Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]

[LoRab]

You know what I love--players telling me how I should play the game. Seriously. It's my favorite. Almost as much as when people say that civvies deserved to be lynched.

I wish I were bad--I find being bad much easier, but here we are. I'm civ. I wish I were able to help the civvies win.

If I'm lynched, go after Kate and Bea next. Scotty isn't making me feel great. Llama may also be a baddie--I keep going back and forth on him. And Dr Wilgy needs to stop licking people and hiding behind his goofiness--it is making me increasingly suspect him.

[DharmaHelper]

Michelle

Spoiler: show

Wants to "sheep" which is just, not a good look. Forgets why they think Bea/Llama are town which is interesting. Thinks Sloonei's vote is weak.

Overall Read - I don't like the idea of sheeping, at all, ever. I also don't think the theorycrafting around the Splints NK reads as town.

Quin
Tries to guilt Sloonei into backing off by saying Sloonei is "better" than gut reading him.
Tacks on To the LoRab suspicion.
Votes LoRab

Overall Read - Not a whole hell of a lot of individuality to go on. The long LoRab post is detailed but is more "please explain" and less "This is proof of baddie behavior". Tough to get a solid read out of any of it.

[DharmaHelper]

I'm bored of ISOing now.

[DharmaHelper]

You know what I love--players telling me how I should play the game. Seriously. It's my favorite. Almost as much as when people say that civvies deserved to be lynched.

I wish I were bad--I find being bad much easier, but here we are. I'm civ. I wish I were able to help the civvies win.

If I'm lynched, go after Kate and Bea next. Scotty isn't making me feel great. Llama may also be a baddie--I keep going back and forth on him. And Dr Wilgy needs to stop licking people and hiding behind his goofiness--it is making me increasingly suspect him.

Kate AND bea? Double Self-Mafia targets? Or redirect fuzziness? Or what?

[DharmaHelper]

Oh wait the Bea thing might not be mafia targeting related. Yeah okay.

[DrWilgy]

You know what I love--players telling me how I should play the game. Seriously. It's my favorite. Almost as much as when people say that civvies deserved to be lynched.

I wish I were bad--I find being bad much easier, but here we are. I'm civ. I wish I were able to help the civvies win.

If I'm lynched, go after Kate and Bea next. Scotty isn't making me feel great. Llama may also be a baddie--I keep going back and forth on him. And Dr Wilgy needs to stop licking people and hiding behind his goofiness--it is making me increasingly suspect him.

Yeah, you are probably right. I've drawn absolutely no conclusions this game.

[DFaraday]

Sirry fir my ubsanca, E well try ti ba mira prasant miveng firwurd. E well raud tha lust faw pugas und jost gi frim thara, bacuosa itharwesa E well navar ba cuoght op.

[DharmaHelper]

I suppose its not NOT insignificant that G-Man's most recent post continues to ignore the points against him but I guess thats cool.

[thellama73]

You know what I love--players telling me how I should play the game. Seriously. It's my favorite. Almost as much as when people say that civvies deserved to be lynched.

You should have used sarcastic orange for this.

[Golden]

I'm a dummy.

Srs business:

"Any player who breaks a rule will be insanified the following day"

Bea and DF broke the srs business rule somehow.

[DharmaHelper]

I'm a dummy.

Srs business:

"Any player who breaks a rule will be insanified the following day"

Bea and DF broke the srs business rule somehow.

Very funny, actually.

[DharmaHelper]

I'm a dummy.

Srs business:

"Any player who breaks a rule will be insanified the following day"

Bea and DF broke the srs business rule somehow.

Congratulations on pre-emptively insanifying yourself by insulting your intelligence and breaking that rule.

[Golden]

Hey, I went back to read Scotty's case on LoRab and found something interesting. He quoted this.

@LoRab got any reads yet?

I don’t like how quiet it is. Suggests the mafia are under no real pressure at all. The game is coasting.

Not really. I’m not thinking about bea and kate until tomorrow. And really wanting to know what happened to bea. I have more players I feel good about than am suspish of. Which makes sense in terms of numbers, but is annoying. Not wanting to name who I feel goosed about because don’t want to help mafia. And not convinced the game secrets don’t contain weirdness that makes the allegiances less obvious than they seem.

LoRab 'not thinking about bea and kate until tomorrow', which in the moment I took as a statement about the fact they were insanified and our old school policy of not lynching people who couldn't speak in their defence (and I think this is an accurate read of the meaning of the statement still). But she has also now said that's who she specifically suspects.

LoRab, could you speak as to why you'd have us look at those two specifically if you flip civ?

[Golden]

I'm a dummy.

Srs business:

"Any player who breaks a rule will be insanified the following day"

Bea and DF broke the srs business rule somehow.

Congratulations on pre-emptively insanifying yourself by insulting your intelligence and breaking that rule.

Do you think I did?

[Golden]

You know what I love--players telling me how I should play the game. Seriously. It's my favorite. Almost as much as when people say that civvies deserved to be lynched.

You should have used sarcastic orange for this.

Sarcastic orange is dead

[DharmaHelper]

You called yourself a dummy, which is both an insult and untrue and breaks the "don't be mean" rule.

[thellama73]

You know what I love--players telling me how I should play the game. Seriously. It's my favorite. Almost as much as when people say that civvies deserved to be lynched.

You should have used sarcastic orange for this.

Sarcastic orange is dead

Good. I always hated it. Jokes are not funny if you have to explain that they are jokes.

[Vivax]

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Going along with llama here and also by exclusion

[DharmaHelper]

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Going along with llama here and also by exclusion

Feeling less good about NAA+Vivax but w/e

[Golden]

You called yourself a dummy, which is both an insult and untrue and breaks the "don't be mean" rule.

But I should also have solved it as fast as I solved rez pls and vomps, because someone solved most of it but the word insanified already.

[thellama73]

Cranky Lorab feels like a frustrated civ to me, as does Golden's little tantrum earlier. I'm happy with my vote.

[Sloonei]

I dislike the votes on Quin.

[Sloonei]

Cranky Lorab feels like a frustrated civ to me, as does Golden's little tantrum earlier. I'm happy with my vote.

Do you have any off-the-radar suspects who we have not spent much tome talking about?

[LoRab]

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine for the sole purpose of self preservation.

Hey, I went back to read Scotty's case on LoRab and found something interesting. He quoted this.

@LoRab got any reads yet?

I don’t like how quiet it is. Suggests the mafia are under no real pressure at all. The game is coasting.

Not really. I’m not thinking about bea and kate until tomorrow. And really wanting to know what happened to bea. I have more players I feel good about than am suspish of. Which makes sense in terms of numbers, but is annoying. Not wanting to name who I feel goosed about because don’t want to help mafia. And not convinced the game secrets don’t contain weirdness that makes the allegiances less obvious than they seem.

LoRab 'not thinking about bea and kate until tomorrow', which in the moment I took as a statement about the fact they were insanified and our old school policy of not lynching people who couldn't speak in their defence (and I think this is an accurate read of the meaning of the statement still). But she has also now said that's who she specifically suspects.

LoRab, could you speak as to why you'd have us look at those two specifically if you flip civ?

I indeed don't believe in going after people who cannot respond, as part of my own mafia playing ethics. And yes, I suspect them both. I think a good move for a mafia team is to control the posting of a teamate on night 1. She was quick to vote for me today and should know better than to see my play as evil. (unless it was a forced vote)--but in general, I'm not seeing civ-Kate. Bea--her tone is off.

[DrWilgy]

@Golden move your vote to DH. Let's make this a spicy boi

[Sloonei]

I am uncertain what to do with LoRab. I agree that her frustrated outburst seems sincere. I am also wary that she is perhaps the easiest target for suspicion in this thread right now.

But I also cannot help but be underwhelmed by her play. And I vaguely recall her expressing similar frustration after being correctly identified as mafia one time several years ago.

[DrWilgy]

No one wanting the super sexy 3 way tie?

Y'all boring.

[Golden]

OK so the sloonei/quin thoughts I had earlier.

Sloonei gave me pause in my voting for Quin with his curious and strong insistence. I don't hold the same town read as Sloonei does based on Quin's posts in the thread, but I did think through the worlds that would make Sloonei so defensive of Quin and come up with the following thoughts. (worlds are S/Q)

T/T - there are roles that could lead to Sloonei being strongly defensive against a Quin vote. Or the possibility that Sloonei just has a good read, but Sloonei's particular insistence on quin as top town read makes this feel a little less likely. It doesn't hurt that, before the Quin defence, I already read Sloonei as hinting towards a possible world where his read of Quin makes sense.
T/W - in this world, Sloonei has no info and he's just radically mistaken. Still seems quite plausible.
W/T - Sloonei is going all in on preventing a Quin flip, with the hope that Quin flips anyway and Sloonei gets cred (seems unlikely).
W/W - Sloonei defending Quin so wildly that no one would suspect him of being wolf if Quin flips? Feels exceedingly tenuous to me, I don't think people are so willing to come out with a town read in a case like that.

I think the most likely worlds based on the thread behaviour I see are:

T/T
T/W

sizeable gulf

W/T
W/W

Or, in other words, I felt good about sloonei before, but I feel extra good about him because of the way he's handled Quin. And I don't plan to vote Quin today, because I would feel stupid if he flipped something where it was immediately apparent that sloonei was doing everything he could bar breaking the rules to tell us something obvious.

[Golden]

@Golden move your vote to DH. Let's make this a spicy boi

[VOTE: DH] aubergine

I fully intended to move it back, I just moved it away to take the heat of DH and let him get thoughts in the thread that weren't dominated by defending against me.

[DrWilgy]

@Golden move your vote to DH. Let's make this a spicy boi

[VOTE: DH] aubergine

I fully intended to move it back, I just moved it away to take the heat of DH and let him get thoughts in the thread that weren't dominated by defending against me.

O7

Good job soldier.

I'll probably save LoRab last second.

[DharmaHelper]

@Golden move your vote to DH. Let's make this a spicy boi

[VOTE: DH] aubergine

I fully intended to move it back, I just moved it away to take the heat of DH and let him get thoughts in the thread that weren't dominated by defending against me.

Stunning. Stellar job.

[thellama73]

Cranky Lorab feels like a frustrated civ to me, as does Golden's little tantrum earlier. I'm happy with my vote.

Do you have any off-the-radar suspects who we have not spent much tome talking about?

Only week ones. After Quin, the people I am most uneasy about are probably DH, sig, bea, and G-Man (undecided on Lorab but willing to give her a pass for today.) I'm reading everyone else as pretty civ, except for DFaraday who I have no read on, because he never posts.

[DharmaHelper]

Very funny to me that Golden can look at Dr Wilgy and say "Yeah this seems like a great person to vote with"

[DharmaHelper]

Cranky Lorab feels like a frustrated civ to me, as does Golden's little tantrum earlier. I'm happy with my vote.

Do you have any off-the-radar suspects who we have not spent much tome talking about?

Only week ones. After Quin, the people I am most uneasy about are probably DH, sig, bea, and G-Man (undecided on Lorab but willing to give her a pass for today.) I'm reading everyone else as pretty civ, except for DFaraday who I have no read on, because he never posts.

You should vote for me so that the mafia can make it completely obvious how bad they are all in the same day and then the rest of the town can clean up.

[thellama73]

@Golden move your vote to DH. Let's make this a spicy boi

[VOTE: DH] aubergine

I fully intended to move it back, I just moved it away to take the heat of DH and let him get thoughts in the thread that weren't dominated by defending against me.

O7

Good job soldier.

I'll probably save LoRab last second.

@Golden move your vote to DH. Let's make this a spicy boi

[VOTE: DH] aubergine

I fully intended to move it back, I just moved it away to take the heat of DH and let him get thoughts in the thread that weren't dominated by defending against me.

Stunning. Stellar job.

These posts are 50 seconds apart and say almost the same thing. It's possible DH saw Wilgy's post and responded in exactly the same way in mockery in a very short amount of time.

It's also possible that there is some parallel thinking going on that would be a bit

[DrWilgy]

Very funny to me that Golden can look at Dr Wilgy and say "Yeah this seems like a great person to vote with"

What can I say? I am a man of exceptional TASTE.

[DharmaHelper]

@Golden move your vote to DH. Let's make this a spicy boi

[VOTE: DH] aubergine

I fully intended to move it back, I just moved it away to take the heat of DH and let him get thoughts in the thread that weren't dominated by defending against me.

O7

Good job soldier.

I'll probably save LoRab last second.

@Golden move your vote to DH. Let's make this a spicy boi

[VOTE: DH] aubergine

I fully intended to move it back, I just moved it away to take the heat of DH and let him get thoughts in the thread that weren't dominated by defending against me.

Stunning. Stellar job.

These posts are 50 seconds apart and say almost the same thing. It's possible DH saw Wilgy's post and responded in exactly the same way in mockery in a very short amount of time.

It's also possible that there is some parallel thinking going on that would be a bit

And I thought not reading my posts was the most transparently fake reason for suspecting me

[Sloonei]

@thellama73 @LoRab @Vivax I read Quin as town and have spoken about it at length. I do not expect anyone who has not been persuaded by my argument thus far to have a sudden change of heart now.

But we do have an hour and change remaining. Rather than trying to convince any Quin voters to change their minds about him, I am instead interested in hearing if they have any other strong suspicions. I am still lacking clear suspects myself, so I would like to explore new options anyway.

LoRab, I understand your vote is self-preservation. Do you have any thoughts on the individual players that are voting for you?

[Golden]

I am uncertain what to do with LoRab. I agree that her frustrated outburst seems sincere. I am also wary that she is perhaps the easiest target for suspicion in this thread right now.

But I also cannot help but be underwhelmed by her play. And I vaguely recall her expressing similar frustration after being correctly identified as mafia one time several years ago.

I do not find LoRab's frustrated post to be alignment-indicative either.

That kind of post is a very traditional old-school pre-lynch post. We all made them as any alignment in the early days. I see LoRab's play primarily as a true representation of what it was like playing on STV and Rev Mafia.

[thellama73]

And I thought not reading my posts was the most transparently fake reason for suspecting me

Not reading your posts wasn't a reason I suspected you. It was just mental self-preservation.

[DFaraday]

LiRub es ramendeng ma if har ild buddea tina. Senca E huva nitheng alsa ti gi in ut thes tema E'll vita Lirub.

[Sloonei]

Cranky Lorab feels like a frustrated civ to me, as does Golden's little tantrum earlier. I'm happy with my vote.

Do you have any off-the-radar suspects who we have not spent much tome talking about?

Only week ones. After Quin, the people I am most uneasy about are probably DH, sig, bea, and G-Man (undecided on Lorab but willing to give her a pass for today.) I'm reading everyone else as pretty civ, except for DFaraday who I have no read on, because he never posts.

Can I get the bullet points of why you’re uneasy about all those folks?

[Golden]

Very funny to me that Golden can look at Dr Wilgy and say "Yeah this seems like a great person to vote with"

You just continue to make up narratives that aren't there.

[DharmaHelper]

And I thought not reading my posts was the most transparently fake reason for suspecting me

Not reading your posts wasn't a reason I suspected you. It was just mental self-preservation.

No that's just everyone else.

[DharmaHelper]

Very funny to me that Golden can look at Dr Wilgy and say "Yeah this seems like a great person to vote with"

You just continue to make up narratives that aren't there.

This man's irony detector is broken, I see.

[bea]

Lirub's bahuveir diasn't faal buddea drevan ti ma yat. Thiogh my aya es in har us moch us hars es in ma. En ganarul e huva mira cev faals thun unytheng bot tha paipla raudeng nincev ura faaleng noll. E hipa thut mukas sima sirt if sansa. Thes es ull raully hurd ti di in my phina.

[Elohcin]

You know what I love--players telling me how I should play the game. Seriously. It's my favorite. Almost as much as when people say that civvies deserved to be lynched.

I wish I were bad--I find being bad much easier, but here we are. I'm civ. I wish I were able to help the civvies win.

If I'm lynched, go after Kate and Bea next. Scotty isn't making me feel great. Llama may also be a baddie--I keep going back and forth on him. And Dr Wilgy needs to stop licking people and hiding behind his goofiness--it is making me increasingly suspect him.

I think we are just asking you to actually play, not tell you how to play.

Thank you for at least giving us some reads even if there isn't a lot of explanation with them. I find myself thinking the exact opposite of all the players you mention.

[Golden]

Lirub's bahuveir diasn't faal buddea drevan ti ma yat. Thiogh my aya es in har us moch us hars es in ma. En ganarul e huva mira cev faals thun unytheng bot tha paipla raudeng nincev ura faaleng noll. E hipa thut mukas sima sirt if sansa. Thes es ull raully hurd ti di in my phina.

Who are your noll reads?

[Sloonei]

Golden the Coward the Never-Ending Attempt to Spell "Null"

[DharmaHelper]

Very funny to me that Golden can look at Dr Wilgy and say "Yeah this seems like a great person to vote with"

You just continue to make up narratives that aren't there.

This man's irony detector is broken, I see.

Doc (objously meme-ing and not caring about the game or contributing( - "Golden, vote with me, lmao"

Golden - "Yeah okay."

Me - "Insane and incredibly suspect that Golden thinks any vote with Doc attached to it is a good idea"

Golden "Why would you say I'm voting with Doc that is made up."