Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:26 pmI see. And how has that ass moved, exactly?
I side with Golden in this kerfuffle, and not just because that was my predisposition. DH's objections feel arbitrary and/or to be missing the mark. That does not need to mean that he is mafia though.Spoiler: show
While I'm talking about DH, I want to revisit a point that Scotty made yesterday. DH spent some time ISOing everybody on Day 1. And while that work is appreciated, and he came out of it with reads, I do not feel as though he has had much momentum in pursuing those reads since. There has not been much, if any, follow through on the work he started.
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You guys know the objective of the game is to vote for people you think are bad?
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By 8 PM EST, yes. Is there more to this?DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:00 pm You guys know the objective of the game is to vote for people you think are bad?
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What about mafia reads?Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:56 pmI think this point may make Lorab difficult to read, or cause us to default to suspicion against her. This mindset is a bit of a relic from an earlier era of Syndicate games, where sharing town reads was seen as a hindrance because it gave the mafia a team a roadmap of which players to kill first. This means we are unlikely to get the type of reads out of Lorab that we would normally want, even if she is town.
Like…we’re almost at the end of day 2. We’ve had 2 deaths and plenty of talking points.
It’s like going to get a massage and the first 7 sessions with the masseuse are them talking about all the pressure points they’re going to hit and how great it’s going to feel…while never touching you.
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What wasn't clear about me explicitly saying what I thought about the people I took the time to read?Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 1:06 amI’m still up for some reason.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 12:54 amHe has not ruffled my feathers yet. I admittedly have not taken any time to focus on any players in particular this game. Nearly all of my activity has been sitting around and engaging with the thread in real time.
I expect to fix that tomorrow afternoon.
One thing I want to address is his ‘thorough’ reads of each player- the ones where he summarized every player’s narrative and put it in spoilers? In the moment it looks dandy, but at the end of it, I didn’t get a clear picture oh what conclusions he drew from it. It was as if he was just stenciling a Monet and presented it as his own art.
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DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:59 pmSloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:26 pmI see. And how has that ass moved, exactly?
I side with Golden in this kerfuffle, and not just because that was my predisposition. DH's objections feel arbitrary and/or to be missing the mark. That does not need to mean that he is mafia though.Spoiler: show
While I'm talking about DH, I want to revisit a point that Scotty made yesterday. DH spent some time ISOing everybody on Day 1. And while that work is appreciated, and he came out of it with reads, I do not feel as though he has had much momentum in pursuing those reads since. There has not been much, if any, follow through on the work he started.
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You made a breakdown of every player’s ISO, and then came out from all of that voting for GMan, correct?DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:02 pmWhat wasn't clear about me explicitly saying what I thought about the people I took the time to read?Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 1:06 amI’m still up for some reason.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 12:54 amHe has not ruffled my feathers yet. I admittedly have not taken any time to focus on any players in particular this game. Nearly all of my activity has been sitting around and engaging with the thread in real time.
I expect to fix that tomorrow afternoon.
One thing I want to address is his ‘thorough’ reads of each player- the ones where he summarized every player’s narrative and put it in spoilers? In the moment it looks dandy, but at the end of it, I didn’t get a clear picture oh what conclusions he drew from it. It was as if he was just stenciling a Monet and presented it as his own art.
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I can only assume the people voting for me/suspecting me are town because you would have to be dumb as hell to hem me of all players up in a lynch rather than just NKing me.
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To @LoRab I'll say this:Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:56 pmI think this point may make Lorab difficult to read, or cause us to default to suspicion against her. This mindset is a bit of a relic from an earlier era of Syndicate games, where sharing town reads was seen as a hindrance because it gave the mafia a team a roadmap of which players to kill first. This means we are unlikely to get the type of reads out of Lorab that we would normally want, even if she is town.
Unfortunately, the strategy of withholding town reads is unlikely to benefit you or anyone else in this game. For one, the majority of players in this game are not adhering to it. So even if you wish to keep your town reads secret, others are not inclined to do so. The advantage of "not helping mafia" is completely lost in this case. Instead, withholding your town reads is likely to only cause greater frustration for you and other civilians. You, because you may find it difficult to shake the suspicion against you. Others, because they will not find the type of content they are looking for from you.
Sharing town reads openly has become a central part of most players' approaches to game-solving. The idea is that civilians benefit from identifying one another and then working together, using process of elimination, to catch the bad guys. You may not agree with that approach. But it remains the case that there is little, if anything, to be gained by having one player opt not to share their town reads in an environment where the majority of players are freely expressing theirs.
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There’s wifom all the way down with you today.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:07 pm I can only assume the people voting for me/suspecting me are town because you would have to be dumb as hell to hem me of all players up in a lynch rather than just NKing me.
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Yes because I'm famously well known for employing WIFOM.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:09 pmThere’s wifom all the way down with you today.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:07 pm I can only assume the people voting for me/suspecting me are town because you would have to be dumb as hell to hem me of all players up in a lynch rather than just NKing me.
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I want to reiterate that I’m not suspicious of LoRab not having town reads per se. She can do that just as much as Golden can be smug about the little hats he puts on all of our action figures on his bookshelf.
I’m more critical of the way she’s defending herself and promising more and giving less
I’m more critical of the way she’s defending herself and promising more and giving less
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Q: how likely is the “multiple mafia teams” slip that DH had in multiple posts yesterday to come from a town vs a mafia mindset?
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To reshape this question: do we think a mafia member would also genuinely misread the role list in the original post and not know whether or not they were working against another mafia team?
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I don't know if this is sarcasm of not, but "I am employing wifom because I am famously known for employing wifom" is the exact "imitating yourself" thing I was talking about.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:10 pmYes because I'm famously well known for employing WIFOM.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:09 pmThere’s wifom all the way down with you today.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:07 pm I can only assume the people voting for me/suspecting me are town because you would have to be dumb as hell to hem me of all players up in a lynch rather than just NKing me.
It reads to me like you're trying to 'be DH' instead of actually just... solving some stuff.
Sloonei's point that you are not doing anything to perpetuate your reads is on point. I was asking you why you'd vote Scotty or G-Man today because at this point, to me, your vote for G-Man reads like a throaway excuse to not follow through on your obsession with Scotty.
I think there's a good chance you and scotty are w/w. I'm gonna be reading Scotty's posts to see if they back that up today.
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I don't think its alignment indicative unless you consider that if I am SK or Mafia I tend to dig my teeth into the game more than if I am CIV vis-a-vis mechanics and I also tend not to put my foot in my mouth and I also tend not to do anything to draw an unnecessary amount of attention to myself.
But I personally don't think it means much, from an alignment perspective.
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I semi-solved the FEB secrets and nobody cared :PGolden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:15 pmI don't know if this is sarcasm of not, but "I am employing wifom because I am famously known for employing wifom" is the exact "imitating yourself" thing I was talking about.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:10 pmYes because I'm famously well known for employing WIFOM.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:09 pmThere’s wifom all the way down with you today.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:07 pm I can only assume the people voting for me/suspecting me are town because you would have to be dumb as hell to hem me of all players up in a lynch rather than just NKing me.
It reads to me like you're trying to 'be DH' instead of actually just... solving some stuff.
Sloonei's point that you are not doing anything to perpetuate your reads is on point. I was asking you why you'd vote Scotty or G-Man today because at this point, to me, your vote for G-Man reads like a throaway excuse to not follow through on your obsession with Scotty.
I think there's a good chance you and scotty are w/w. I'm gonna be reading Scotty's posts to see if they back that up today.
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Wtf I just noticed Mac is also voting for Quin with JJJ.
What is this, another prison outbreak in Turf Wars?
What is this, another prison outbreak in Turf Wars?
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Is that number exactly ne?Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 2:50 pmNot really. To the same degree that I would expect mafia to play with the same level of activity they’ve already played with.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 5:48 am Anyone think that its worth noting that only a handful of people participated in the Prog thing and that mafia would be more incentivized to do that
I’m more perplexed by the amount of people that seem to have admitted submitting a song and either didn’t follow the rules or just didn’t get judged for whatever reason
I think it's only me. (I really did think I'd submitted a song, turns out it me pushing submit might have just sent it to drafts or something, and I didn't actually get it the full way to being sent.)
I submitted "Pull me Under" by Dream Theater. Yes, there is an under 6 minute 'official' version on Youtube if you search.
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No it doesn't because I read G-Man as bad and voted for him and repeatedly asked him to address my suspicions and he wouldn't.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:15 pmI don't know if this is sarcasm of not, but "I am employing wifom because I am famously known for employing wifom" is the exact "imitating yourself" thing I was talking about.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:10 pmYes because I'm famously well known for employing WIFOM.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:09 pmThere’s wifom all the way down with you today.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:07 pm I can only assume the people voting for me/suspecting me are town because you would have to be dumb as hell to hem me of all players up in a lynch rather than just NKing me.
It reads to me like you're trying to 'be DH' instead of actually just... solving some stuff.
Sloonei's point that you are not doing anything to perpetuate your reads is on point. I was asking you why you'd vote Scotty or G-Man today because at this point, to me, your vote for G-Man reads like a throaway excuse to not follow through on your obsession with Scotty.
I think there's a good chance you and scotty are w/w. I'm gonna be reading Scotty's posts to see if they back that up today.
No it doesn't because I explicitly said why I suspect G-Man and voted for G-Man.
Can someone please read any fucking post I make please God I'm begging you.
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thanks, keep that healthy suspicion on me.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:15 pmI don't know if this is sarcasm of not, but "I am employing wifom because I am famously known for employing wifom" is the exact "imitating yourself" thing I was talking about.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:10 pmYes because I'm famously well known for employing WIFOM.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:09 pmThere’s wifom all the way down with you today.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:07 pm I can only assume the people voting for me/suspecting me are town because you would have to be dumb as hell to hem me of all players up in a lynch rather than just NKing me.
It reads to me like you're trying to 'be DH' instead of actually just... solving some stuff.
Sloonei's point that you are not doing anything to perpetuate your reads is on point. I was asking you why you'd vote Scotty or G-Man today because at this point, to me, your vote for G-Man reads like a throaway excuse to not follow through on your obsession with Scotty.
I think there's a good chance you and scotty are w/w. I'm gonna be reading Scotty's posts to see if they back that up today.
I just rechecked DH’s ISO parade from yesterday and found his progression actually much smoother and logical than I remember. He does express the most suspicion on GMan, with some others sprinkled in. He even added his list of 5 people he would be willing to vote towards end of day, with GMan at the top.
Now, Elo was also on that list, and he didn’t go near that wagon and was fine standing pat on a vanity wagon, so that’s not the greatest look. But his suspicion progression isn’t out of nowhere
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THANK FUCKScotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:20 pmthanks, keep that healthy suspicion on me.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:15 pmI don't know if this is sarcasm of not, but "I am employing wifom because I am famously known for employing wifom" is the exact "imitating yourself" thing I was talking about.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:10 pmYes because I'm famously well known for employing WIFOM.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:09 pmThere’s wifom all the way down with you today.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:07 pm I can only assume the people voting for me/suspecting me are town because you would have to be dumb as hell to hem me of all players up in a lynch rather than just NKing me.
It reads to me like you're trying to 'be DH' instead of actually just... solving some stuff.
Sloonei's point that you are not doing anything to perpetuate your reads is on point. I was asking you why you'd vote Scotty or G-Man today because at this point, to me, your vote for G-Man reads like a throaway excuse to not follow through on your obsession with Scotty.
I think there's a good chance you and scotty are w/w. I'm gonna be reading Scotty's posts to see if they back that up today.
I just rechecked DH’s ISO parade from yesterday and found his progression actually much smoother and logical than I remember. He does express the most suspicion on GMan, with some others sprinkled in. He even added his list of 5 people he would be willing to vote towards end of day, with GMan at the top.
Now, Elo was also on that list, and he didn’t go near that wagon and was fine standing pat on a vanity wagon, so that’s not the greatest look. But his suspicion progression isn’t out of nowhere
Crazy how when you read what I post you can see the things that I posted.
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He fixated on you all freaking day until the isos. I liked the logic for his suspicion on the iso, and he did make the list of five that suddenly had G-Man at the top long enough to vote G-Man and not you...Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:20 pmthanks, keep that healthy suspicion on me.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:15 pmI don't know if this is sarcasm of not, but "I am employing wifom because I am famously known for employing wifom" is the exact "imitating yourself" thing I was talking about.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:10 pmYes because I'm famously well known for employing WIFOM.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:09 pmThere’s wifom all the way down with you today.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:07 pm I can only assume the people voting for me/suspecting me are town because you would have to be dumb as hell to hem me of all players up in a lynch rather than just NKing me.
It reads to me like you're trying to 'be DH' instead of actually just... solving some stuff.
Sloonei's point that you are not doing anything to perpetuate your reads is on point. I was asking you why you'd vote Scotty or G-Man today because at this point, to me, your vote for G-Man reads like a throaway excuse to not follow through on your obsession with Scotty.
I think there's a good chance you and scotty are w/w. I'm gonna be reading Scotty's posts to see if they back that up today.
I just rechecked DH’s ISO parade from yesterday and found his progression actually much smoother and logical than I remember. He does express the most suspicion on GMan, with some others sprinkled in. He even added his list of 5 people he would be willing to vote towards end of day, with GMan at the top.
Now, Elo was also on that list, and he didn’t go near that wagon and was fine standing pat on a vanity wagon, so that’s not the greatest look. But his suspicion progression isn’t out of nowhere
And promptly seems to have forgotten his suspicion on G-Man ever existed.
His day one didn't ping me. His day two is what pings me.
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Have any of your reads developed since you shared all your work on Day 1?DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:07 pm I can only assume the people voting for me/suspecting me are town because you would have to be dumb as hell to hem me of all players up in a lynch rather than just NKing me.
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I went back and read your entire iso last night DH. I encourage others to do the same.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:21 pmTHANK FUCKScotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:20 pmthanks, keep that healthy suspicion on me.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:15 pmI don't know if this is sarcasm of not, but "I am employing wifom because I am famously known for employing wifom" is the exact "imitating yourself" thing I was talking about.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:10 pmYes because I'm famously well known for employing WIFOM.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:09 pmThere’s wifom all the way down with you today.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:07 pm I can only assume the people voting for me/suspecting me are town because you would have to be dumb as hell to hem me of all players up in a lynch rather than just NKing me.
It reads to me like you're trying to 'be DH' instead of actually just... solving some stuff.
Sloonei's point that you are not doing anything to perpetuate your reads is on point. I was asking you why you'd vote Scotty or G-Man today because at this point, to me, your vote for G-Man reads like a throaway excuse to not follow through on your obsession with Scotty.
I think there's a good chance you and scotty are w/w. I'm gonna be reading Scotty's posts to see if they back that up today.
I just rechecked DH’s ISO parade from yesterday and found his progression actually much smoother and logical than I remember. He does express the most suspicion on GMan, with some others sprinkled in. He even added his list of 5 people he would be willing to vote towards end of day, with GMan at the top.
Now, Elo was also on that list, and he didn’t go near that wagon and was fine standing pat on a vanity wagon, so that’s not the greatest look. But his suspicion progression isn’t out of nowhere
Crazy how when you read what I post you can see the things that I posted.
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Are you doing a bitGolden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:22 pmHe fixated on you all freaking day until the isos. I liked the logic for his suspicion on the iso, and he did make the list of five that suddenly had G-Man at the top long enough to vote G-Man and not you...Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:20 pmthanks, keep that healthy suspicion on me.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:15 pmI don't know if this is sarcasm of not, but "I am employing wifom because I am famously known for employing wifom" is the exact "imitating yourself" thing I was talking about.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:10 pmYes because I'm famously well known for employing WIFOM.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:09 pmThere’s wifom all the way down with you today.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:07 pm I can only assume the people voting for me/suspecting me are town because you would have to be dumb as hell to hem me of all players up in a lynch rather than just NKing me.
It reads to me like you're trying to 'be DH' instead of actually just... solving some stuff.
Sloonei's point that you are not doing anything to perpetuate your reads is on point. I was asking you why you'd vote Scotty or G-Man today because at this point, to me, your vote for G-Man reads like a throaway excuse to not follow through on your obsession with Scotty.
I think there's a good chance you and scotty are w/w. I'm gonna be reading Scotty's posts to see if they back that up today.
I just rechecked DH’s ISO parade from yesterday and found his progression actually much smoother and logical than I remember. He does express the most suspicion on GMan, with some others sprinkled in. He even added his list of 5 people he would be willing to vote towards end of day, with GMan at the top.
Now, Elo was also on that list, and he didn’t go near that wagon and was fine standing pat on a vanity wagon, so that’s not the greatest look. But his suspicion progression isn’t out of nowhere
And promptly seems to have forgotten his suspicion on G-Man ever existed.
His day one didn't ping me. His day two is what pings me.
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Nobody would read them if I did anyway so who caresSloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:23 pmHave any of your reads developed since you shared all your work on Day 1?DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:07 pm I can only assume the people voting for me/suspecting me are town because you would have to be dumb as hell to hem me of all players up in a lynch rather than just NKing me.
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I know at least Lorab was another one that said they submitted and it disappearedGolden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:19 pmIs that number exactly ne?Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 2:50 pmNot really. To the same degree that I would expect mafia to play with the same level of activity they’ve already played with.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 5:48 am Anyone think that its worth noting that only a handful of people participated in the Prog thing and that mafia would be more incentivized to do that
I’m more perplexed by the amount of people that seem to have admitted submitting a song and either didn’t follow the rules or just didn’t get judged for whatever reason
I think it's only me. (I really did think I'd submitted a song, turns out it me pushing submit might have just sent it to drafts or something, and I didn't actually get it the full way to being sent.)
I submitted "Pull me Under" by Dream Theater. Yes, there is an under 6 minute 'official' version on Youtube if you search.
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I am asking explicitly because I want to talk about your reads with you. I don’t need fully detailed ISOs. I just want to see what progress has been made.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:24 pmNobody would read them if I did anyway so who caresSloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:23 pmHave any of your reads developed since you shared all your work on Day 1?DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:07 pm I can only assume the people voting for me/suspecting me are town because you would have to be dumb as hell to hem me of all players up in a lynch rather than just NKing me.
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No sorry thats not fair, Scotty would read them.
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DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:21 pmTHANK FUCKScotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:20 pmthanks, keep that healthy suspicion on me.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:15 pmI don't know if this is sarcasm of not, but "I am employing wifom because I am famously known for employing wifom" is the exact "imitating yourself" thing I was talking about.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:10 pmYes because I'm famously well known for employing WIFOM.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:09 pmThere’s wifom all the way down with you today.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:07 pm I can only assume the people voting for me/suspecting me are town because you would have to be dumb as hell to hem me of all players up in a lynch rather than just NKing me.
It reads to me like you're trying to 'be DH' instead of actually just... solving some stuff.
Sloonei's point that you are not doing anything to perpetuate your reads is on point. I was asking you why you'd vote Scotty or G-Man today because at this point, to me, your vote for G-Man reads like a throaway excuse to not follow through on your obsession with Scotty.
I think there's a good chance you and scotty are w/w. I'm gonna be reading Scotty's posts to see if they back that up today.
I just rechecked DH’s ISO parade from yesterday and found his progression actually much smoother and logical than I remember. He does express the most suspicion on GMan, with some others sprinkled in. He even added his list of 5 people he would be willing to vote towards end of day, with GMan at the top.
Now, Elo was also on that list, and he didn’t go near that wagon and was fine standing pat on a vanity wagon, so that’s not the greatest look. But his suspicion progression isn’t out of nowhere
Crazy how when you read what I post you can see the things that I posted.
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I don't feel any better about G-Man, I don't feel any better about Scotty, I don't think I feel any better about NAA/Vivax (and the propensity for Mafia to be substitute-priority doesn't help here)Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:26 pmI am asking explicitly because I want to talk about your reads with you. I don’t need fully detailed ISOs. I just want to see what progress has been made.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:24 pmNobody would read them if I did anyway so who caresSloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:23 pmHave any of your reads developed since you shared all your work on Day 1?DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:07 pm I can only assume the people voting for me/suspecting me are town because you would have to be dumb as hell to hem me of all players up in a lynch rather than just NKing me.
Other than that I don't really care/don't have anything of substance to offer.
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Golden is obviously doing a bit where he says provably untrue things about my posts to wind me up and it is very funny.
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I'm not sure if Quin is on LoraB for the same reasons as Scotty.
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That’s fair. His Day 2 attitude does seem to just be obstinate.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:22 pmHe fixated on you all freaking day until the isos. I liked the logic for his suspicion on the iso, and he did make the list of five that suddenly had G-Man at the top long enough to vote G-Man and not you...Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:20 pmthanks, keep that healthy suspicion on me.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:15 pmI don't know if this is sarcasm of not, but "I am employing wifom because I am famously known for employing wifom" is the exact "imitating yourself" thing I was talking about.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:10 pmYes because I'm famously well known for employing WIFOM.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:09 pmThere’s wifom all the way down with you today.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:07 pm I can only assume the people voting for me/suspecting me are town because you would have to be dumb as hell to hem me of all players up in a lynch rather than just NKing me.
It reads to me like you're trying to 'be DH' instead of actually just... solving some stuff.
Sloonei's point that you are not doing anything to perpetuate your reads is on point. I was asking you why you'd vote Scotty or G-Man today because at this point, to me, your vote for G-Man reads like a throaway excuse to not follow through on your obsession with Scotty.
I think there's a good chance you and scotty are w/w. I'm gonna be reading Scotty's posts to see if they back that up today.
I just rechecked DH’s ISO parade from yesterday and found his progression actually much smoother and logical than I remember. He does express the most suspicion on GMan, with some others sprinkled in. He even added his list of 5 people he would be willing to vote towards end of day, with GMan at the top.
Now, Elo was also on that list, and he didn’t go near that wagon and was fine standing pat on a vanity wagon, so that’s not the greatest look. But his suspicion progression isn’t out of nowhere
And promptly seems to have forgotten his suspicion on G-Man ever existed.
His day one didn't ping me. His day two is what pings me.
I think asking where his GMan suspicion is fair.
I could even unironically see a DH/GMan pairing even though I have GMan as a Townread. GMan was never taking off as a wagon yesterday.
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I've made a vow to myself not to be wound up and have circular conversations like I used to easily get to in the past. They're unproductive, they're circular, and not fun for others. I don't want to be *that* Golden any more.
I'm not tunnelling on you, I've spent quite enough bandwidth talking about you, and I have other things to say and talk about.
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God I hate when audience members interrupt the comedian on stage to do a bit.Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:30 pmThat’s fair. His Day 2 attitude does seem to just be obstinate.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:22 pmHe fixated on you all freaking day until the isos. I liked the logic for his suspicion on the iso, and he did make the list of five that suddenly had G-Man at the top long enough to vote G-Man and not you...Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:20 pmthanks, keep that healthy suspicion on me.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:15 pmI don't know if this is sarcasm of not, but "I am employing wifom because I am famously known for employing wifom" is the exact "imitating yourself" thing I was talking about.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:10 pmYes because I'm famously well known for employing WIFOM.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:09 pmThere’s wifom all the way down with you today.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:07 pm I can only assume the people voting for me/suspecting me are town because you would have to be dumb as hell to hem me of all players up in a lynch rather than just NKing me.
It reads to me like you're trying to 'be DH' instead of actually just... solving some stuff.
Sloonei's point that you are not doing anything to perpetuate your reads is on point. I was asking you why you'd vote Scotty or G-Man today because at this point, to me, your vote for G-Man reads like a throaway excuse to not follow through on your obsession with Scotty.
I think there's a good chance you and scotty are w/w. I'm gonna be reading Scotty's posts to see if they back that up today.
I just rechecked DH’s ISO parade from yesterday and found his progression actually much smoother and logical than I remember. He does express the most suspicion on GMan, with some others sprinkled in. He even added his list of 5 people he would be willing to vote towards end of day, with GMan at the top.
Now, Elo was also on that list, and he didn’t go near that wagon and was fine standing pat on a vanity wagon, so that’s not the greatest look. But his suspicion progression isn’t out of nowhere
And promptly seems to have forgotten his suspicion on G-Man ever existed.
His day one didn't ping me. His day two is what pings me.
I think asking where his GMan suspicion is fair.
I could even unironically see a DH/GMan pairing even though I have GMan as a Townread. GMan was never taking off as a wagon yesterday.
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DH, do I what I do: post your thoughts with wild abandon like no one’s watching.
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If you are genuinely town, DH/Gman is an alternative, but less plausible in my mind, explanation for what was happening.Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:30 pmThat’s fair. His Day 2 attitude does seem to just be obstinate.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:22 pmHe fixated on you all freaking day until the isos. I liked the logic for his suspicion on the iso, and he did make the list of five that suddenly had G-Man at the top long enough to vote G-Man and not you...Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:20 pmthanks, keep that healthy suspicion on me.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:15 pmI don't know if this is sarcasm of not, but "I am employing wifom because I am famously known for employing wifom" is the exact "imitating yourself" thing I was talking about.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:10 pmYes because I'm famously well known for employing WIFOM.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:09 pmThere’s wifom all the way down with you today.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:07 pm I can only assume the people voting for me/suspecting me are town because you would have to be dumb as hell to hem me of all players up in a lynch rather than just NKing me.
It reads to me like you're trying to 'be DH' instead of actually just... solving some stuff.
Sloonei's point that you are not doing anything to perpetuate your reads is on point. I was asking you why you'd vote Scotty or G-Man today because at this point, to me, your vote for G-Man reads like a throaway excuse to not follow through on your obsession with Scotty.
I think there's a good chance you and scotty are w/w. I'm gonna be reading Scotty's posts to see if they back that up today.
I just rechecked DH’s ISO parade from yesterday and found his progression actually much smoother and logical than I remember. He does express the most suspicion on GMan, with some others sprinkled in. He even added his list of 5 people he would be willing to vote towards end of day, with GMan at the top.
Now, Elo was also on that list, and he didn’t go near that wagon and was fine standing pat on a vanity wagon, so that’s not the greatest look. But his suspicion progression isn’t out of nowhere
And promptly seems to have forgotten his suspicion on G-Man ever existed.
His day one didn't ping me. His day two is what pings me.
I think asking where his GMan suspicion is fair.
I could even unironically see a DH/GMan pairing even though I have GMan as a Townread. GMan was never taking off as a wagon yesterday.
Scotty, you cannot legitimately tell me, if you've read his posts back, that he was not fixated on you all the way until the isos, and then again on day 2. He's married to you and he just flirted with G-Man when he saw him at the bar one night.
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I don't know why you would say provably untrue things about my posts and use them to justify votes/suspicions against me and then expect to be able to walk away without push back, but I do find it very funny.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:31 pmI've made a vow to myself not to be wound up and have circular conversations like I used to easily get to in the past. They're unproductive, they're circular, and not fun for others. I don't want to be *that* Golden any more.
I'm not tunnelling on you, I've spent quite enough bandwidth talking about you, and I have other things to say and talk about.
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Allow me to elaborate. The Lorab vote was starting to feel kind of wagony to me, and then she came in and was so ridiculously unhelpful that it made me wonder whether a baddie who was leading the lynch poll wouldn't try harder to muster some kind of a defense. Also, my suspicion of Quin is older and more deeply rooted in my brain, so I want to follow it and see where it leads.Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:52 pm…what? That’s some weird logical leaps. That’s like having a terrible meal at restaurant, jumping to your feet and explaining in outrage “this food is disgusting!” Then paying with a 30% tip and coming back the next day for lunch.thellama73 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 11:38 am You know what, I changed my mind. [VOTE: Quin] aubergine
Sloonei, I appreciate you elaborating on your town read of Quin. I think it is sincere. However, I don't see those things as obviously indicative of alignment as you do. For example, remembering patters from a previous game is something anyone can do, not just civilians. So my vote stays on Quin for the time being, but I didn't want you to think your input was being ignored.
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I don't want to live in that universe.
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Dont mind me just forgetting my G-Man suspicion exists lmao I'm so crazy.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 8:19 am Genuinely haven't read much recently, did G-Man ever address anything I said or is he suffering the same "I can't see DH's posts" affliction that sig was?
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In other news, I like Vivax2.0’s entrance to the day so far.
Sounds like the same Vivax as before. Could even be the same guy
Sounds like the same Vivax as before. Could even be the same guy
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I wanted to go back and see the last time G-Man posted because it feels like he's been gone forever. I see he has real life issues, but I'm tempted to vote for him just for the blasphemy of trick or treating on October 27 instead of the 31st.G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 9:21 pm Veering into a tough 48-hour stretch for RL (tomorrow night is Trick-or-Treat and Friday is my wife's 40th birthday), but I will do my best to go behind my wife's back and ignore my children enough to participate a bit wherever possible.
RIP Splints. At least we know that, with 3P Vivax gone, it's just civ-vs-mafia, so maybe Splints can get rezzed when we come to that. I'm going to ignore my work and try to re-read some of the eod weirdness for anything that stands out.
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Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:33 pmIf you are genuinely town, DH/Gman is an alternative, but less plausible in my mind, explanation for what was happening.Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:30 pmThat’s fair. His Day 2 attitude does seem to just be obstinate.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:22 pmHe fixated on you all freaking day until the isos. I liked the logic for his suspicion on the iso, and he did make the list of five that suddenly had G-Man at the top long enough to vote G-Man and not you...Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:20 pmthanks, keep that healthy suspicion on me.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:15 pmI don't know if this is sarcasm of not, but "I am employing wifom because I am famously known for employing wifom" is the exact "imitating yourself" thing I was talking about.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:10 pmYes because I'm famously well known for employing WIFOM.
It reads to me like you're trying to 'be DH' instead of actually just... solving some stuff.
Sloonei's point that you are not doing anything to perpetuate your reads is on point. I was asking you why you'd vote Scotty or G-Man today because at this point, to me, your vote for G-Man reads like a throaway excuse to not follow through on your obsession with Scotty.
I think there's a good chance you and scotty are w/w. I'm gonna be reading Scotty's posts to see if they back that up today.
I just rechecked DH’s ISO parade from yesterday and found his progression actually much smoother and logical than I remember. He does express the most suspicion on GMan, with some others sprinkled in. He even added his list of 5 people he would be willing to vote towards end of day, with GMan at the top.
Now, Elo was also on that list, and he didn’t go near that wagon and was fine standing pat on a vanity wagon, so that’s not the greatest look. But his suspicion progression isn’t out of nowhere
And promptly seems to have forgotten his suspicion on G-Man ever existed.
His day one didn't ping me. His day two is what pings me.
I think asking where his GMan suspicion is fair.
I could even unironically see a DH/GMan pairing even though I have GMan as a Townread. GMan was never taking off as a wagon yesterday.
Scotty, you cannot legitimately tell me, if you've read his posts back, that he was not fixated on you all the way until the isos, and then again on day 2. He's married to you and he just flirted with G-Man when he saw him at the bar one night.
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Yeah well I want just one person to read anything I post so we don't always get what we want now do we.
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“she came in and was so ridiculously unhelpful that it made me wonder whether a baddie who was leading the lynch poll wouldn't try harder to muster some kind of a defense.”thellama73 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:34 pmAllow me to elaborate. The Lorab vote was starting to feel kind of wagony to me, and then she came in and was so ridiculously unhelpful that it made me wonder whether a baddie who was leading the lynch poll wouldn't try harder to muster some kind of a defense. Also, my suspicion of Quin is older and more deeply rooted in my brain, so I want to follow it and see where it leads.Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:52 pm…what? That’s some weird logical leaps. That’s like having a terrible meal at restaurant, jumping to your feet and explaining in outrage “this food is disgusting!” Then paying with a 30% tip and coming back the next day for lunch.thellama73 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 11:38 am You know what, I changed my mind. [VOTE: Quin] aubergine
Sloonei, I appreciate you elaborating on your town read of Quin. I think it is sincere. However, I don't see those things as obviously indicative of alignment as you do. For example, remembering patters from a previous game is something anyone can do, not just civilians. So my vote stays on Quin for the time being, but I didn't want you to think your input was being ignored.
I think another perspective to look from is whether or not she wouldn’t do this as mafia. She basically doubled down with her gameplay. We’re 3 hours from end of day, and she has had ample opportunities to provide productive discussion after she has publicly admitted that she should have some semblance of a real schedule for this phase. Why is a wagon forming a bad thing? There are more civilians than mafia.
You’re fine to vote for Quin, it just felt silly to shake your finger at her and then kick the guy who already…also..has a wagon.
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I had stuff to say on Quin/Sloonei but I'm actually going to step away for a while.