santy/mac/hk contains a wolf and i flipped a coin and the coin flipped on heads which to me symbolized mac so i am going to trust in the coin

Why would you insist on voting off santy wagon

because im not confident santy is a wolf so i personally won't vote there

this implies you are confident other people are wolves

i am more confident mac is a wolf but still idk lol i just dont think mac is town whereas santy is plenty town

do you think santy's posting in the first 20 pages of the game wasn't stilted until he was able to get enough meat on the bones of the game to start contributing

it was stilted for sure

[Porscha]

the way i see this game is that santy/mac/hk contains a wolf and i flipped a coin and the coin flipped on heads which to me symbolized mac so i am going to trust in the coin

Why would you insist on voting off santy wagon

because im not confident santy is a wolf so i personally won't vote there

this implies you are confident other people are wolves

i am more confident mac is a wolf but still idk lol i just dont think mac is town whereas santy is plenty town

is there a world where you ever vote hk today

[Lilypetal]

honestly a good portion of why I am leaving lily and esooa in my poe is exactly because of how they have interacted with each other, which is strong TR's for a long time. I am more suspicious because I don't particularly trust lily. it's possible it is not w/w, solid chance it's v/w w/v, but I don't think it's v/v.

I really haven't seen anything from you explaining what you don't like from Lily other than "a few posts sound icky" which I mean, I don't agree, so like

Yeah I'm sure you dont agree. You probably wouldnt even if I showed examples

can u show me examples? i dont see what you think is wolfy abt me and i townread you pretty strongly so im beginning to think im wrong

Wrong about what

my strong TR on you

well that's because you're a silly goose

not wrong..

[Esooa]

the fact the biggest thing Santy's managed to harp on for the scum read he's had on me the literal entire game is that I'm more inclined to read Neon as more town than risiinq, neon who has literally no other games on site and is playing like, idk how to say, but would be a complete newbie wolf while not one person in thread has said otherwise, is just so rudimentary and lol

[Esooa]

[VOTE: Santy] aubergine

[Esooa]

no clue how this game is still only day 2

[Esooa]

it should be over imo

[hollowkatt]

I blame everyone that has more than 300 posts

[Esooa]

I blame everyone that has more than 300 posts

I blame myself too

[hollowkatt]

post counts fwiw

[hollowkatt]

oh for fucks sake imgur

ok, bbiaf, finding a new image host

[Achromatic]

I see a broken image.

Anyway I am heading out. If I am the night kill its because I am the only one with WIM not because my reads are deadly accurate by definition, something to keep in mind.

glgl

Spoiler: show

Santy

Sorry if wrong bud, leave a legacy.

[Achromatic]

oops I meant to vote santy there lmao.

well I am voting santy now x)

[hollowkatt]

meh even flickr doesn't post images here correctly.

anyways, over 300:
sabi - 752
achro - 596
santy - 485
mac - 429
lily - 378
esooa - 359
porscha - 354
nanook - 306

[Esooa]

idk what to think of mac voting HK

Think it's kinda bad too, kinda thought he understood why achro was town reading HK last night and that's why he moved off HK a bit and him going back now just doesn't rly make sense to me

[Esooa]

ugh I wish this day was over lol

[Porscha]

idk what to think of mac voting HK

Think it's kinda bad too, kinda thought he understood why achro was town reading HK last night and that's why he moved off HK a bit and him going back now just doesn't rly make sense to me

mac wanted HK off at start of day as well. only went to santy to appease you I think. gave up on that and went back to his read on hk

[Achromatic]

This game is reminding me a bit of my champs qualifier where a lot of people have low wim/low time to put in effort so I am doing my best to not get stuck in one mindset but I am not sure if I am going to be able to re-evaluate correctly if I am off course here, but just got to do my best lol

[Esooa]

In that scenario if I was mafia with HK I would have started the day like:

Okay we just chop HK see you in 2 days.
Then after a while when I see Mac wagoned and HK not being wagoned I find a way to put my vote elsewhere pretty fast, I probably have a hair trigger for putting it back on him though.

Yes I know.

Which is why I don't think hk has any viable partners and is thus town.

Mac is squirming under the realization I took his world to its logical conclusion and it spells trouble for him lol

the posts around here are what I'm talking about

[Esooa]

This game is reminding me a bit of my champs qualifier where a lot of people have low wim/low time to put in effort so I am doing my best to not get stuck in one mindset but I am not sure if I am going to be able to re-evaluate correctly if I am off course here, but just got to do my best lol

sorry, hope I've helped at least a little

[Achromatic]

actually, you know what

[VOTE: mac] aubergine

I am voting mac out tomorrow anyway, and he is kind of retired already

Give me another day of santy effort posting over this tbh

[Esooa]

[VOTE: macdougall] aubergine

[Achromatic]

One thing I learned from my champs qualifier was not to eliminate people solving before people who arent even if you think they can both be scum.

At least this way I can get another day out of santy regardless of alignment. Mac is full potato now.

[Esooa]

One thing I learned from my champs qualifier was not to eliminate people solving before people who arent even if you think they can both be scum.

At least this way I can get another day out of santy regardless of alignment. Mac is full potato now.

yeah I can agree to that at least

[santygrass]

the way i see this game is that santy/mac/hk contains a wolf and i flipped a coin and the coin flipped on heads which to me symbolized mac so i am going to trust in the coin

Why would you insist on voting off santy wagon

You think Im wolf? Could you give me bullet points on what you think its more wolfy about me?
And your read on Mac/hk/Esooa ?

To be fair I'm also an idiot who ran into thread without looking at votes and seeing the wagon on you had already dissipated quite a bit so it's kind of a moot question at this point
Personally. Idk if you are wolf but unless you're like one of the 4-6 ppl getting a town read from me you're gonna be poe

Unsure if mac is lukewarm latke for various reasons, missing wolf meta context, etc
Hk idk man. Like I have a pretty good track record of finding non town HK in previous games and I didnt think he was wolfing here day 1 and I havent seen anything that makes me think he would still be wolf today but I do understand the pressure that his slot now has on the game and I'm unsure of how to deal with it best.
Esooa idk. I've agreed with some of their opinions / points but the lily hard shield all game has me kinda dry

Gotchaa, remind me your townreads?

Also, have you read nanook push regarding hk? That is what I am mostly sheeping to keep Hk as sus ftr

today i'm probs at neon, snow, achro, sabi tr. or at least not interested in those slots today

If you can point me at Neon Towny moments/convince me in V!Neon that would be great

[santygrass]

Hi santy let's talk. If you are town do you really truly 100% believe in your heart visor was killed n1 while not sussing any scum?

I'd say like I am 75% sure of that. If Hk flips Wolf, I would be like a lot less sure lf that tho I'd say. Tho It will point most the suspicion at you cuz Lily/hk doesnt seem paired?
Also I think Lily/Mac doesnt seem paired also

Why so sure?

probably santy should answer this

Already replied to itt

[Esooa]

I don't see it

[Achromatic]

Achro what do you think of mac

Oh hold on let me just peel off the tape of this secret read I posted earlier...

Okay so I didn't feel like he was being genuine with Sabi to start the game like he was just kind of phoning in the being offended by Sabi bit. At first I was like that meme of the guy looking at the butterfly thinking to myself 'is this partner distancing?' but then Sabi improved so I wasn't sure what to do about Mac. This is like a "not really a big deal" type of early read but I filed it away and then he just kind of kept the interaction going for a bit in what I found to be almost baiting to Sabi to say something to allow him to keep going.

Then like Wilgy called it out and I was like 'OH SHIT' Wilgy is town suddenly and it made me feel like I wasn't just imagining it. So I noted that as an early wolf ping.

I have a town read on Esooa so I don't like the vote there, and I also thought his discussion of maths and wagon formations came off a bit predatory. Obviously like it could be true but it contradicts my current landscape of the game and it's one of those things that sounds OK until you try lynching based off of it, its wrong, and suddenly its "oh I guess Achro is scum!" and then I am not and it's just a mess from there or some such.

Also I expected him to kinda dig into me a bit more here, smash my head open and see what spills out but he has been very hands off outside of a couple of questions and it gives the feeling like he is being a little cautious around me which doesn't feel great.

We'll see how day progresses but so far it's kind of like 'eh'

I'll let you in on a secret.

I am not really offended by things sabi says, I just compulsively react as though I am because I like it when she backtracks and says sorry lol. It makes me feel powerful.

I feel like this is true from Mac and he is wolf who regrets saying this as a defense against my early bad feelings on Sabi lol.

[Achromatic]

Achro what do you think of mac

Oh hold on let me just peel off the tape of this secret read I posted earlier...

Okay so I didn't feel like he was being genuine with Sabi to start the game like he was just kind of phoning in the being offended by Sabi bit. At first I was like that meme of the guy looking at the butterfly thinking to myself 'is this partner distancing?' but then Sabi improved so I wasn't sure what to do about Mac. This is like a "not really a big deal" type of early read but I filed it away and then he just kind of kept the interaction going for a bit in what I found to be almost baiting to Sabi to say something to allow him to keep going.

Then like Wilgy called it out and I was like 'OH SHIT' Wilgy is town suddenly and it made me feel like I wasn't just imagining it. So I noted that as an early wolf ping.

I have a town read on Esooa so I don't like the vote there, and I also thought his discussion of maths and wagon formations came off a bit predatory. Obviously like it could be true but it contradicts my current landscape of the game and it's one of those things that sounds OK until you try lynching based off of it, its wrong, and suddenly its "oh I guess Achro is scum!" and then I am not and it's just a mess from there or some such.

Also I expected him to kinda dig into me a bit more here, smash my head open and see what spills out but he has been very hands off outside of a couple of questions and it gives the feeling like he is being a little cautious around me which doesn't feel great.

We'll see how day progresses but so far it's kind of like 'eh'

I'll let you in on a secret.

I am not really offended by things sabi says, I just compulsively react as though I am because I like it when she backtracks and says sorry lol. It makes me feel powerful.

I feel like this is true from Mac and he is wolf who regrets saying this as a defense against my early bad feelings on Sabi lol.

Because after this he goes on to AtE the fuck out of Sabi interactions.

So like. Yeah.

[Porscha]

the way i see this game is that santy/mac/hk contains a wolf and i flipped a coin and the coin flipped on heads which to me symbolized mac so i am going to trust in the coin

Why would you insist on voting off santy wagon

You think Im wolf? Could you give me bullet points on what you think its more wolfy about me?
And your read on Mac/hk/Esooa ?

To be fair I'm also an idiot who ran into thread without looking at votes and seeing the wagon on you had already dissipated quite a bit so it's kind of a moot question at this point
Personally. Idk if you are wolf but unless you're like one of the 4-6 ppl getting a town read from me you're gonna be poe

Unsure if mac is lukewarm latke for various reasons, missing wolf meta context, etc
Hk idk man. Like I have a pretty good track record of finding non town HK in previous games and I didnt think he was wolfing here day 1 and I havent seen anything that makes me think he would still be wolf today but I do understand the pressure that his slot now has on the game and I'm unsure of how to deal with it best.
Esooa idk. I've agreed with some of their opinions / points but the lily hard shield all game has me kinda dry

Gotchaa, remind me your townreads?

Also, have you read nanook push regarding hk? That is what I am mostly sheeping to keep Hk as sus ftr

today i'm probs at neon, snow, achro, sabi tr. or at least not interested in those slots today

If you can point me at Neon Towny moments/convince me in V!Neon that would be great

I have to head to work and doubt i'll have time to do much except on my lunch break which will probs be about an hour before eod. I don't think i'll have the time or need to do neon iso for town case since they aren't going over today regardless

[santygrass]

the fact the biggest thing Santy's managed to harp on for the scum read he's had on me the literal entire game is that I'm more inclined to read Neon as more town than risiinq, neon who has literally no other games on site and is playing like, idk how to say, but would be a complete newbie wolf while not one person in thread has said otherwise, is just so rudimentary and lol

I dont think thats a fair analysis?
Like, for starters I started sussing you for your debunking on the Visor/Ris scumreads, and still weirded by your read on ris.
Then I compare with how you read Neon and it pings me.
The way you read me I feel like a lot of undeciding and mostly you adapting to thread , tbfh.
And like, if HK is town, you are not being protown in the slightlest, with room to doubt if Mac is a wolf imo.

Do you think you have been towny for me to not sus you?

[Achromatic]

Achro what do you think of mac

Oh hold on let me just peel off the tape of this secret read I posted earlier...

Okay so I didn't feel like he was being genuine with Sabi to start the game like he was just kind of phoning in the being offended by Sabi bit. At first I was like that meme of the guy looking at the butterfly thinking to myself 'is this partner distancing?' but then Sabi improved so I wasn't sure what to do about Mac. This is like a "not really a big deal" type of early read but I filed it away and then he just kind of kept the interaction going for a bit in what I found to be almost baiting to Sabi to say something to allow him to keep going.

Then like Wilgy called it out and I was like 'OH SHIT' Wilgy is town suddenly and it made me feel like I wasn't just imagining it. So I noted that as an early wolf ping.

I have a town read on Esooa so I don't like the vote there, and I also thought his discussion of maths and wagon formations came off a bit predatory. Obviously like it could be true but it contradicts my current landscape of the game and it's one of those things that sounds OK until you try lynching based off of it, its wrong, and suddenly its "oh I guess Achro is scum!" and then I am not and it's just a mess from there or some such.

Also I expected him to kinda dig into me a bit more here, smash my head open and see what spills out but he has been very hands off outside of a couple of questions and it gives the feeling like he is being a little cautious around me which doesn't feel great.

We'll see how day progresses but so far it's kind of like 'eh'

I'll let you in on a secret.

I am not really offended by things sabi says, I just compulsively react as though I am because I like it when she backtracks and says sorry lol. It makes me feel powerful.

I feel like this is true from Mac and he is wolf who regrets saying this as a defense against my early bad feelings on Sabi lol.

Because after this he goes on to AtE the fuck out of Sabi interactions.

So like. Yeah.

@Porscha @Sabiplz

So I think of two things here

1) Mac was lying originally to cover up for his early iffy interactions with Sabi. Should be scum indicative.

2) Mac was lying when he got "tilted" about Sabi's treatment of him later re: it affecting his play in dramatic ways as we've seen in this game.

Either way I feel like booting Mac makes the most sense today, not like anyone is suddenly going to go 'we love santy for no reason' tomorrow. I hope.

If this doesn't sway you fair enough, I just thought it was a stark contrast with how Mac has handled being AtE'd in the past as town.

[santygrass]

So, thats not an 'Lily town never rescind' position, but like a comfy town view.

I'd say I have a townlean on you that is like boosted by how I think your approach is healthy for the gamestate and your evaluation of some situations feels towny. But if I think tha the wagons rn are T/T/T , I'd say you can be a woof pushing for that gamestate rn. And you replying to mu question with Esooa is like, also fair, but dont think Esooa did much to pish to this situation? So idk .

So it would be 75% me/lily/you are town
20% you are scum
5% lily is scum

Maybe the number not so accurate huh. Maybe a 70/20/10 fits more nicely into my view rn

It was this one @Esooa . I think some posts up from that one I explained a little on why my confidence on Lily too