King of the Hill Mafia

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@staypositivefriend @Boquise @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME I don't really recall having seen Creature actually getting this panicked when run up. Is this more indicative of his town or mafia reaction to being wagoned?

I think it's a pretty townie reaction

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

@staypositivefriend @Boquise @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME I don't really recall having seen Creature actually getting this panicked when run up. Is this more indicative of his town or mafia reaction to being wagoned?

I think it's a pretty townie reaction

Lmao

[Seanzie]

The fact that Seanzie is alive and Mac is dead is also something that doesn't happen in the world I am scum.

This just isn't true. 1.) didn't talk about you at all D2 aside from extremely early, 2.) Mac is Mac, and 3.) if I died last night, the chances of people wanting heads in (Alison/Mac/Boq/SPF) would have skyrocketed. If I'm right, at least two wolves are in that group above, so killing me would have been suicide.

[Seanzie]

The fact that Seanzie is alive and Mac is dead is also something that doesn't happen in the world I am scum.

Like... the more I think about this... the more this is just so wrong it kind of has to be outing coming from a Boq-level player.

[arogame123]

One of the most Intresting things to be though is that yesterday I asked you if the games I linked you had given you any insight into my playstyle and you had said that you read them and they didn't give you any pause or reason to change your thoughts on me.

But now today you've read them and your convinced I'm scum based on one of them. One that I'm pretty sure I linked to you.

You are correct in that I read your games and they didn’t do much for me, as I had you in my PoE yesterday. The games themselves didn’t do much for me, and when pondering about teams yesterday, and when I had you and Alison, I thought hey, let me check your mafia gc. So I joined the gc during the night phase and saw a couple of things you said about your play when you are mafia.

I noted that those things you said have been similar here which I pointed out earlier, which is why I think you are mafia.

Additionally, you said I’d been using meta to town case myself for the game, which is not true and just a magnification of my response to Lily lol.

It seems to me that you just pick and choose your reads based off little reasoning, and have not showed much re-evaluation at all in regards to my slot as well, which I find very scummy from your play.

[arogame123]

Also, I may or may not be getting drunk tn so enjoy.

[arogame123]

Imma let some stuff sit and sleep on it and provide an updated reads list tomorrow.

[Lilypetal]

Also, I may or may not be getting drunk tn so enjoy.

i will.

[arogame123]

@Lilypetal since you seem to be sr Neón as well, can you take a look at the recent post I made with the screenshots from a mafia gc that Neón was in and lmk ur thoughts please?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

One of the most Intresting things to be though is that yesterday I asked you if the games I linked you had given you any insight into my playstyle and you had said that you read them and they didn't give you any pause or reason to change your thoughts on me.

But now today you've read them and your convinced I'm scum based on one of them. One that I'm pretty sure I linked to you.

You are correct in that I read your games and they didn’t do much for me, as I had you in my PoE yesterday. The games themselves didn’t do much for me, and when pondering about teams yesterday, and when I had you and Alison, I thought hey, let me check your mafia gc. So I joined the gc during the night phase and saw a couple of things you said about your play when you are mafia.

I noted that those things you said have been similar here which I pointed out earlier, which is why I think you are mafia.

Additionally, you said I’d been using meta to town case myself for the game, which is not true and just a magnification of my response to Lily lol.

It seems to me that you just pick and choose your reads based off little reasoning, and have not showed much re-evaluation at all in regards to my slot as well, which I find very scummy from your play.

Kinda sus ngl

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I've tried to ISO 3 times today on Aro. I'll be honest I just don't have the mental capacity to like pull quotes and shit.

[Lilypetal]

@Lilypetal since you seem to be sr Neón as well, can you take a look at the recent post I made with the screenshots from a mafia gc that Neón was in and lmk ur thoughts please?

thought it was spot on, i mean she'd mad diff this game than she was in the game that just ended that I was in with her and she claims it's changing playstyle but idk seems like a wolfy excuse at this point

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

@Lilypetal since you seem to be sr Neón as well, can you take a look at the recent post I made with the screenshots from a mafia gc that Neón was in and lmk ur thoughts please?

thought it was spot on, i mean she'd mad diff this game than she was in the game that just ended that I was in with her and she claims it's changing playstyle but idk seems like a wolfy excuse at this point

Wanna kill me and find out? Wasting another day is only beneficial if your woofers.

I don't see how I'm that much different other than that I memed more. I think a lot of people are very heavily misrepresenting my play here and it's not really helping me find anyone town which is really hurting my ability to even play the game.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

So spell it out for me. How am I different?

[Lilypetal]

@Lilypetal since you seem to be sr Neón as well, can you take a look at the recent post I made with the screenshots from a mafia gc that Neón was in and lmk ur thoughts please?

thought it was spot on, i mean she'd mad diff this game than she was in the game that just ended that I was in with her and she claims it's changing playstyle but idk seems like a wolfy excuse at this point

Wanna kill me and find out? Wasting another day is only beneficial if your woofers.

I don't see how I'm that much different other than that I memed more. I think a lot of people are very heavily misrepresenting my play here and it's not really helping me find anyone town which is really hurting my ability to even play the game.

no i rather flip the correct player

[arogame123]

Holy fuck, I’m walking on clouds rn

[arogame123]

I thought I’d come in here to say hi and I love you all.

[arogame123]

Moms spaghetti

[Lilypetal]

love u too aro

[arogame123]

love u too aro

Lily-sama, you’re the nicest player I’ve ever met. I’m glad to be a part of the new era with u hehe

Ty for all the great experiences

[Seanzie]

Alison->Boq-> continue the game.

[staypositivefriend]

ok im drunk and catching up with the game rn if anyone wants to talk about anything

[Lilypetal]

love u too aro

Lily-sama, you’re the nicest player I’ve ever met. I’m glad to be a part of the new era with u hehe

Ty for all the great experiences

uwu

[Lilypetal]

ok im drunk and catching up with the game rn if anyone wants to talk about anything

hello drunk spf

what is ur solve once alison flips v

[arogame123]

We may be losing rn, but I promise you, we will win this game and kill all the mafia Hehe.

I’m the king of the pirates

[staypositivefriend]

Day1
Alison (6): Neon, Porscha, Falcon, Seanzie, Jack, Rondo

Falcon (7): Creature, Aro, Alison, Mac, Lucy, SPF, Nanook

Porscha (2): Boq, Lily

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Day2
Creature (7): Alison, Seanzie, staypositivefriend, Lilypetal, MacDougall, Boquise, RondoDimBuckleim

Alison (4): Porscha, arogame123, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, lucy

arogame123 (1): Neon

Neon (1): Creature

there's zero way that the alison wagon is pure here regardless of alsion's alignment fwiw. if alison is town then it's almost a guarantee that there was at least one wolf on her taking advantage of the push and if alison is mafia then it's difficult to see a world in which at least one wolf wasn't bussing to get cred from it in the future. i see basically zero worlds where the scum team all voted outside of alison regardless of what alison's alignment is

[arogame123]

ok im drunk and catching up with the game rn if anyone wants to talk about anything

Omg I’m drunk tooo.

Drunk mindmeld hehe

Idk if I can focus on the game as much but let’s see

[staypositivefriend]

Alison can be the chop but we are not going to spend 48 hours just doing the same old pushes again. It is bad for the game state, it is lazy, it is anti-town. Yesterday sucked because we only had two options through the whole day

yeah

i think part of my frustration with this gamestate, regardless of alison's alignment, is that it feels like 90% of the game is part of an inside joke that they won't let me in on

in spite of everything that's happened, it's still not even clear to me why people scumread alison throughout d1. what did she do that was wolf-indicative? why was she wolftelling? mac is the one who came the closest to giving a legitimate answer but i've seen basically zero reasoning from anyone that wasn't him. and again, why was alison one of the main wagons on d2? why does everyone agree that she needs to be killed today? what did she do???

it's seriously exasperating for everyone to be tunneled on alison without having a single clue how they got to her being a wolf or what she has done that is scum indicative - it feels like the game is stuck in this self-fulfilling prophesy of "alison needs to be chopped because she's been in contention for so long" but it's abundantly unclear what led to her being in contention in the first place

i just don't get it i guess

[staypositivefriend]

Alison can be the chop but we are not going to spend 48 hours just doing the same old pushes again. It is bad for the game state, it is lazy, it is anti-town. Yesterday sucked because we only had two options through the whole day

I'm fine with this as long as Alison goes over in the end. Saving Alison again is game losing at this point.

but WHY is it game losing? what do you think alison's alignment is? if you think she's a wolf, then why????

[Lilypetal]

Alison can be the chop but we are not going to spend 48 hours just doing the same old pushes again. It is bad for the game state, it is lazy, it is anti-town. Yesterday sucked because we only had two options through the whole day

yeah

i think part of my frustration with this gamestate, regardless of alison's alignment, is that it feels like 90% of the game is part of an inside joke that they won't let me in on

in spite of everything that's happened, it's still not even clear to me why people scumread alison throughout d1. what did she do that was wolf-indicative? why was she wolftelling? mac is the one who came the closest to giving a legitimate answer but i've seen basically zero reasoning from anyone that wasn't him. and again, why was alison one of the main wagons on d2? why does everyone agree that she needs to be killed today? what did she do???

it's seriously exasperating for everyone to be tunneled on alison without having a single clue how they got to her being a wolf or what she has done that is scum indicative - it feels like the game is stuck in this self-fulfilling prophesy of "alison needs to be chopped because she's been in contention for so long" but it's abundantly unclear what led to her being in contention in the first place

i just don't get it i guess

she just became a wagon because she suggested a poe of inactive/lower posting players and they retaliated by voting her and it just stuck ig

[staypositivefriend]

neon is pinging me quite a lot on page 69

[Lilypetal]

neon is pinging me quite a lot on page 69

explain?

[Lilypetal]

u dont have to if u dont want to im just rly curious

[arogame123]

neon is pinging me quite a lot on page 69

That’s one of the few things we agree ok lol.

What specifically about 69 (heheh 69) pinged you out?

[arogame123]

neon is pinging me quite a lot on page 69

explain?

Wow, are we on the same wavelength rn?

[Lilypetal]

hehe 69

[staypositivefriend]

Also @staypositivefriend , how were you town reading Alison for her read/progression on you?

Like I even pointed out that the way Alison was reading you as mafia was very weird esp in the world where you are town. Since Alison was sr you, despite how you were agreeing with her pov of creature being mafia and were defending her. It is very odd to me that you kind of dismissed that from Alison as her read on you did not feel organic in any way tbh.

Also, not only were some of Alison's reasonings for reads not good, she has also pushed on Jack (died town), pushed creature (died town), and from your perspective SPF, Alison has been pushing you as well.

So from your POV SPF, Alison has pushed on 3 town, so even if you want to give her the benefit of the doubt with "pelts," that argument also fails. So I am wondering why you were defending Alison yesterday and if you still believe she is town today despite this?

okay i can give a longer response to this now

i guess my question for you is: why should i scumread alison for reading me as mafia? why is it not OK for me to townread her because she's scumreading me? i care much more about whether her read is coming from an authentic place and whether it makes strategic sense than whether or not the read is "correct". i think alison's progression on me makes sense from an alison!town POV, which is why i don't find it wolfy that she has pushed on me even though the reasoning behind her push is honestly kind of horrible

it's true that alison has pushed on mainly town so far, and it's also true that i think the best way to read alison is by her results, so i think the fact that we are on d3 and she hasn't provided us with any pelts yet is the most compelling argument for her being a wolf. even so, the fact that she's been in such a precarious and bizarre position makes me feel like she would be less likely to successfully find the mafia in a world where she's town, and if i was in her shoes as a villager i imagine it would be difficult to correctly analyze the gamestate. so, i think her inaccuracy in this game is slightly less concerning to me when i take into consideration the bizarre context that the game is in

[arogame123]

Alison can be the chop but we are not going to spend 48 hours just doing the same old pushes again. It is bad for the game state, it is lazy, it is anti-town. Yesterday sucked because we only had two options through the whole day

yeah

i think part of my frustration with this gamestate, regardless of alison's alignment, is that it feels like 90% of the game is part of an inside joke that they won't let me in on

in spite of everything that's happened, it's still not even clear to me why people scumread alison throughout d1. what did she do that was wolf-indicative? why was she wolftelling? mac is the one who came the closest to giving a legitimate answer but i've seen basically zero reasoning from anyone that wasn't him. and again, why was alison one of the main wagons on d2? why does everyone agree that she needs to be killed today? what did she do???

it's seriously exasperating for everyone to be tunneled on alison without having a single clue how they got to her being a wolf or what she has done that is scum indicative - it feels like the game is stuck in this self-fulfilling prophesy of "alison needs to be chopped because she's been in contention for so long" but it's abundantly unclear what led to her being in contention in the first place

i just don't get it i guess

I just read through half the post and it seems like you don’t agree with the Alison chop. I have a post earlier to explain why I believe alison is scummy from a reads perspective and even a pelts perspective!!!

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

@Lilypetal since you seem to be sr Neón as well, can you take a look at the recent post I made with the screenshots from a mafia gc that Neón was in and lmk ur thoughts please?

thought it was spot on, i mean she'd mad diff this game than she was in the game that just ended that I was in with her and she claims it's changing playstyle but idk seems like a wolfy excuse at this point

Wanna kill me and find out? Wasting another day is only beneficial if your woofers.

I don't see how I'm that much different other than that I memed more. I think a lot of people are very heavily misrepresenting my play here and it's not really helping me find anyone town which is really hurting my ability to even play the game.

no i rather flip the correct player

Than don't kill me

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Day1
Alison (6): Neon, Porscha, Falcon, Seanzie, Jack, Rondo

Falcon (7): Creature, Aro, Alison, Mac, Lucy, SPF, Nanook

Porscha (2): Boq, Lily

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Day2
Creature (7): Alison, Seanzie, staypositivefriend, Lilypetal, MacDougall, Boquise, RondoDimBuckleim

Alison (4): Porscha, arogame123, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, lucy

arogame123 (1): Neon

Neon (1): Creature

there's zero way that the alison wagon is pure here regardless of alsion's alignment fwiw. if alison is town then it's almost a guarantee that there was at least one wolf on her taking advantage of the push and if alison is mafia then it's difficult to see a world in which at least one wolf wasn't bussing to get cred from it in the future. i see basically zero worlds where the scum team all voted outside of alison regardless of what alison's alignment is

I agree the problem is I have no idea who.

[arogame123]

Ok, so if Alison is town spf, who would u want to kill tofay?

Let’s say u had a Vigi shot and Alison is green checked, who would you want to kill?

[staypositivefriend]

Also, I was thinking about this more.

At first, when I was re-reading the thread EoD, I thought Lily's treatment of creature felt kinda wolfy esp seeing how Creature was town, since Lily was kind of just continuing to scum read and treating Creature like a "confirmed mafia," which gave me flashbacks to how Santy treated Jmwjmw in Champs Semi 1, when Santy was mafia.

But I was thinking of in addition to the sponge read from SPF on Lily, but also in the world with ALison being town or mafia.

Lily's movement of votes EoD 1 is less likely to come from a mafia esp if the wagons are v/v for the reasons I was explaining yesterday, and the more I thought about it, I am not sure if Lily is with Alison if she is mafia.

The reasoning is bc when Alison made the "slave" comment towards Lily, I felt like Lily was geniuilly pissed off and taken away by that and was pretty angry at Alison for even suggesting a thing. Like her comment of "I do what I want" felt somewhat townie but also livid towards Alison for her treatment. Now I wouldn't put it past Alison to speak like that to a partner if she is mafia, but I think Lily's reaction to it is a bit more telling and likely not w/w with Alison either.

Lmk if anyone has thoughts on this.

i agree that lily/alison are blatantly dissociated because of this yeah

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

neon is pinging me quite a lot on page 69

Nice

[arogame123]

hehe 69

69 is the best position tbh

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Alison can be the chop but we are not going to spend 48 hours just doing the same old pushes again. It is bad for the game state, it is lazy, it is anti-town. Yesterday sucked because we only had two options through the whole day

I'm fine with this as long as Alison goes over in the end. Saving Alison again is game losing at this point.

but WHY is it game losing? what do you think alison's alignment is? if you think she's a wolf, then why????

I've explained at least twice why Alison needs to die or we lose.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

*sigh*

[staypositivefriend]

boq/Alison/lily

alison and lily are not teamed

who else is in ur POE

[arogame123]

Also @staypositivefriend , how were you town reading Alison for her read/progression on you?

Like I even pointed out that the way Alison was reading you as mafia was very weird esp in the world where you are town. Since Alison was sr you, despite how you were agreeing with her pov of creature being mafia and were defending her. It is very odd to me that you kind of dismissed that from Alison as her read on you did not feel organic in any way tbh.

Also, not only were some of Alison's reasonings for reads not good, she has also pushed on Jack (died town), pushed creature (died town), and from your perspective SPF, Alison has been pushing you as well.

So from your POV SPF, Alison has pushed on 3 town, so even if you want to give her the benefit of the doubt with "pelts," that argument also fails. So I am wondering why you were defending Alison yesterday and if you still believe she is town today despite this?

okay i can give a longer response to this now

i guess my question for you is: why should i scumread alison for reading me as mafia? why is it not OK for me to townread her because she's scumreading me? i care much more about whether her read is coming from an authentic place and whether it makes strategic sense than whether or not the read is "correct". i think alison's progression on me makes sense from an alison!town POV, which is why i don't find it wolfy that she has pushed on me even though the reasoning behind her push is honestly kind of horrible

it's true that alison has pushed on mainly town so far, and it's also true that i think the best way to read alison is by her results, so i think the fact that we are on d3 and she hasn't provided us with any pelts yet is the most compelling argument for her being a wolf. even so, the fact that she's been in such a precarious and bizarre position makes me feel like she would be less likely to successfully find the mafia in a world where she's town, and if i was in her shoes as a villager i imagine it would be difficult to correctly analyze the gamestate. so, i think her inaccuracy in this game is slightly less concerning to me when i take into consideration the bizarre context that the game is in

Wow, this is rich coming from you tbh, you’re giving Alison the benefit of the doubt for being in a “wrong gamestate” and when creature was in a similar position, you piled on him like there was no tomorrow?? WhTs that about?


Also, it’s not the “objective” read itself, it’s the progression and the way she came to the read that she believes you are mafia bc of the Jack NK despite how you were treating her. Like, she just mafia read u mainly off that and that she’s afraid she’s on your side in a pocket way?

[staypositivefriend]

The fact that Seanzie is alive and Mac is dead is also something that doesn't happen in the world I am scum.

this seems like a bad argument. are you really telling me that if you were a wolf you would kill one of the people who was the most aggressively hard tunneled on you and who would make you look awful?

[staypositivefriend]

ok im drunk and catching up with the game rn if anyone wants to talk about anything

hello drunk spf

what is ur solve once alison flips v