King of the Hill Mafia

[RondoDimBuckle]

also you said you wanted me dead but you'd honor boq's legacy if he flipped V. i do not understand how you thought i was a wolf

You act wolfy

[Lilypetal]

like i get u said "i rather spf than boq" but ur eod makes it seem like u literally do not care who dies tbh

you also helped bury boq by using the same lame shit everyone else was saying

so idk lol ur vote ended on spf for "wagenomics" whatever that infers but your eod says a diff story

rondo if you can point out a single inaccuracy in my case, i will selfvote right now and keep it to the EOD. this is in your best interest since you want me to get killed today

no wolf team is this obviously paired this close to lylo so one of Lily/SPF is wolf not both (Worst case)

well using the same legacy u want to bury spf for you know im not a wolf?

[Lilypetal]

also you said you wanted me dead but you'd honor boq's legacy if he flipped V. i do not understand how you thought i was a wolf

You act wolfy

oh true

[RondoDimBuckle]

i think rondo voted for seanzie for a while because he wanted to look unpartnered with him, and not because they're actually unaligned. rondo giving lip service to seanzie being mafia and then voting me anyway just makes both of them look worse

I wish I had the ability to state with certainty what is going on in other peoples heads

I voted Seanzie because I wanted him to do more than just sit there

I am voting you because as I said Boqs EOD yesterday was focused around you. You are pushing me, no one else is as hard as you (Lily is a close second), So it is anti town for me to let you kill me since only a wolf would go for such low hanging fruit this close to lylo. Plus Boq sacrificed himself and called for you at the same moment. I wanted him to vote you so we could jump on you. I wanted to jump on boq to stop the tie because his self vote made it impossible, but Wilgy did it instead. I stayed on you with the express hopes that Wilgy would be able to come back over to you. Dont act like me getting on you now is in any way an indication on my thoughts on Seanzie.

i literally just reread your eod and this at least to me doesn't feel like what happened

Because you dont know me that well

[staypositivefriend]

Rondo why haven't you taken me up on my offer? If you can point to one inaccuracy in my case, I will willingly die today. You claim to have seen inaccuracies in my case, so this should be trivially easy for you to point out

[RondoDimBuckle]

like i get u said "i rather spf than boq" but ur eod makes it seem like u literally do not care who dies tbh

you also helped bury boq by using the same lame shit everyone else was saying

so idk lol ur vote ended on spf for "wagenomics" whatever that infers but your eod says a diff story

rondo if you can point out a single inaccuracy in my case, i will selfvote right now and keep it to the EOD. this is in your best interest since you want me to get killed today

no wolf team is this obviously paired this close to lylo so one of Lily/SPF is wolf not both (Worst case)

well using the same legacy u want to bury spf for you know im not a wolf?

Yes, I would say that makes sense but I am still not certain SPF is a wolf. I could be wrong I dont have full information on this game. I know Boq wanted her and she has been doing my head in all game and Nanook wants her for [REDACTED] thats enough for me to want to resolve her, even if we removed Boqs kill order. She is who I would want most today, then seanzie or you, then Aero

[RondoDimBuckle]

Rondo why haven't you taken me up on my offer? If you can point to one inaccuracy in my case, I will willingly die today. You claim to have seen inaccuracies in my case, so this should be trivially easy for you to point out

Because you are misrepresenting what I am saying intentionally so there is no point engaging with you

[Lilypetal]

i think rondo voted for seanzie for a while because he wanted to look unpartnered with him, and not because they're actually unaligned. rondo giving lip service to seanzie being mafia and then voting me anyway just makes both of them look worse

I wish I had the ability to state with certainty what is going on in other peoples heads

I voted Seanzie because I wanted him to do more than just sit there

I am voting you because as I said Boqs EOD yesterday was focused around you. You are pushing me, no one else is as hard as you (Lily is a close second), So it is anti town for me to let you kill me since only a wolf would go for such low hanging fruit this close to lylo. Plus Boq sacrificed himself and called for you at the same moment. I wanted him to vote you so we could jump on you. I wanted to jump on boq to stop the tie because his self vote made it impossible, but Wilgy did it instead. I stayed on you with the express hopes that Wilgy would be able to come back over to you. Dont act like me getting on you now is in any way an indication on my thoughts on Seanzie.

i literally just reread your eod and this at least to me doesn't feel like what happened

Because you dont know me that well

sure i have trouble reading people i dont know as well which is why I haven't rly dealt with your slot all game. I just don't really see how your thoughts of eod relate to the reality of the situation where you seemed more like a spectator rather than someone really hoping spf died.

i'm not even like necessarily fully sold on you being a wolf tbh but we'll see

[Lilypetal]

Rondo why haven't you taken me up on my offer? If you can point to one inaccuracy in my case, I will willingly die today. You claim to have seen inaccuracies in my case, so this should be trivially easy for you to point out

Because you are misrepresenting what I am saying intentionally so there is no point engaging with you

i mean it's not just abt engaging with spf it's about presenting your thought process and work for everyone else to see

[Lilypetal]

like i get u said "i rather spf than boq" but ur eod makes it seem like u literally do not care who dies tbh

you also helped bury boq by using the same lame shit everyone else was saying

so idk lol ur vote ended on spf for "wagenomics" whatever that infers but your eod says a diff story

rondo if you can point out a single inaccuracy in my case, i will selfvote right now and keep it to the EOD. this is in your best interest since you want me to get killed today

no wolf team is this obviously paired this close to lylo so one of Lily/SPF is wolf not both (Worst case)

well using the same legacy u want to bury spf for you know im not a wolf?

Yes, I would say that makes sense but I am still not certain SPF is a wolf. I could be wrong I dont have full information on this game. I know Boq wanted her and she has been doing my head in all game and Nanook wants her for [REDACTED] thats enough for me to want to resolve her, even if we removed Boqs kill order. She is who I would want most today, then seanzie or you, then Aero

okay, so let's say we flip spf V tonight and then porscha gets NKed

what do you do in f5?

[RondoDimBuckle]

i think rondo voted for seanzie for a while because he wanted to look unpartnered with him, and not because they're actually unaligned. rondo giving lip service to seanzie being mafia and then voting me anyway just makes both of them look worse

I wish I had the ability to state with certainty what is going on in other peoples heads

I voted Seanzie because I wanted him to do more than just sit there

I am voting you because as I said Boqs EOD yesterday was focused around you. You are pushing me, no one else is as hard as you (Lily is a close second), So it is anti town for me to let you kill me since only a wolf would go for such low hanging fruit this close to lylo. Plus Boq sacrificed himself and called for you at the same moment. I wanted him to vote you so we could jump on you. I wanted to jump on boq to stop the tie because his self vote made it impossible, but Wilgy did it instead. I stayed on you with the express hopes that Wilgy would be able to come back over to you. Dont act like me getting on you now is in any way an indication on my thoughts on Seanzie.

i literally just reread your eod and this at least to me doesn't feel like what happened

Because you dont know me that well

sure i have trouble reading people i dont know as well which is why I haven't rly dealt with your slot all game. I just don't really see how your thoughts of eod relate to the reality of the situation where you seemed more like a spectator rather than someone really hoping spf died.

i'm not even like necessarily fully sold on you being a wolf tbh but we'll see

look at what I said to Wilgy after he moved on Boq when I voted him but didnt actually move. I basically offer my vote to Wilgy, we now know he is town. Why would a wolf do that at an EOD so close?

[staypositivefriend]

Rondo why haven't you taken me up on my offer? If you can point to one inaccuracy in my case, I will willingly die today. You claim to have seen inaccuracies in my case, so this should be trivially easy for you to point out

Because you are misrepresenting what I am saying intentionally so there is no point engaging with you

what am I misrepresenting rn?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Rondo why haven't you taken me up on my offer? If you can point to one inaccuracy in my case, I will willingly die today. You claim to have seen inaccuracies in my case, so this should be trivially easy for you to point out

Because you are misrepresenting what I am saying intentionally so there is no point engaging with you

i mean it's not just abt engaging with spf it's about presenting your thought process and work for everyone else to see

which offers her more words to twist. I already said it doesnt say what you think it says. I can see how someone could see it. but even a wolf can put together an argument that makes sense

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

i think rondo voted for seanzie for a while because he wanted to look unpartnered with him, and not because they're actually unaligned. rondo giving lip service to seanzie being mafia and then voting me anyway just makes both of them look worse

I wish I had the ability to state with certainty what is going on in other peoples heads

I voted Seanzie because I wanted him to do more than just sit there

I am voting you because as I said Boqs EOD yesterday was focused around you. You are pushing me, no one else is as hard as you (Lily is a close second), So it is anti town for me to let you kill me since only a wolf would go for such low hanging fruit this close to lylo. Plus Boq sacrificed himself and called for you at the same moment. I wanted him to vote you so we could jump on you. I wanted to jump on boq to stop the tie because his self vote made it impossible, but Wilgy did it instead. I stayed on you with the express hopes that Wilgy would be able to come back over to you. Dont act like me getting on you now is in any way an indication on my thoughts on Seanzie.

i literally just reread your eod and this at least to me doesn't feel like what happened

Because you dont know me that well

sure i have trouble reading people i dont know as well which is why I haven't rly dealt with your slot all game. I just don't really see how your thoughts of eod relate to the reality of the situation where you seemed more like a spectator rather than someone really hoping spf died.

i'm not even like necessarily fully sold on you being a wolf tbh but we'll see

look at what I said to Wilgy after he moved on Boq when I voted him but didnt actually move. I basically offer my vote to Wilgy, we now know he is town. Why would a wolf do that at an EOD so close?

That only matters if spf is mafia yeah

[RondoDimBuckle]

like i get u said "i rather spf than boq" but ur eod makes it seem like u literally do not care who dies tbh

you also helped bury boq by using the same lame shit everyone else was saying

so idk lol ur vote ended on spf for "wagenomics" whatever that infers but your eod says a diff story

rondo if you can point out a single inaccuracy in my case, i will selfvote right now and keep it to the EOD. this is in your best interest since you want me to get killed today

no wolf team is this obviously paired this close to lylo so one of Lily/SPF is wolf not both (Worst case)

well using the same legacy u want to bury spf for you know im not a wolf?

Yes, I would say that makes sense but I am still not certain SPF is a wolf. I could be wrong I dont have full information on this game. I know Boq wanted her and she has been doing my head in all game and Nanook wants her for [REDACTED] thats enough for me to want to resolve her, even if we removed Boqs kill order. She is who I would want most today, then seanzie or you, then Aero

okay, so let's say we flip spf V tonight and then porscha gets NKed

what do you do in f5?

what Nanook wants. I have already stated I lose to Porcha and Nanook

[staypositivefriend]

idk rondo if you are town then it should be trivially easy for you to point out the parts of my case that are inaccurate or misleading and your consistent refusal to do so makes me think you might just be a wolf making stuff up

[RondoDimBuckle]

i think rondo voted for seanzie for a while because he wanted to look unpartnered with him, and not because they're actually unaligned. rondo giving lip service to seanzie being mafia and then voting me anyway just makes both of them look worse

I wish I had the ability to state with certainty what is going on in other peoples heads

I voted Seanzie because I wanted him to do more than just sit there

I am voting you because as I said Boqs EOD yesterday was focused around you. You are pushing me, no one else is as hard as you (Lily is a close second), So it is anti town for me to let you kill me since only a wolf would go for such low hanging fruit this close to lylo. Plus Boq sacrificed himself and called for you at the same moment. I wanted him to vote you so we could jump on you. I wanted to jump on boq to stop the tie because his self vote made it impossible, but Wilgy did it instead. I stayed on you with the express hopes that Wilgy would be able to come back over to you. Dont act like me getting on you now is in any way an indication on my thoughts on Seanzie.

i literally just reread your eod and this at least to me doesn't feel like what happened

Because you dont know me that well

sure i have trouble reading people i dont know as well which is why I haven't rly dealt with your slot all game. I just don't really see how your thoughts of eod relate to the reality of the situation where you seemed more like a spectator rather than someone really hoping spf died.

i'm not even like necessarily fully sold on you being a wolf tbh but we'll see

look at what I said to Wilgy after he moved on Boq when I voted him but didnt actually move. I basically offer my vote to Wilgy, we now know he is town. Why would a wolf do that at an EOD so close?

That only matters if spf is mafia yeah

Sure, I am approaching it from the head space that she is since Boq wanted her so bad and he went over instead

[arogame123]

Hello Hello, I have arrived. But I am kind of on and off rn. Football Sunday :/

I see the votes are tied and I have the "hammer" lol.

[arogame123]

Gonna read over the case SPF put up. Plz ping me if you have any questions or posts I should look at. I missed like 3 pages rip

[RondoDimBuckle]

idk rondo if you are town then it should be trivially easy for you to point out the parts of my case that are inaccurate or misleading and your consistent refusal to do so makes me think you might just be a wolf making stuff up

not in 1 hour while I am also at work

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Yeh fair enough

[Lilypetal]

i think rondo voted for seanzie for a while because he wanted to look unpartnered with him, and not because they're actually unaligned. rondo giving lip service to seanzie being mafia and then voting me anyway just makes both of them look worse

I wish I had the ability to state with certainty what is going on in other peoples heads

I voted Seanzie because I wanted him to do more than just sit there

I am voting you because as I said Boqs EOD yesterday was focused around you. You are pushing me, no one else is as hard as you (Lily is a close second), So it is anti town for me to let you kill me since only a wolf would go for such low hanging fruit this close to lylo. Plus Boq sacrificed himself and called for you at the same moment. I wanted him to vote you so we could jump on you. I wanted to jump on boq to stop the tie because his self vote made it impossible, but Wilgy did it instead. I stayed on you with the express hopes that Wilgy would be able to come back over to you. Dont act like me getting on you now is in any way an indication on my thoughts on Seanzie.

i literally just reread your eod and this at least to me doesn't feel like what happened

Because you dont know me that well

sure i have trouble reading people i dont know as well which is why I haven't rly dealt with your slot all game. I just don't really see how your thoughts of eod relate to the reality of the situation where you seemed more like a spectator rather than someone really hoping spf died.

i'm not even like necessarily fully sold on you being a wolf tbh but we'll see

look at what I said to Wilgy after he moved on Boq when I voted him but didnt actually move. I basically offer my vote to Wilgy, we now know he is town. Why would a wolf do that at an EOD so close?

because either way you're voting a town and then the other one most likely dies the next day? why wouldn't you do that?

[RondoDimBuckle]

i think rondo voted for seanzie for a while because he wanted to look unpartnered with him, and not because they're actually unaligned. rondo giving lip service to seanzie being mafia and then voting me anyway just makes both of them look worse

I wish I had the ability to state with certainty what is going on in other peoples heads

I voted Seanzie because I wanted him to do more than just sit there

I am voting you because as I said Boqs EOD yesterday was focused around you. You are pushing me, no one else is as hard as you (Lily is a close second), So it is anti town for me to let you kill me since only a wolf would go for such low hanging fruit this close to lylo. Plus Boq sacrificed himself and called for you at the same moment. I wanted him to vote you so we could jump on you. I wanted to jump on boq to stop the tie because his self vote made it impossible, but Wilgy did it instead. I stayed on you with the express hopes that Wilgy would be able to come back over to you. Dont act like me getting on you now is in any way an indication on my thoughts on Seanzie.

i literally just reread your eod and this at least to me doesn't feel like what happened

Because you dont know me that well

sure i have trouble reading people i dont know as well which is why I haven't rly dealt with your slot all game. I just don't really see how your thoughts of eod relate to the reality of the situation where you seemed more like a spectator rather than someone really hoping spf died.

i'm not even like necessarily fully sold on you being a wolf tbh but we'll see

look at what I said to Wilgy after he moved on Boq when I voted him but didnt actually move. I basically offer my vote to Wilgy, we now know he is town. Why would a wolf do that at an EOD so close?

because either way you're voting a town and then the other one most likely dies the next day? why wouldn't you do that?

Eh thats a fair call if your pov is spf town

[arogame123]

how did seanzie and rondo interact?

-seanzie calls out rondo for not posting enough content in this post (viewtopic.php?p=956470#p956470) and then never follows up with it again

-after rondo makes a post asking seanzie a basic question about his reads, seanzie votes for rondo and says it is the "wolfiest post he has seen all game" (viewtopic.php?p=956777#p956777)

-on viewtopic.php?p=956852#p956852, seanzie refers to rondo as an "outed wolf"

-on viewtopic.php?p=957026#p957026, rondo/seanzie have a softball interaction about rondo's read on alison

-on viewtopic.php?p=958170#p958170, seanzie discredits my reasoning for townreading rondo and implies that it is fallacious

-in response to aro posting a list of towns, seanzie says that he thinks rondo and porscha are the two most likely who could be wolves, but they could all "easily be okay" (viewtopic.php?p=958470#p958470)

-seanzie responds to a post from rondo and says that he does not think rondo is town, and that he thinks the mafia are boq/lily. if one of boq/lily are town, he says he thinks that the mafia is me. if there's still a mafia after that, he thinks it would be rondo (viewtopic.php?p=958475#p958475)

from this point forward, the two of them continue to have some lightly contentious interactions that are pretty silly/lighthearted in tone

how did rondo and seanzie interact?


-rondo says that if alison flips mafia, seanzie is "town or deep wolf", which is a non-sequitur and a meaningless thing to say (viewtopic.php?p=956365#p956365)

-rondo says he likes a post from seanzie (viewtopic.php?p=954734#p954734)

-rondo asks creature to talk more about why he scumreads seanzie - does not follow up with this question ever again (viewtopic.php?p=956453#p956453)

-viewtopic.php?p=956731#p956731 softball interaction between the two of them

-rondo says that seanzie and alison have W/W equity on viewtopic.php?p=956737#p956737

-more softball interaction on viewtopic.php?p=956756#p956756

-viewtopic.php?p=956828#p956828 rondo implies that he townreads seanzie out of nowhere, in spite of his last interaction with seanzie implying that he thought that seanzie/alison had W/W equity

-rondo reacts to seanzie's vote on him by calling him an "outed wolf" viewtopic.php?p=956843#p956843

-....in spite of this, he calls seanzie a townlean shortly after anyway, and says it's because "seanzie made a ridiculous push on me" (viewtopic.php?p=957030#p957030)

-rono quotes a post from seanzie, calls it scummy, and says he "could go seanzie" (viewtopic.php?p=958474#p958474)

-rondo/seanzie have some brief interaction in which rondo cocnludes that he will "keep tunneling" seanzie (viewtopic.php?p=958481#p958481)

-viewtopic.php?p=960291#p960291 rondo says that he "wouldn't be surprised if seanzie was a wolf"

SO, in short, (this is the important part of the post that you should read):

from seanzie's side of things, seanzie very briefly pushed rondo at a couple of points throughout d1 and d2 - referring to him as an "outed wolf" and saying that he made the scummiest post he has ever seen

from d3 onward, seanzie stops pushing on rondo entirely, signal boosts a readslist from aro that contains rondo as town, and says that he would resolve me/illy/boq before he would push on rondo. he has made no further attempts to develop his read on rondo, push on rondo, or signal boost any suspicion toward rondo whatsoever. instead, he has consistently pushed a POE of me/lily/boq while giving rondo the cold shoulder

from rondo's side of things, rondo has a few softball interactions with seanzie early in the game, says that alison/seanzie have W/W equity multiple times, calls seanzie an outed wolf, and then suddenly shifts to townreading seanzie for vague and unclear reasons. from here, rondo makes several posts shading seanzie by saying he "wouldn't be surprised if seanzie was a wolf", but he has continued to push a POE of me/lily/boq

So my first thoughts when reading this where when I was reading Seanzie/Rondo as not w/w was due to some micro interactions where they seemed confused at what the other was saying at times and their interactions with each other felt awkward at times when in thread lol.

But when looking at it hollistically in the game overall like you brought up, the progression from Seanzie on Rondo signalling my list about Rondo and then not pushing it at all after the first couple of the days is kind of scummy and does not make sense with the stance he had earlier as you stated. I could see it as placing a sr on someone and then brushing it aside while pushing on others.

I guess with Rondo, they have maintained a sr on Seanzie and have shaded him, and it seems like he was voting Seanzie at some point earlier today. I believe with Rondo, they have been following legacies and other people's reads similar to what I have done and focused on "bigger fish to fry" than going after Seanzie first despite the sr they have on him.

I will say though, between the two, I believe Seanzie's progression is scummier with how he has dealt Rondo's alignment and thinking about how he responded to my list but not scum read or made many cases on him is alarming. Especially for someone who had that stance earlier in the game as you stated. I had a tr on Seanzie earlier due to meta and their style of posts and I felt pretty confident about it as well as with some legacies some had. But I have been snowed by lol!meta before and I believe this type of progression is scummy. I caught Eph for a similar progression in champs and having a sr to not really doing much about it or pushing it while pushing others is scummy.

Now for the case of them being w/w, I am still not sure as I mentioned due to their micro interactions, but hollistically, I can empathize and see the point you are making with their progressions on each other but I believe Rondo's is somewhat justified with their stances and explanations to them but with Seanzie, it seems way less connected as you mentioned.

[arogame123]

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

apology accepted

let's kill some wolves

Lmk if this question gets answered, but is it that you tr SPF now or did you agree with her case and believed Seanzie/Rondo are wolfier?

[arogame123]

Ok, so based off the responses I have so far.

I had as town: Aro, Porscha, Seanzie, Wilgy, Rondo

I had as POE: Boq/Nanook/SPF/Lily

List of people and who they disagree with

Porscha: doesn't think Seanzie V

Seanzie: N/A

Wilgy: doesn't think Rondo V and Nanook W

Rondo: N/A

Boq: doesn't think Rondo V

Nanook: doesn't think Seanzie V and Lily W

SPF: doesn't think Seanzie V, and Nanook W

Lily: doesn't think Seanzie V

This is what I got from that exercise.

Main takeaways:

It seems like from both a town and person in POE, they believe Nanook might be town which is a decent look for him.

It seems like 4 people (3 from POE) believe Seanzie may be mafia, so if my POE is right and contains at least 1 mafia, it is also a good look for him.

It seems like from both a town and person in POE, they believe Rondo may be mafia.

Only one person from a POE believes that Lily may be town.

Porscha and Wilgy are untouched from the towns list.

SPF/Boq are untouched from the POE list.

For reference here

[Lilypetal]

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

apology accepted

let's kill some wolves

Lmk if this question gets answered, but is it that you tr SPF now or did you agree with her case and believed Seanzie/Rondo are wolfier?

there are two paths

policy kill spf for her sins (probably the correct play)

girlboss gaslight gatekeep seanzie to death with spf (the hype play)

so yeah i tr her

[arogame123]

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

apology accepted

let's kill some wolves

Lmk if this question gets answered, but is it that you tr SPF now or did you agree with her case and believed Seanzie/Rondo are wolfier?

there are two paths

policy kill spf for her sins (probably the correct play)

girlboss gaslight gatekeep seanzie to death with spf (the hype play)

so yeah i tr her

So you are thinking Rondo/Seanzie now?

[Porscha]

[VOTE: Seanzie ] aubergine

Just to mess with people even more

i do have to admit that this surprises me. i was really not expecting you to vote for seanzie regardless of whether my theory about you and him being W/W was correct. if youre mafia then smart move tbh

rondo had said earlier that sean was second best positioned behind aro before you went onto sean case

hmm

do you think it means anything for whether rondo/seanzie can be partnered?

Ya but like everything else in this god forsaken game it also might mean nothing in terms of possible partner

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@staypositivefriend I assume that if you knew there was a difference check between them, you would kill Sean over rondo, yeah?

Basically I'm asking which you're more confident in being mafia if only one of them is

[arogame123]

i think it just makes sense cuz like

nook like i said pushed for a town gamestate like as any alignment you dying last day phase was better for town than boq so + points for nook

porscha has 0 reason to town read both of us if as a wolf unless she is a wolf with u and was trying to save u but that's so fucking unlikely i won't even consider it so + points for porscha

aro responded to porscha's pressure REALLY WELL and kinda got rid of all my paranoia about him. I think this will be the town aro game I compare future games to going forward if he's indeed town. + points for aro

and we've been through this game side by side doing everything incorrect. it's like i said at the start of the day if we're both town wouldn't sweeping the last two wolves together be quite cathartic?

so if you're town, it just makes sense. it does fit together perfectly if you think about it

yeah

that's why i posted "im such a fucking idiot" about 5 minutes into reading their interactions because they've been playing as a unit for 3 dayphases straight and i didnt even think to ISO them until aro asked me who the maf might be in a world where youre town lol

+ SPF/Lily Equity

You mentioned earlier your suspicions of Seanzie in the post before.

Which team do you think is more likely aorn? SPF/Seanzie, SPF/Lily, Seanzie/Lily?

[Lilypetal]

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

apology accepted

let's kill some wolves

Lmk if this question gets answered, but is it that you tr SPF now or did you agree with her case and believed Seanzie/Rondo are wolfier?

there are two paths

policy kill spf for her sins (probably the correct play)

girlboss gaslight gatekeep seanzie to death with spf (the hype play)

so yeah i tr her

So you are thinking Rondo/Seanzie now?

pretty much but I will reeval tomorrow with the flip. i would urge you to vote seanzie over spf but it's ultimately up to you.

[RondoDimBuckle]

i think it just makes sense cuz like

nook like i said pushed for a town gamestate like as any alignment you dying last day phase was better for town than boq so + points for nook

porscha has 0 reason to town read both of us if as a wolf unless she is a wolf with u and was trying to save u but that's so fucking unlikely i won't even consider it so + points for porscha

aro responded to porscha's pressure REALLY WELL and kinda got rid of all my paranoia about him. I think this will be the town aro game I compare future games to going forward if he's indeed town. + points for aro

and we've been through this game side by side doing everything incorrect. it's like i said at the start of the day if we're both town wouldn't sweeping the last two wolves together be quite cathartic?

so if you're town, it just makes sense. it does fit together perfectly if you think about it

yeah

that's why i posted "im such a fucking idiot" about 5 minutes into reading their interactions because they've been playing as a unit for 3 dayphases straight and i didnt even think to ISO them until aro asked me who the maf might be in a world where youre town lol

+ SPF/Lily Equity

You mentioned earlier your suspicions of Seanzie in the post before.

Which team do you think is more likely aorn? SPF/Seanzie, SPF/Lily, Seanzie/Lily?

I am over SPF/Lily at this point, no way both wolves are this scummy going into Lylo tomorrow and most likely there is a wolf in one of them. But in the world there is no wolf between them that is tough. I want to Tinfoil Nanook and Porcha for various reasons, Porcha's day 1 was brought up as an issue but I still havent read day 1, it might have been brought up by Alison which makes it worse because I know Alison would do that to a wolf. Nanook is just slanking its slightly off but mostly fine and I cant not tinfoil slankers, he has some good posts. Seanzie I want to nuke with the fires of hell but I cant see him partnered at the moment. You are too powerful to be kept alive and most obvious deep wolf. So really I am only going off voting records, legacies and gut reads at the moment. I havent had the time to do really intensive ISO's and associations. (Is that everyone alive?)

[RondoDimBuckle]

To answer the question SPF/Seanzie isnt a terrible idea, SPF/Lily is out, Seanzie/Lily is good potential since Mac was clearing SPF and the only reason I scum read her is because exactly what Mac said was a bad reason for SPF to be behaving the way she was exactly happened. So I really think SPF is a hit just off Mac saying the only reason SPF is acting the way she is towards Alison is if they are partnered.


BUT

Nanook/Aero is a team I can see and Aero/Seanzie

If someone can show me why they are not teamed that would help

[arogame123]

To answer the question SPF/Seanzie isnt a terrible idea, SPF/Lily is out, Seanzie/Lily is good potential since Mac was clearing SPF and the only reason I scum read her is because exactly what Mac said was a bad reason for SPF to be behaving the way she was exactly happened. So I really think SPF is a hit just off Mac saying the only reason SPF is acting the way she is towards Alison is if they are partnered.


BUT

Nanook/Aero is a team I can see and Aero/Seanzie

If someone can show me why they are not teamed that would help

Well I know those last 2 teams don't exist lol, but it seems like Seanzie exists in both of your possible teams you mentioned above based on the associations you have.

Can you explain the reason you mentioned you believe SPF is likely mafia based on the "Mac tinfoil" you stated. I remembered Mac was stating that SPF was unlikely to be partnered with Alison and more so with Creature bc she could be "bussing" on Creature.

[RondoDimBuckle]

i'm really sleep deprived but i'll be around a decent amount tomorrow

really hope that i dont get miseliminated today because half the game is barely even playing when i am blatantly town to anyone who even slightly understands my wolf meta or how i tend to play games. if u cant figure out that im town then just trust that mac was right about me and that i wouldn't kill him when he was constantly shielding me

He did have a tinfoil because you were sheilding Alison knowing what kind of behaviour she could display and calling her town which could be why he died night 2. I am not going to shield your spot when exactly that happened and I haven't felt good about you all game

he actually went out of his way to call me his most confident townread and said that the way i was interacting with alison made me clearly unpartnered with her. if you're going to discredit the legacy of a dead player you should at least read what his posts were

Iook forward to quoting this when I get home

Spoiler: show

Town with relatively large amount of confidence

SPF - SPF's pattern in this game matches her town game. Not only in the fact that she's attracting her usual share of random tinfoil from others (including me) but also in her own play. One thing I will say is that if Creature is town I don't think SPF is ever mafia. SPF as mafia would not bury a townie the way they've buried Creature today. SPF is hyper conscious of her TMI as mafia and she would be far more inclined to feel the need to be right on Creature, especially given Creature did not begin the day a foregone conclusion for a chop. The ONLY way this play makes sense for SPF is if either Creature is her partner and she is bussing him, or Alison is her partner and she is selling out her optics hard just to get Alison to day 3. But that doesn't actually make sense either because her treatment of Alison has not been partner indicative. Now the key here is that Creature is probably mafia regardless of SPF's alignment. If SPF is mafia, this is probably a bus, and if she is town, well she's SPF and when she zones in on a read like this I've rarely ever seen it be wrong.

Lucy - I can't really point at one individual thing here from inside the game but I've just had the sense she's been town the entire time. For her to be mafia she'd need to be pocketing me hard as she kept saying things like "Mac will get us a pelt" on repeat. Outside of that she would need to have levelled her mafia range quite substantially to be one here as she has hardly been pushed by a single player, which just doesn't feel like wolf Lucy would have occur.

NANOOK - I have been dwelling on this for a while, and I think the summary I made about Nanook's end of day 1 is nearly clearing for him. Wolf Nanook playing the EOD the way that he did and landing on town Falcon after being positioned to gain a lot of cred from wolf Alison flip doesn't make any sense. If Alison was town, the eod didn't require Nanook to do anything and his focus on not ensuring a tie, while perhaps could just have been him hamming it up, I don't think it was. He has not played day 2 like someone with any agenda.

Seanzie - I just think he's obvious town, like his play has a major lack of TMI to it. He's going through his town Seanzie pattern and has been the entire game. Dude is a polarised noob.

Rondo - He's obviously been very "townie" on day 2 with his catch up and really making himself the central person in the game, and while I don't think that alone is outside his scumrange, it isn't likely to be the way I'd expect scum Rondo to play after subbing in to a slank slot and starting the game off trolling. One post he made that really felt town was when he told Seanzie about the time he snowed me and how orgasmic it was. Given I was strongly townreading Rondo at that point and he knew it, his mindset would have been that he was in the midst of snowing me x 2 and I doubt it ever occurs to him to reminisce about the time that he did if he was in the middle of doing it again. Feels like one of those dumb reads that are right.

Porscha - Porscha's known scumrange has been exceeded. It is possible that she is being pushed into this but I feel like for her to exceed her scumrange the way she is she'd need to have a dance partner. As much as it might seem strange I think Porscha is only mafia if Alison is mafia and the day 1 was a drama show. That said, I also feel like if Porscha was a wolf (and especially if Alison was one partner), that this day 2 would be going very differently for her.

Here is another way to play.

10 v 3
8 v 3
6 v 3
4 v 3 limlo

Three mischops til f7.

Critically bad mischops are the players that the mafia will want to kill themselves. SPF, Arogame, Boquise, myself. Several of these players should be self resolved by f7. So you just shouldn't bother chopping this group and shouldn't even really bother even humouring it (even if one or several of us are wolves tbh). I think it's pro mafia to even tinfoil these four names honestly.

It should just be a combined effort primarily led by these four names to actually coordinate the chops because of that. Even if they are mafia it will be enticing to townside and bus.

If we're allowed to lead, and somehow get to f7 without any wolves dead, I'll retire from mafia (and it should also out some fools and give us the best chance of limlo anyway).

So @staypositivefriend @arogame123 @Boquise shall we get to work?

Obviously my strong preference today is to resolve Alison. If Alison flips town then I'd be 100% inclined to just kill whoever she leaves in her legacy.
I already know SPF doesn't subscribe to the idea of needing to resolve the day 1 wagons. Which bothers me a great deal especially when it's Alison of all people, someone I know SPF knows Alison can fool her. And I think I've made several compelling arguments for why Alison is a wolf. I don't think she is playing the game like town Alison really at all and hasn't been for most of it.

My feeling on each other slot:

arogame123 - I have had moments of tinfoil as I am prone to, but I don't have any interest in playing into it. Arogame has been largely a steadying influence on the game and I'd rather let them continue to do that. I don't really know exactly where their head is at though.

Porscha - I saw Boq and Arogame kind of coalesce on a townread here, I have a similar read for similar reasons. I think Porscha is out of her scumrange.

Boquise - Feels like the most sane person in the game every time they post. They come across like an adult who keeps checking on the kids and finding chaos every time.

Seanzie - There were some posts on day 1 that just felt townie. Seanzie has some seriously tilting takes but there is an overwhelming lack of TMI in their play. I just don't think Seanzie as a wolf plays this way (especially knowing I am town).

Creature - I really struggle to get past how Creature was handling the end of day. Pushing Falcon for their own reasons but continuously promoting the idea that I was alone in my Falcon push. Blaming me for it. Then coming out today and immediately putting me on the backfoot for chopping a town like chopping Falcon in a split is even AI for me to begin with. I just don't think his reads make any sense either.

Lilypetal - I feel weird about Lilypetal but I don't want to chop them. I don't really know how to articulate my feelings on Lilypetal and wouldn't mind fleshing out some feelings on this slot.

Lucy - Probably my strongest townread. I think Lucy has been exceedingly sensible throughout the entire game so far and has a fire to their play that I really vibe with.

Rondo/Sparkles - Sparkles was slanky wolfy. Rondo has been actively scummy with no remorse. That this slot is not being tunneled by the wolves is tripping me out even harder. I have no idea why this slot isn't more of a topic of conversation. Especially from someone like Alison who by their own mafia beliefs should be probably doming Rondo by now.

Nanook - I... wouldn't be surprised if Nanook was mafia or town. At times my read has fluctuated from quite strong town, back to null. He's not really gone over the null line into lean wolf territory for me yet though. Probably another Nanook late game dies for rand reasons and flips town game. I guess having that thought alone makes me want to townread him.

Neon - I wanna say they are likely to be town here because they are kind of more pure than I remember their wolfgame being but they aren't exactly an incompetent wolf. We have swept a town before as wolf teammates. Probably need more flips to really get an idea of what's going on here. Potential late game miselim.

SPF - I am following my usual pattern of feeling like SPF is lock town, tinfoiling them, massively questioning their reads... I am rather inclined to break my pattern here and sheep them somewhat but... I worry about that backfiring. SPF's day 2 has been quite tilting and I've vibed with very very little of what they've said though. But as I said, that's the pattern with me and SPF.

Town

Lucy
Arogame
Boq
Porscha
Seanzie

Lean Town

SPF
Nanook
Neon
Lilypetal

POE

Alison
Creature
Rondo

Here Aero

To answer the question SPF/Seanzie isnt a terrible idea, SPF/Lily is out, Seanzie/Lily is good potential since Mac was clearing SPF and the only reason I scum read her is because exactly what Mac said was a bad reason for SPF to be behaving the way she was exactly happened. So I really think SPF is a hit just off Mac saying the only reason SPF is acting the way she is towards Alison is if they are partnered.


BUT

Nanook/Aero is a team I can see and Aero/Seanzie

If someone can show me why they are not teamed that would help

Well I know those last 2 teams don't exist lol, but it seems like Seanzie exists in both of your possible teams you mentioned above based on the associations you have.

Can you explain the reason you mentioned you believe SPF is likely mafia based on the "Mac tinfoil" you stated. I remembered Mac was stating that SPF was unlikely to be partnered with Alison and more so with Creature bc she could be "bussing" on Creature.

The way I see it is, Mac says "SPF is probably town here except she is acting weird towards Alison, its probably fine except for if Alison is wolf then it would make sense why SPF is ignoring Alison for not doing what she usually does and also not pushing her as hard as I expected" then Alison flips wolf and Mac dies the same night.

[arogame123]

i think it just makes sense cuz like

nook like i said pushed for a town gamestate like as any alignment you dying last day phase was better for town than boq so + points for nook

porscha has 0 reason to town read both of us if as a wolf unless she is a wolf with u and was trying to save u but that's so fucking unlikely i won't even consider it so + points for porscha

aro responded to porscha's pressure REALLY WELL and kinda got rid of all my paranoia about him. I think this will be the town aro game I compare future games to going forward if he's indeed town. + points for aro

and we've been through this game side by side doing everything incorrect. it's like i said at the start of the day if we're both town wouldn't sweeping the last two wolves together be quite cathartic?

so if you're town, it just makes sense. it does fit together perfectly if you think about it

yeah

that's why i posted "im such a fucking idiot" about 5 minutes into reading their interactions because they've been playing as a unit for 3 dayphases straight and i didnt even think to ISO them until aro asked me who the maf might be in a world where youre town lol

+ SPF/Lily Equity

You mentioned earlier your suspicions of Seanzie in the post before.

Which team do you think is more likely aorn? SPF/Seanzie, SPF/Lily, Seanzie/Lily?

I am over SPF/Lily at this point, no way both wolves are this scummy going into Lylo tomorrow and most likely there is a wolf in one of them. But in the world there is no wolf between them that is tough. I want to Tinfoil Nanook and Porcha for various reasons, Porcha's day 1 was brought up as an issue but I still havent read day 1, it might have been brought up by Alison which makes it worse because I know Alison would do that to a wolf. Nanook is just slanking its slightly off but mostly fine and I cant not tinfoil slankers, he has some good posts. Seanzie I want to nuke with the fires of hell but I cant see him partnered at the moment. You are too powerful to be kept alive and most obvious deep wolf. So really I am only going off voting records, legacies and gut reads at the moment. I havent had the time to do really intensive ISO's and associations. (Is that everyone alive?)

Yea, that's everyone. I think your Porscha concerns can be all put away with the fact that Alison, as you mentioned, was the main person on Porscha's case and attempted to get that wagon going over Falcon. Additionally, I don't think Porscha is with Alison for the reasons I and others have brought up before. And in addition to that, people have stated that Porscha has a volume tell and they have been doing a lot of work in the past couple of days and keeping everyone accountable. Additionally with Nanook, I wouldn't really say he is slanking, because he has made his POV/stance very clear and has interacted when questioned from others. Also just like me, Nook was on Alison since day 2.

[RondoDimBuckle]

well Mac dies before he can say anything about the Alison flip, he might have died night 2, either way my point stands

[arogame123]

Imma eat, brb in like 15.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Imma eat, brb in like 15.

lol 15 is EOD

[RondoDimBuckle]

i think it just makes sense cuz like

nook like i said pushed for a town gamestate like as any alignment you dying last day phase was better for town than boq so + points for nook

porscha has 0 reason to town read both of us if as a wolf unless she is a wolf with u and was trying to save u but that's so fucking unlikely i won't even consider it so + points for porscha

aro responded to porscha's pressure REALLY WELL and kinda got rid of all my paranoia about him. I think this will be the town aro game I compare future games to going forward if he's indeed town. + points for aro

and we've been through this game side by side doing everything incorrect. it's like i said at the start of the day if we're both town wouldn't sweeping the last two wolves together be quite cathartic?

so if you're town, it just makes sense. it does fit together perfectly if you think about it

yeah

that's why i posted "im such a fucking idiot" about 5 minutes into reading their interactions because they've been playing as a unit for 3 dayphases straight and i didnt even think to ISO them until aro asked me who the maf might be in a world where youre town lol

+ SPF/Lily Equity

You mentioned earlier your suspicions of Seanzie in the post before.

Which team do you think is more likely aorn? SPF/Seanzie, SPF/Lily, Seanzie/Lily?

I am over SPF/Lily at this point, no way both wolves are this scummy going into Lylo tomorrow and most likely there is a wolf in one of them. But in the world there is no wolf between them that is tough. I want to Tinfoil Nanook and Porcha for various reasons, Porcha's day 1 was brought up as an issue but I still havent read day 1, it might have been brought up by Alison which makes it worse because I know Alison would do that to a wolf. Nanook is just slanking its slightly off but mostly fine and I cant not tinfoil slankers, he has some good posts. Seanzie I want to nuke with the fires of hell but I cant see him partnered at the moment. You are too powerful to be kept alive and most obvious deep wolf. So really I am only going off voting records, legacies and gut reads at the moment. I havent had the time to do really intensive ISO's and associations. (Is that everyone alive?)

Yea, that's everyone. I think your Porscha concerns can be all put away with the fact that Alison, as you mentioned, was the main person on Porscha's case and attempted to get that wagon going over Falcon. Additionally, I don't think Porscha is with Alison for the reasons I and others have brought up before. And in addition to that, people have stated that Porscha has a volume tell and they have been doing a lot of work in the past couple of days and keeping everyone accountable. Additionally with Nanook, I wouldn't really say he is slanking, because he has made his POV/stance very clear and has interacted when questioned from others. Also just like me, Nook was on Alison since day 2.

Eh I dont think D2 people on Alison are cleared. Also exactly why Porscha is cleared is why I have the tinfoil its a great clear for her and Alison has the potential to set it up. But her play has been fine, I am just keeping an eye on her

[Lilypetal]

Imma eat, brb in like 15.

lol 15 is EOD

isnt eod in an hour?

[RondoDimBuckle]

I suspect that Aero hasnt actually gone to lunch and is waiting for a post exactly like this one but @Porscha any chance I can convince you to come back to SPF? Not because I want to save Seanzie, but because I want SPF more right now. However if he does go over I am ok with it because of how he has treated my slot

[RondoDimBuckle]

Imma eat, brb in like 15.

lol 15 is EOD

isnt eod in an hour?

oh... fuckin daylight savings

[staypositivefriend]

@staypositivefriend I assume that if you knew there was a difference check between them, you would kill Sean over rondo, yeah?

Basically I'm asking which you're more confident in being mafia if only one of them is

yeah, i'm more confident in seanzie being mafia than rondo since i think it's still theroetically possible for rondo to be an incorrect/misled villager and i think that seanzie has reacted and played this EOD significantly more wolfier than him

[RondoDimBuckle]

@staypositivefriend I assume that if you knew there was a difference check between them, you would kill Sean over rondo, yeah?

Basically I'm asking which you're more confident in being mafia if only one of them is

yeah, i'm more confident in seanzie being mafia than rondo since i think it's still theroetically possible for rondo to be an incorrect/misled villager and i think that seanzie has reacted and played this EOD significantly more wolfier than him

who is misleading me?

[staypositivefriend]

i'm really sleep deprived but i'll be around a decent amount tomorrow

really hope that i dont get miseliminated today because half the game is barely even playing when i am blatantly town to anyone who even slightly understands my wolf meta or how i tend to play games. if u cant figure out that im town then just trust that mac was right about me and that i wouldn't kill him when he was constantly shielding me

He did have a tinfoil because you were sheilding Alison knowing what kind of behaviour she could display and calling her town which could be why he died night 2. I am not going to shield your spot when exactly that happened and I haven't felt good about you all game

he actually went out of his way to call me his most confident townread and said that the way i was interacting with alison made me clearly unpartnered with her. if you're going to discredit the legacy of a dead player you should at least read what his posts were

Iook forward to quoting this when I get home

Spoiler: show

Town with relatively large amount of confidence

SPF - SPF's pattern in this game matches her town game. Not only in the fact that she's attracting her usual share of random tinfoil from others (including me) but also in her own play. One thing I will say is that if Creature is town I don't think SPF is ever mafia. SPF as mafia would not bury a townie the way they've buried Creature today. SPF is hyper conscious of her TMI as mafia and she would be far more inclined to feel the need to be right on Creature, especially given Creature did not begin the day a foregone conclusion for a chop. The ONLY way this play makes sense for SPF is if either Creature is her partner and she is bussing him, or Alison is her partner and she is selling out her optics hard just to get Alison to day 3. But that doesn't actually make sense either because her treatment of Alison has not been partner indicative. Now the key here is that Creature is probably mafia regardless of SPF's alignment. If SPF is mafia, this is probably a bus, and if she is town, well she's SPF and when she zones in on a read like this I've rarely ever seen it be wrong.

Lucy - I can't really point at one individual thing here from inside the game but I've just had the sense she's been town the entire time. For her to be mafia she'd need to be pocketing me hard as she kept saying things like "Mac will get us a pelt" on repeat. Outside of that she would need to have levelled her mafia range quite substantially to be one here as she has hardly been pushed by a single player, which just doesn't feel like wolf Lucy would have occur.

NANOOK - I have been dwelling on this for a while, and I think the summary I made about Nanook's end of day 1 is nearly clearing for him. Wolf Nanook playing the EOD the way that he did and landing on town Falcon after being positioned to gain a lot of cred from wolf Alison flip doesn't make any sense. If Alison was town, the eod didn't require Nanook to do anything and his focus on not ensuring a tie, while perhaps could just have been him hamming it up, I don't think it was. He has not played day 2 like someone with any agenda.

Seanzie - I just think he's obvious town, like his play has a major lack of TMI to it. He's going through his town Seanzie pattern and has been the entire game. Dude is a polarised noob.

Rondo - He's obviously been very "townie" on day 2 with his catch up and really making himself the central person in the game, and while I don't think that alone is outside his scumrange, it isn't likely to be the way I'd expect scum Rondo to play after subbing in to a slank slot and starting the game off trolling. One post he made that really felt town was when he told Seanzie about the time he snowed me and how orgasmic it was. Given I was strongly townreading Rondo at that point and he knew it, his mindset would have been that he was in the midst of snowing me x 2 and I doubt it ever occurs to him to reminisce about the time that he did if he was in the middle of doing it again. Feels like one of those dumb reads that are right.

Porscha - Porscha's known scumrange has been exceeded. It is possible that she is being pushed into this but I feel like for her to exceed her scumrange the way she is she'd need to have a dance partner. As much as it might seem strange I think Porscha is only mafia if Alison is mafia and the day 1 was a drama show. That said, I also feel like if Porscha was a wolf (and especially if Alison was one partner), that this day 2 would be going very differently for her.

Here is another way to play.

10 v 3
8 v 3
6 v 3
4 v 3 limlo

Three mischops til f7.

Critically bad mischops are the players that the mafia will want to kill themselves. SPF, Arogame, Boquise, myself. Several of these players should be self resolved by f7. So you just shouldn't bother chopping this group and shouldn't even really bother even humouring it (even if one or several of us are wolves tbh). I think it's pro mafia to even tinfoil these four names honestly.

It should just be a combined effort primarily led by these four names to actually coordinate the chops because of that. Even if they are mafia it will be enticing to townside and bus.

If we're allowed to lead, and somehow get to f7 without any wolves dead, I'll retire from mafia (and it should also out some fools and give us the best chance of limlo anyway).

So @staypositivefriend @arogame123 @Boquise shall we get to work?

Obviously my strong preference today is to resolve Alison. If Alison flips town then I'd be 100% inclined to just kill whoever she leaves in her legacy.
I already know SPF doesn't subscribe to the idea of needing to resolve the day 1 wagons. Which bothers me a great deal especially when it's Alison of all people, someone I know SPF knows Alison can fool her. And I think I've made several compelling arguments for why Alison is a wolf. I don't think she is playing the game like town Alison really at all and hasn't been for most of it.

My feeling on each other slot:

arogame123 - I have had moments of tinfoil as I am prone to, but I don't have any interest in playing into it. Arogame has been largely a steadying influence on the game and I'd rather let them continue to do that. I don't really know exactly where their head is at though.

Porscha - I saw Boq and Arogame kind of coalesce on a townread here, I have a similar read for similar reasons. I think Porscha is out of her scumrange.

Boquise - Feels like the most sane person in the game every time they post. They come across like an adult who keeps checking on the kids and finding chaos every time.

Seanzie - There were some posts on day 1 that just felt townie. Seanzie has some seriously tilting takes but there is an overwhelming lack of TMI in their play. I just don't think Seanzie as a wolf plays this way (especially knowing I am town).

Creature - I really struggle to get past how Creature was handling the end of day. Pushing Falcon for their own reasons but continuously promoting the idea that I was alone in my Falcon push. Blaming me for it. Then coming out today and immediately putting me on the backfoot for chopping a town like chopping Falcon in a split is even AI for me to begin with. I just don't think his reads make any sense either.

Lilypetal - I feel weird about Lilypetal but I don't want to chop them. I don't really know how to articulate my feelings on Lilypetal and wouldn't mind fleshing out some feelings on this slot.

Lucy - Probably my strongest townread. I think Lucy has been exceedingly sensible throughout the entire game so far and has a fire to their play that I really vibe with.

Rondo/Sparkles - Sparkles was slanky wolfy. Rondo has been actively scummy with no remorse. That this slot is not being tunneled by the wolves is tripping me out even harder. I have no idea why this slot isn't more of a topic of conversation. Especially from someone like Alison who by their own mafia beliefs should be probably doming Rondo by now.

Nanook - I... wouldn't be surprised if Nanook was mafia or town. At times my read has fluctuated from quite strong town, back to null. He's not really gone over the null line into lean wolf territory for me yet though. Probably another Nanook late game dies for rand reasons and flips town game. I guess having that thought alone makes me want to townread him.

Neon - I wanna say they are likely to be town here because they are kind of more pure than I remember their wolfgame being but they aren't exactly an incompetent wolf. We have swept a town before as wolf teammates. Probably need more flips to really get an idea of what's going on here. Potential late game miselim.

SPF - I am following my usual pattern of feeling like SPF is lock town, tinfoiling them, massively questioning their reads... I am rather inclined to break my pattern here and sheep them somewhat but... I worry about that backfiring. SPF's day 2 has been quite tilting and I've vibed with very very little of what they've said though. But as I said, that's the pattern with me and SPF.

Town

Lucy
Arogame
Boq
Porscha
Seanzie

Lean Town

SPF
Nanook
Neon
Lilypetal

POE

Alison
Creature
Rondo

Here Aero

To answer the question SPF/Seanzie isnt a terrible idea, SPF/Lily is out, Seanzie/Lily is good potential since Mac was clearing SPF and the only reason I scum read her is because exactly what Mac said was a bad reason for SPF to be behaving the way she was exactly happened. So I really think SPF is a hit just off Mac saying the only reason SPF is acting the way she is towards Alison is if they are partnered.


BUT

Nanook/Aero is a team I can see and Aero/Seanzie

If someone can show me why they are not teamed that would help

Well I know those last 2 teams don't exist lol, but it seems like Seanzie exists in both of your possible teams you mentioned above based on the associations you have.

Can you explain the reason you mentioned you believe SPF is likely mafia based on the "Mac tinfoil" you stated. I remembered Mac was stating that SPF was unlikely to be partnered with Alison and more so with Creature bc she could be "bussing" on Creature.

The way I see it is, Mac says "SPF is probably town here except she is acting weird towards Alison, its probably fine except for if Alison is wolf then it would make sense why SPF is ignoring Alison for not doing what she usually does and also not pushing her as hard as I expected" then Alison flips wolf and Mac dies the same night.

@RondoDimBuckle - do you want to explain why you left out the part where mac said: "But that doesn't actually make sense either because her treatment of Alison has not been partner indicative" in the same post? did you actually just leave an entire part of mac's analysis out of your post because you knew it would make you look bad?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@staypositivefriend I assume that if you knew there was a difference check between them, you would kill Sean over rondo, yeah?

Basically I'm asking which you're more confident in being mafia if only one of them is

yeah, i'm more confident in seanzie being mafia than rondo since i think it's still theroetically possible for rondo to be an incorrect/misled villager and i think that seanzie has reacted and played this EOD significantly more wolfier than him

Ty, was pretty sure that was the case but wanted to check

[staypositivefriend]

if you just did something so blatantly dishonest as town then like jesus christ my dude

[RondoDimBuckle]

i'm really sleep deprived but i'll be around a decent amount tomorrow

really hope that i dont get miseliminated today because half the game is barely even playing when i am blatantly town to anyone who even slightly understands my wolf meta or how i tend to play games. if u cant figure out that im town then just trust that mac was right about me and that i wouldn't kill him when he was constantly shielding me

He did have a tinfoil because you were sheilding Alison knowing what kind of behaviour she could display and calling her town which could be why he died night 2. I am not going to shield your spot when exactly that happened and I haven't felt good about you all game

he actually went out of his way to call me his most confident townread and said that the way i was interacting with alison made me clearly unpartnered with her. if you're going to discredit the legacy of a dead player you should at least read what his posts were

Iook forward to quoting this when I get home

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Town with relatively large amount of confidence

SPF - SPF's pattern in this game matches her town game. Not only in the fact that she's attracting her usual share of random tinfoil from others (including me) but also in her own play. One thing I will say is that if Creature is town I don't think SPF is ever mafia. SPF as mafia would not bury a townie the way they've buried Creature today. SPF is hyper conscious of her TMI as mafia and she would be far more inclined to feel the need to be right on Creature, especially given Creature did not begin the day a foregone conclusion for a chop. The ONLY way this play makes sense for SPF is if either Creature is her partner and she is bussing him, or Alison is her partner and she is selling out her optics hard just to get Alison to day 3. But that doesn't actually make sense either because her treatment of Alison has not been partner indicative. Now the key here is that Creature is probably mafia regardless of SPF's alignment. If SPF is mafia, this is probably a bus, and if she is town, well she's SPF and when she zones in on a read like this I've rarely ever seen it be wrong.

Lucy - I can't really point at one individual thing here from inside the game but I've just had the sense she's been town the entire time. For her to be mafia she'd need to be pocketing me hard as she kept saying things like "Mac will get us a pelt" on repeat. Outside of that she would need to have levelled her mafia range quite substantially to be one here as she has hardly been pushed by a single player, which just doesn't feel like wolf Lucy would have occur.

NANOOK - I have been dwelling on this for a while, and I think the summary I made about Nanook's end of day 1 is nearly clearing for him. Wolf Nanook playing the EOD the way that he did and landing on town Falcon after being positioned to gain a lot of cred from wolf Alison flip doesn't make any sense. If Alison was town, the eod didn't require Nanook to do anything and his focus on not ensuring a tie, while perhaps could just have been him hamming it up, I don't think it was. He has not played day 2 like someone with any agenda.

Seanzie - I just think he's obvious town, like his play has a major lack of TMI to it. He's going through his town Seanzie pattern and has been the entire game. Dude is a polarised noob.

Rondo - He's obviously been very "townie" on day 2 with his catch up and really making himself the central person in the game, and while I don't think that alone is outside his scumrange, it isn't likely to be the way I'd expect scum Rondo to play after subbing in to a slank slot and starting the game off trolling. One post he made that really felt town was when he told Seanzie about the time he snowed me and how orgasmic it was. Given I was strongly townreading Rondo at that point and he knew it, his mindset would have been that he was in the midst of snowing me x 2 and I doubt it ever occurs to him to reminisce about the time that he did if he was in the middle of doing it again. Feels like one of those dumb reads that are right.

Porscha - Porscha's known scumrange has been exceeded. It is possible that she is being pushed into this but I feel like for her to exceed her scumrange the way she is she'd need to have a dance partner. As much as it might seem strange I think Porscha is only mafia if Alison is mafia and the day 1 was a drama show. That said, I also feel like if Porscha was a wolf (and especially if Alison was one partner), that this day 2 would be going very differently for her.

Here is another way to play.

10 v 3
8 v 3
6 v 3
4 v 3 limlo

Three mischops til f7.

Critically bad mischops are the players that the mafia will want to kill themselves. SPF, Arogame, Boquise, myself. Several of these players should be self resolved by f7. So you just shouldn't bother chopping this group and shouldn't even really bother even humouring it (even if one or several of us are wolves tbh). I think it's pro mafia to even tinfoil these four names honestly.

It should just be a combined effort primarily led by these four names to actually coordinate the chops because of that. Even if they are mafia it will be enticing to townside and bus.

If we're allowed to lead, and somehow get to f7 without any wolves dead, I'll retire from mafia (and it should also out some fools and give us the best chance of limlo anyway).

So @staypositivefriend @arogame123 @Boquise shall we get to work?

Obviously my strong preference today is to resolve Alison. If Alison flips town then I'd be 100% inclined to just kill whoever she leaves in her legacy.
I already know SPF doesn't subscribe to the idea of needing to resolve the day 1 wagons. Which bothers me a great deal especially when it's Alison of all people, someone I know SPF knows Alison can fool her. And I think I've made several compelling arguments for why Alison is a wolf. I don't think she is playing the game like town Alison really at all and hasn't been for most of it.

My feeling on each other slot:

arogame123 - I have had moments of tinfoil as I am prone to, but I don't have any interest in playing into it. Arogame has been largely a steadying influence on the game and I'd rather let them continue to do that. I don't really know exactly where their head is at though.

Porscha - I saw Boq and Arogame kind of coalesce on a townread here, I have a similar read for similar reasons. I think Porscha is out of her scumrange.

Boquise - Feels like the most sane person in the game every time they post. They come across like an adult who keeps checking on the kids and finding chaos every time.

Seanzie - There were some posts on day 1 that just felt townie. Seanzie has some seriously tilting takes but there is an overwhelming lack of TMI in their play. I just don't think Seanzie as a wolf plays this way (especially knowing I am town).

Creature - I really struggle to get past how Creature was handling the end of day. Pushing Falcon for their own reasons but continuously promoting the idea that I was alone in my Falcon push. Blaming me for it. Then coming out today and immediately putting me on the backfoot for chopping a town like chopping Falcon in a split is even AI for me to begin with. I just don't think his reads make any sense either.

Lilypetal - I feel weird about Lilypetal but I don't want to chop them. I don't really know how to articulate my feelings on Lilypetal and wouldn't mind fleshing out some feelings on this slot.

Lucy - Probably my strongest townread. I think Lucy has been exceedingly sensible throughout the entire game so far and has a fire to their play that I really vibe with.

Rondo/Sparkles - Sparkles was slanky wolfy. Rondo has been actively scummy with no remorse. That this slot is not being tunneled by the wolves is tripping me out even harder. I have no idea why this slot isn't more of a topic of conversation. Especially from someone like Alison who by their own mafia beliefs should be probably doming Rondo by now.

Nanook - I... wouldn't be surprised if Nanook was mafia or town. At times my read has fluctuated from quite strong town, back to null. He's not really gone over the null line into lean wolf territory for me yet though. Probably another Nanook late game dies for rand reasons and flips town game. I guess having that thought alone makes me want to townread him.

Neon - I wanna say they are likely to be town here because they are kind of more pure than I remember their wolfgame being but they aren't exactly an incompetent wolf. We have swept a town before as wolf teammates. Probably need more flips to really get an idea of what's going on here. Potential late game miselim.

SPF - I am following my usual pattern of feeling like SPF is lock town, tinfoiling them, massively questioning their reads... I am rather inclined to break my pattern here and sheep them somewhat but... I worry about that backfiring. SPF's day 2 has been quite tilting and I've vibed with very very little of what they've said though. But as I said, that's the pattern with me and SPF.

Town

Lucy
Arogame
Boq
Porscha
Seanzie

Lean Town

SPF
Nanook
Neon
Lilypetal

POE

Alison
Creature
Rondo

Here Aero

To answer the question SPF/Seanzie isnt a terrible idea, SPF/Lily is out, Seanzie/Lily is good potential since Mac was clearing SPF and the only reason I scum read her is because exactly what Mac said was a bad reason for SPF to be behaving the way she was exactly happened. So I really think SPF is a hit just off Mac saying the only reason SPF is acting the way she is towards Alison is if they are partnered.


BUT

Nanook/Aero is a team I can see and Aero/Seanzie

If someone can show me why they are not teamed that would help

Well I know those last 2 teams don't exist lol, but it seems like Seanzie exists in both of your possible teams you mentioned above based on the associations you have.

Can you explain the reason you mentioned you believe SPF is likely mafia based on the "Mac tinfoil" you stated. I remembered Mac was stating that SPF was unlikely to be partnered with Alison and more so with Creature bc she could be "bussing" on Creature.

The way I see it is, Mac says "SPF is probably town here except she is acting weird towards Alison, its probably fine except for if Alison is wolf then it would make sense why SPF is ignoring Alison for not doing what she usually does and also not pushing her as hard as I expected" then Alison flips wolf and Mac dies the same night.

@RondoDimBuckle - do you want to explain why you left out the part where mac said: "But that doesn't actually make sense either because her treatment of Alison has not been partner indicative" in the same post? did you actually just leave an entire part of mac's analysis out of your post because you knew it would make you look bad?

probably because I didnt agree with it. I am coming up with supporting statements not a fair and balanced assessment